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Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Corey Bonsall wrote:

>The Monarch branch had 300
of the offset 70000 series gondolas renumbered to the 80000 series in 1956 for the standard gauge conversion, and had the "Monarch rock service only" stenciled on them.  I imagine the 40 yr rule had them gone in 1962 though....

Corey,

There was no such thing as a "40-Year Rule" in 1962 (it was phased in starting in 1973), and it would only apply to cars used in interchange.  Cars in dedicated on-line service would not be affected.

Now I could point out that the CF&I mill at Minnequa was served by its own switching railroad, the Colorado & Wyoming, but two railroads could (and still can) agree to interchange equipment that was otherwise banned from _unrestricted_ interchange.


Scott Chatfield

Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 

Corey -- I am obviously blind, the photos show that. Duh. 

Mark Hemphill

bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

David
 

The only photo I've seen of the Interstate gons is in Ed Wolfe's first book on the Interstate.

https://imgur.com/Tylqzp9

David Thompson

Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Corey Bonsall
 

Mark,

The Monarch branch had 300 of the offset 70000 series gondolas renumbered to the 80000 series in 1956 for the standard gauge conversion, and had the "Monarch rock service only" stenciled on them.  I imagine the 40 yr rule had them gone in 1962 though, replaced by the suddenly-obsolete-in-coal-service 72k GS gons of 1953-54 built date.

Also, the D&RGW 43000 series 40ft cars are very similar to the USRA pattern GS gons, which are basically the UCR cars.  If I can figure out how to get Inkscape & my Ghost white toner to work, those UCR GS gons are on my short list.

I'm an engineer, I enjoy making the decisions difficult...

Re: Floor Of A Gondola

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
"Another photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:
https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A200907.1930.05135/viewer 

Caption: "View of the floor of Pennsylvania Railroad Gondola 751817 at South Brownsville Yards."

PRR 751817 is a Class G25 gondola from PRR 751330 - 751829.


Ben Hom

Floor Of A Gondola

Bob Chaparro
 

Another photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A200907.1930.05135/viewer

Caption: "View of the floor of Pennsylvania Railroad Gondola 751817 at South Brownsville Yards."

Looks as though extra floor planking has been added to the end portion of the car. Notice the upright stake on the far left.

The floor looks fairly clean for a gondola.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 

Shay I've had a photo of your UCR "kitbash" on my hard drive for 13+ years - one of the more
amazing kitbashes I've ever seen !

Tim O'Connor

On 2/11/2019 1:25 PM, SHAY STARK wrote:
I have attached a picture of a UCR GS gondola that I kit bashed out of the Details Associates Composite GS gondola many years ago. I built two that I shortened the doors in the kit and used them and then I built this one which I just used a styrene floor in place of the doors. You cannot tell the difference when it is on the track and it cut a couple hour out of the construction. The decals were a combination of Champ and Walthers. I have about four of five others started along with the similar 36 foot D&RGW GS Gondola and will complete them the same way without the doors. I will also put together artwork for accurate decals. I have just been waiting to get over to the Loveland area to get a few measurements off the last remaining car that I am aware of so that I can get some of the details a little more accurate. they are really neat cars.

What many people don't realize is that Utah Railway had another batch of all steel GS gondolas that were constructed by Ralston several years prior to these cars. They had straight sides with a very different operating mechanism for the doors. My understanding is that there were not doors over the trucks and so the ends of the car would have to be hand shoveled. Once the new cars came the old cars seem to have been quickly removed from service as pictures of them are very hard to come by after the mid 20's. One car was painted white and was used to advertise clean Utah coal. There are pictures of the "ghost" gondola in coal yards in California and Washington in some of the early trade magazines.

Shay Stark
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Shay,

Nice model. Your photo shows the big difference from the Ulrich/Walthers UCR model--the sides curve inward just above the winding mechanism. On the U/W car they are straight, so my car would just be a stand-in. I always planned to repaint it anyway.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 2/11/19 1:25 PM, SHAY STARK wrote:
I have attached a picture of a UCR GS gondola that I kit bashed out of the Details Associates Composite GS gondola many years ago. I built two that I shortened the doors in the kit and used them and then I built this one which I just used a styrene floor in place of the doors. You cannot tell the difference when it is on the track and it cut a couple hour out of the construction. The decals were a combination of Champ and Walthers. I have about four of five others started along with the similar 36 foot D&RGW GS Gondola and will complete them the same way without the doors. I will also put together artwork for accurate decals. I have just been waiting to get over to the Loveland area to get a few measurements off the last remaining car that I am aware of so that I can get some of the details a little more accurate. they are really neat cars.

What many people don't realize is that Utah Railway had another batch of all steel GS gondolas that were constructed by Ralston several years prior to these cars. They had straight sides with a very different operating mechanism for the doors. My understanding is that there were not doors over the trucks and so the ends of the car would have to be hand shoveled. Once the new cars came the old cars seem to have been quickly removed from service as pictures of them are very hard to come by after the mid 20's. One car was painted white and was used to advertise clean Utah coal. There are pictures of the "ghost" gondola in coal yards in California and Washington in some of the early trade magazines.

Shay Stark

Re: UCR bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

SHAY STARK
 

There is a picture of UCR 21098 floating around the internet taken by a J. Parker in Toronto sometime in the 1950's. I have been told anecdotally that a UCR car kicked around the MSTL for over a year going back and forth between the mines and customers in Iowa. Those are two instances I am aware of where UCR cars are known traveling east of Denver. I am sure it happened more often that that but it certainly was not common.

Re: UCR bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 

Allen:  I've seen photos of UCR gons on UP in Wyoming, well east of Evanston.  I've not seen any photos of UCR gons on D&RGW anywhere east of Utah Railway Junction, Utah.  Could they have gone east? Sure.  But apparently not very often, because no photos yet show them.

Mark Hemphill

Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 

That's really cool, Shay.  

Mark Hemphill

Re: Special HO built kits w/ special prices

Dave Bayless
 

Hi Andy,

Is # 1, 2, 3, 4, 7 or 8 still available? Might be interested is a few.

Thanks, Dave Bayless davebayl@...

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 2:03 PM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Special HO built kits w/ special prices

 

Hello-

I have nine cars which were partially or totally built kits from a recently deceased friend. His quality was very good. Priced to reflect the non-original unbuilt kit condition. Shipping of $4 and up will be added to the purchase prices. The original boxes are in good near-mint shape.

 

 

 

1) Intermountain 450505-06 WFE steel sided ice bunker reefer WFE 68198 Early lettering scheme "NEW 4-41" Car has had the underframe built with air hoses and brake gear. No trucks $10

2) Same, #-07; WFE 68215. Underframe as #1, attached to car body roof and details remain undone.  No trucks $10

3) Same, #-02; WFE 68036. Mostly finished, needs roof attached and last two hatches attached. Has stick-on weights and Kadee couplers installed. No trucks $10

4) Same as 3), #-03; WFE 68073. Needs roof attached, corner roof grab irons and last two hatches attached. No trucks $10

5) IMWX HOBNH096 '37 AAR New Haven box car. NH 30096 blt 9-41 w/ scriptive full spelled out name. Nearly fully  Built and new 7-47. Kadee couplers, sprung trucks, aftermarket weathered wood deck. Built, needs roof attached and one broken corner sill step replaced. Has laser cut wood floor and stick-on weights applied to the interior. Has Kadee couplers. No trucks  $10

6) Proto 2000 #21043; NYC Greenville 52' gondola. Assembled from kit. NYC 712507 Has weathered after market wood floor attached with heavy weight conceled under it.  Has spring-plankless sprung trucks $14

7) Front Range #4091; GN #13278 combo door 40' riveted box car. GN Vermilion Red w/ E.B. style of spelled slant serif "Great Northern". Sprung trucks and Kadee couplers. Weighted. $14

8) Same as 7) GN #13275.   One Kadee coupler has popped loose.  Has weathered after market wood floor installed interior between door openings. Sprung trucks $15

9) Walthers #932-2156; Assembled GN 6 panel single sheathed wood box car with wood ends. (Fooby) Sprung arch bar trucks and Kadee couplers.  $7

 

I accept checks and money orders. with a small fee I accept PayPal contact me off-list for details.<midcentury@...>

Thanks,

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

SHAY STARK
 

I have attached a picture of a UCR GS gondola that I kit bashed out of the Details Associates Composite GS gondola many years ago. I built two that I shortened the doors in the kit and used them and then I built this one which I just used a styrene floor in place of the doors. You cannot tell the difference when it is on the track and it cut a couple hour out of the construction. The decals were a combination of Champ and Walthers. I have about four of five others started along with the similar 36 foot D&RGW GS Gondola and will complete them the same way without the doors. I will also put together artwork for accurate decals. I have just been waiting to get over to the Loveland area to get a few measurements off the last remaining car that I am aware of so that I can get some of the details a little more accurate. they are really neat cars.

What many people don't realize is that Utah Railway had another batch of all steel GS gondolas that were constructed by Ralston several years prior to these cars. They had straight sides with a very different operating mechanism for the doors. My understanding is that there were not doors over the trucks and so the ends of the car would have to be hand shoveled. Once the new cars came the old cars seem to have been quickly removed from service as pictures of them are very hard to come by after the mid 20's. One car was painted white and was used to advertise clean Utah coal. There are pictures of the "ghost" gondola in coal yards in California and Washington in some of the early trade magazines.

Shay Stark

Also 

Re: Upgrading a coal gondola

Bill Welch
 

For those interested in doing this model, I believe the Accurail AAR 40-foot gon's Dreadnaught ends will work with the IM kit.

Bill Welch

Upgrading a coal gondola

Eric Hansmann
 

John Golden shares his model work on the Resin Car Works blog. He changes out a few kit details in upgrading a coal gondola to reflect a C&IM prototype.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/building-a-chicago-illinois-midland-usra-type-coal-gondola/



Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Alan,

The only UCR GS gondola "model" I've ever seen was the old Ulrich/Walthers die cast thingie, which is a pretty close match for an SP G-9 through G-12. I've got one sitting a few feet away, waiting to be stripped and painted SP. I am pretty sure that the UCR GS gondolas were of a different design.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/10/19 5:27 PM, Allen Rueter via Groups.Io wrote:
In Oct '47 a fair number GS gons were headed north on the Inside Gateway (Oregon Trunk) at Bieber

44 ATSF XMR 10800 10999
45 DRGW GS 45000 45499
46 ATSF XMR 64200 64699
49 ATSF XAR 9000 9199
49 DRGW GS 71000 71999
56 UCR GS 20000 21999
58 DRGW GS 70000 70699
60 ATSF XMR 9200 9455
98 DRGW GS 40000 42500
532 GN FM 69500 69999

has any one done a UCR GS?

-- Allen Rueter StLouis MO


On Sunday, February 10, 2019, 3:04:40 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I have attached my only shot of one of the 36 foot GS gondolas which lasted in service until 1959,
if not later! (Just over 100 were still in service in 1955, a decline from the almost 700 cars in 1950.)

The photo is from Barstow, in the 1940's.

Tim O'Connor




On 2/10/2019 11:48 AM, Corey Bonsall wrote:
Maybe it's time I step out of the shadows to explain some of what I've been doing with these 3D printed cars...

Let's start with some history, most of which I have gleaned from Jim Eager's article in the second quarter 2002 issue of The Prospector (Rio Grande Modeling & Historical Society, Volume 1, Number 2):

Overall, ten series of steel GS gondolas, built between 1908 and 1954, totaling 8,251 cars.

(All lengths are interior)

They started with 2501 of the 36 ft cars (40000-42500) in 1908-09, followed by 350 of the 40 ft cars (43000-43349) in 1912-13.  The big "offset" cars of 46 ft length (700 total in the 70000-70699 series) showed up in 1922, with 500 of the shorter offset 42 ft (45000-45499) cousins in 1926.  

I think Mark Hemphill (Thanks, Mark!) has me beat on the details of the rest of the fleet already in another thread that just showed up in my email...

Those are the cars I have designed and printed to this point, since I really wanted a fleet of D&RGW GS gondolas, but other than the brass W&R cars, and the somewhat close Red Caboose class of 42ft 46k series cars, there wasn't anything close.  As the time spent drafting up the cars is one of the larger investments I have, I started with what I wanted (cast grabs, for durability, and for large fleet expediency), and am working through adding a "blank" option for all of the cars for those who want the option to drill and form their own grab irons, and spend more time on the brakes.

The cars are all printed on a Form 2 printer, using their standard black resin (methyl-acrylic-something-something), but in response to Bill's question, it does NOT carve like styrene.  It can be sanded, or filed, but using a knife-edge makes it crack. Some of the dimensions I have to compromise, due to the limitations of the printer, but I think the overall result has easily passed my normal "Two Foot Rule" I use in my modeling.

Some of my finished cars should be visible in the album links below:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2190102484587585&type=1&l=14b0223f99

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1923391824591987&type=1&l=2cd9241278

I have not attempted resin casting, as there are a lot of overhanging details that I felt would not release from the molds, and I wasn't quite ready to jump into a second new avenue for myself.  I am doing this as a side hobby from my normal day job, so the progress can seem eternally slow.

I am grateful for the support I've received on this endeavor, and I hope to continue working through the many related possibilities in under-represented models as time allows.

Corey Bonsall
Bonsall Scale Carshops


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Truck Journal Conversions

Randy Hees
 

It would likely depend on how it was done... In general, there was a new cast part to replace the wedge, which was designed to bear on the 'sjournal box and on the bearing.  Conversions on passengers cars replaced the journal box, which rode in the pedestal with a the roller bearing and a carrier casting on top...   It is not possible to replace the journal box in a cast side frame freight truck, so the roller bearing sits inside the journal box of the cast truck...  I remember seeing a lot of cast side frame freight trucks with a roller bearing inside in the 1970's (and the journal box cover removed... )

Randy Hees

Re: UCR bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Allen Rueter
 

Mark, 
Hard to say if UCR gons went east.

- allen rueter




On Sunday, February 10, 2019, 16:37, Mark Hemphill via Groups.Io <markwmhemphill@...> wrote:

Ron, thanks a million for the good start on MoPac.  Is there a MoPac freight guide anywhere, like was done for the Rio Grande by Jim Eager?

Allen -- I'm not aware of any UCR GS gons. If there were, I'd seriously consider chucking 1965 Tennessee Pass, for 1945 Soldier Summit. Fewer trees to build, that's for sure!  Also, those car counts from October 1947 are fascinating.  

Mark Hemphill

Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Brent Greer
 

I've not heard of this series of Interstate gons, but would like to hear more.  Can you share or point me to some photos of these? 

Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 7:21:53 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas
 
> It is a very unusual 36 foot gondola in the DRGW fleet.

36 feet is an uncommon length for a GS gon (most were 40 feet and up),
but the DRGW car is very similar to the Interstate 10000-10199 series:
cut off the extensions and rework the ends for a single horizontal
pressed rib.

David Thompson



bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

David
 

It is a very unusual 36 foot gondola in the DRGW fleet.
36 feet is an uncommon length for a GS gon (most were 40 feet and up), but the DRGW car is very similar to the Interstate 10000-10199 series: cut off the extensions and rework the ends for a single horizontal pressed rib.

David Thompson