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Photo: Morris Refrigerator Car 7174

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Morris Refrigerator Car 7174

A 1909 photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/transport/id/2565/rec/737

This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit.

My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Photo: Erie Low Side Hopper (Gondola?) With Damaged Floor

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Erie Low Side Hopper (Gondola?) With Damaged Floor

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/transport/id/2463/rec/138

This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit to show the floor detail and mechanism for dumping a load.

My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Accurail DL&W 40 Foot DD Box Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Ken Adams wrote:
"Accurail has announced this. As I am a sucker for double door 40 foot box cars and know little about what is accurate for eastern railroads, I am asking if this is too much a foobie or incorrect lettering even for background through load/empty traffic on my SP Cal-P (Oakland to Sacramento) mainline in the early 1950's. Obviously the reweigh date would have to be changed even if the build date is accurate. By 1950 I would assume it would need the AUTOMOBILE service branding removed as it would be downgraded to general merchandise carriage. Is the sill close to accurate, it looks too modern? Is this really a DL&W car? Is the number an build date accurate? I am unfamiliar with this casting by Accurail so if anyone knows the roof and other history of this DD boxcar, maybe you could give me a general overview."



So even if you have no knowledge of this prototype, a couple things should jump out at you.  The 1936 built and reweigh dates are at odds with the base model, which is a postwar automobile boxcar with diagonal panel roof and late improved Dreadnaught ends.  The Accurail website has photos of their models - just click around until you find the desired view:

The prototypes are automobile boxcars rebuilt from USRA DS boxcars.  Yarmouth Model Works offers resin models of these cars.


Ben Hom


Re: Accurail DL&W 40 Foot DD Box Car

Todd Sullivan
 

Ken -

My January 1952 ORER shows DL&W series 11300-11599 as 40'-7" IL double door boxcars with 12'-6" wide door openings, AAR mech designation XMR (auto racks installed).  This is the same number series that Yarmouth Models' new kit for a DL&W rebuilt 40' DD auto boxcar portrays. 

I believe that the Accurail kit depicts a GN series of DD cars that were built new or rebuilds in the mid-1950s and used extensively in lumber and plywood loading.  Someone with a a better memory and/or who knows GN equipment better is welcome to comment and correct me.

Todd Sullivan  


Re: Accurail DL&W 40 Foot DD Box Car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I, too, am disappointed to report that this car number is not listed in my April 1950 ORER.  Accurail did pick a number in a non-existent series of cars.  As you note, the car looks fairly modern and I suppose, but doubt, that the DL&W could have acquired such cars subsequent to 4/50.  Perhaps someone with a slightly later ORER could confirm or deny that happened.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail DL&W 40 Foot DD Box Car

 

Accurail has announced this. As I am a sucker for double door 40 foot box cars and know little about what is accurate for eastern railroads, I am asking if this is too much a foobie or incorrect lettering even for background through load/empty traffic on my SP Cal-P (Oakland to Sacramento) mainline in the early 1950's. Obviously the reweigh date would have to be changed even if the build date is accurate. By 1950 I would assume it would need the AUTOMOBILE service branding removed as it would be downgraded to general merchandise carriage. Is the sill close to accurate, it looks too modern? Is this really a DL&W car? Is the number an build date accurate? I am unfamiliar with this casting by Accurail so if anyone knows the roof and other history of this DD boxcar, maybe you could give me a general overview.



I would also do a little work to bring the car up to reasonable standards 

--
Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Wanted Data sheet and assembly instructions for Sunshine Kit #2.1 C&NW rebuilt boxcar

Jim Hayes
 

Here you  are.

   Jim


Accurail DL&W 40 Foot DD Box Car

Ken Adams
 

Accurail has announced this. As I am a sucker for double door 40 foot box cars and know little about what is accurate for eastern railroads, I am asking if this is too much a foobie or incorrect lettering even for background through load/empty traffic on my SP Cal-P (Oakland to Sacramento) mainline in the early 1950's. Obviously the reweigh date would have to be changed even if the build date is accurate. By 1950 I would assume it would need the AUTOMOBILE service branding removed as it would be downgraded to general merchandise carriage. Is the sill close to accurate, it looks too modern? Is this really a DL&W car? Is the number an build date accurate? I am unfamiliar with this casting by Accurail so if anyone knows the roof and other history of this DD boxcar, maybe you could give me a general overview.



I would also do a little work to bring the car up to reasonable standards 

--
Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Wanted Data sheet and assembly instructions for Sunshine Kit #2.1 C&NW rebuilt boxcar

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

I purchased a kit without a data sheet or instructions.  The Sunshine Models kit #2.1 is for a C&NW 65000 series, steel side rebuild USRA DS boxcar.  Does anyone have this information who is willing to share it with me?  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Ian Cranstone
 

On May 20, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@janszmedia.nl> wrote:

Guys,

WP purchased 210 tank cars in 1912 (60,10k cap)), 1913 (100, 10k cap)) and 1929 (50, 12,5k cap)).
After WW II, most of these were used in bilge water, diesel fuel, water, sand and other company services.
By 1950 these 210 cars were out of the ORER.
Most of them in MW/company service, many scrapped due to age.
There were no 215 WP tank cars.
Certainly not in 1955.
Fred, the attached entry from the 1955 Tank Car Capacities tariff clearly shows 215 cars in the WP listing.

Ian CranstoneOsgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net


Re: need help finding a photo

Mont Switzer
 

Schuyler,

They look like 1959 Cadillac's which would date the photo late 1958 or the first half of 1959.  

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Mont Switzer [MSwitzer@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:44 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

I'm not sure what the notches in the sides of the converted gondola were for, but they were not for releasing the fifth pin from the car mounted hitch.  The fifth pin would have been released by a man crawling under the front of the trailer.  He more than likely lowered the trailer hitch at that time with an air operated wrench.  Note what appears to be an air line hanging at the ready at the ramp.

This is a guess, but I would think the side "notches" were for access to the load binders.  There wasn't a lot of room to work with the steel structure in place.  Some piggyback ramps even had platforms down the sides to make this work easier.  Remember, a chain binder requires a 4 ft. pipe ("cheater") to get the necessary leverage to pull a chain binder down tight, and those that gon side structure pretty well killed that idea.

Now, with the "automatic" trailer hitch that you see in the photo there is no real need for chains and binders.  The hitch did it all.  My guess (again) is the cars were originally modified for use with chain binders and were ultimately upgraded with floor mounted hitches.

A good number of railroads got into piggy-back service around 1954.  Not wanting to invest heavily in this new concept many railroads converted what they had to haul the trailers, usually flat cars.  Several railroads used gons either because us feared side movement of the trailers or they were using what they had.   

When trailers had to be "tied down" with stands, chains and binders, it took about 2 man hours to secure one.  With the advent of the "automatic" trailer hitch widely in use by 1960, a trailer could be secured for movement in about 15 minutes.  

One thing I don't have to guess about is modeling this stuff.  I've modeled the old jacks, chains and binders and they hold the trailer onto the car very well, but this takes a lot of time and the trailer and flat car are married permanently.  The car mounted trailer hitches are easier to model and allow the trailers to be unloaded in hidden staging with your 0-5-0.

Mont Switzer


  
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of BRIAN PAUL EHNI [bpehni@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

Rock Island did the same thing, only with Cadillacs and re-purposed WE gons.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer

Attachments:


Re: EARLY PLASTIC KITS

Clark Propst
 

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 02:09 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
That was the first and last time that I took a model to an event.
Do you mean because of the damage is transit? Or, because of the negative comments?
CW Propst


Re: WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Clark Propst
 

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:48 AM, Bob Chapman wrote:
The technique was developed by the late Greg Martin

I thought so. I've used it too on PS1 cars just like in the article Greg did using a ATSF car.
Thanks!
CW Propst


Re: need help finding a photo

Mont Switzer
 

I'm not sure what the notches in the sides of the converted gondola were for, but they were not for releasing the fifth pin from the car mounted hitch.  The fifth pin would have been released by a man crawling under the front of the trailer.  He more than likely lowered the trailer hitch at that time with an air operated wrench.  Note what appears to be an air line hanging at the ready at the ramp.

This is a guess, but I would think the side "notches" were for access to the load binders.  There wasn't a lot of room to work with the steel structure in place.  Some piggyback ramps even had platforms down the sides to make this work easier.  Remember, a chain binder requires a 4 ft. pipe ("cheater") to get the necessary leverage to pull a chain binder down tight, and those that gon side structure pretty well killed that idea.

Now, with the "automatic" trailer hitch that you see in the photo there is no real need for chains and binders.  The hitch did it all.  My guess (again) is the cars were originally modified for use with chain binders and were ultimately upgraded with floor mounted hitches.

A good number of railroads got into piggy-back service around 1954.  Not wanting to invest heavily in this new concept many railroads converted what they had to haul the trailers, usually flat cars.  Several railroads used gons either because us feared side movement of the trailers or they were using what they had.   

When trailers had to be "tied down" with stands, chains and binders, it took about 2 man hours to secure one.  With the advent of the "automatic" trailer hitch widely in use by 1960, a trailer could be secured for movement in about 15 minutes.  

One thing I don't have to guess about is modeling this stuff.  I've modeled the old jacks, chains and binders and they hold the trailer onto the car very well, but this takes a lot of time and the trailer and flat car are married permanently.  The car mounted trailer hitches are easier to model and allow the trailers to be unloaded in hidden staging with your 0-5-0.

Mont Switzer


  
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of BRIAN PAUL EHNI [bpehni@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

Rock Island did the same thing, only with Cadillacs and re-purposed WE gons.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer

Attachments:


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Fred and friends,

Interesting observation. This gives us a one-year window for when WP tank cars were reclassified to MW service. It would be interesting to figure out approximately when the change took place. If I still lived on the Left Coast or had occasion to visit there, I could check the ORER issues in the CSRM library, as they have/had a nearly complete run from that time period in their reading room.

I've never figured out where the WP got their bunker-C fuel oil, but AFAIK they didn't serve any refineries directly, thus the need for the tank cars to be classed as revenue equipment for interchange purposes. Likely their cars went to a refinery in the Bay area on the ATSF or SP. Salt Lake City is unlikely, since the WP was coal-fired east of Winnemucca. Perhaps with the switch to diesels nearly complete by 1950, and the few remaining steam locomotives running on borrowed time or only fired up for the fall rush season, there was no longer any need to send their tank cars off-line. The entire system was completely diesel east of Oroville in 1950.  According to Dunscomb, in 1951 diesels handled 87.4% of freight train miles, 99.7% of passenger miles, and 82.5% of all yard switching hours. The last regular movement by steam was in June 1953 when mikado 329 ran between Oroville and Stockton.

Of course, as was typical of the WP, even though the tank cars were no longer in interchange service, many were not relettered. I still was seeing some of the 12K tanks in original lettering shortly before I left California on New Years Day 1982, though most had "MW 0" added before their car numbers.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 3:11 PM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:
Garth,
my July 1950 ORER doesn't list any WP tank cars.
Suppose they were all in company service by then.
best regards,
Fred Jansz


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Fred Jansz
 

Guys,

WP purchased 210 tank cars in 1912 (60,10k cap)), 1913 (100, 10k cap)) and 1929 (50, 12,5k cap)).
After WW II, most of these were used in bilge water, diesel fuel, water, sand and other company services.
By 1950 these 210 cars were out of the ORER.
Most of them in MW/company service, many scrapped due to age.
There were no 215 WP tank cars.
Certainly not in 1955.

best,
Fred Jansz


Re: need help finding a photo

 

It was to reach the trailer hitch disconnect. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On May 19, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Interesting surgical modifications to the car sides there.  Was that to clear the tires on the trailer?

 

I wonder how much that derated the carrying capacity of the gon.  Do you have a date on the photo?  I don’t know my Cadillacs well enough to date the shot.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Rock Island did the same thing, only with Cadillacs and re-purposed WE gons.

 

 

Thanks!
--

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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

<image002.jpg>

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: need help finding a photo

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Interesting surgical modifications to the car sides there.  Was that to clear the tires on the trailer?

 

I wonder how much that derated the carrying capacity of the gon.  Do you have a date on the photo?  I don’t know my Cadillacs well enough to date the shot.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Rock Island did the same thing, only with Cadillacs and re-purposed WE gons.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: need help finding a photo

 

Rock Island did the same thing, only with Cadillacs and re-purposed WE gons.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

Nelson Moyer
 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


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-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Ian Cranstone
 

Tony is quite correct in noting that "overlooks" was probably a poor choice of words on my part...

Railroads reported what they were required to report to the two tariffs, and in some cases chose to report things that they were not required to – and could differ.

For example, Canadian National and Canadian Pacific chose not to report their tank cars to either tariff after mid-1932 (one historian assumed that they had sold their cars at that time to the newly-formed Canadian General Transit, but I have never found any evidence to support that contention – I believe that there was an agreement between the railways and CGTX that the latter would be the source of cars for non-railway shippers).

I remember seeing a note in this thread that WP did not list their tank cars in the 1950 ORER, however, did list 215 cars in the 1955 TCC, and I expect that they were not the only ones to choose to list in one tariff and not the other.  I assume there was some reason for this choice, but would only be guessing.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2020-05-19 22:39, Tony Thompson wrote:

Ian Cranstone wrote:

The list gives one an idea as to just how large the lease fleets (UTLX, GATX, SHPX, NATX, and for Canada, CGTX and TCLX). The ORER has always been a little shaky in tank car information, and frequently doesn't cover railroad-owned cars — mostly because railroad-owned cars were employed in the service of the railroad, and not generally available for other uses.  
 
    Remember, the ORER didn't seek out anything. Each car owner sent in a report, as often as they thought necessary (some would remain unchanged, with original date, for multiple issues). Whatever the owner sent in, is what was in the ORER. Ordinarily, these were cars in revenue service (the ORER had the status of a tariff document). You cannot expect company service cars to be in there -- unless, as some roads did, a particular railroad CHOSE to include them.

Even the Tank Car Capacities tariff (TCC) overlooks a number of railroad-owned cars — for example, both Canadian National and Canadian Pacific owned a number of tank cars for company use, and none of them were listed in either the ORER or TCC.
       Again, the TCC is a tariff to facilitate charges for car movement. It has nothing to do with cars not in revenue service, and the TCC can hardly be said to "overlook" anything.
        I am sure Ian knows all this, and speaks of these two documents as we modelers see them and their "deficiencies." But let's make sure we remember what those documents WERE.

Tony Thompson
 

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