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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ID of hoppers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Ben! I had been looking for more shots of this car, and wow.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ID of hoppers

Elden Gatwood wrote:

"I found another better one of the same wreck:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A200907.1944.09092/from_search/ca8e58282d44cbd9569f726020dc8d50-69
Can you read the lot number from this?"

Fell victim to an assumption that I give others a hard time about making - that all 7-side post hoppers are USRA twins. This car is from Lot 665-H, P&LE 38500-39499, 1000 cars rebuilt in 1937-1938 from 30 ft IL side dump hoppers in Lots 340-H and 349-H.


Ben Hom

nice shot of B&O USRA O-27's pivoting brake stand!

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3AMSP80.B001.F04.I13/from_search/ca8e58282d44cbd9569f726020dc8d50-389

Finally, a good photo of the short-lived pivoting brake stand on B&O's version of the USRA gon.

Elden Gatwood

Re: Throwback Thursday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars II

mopacfirst
 

I know why I didn't see that thing before - the tags aren't set up for filtering.  I knew that from previous exploration, should have looked further.

Ron Merrick

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] What cars can you ID in this one?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Roger;

Absolutely! I looked at a photo recently taken around the turn of the previous century that had a large group of RR workers having their photo taken. It was so clear you could see that many were missing fingers!

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] What cars can you ID in this one?

Sorry, but I can't ID it. But don't you just love these old B&W photos? Such depth and detail!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, February 7, 2019, 10:51:27 AM CST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


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There's a PRR X26 and GRA in front....what is that ACL car? Can you ID any others?


Site: Pittsburgh's Southside downstream of the Liberty Bridge and PRR's Panhandle bridge with Monon tower in the wye...


Elden Gatwood

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ID of hoppers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Todd!

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I should have added that Lot 665-H are P&LE cars in series 38500-39499, and that acceptable models are by Accurail and Tichy.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ID of hoppers

Benjamin Hom
 

Elden Gatwood wrote:
"I found another better one of the same wreck:

Fell victim to an assumption that I give others a hard time about making - that all 7-side post hoppers are USRA twins.  This car is from Lot 665-H, P&LE 38500-39499, 1000 cars rebuilt in 1937-1938 from 30 ft IL side dump hoppers in Lots 340-H and 349-H.


Ben Hom

Re: What cars can you ID in this one?

Roger Huber
 

Sorry, but I can't ID it. But don't you just love these old B&W photos? Such depth and detail!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, February 7, 2019, 10:51:27 AM CST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:



There's a PRR X26 and GRA in front....what is that ACL car?  Can you ID any others?

Site:  Pittsburgh's Southside downstream of the Liberty Bridge and PRR's Panhandle bridge with Monon tower in the wye...

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ID of hoppers

Todd Sullivan
 

I should have added that Lot 665-H are P&LE cars in series 38500-39499, and that acceptable models are by Accurail and Tichy.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ID of hoppers

Todd Sullivan
 

Lot 665-H.  You probably can find it in the CASO website pages that Ben usually references when it comes to questions about NYC system freight cars.  Try this link ... http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm .

Todd Sullivan

What cars can you ID in this one?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.5798.RR/from_search/ca8e58282d44cbd9569f726020dc8d50-149

There's a PRR X26 and GRA in front....what is that ACL car? Can you ID any others?

Site: Pittsburgh's Southside downstream of the Liberty Bridge and PRR's Panhandle bridge with Monon tower in the wye...

Elden Gatwood

can you ID these cars?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I love this photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.261175.CP

This factory was abandoned but still standing in my youth, and we used to go explore it and come back home black with filth. What was it? Check out the xxx Garage truck above the NYC auto box! Whose tank car is this? Is that DV tower? Behind the bridge is ??? metals Corporation?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ID of hoppers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ben;

Thanks! I found another better one of the same wreck:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A200907.1944.09092/from_search/ca8e58282d44cbd9569f726020dc8d50-69

Can you read the lot number from this?

Thanks!

Elden

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] ID of hoppers

Elden Gatwood asked:
Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A200907.1944.09088
are these NYC or P&LE blister hoppers?

Yes; possible lots are 639-H, 640-H, 641-H, 645-H, 651-H, 655-H, or 674-H converted in 1936, 1937, and 1940. Note that these cars have the type of blister panels that include interlocking side posts vice the ones that reused the existing side posts. NYCS did convert twelve other cars in 1933 and 1935, but I'm not sure if they used these sides.


Ben Hom

Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars

G.J. Irwin
 

If I recall correctly, fellow N Scaler Claus' Approximate Time Period more closely aligns with the October 1919 ORER, which shows 290 cars in the Clinchfield (CC&O) series 2400 to 2699. 

I have the Stock Car Cyclopedia Claus mentioned-- I believe that I found it at an Ollie's (!) as part of their remainder book pile.  It has a large number of photos and some familiar names among the authors-- John Nehrich and Martin Lofton, for example.   I can't speak for the MDC model, but there are prototype photos for two other N Scale offerings-- the ancient Arnold/Rapido Iron Mountain stock car and the Micro-Trains 35000/035 series Despatch Stock Car, which is a New York Central rebuild as previously noted here and elsewhere.

George Irwin
"I still don't know what I don't know about freight cars"

Re: Throwback Thursday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars II

earlyrail
 

Re: Throwback Thursday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars II
From: mopacfirst
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 07:58:49 PST

I built one at the time, still have it.  Has nice Kemtron or somebody trucks.  One curious thing is that the Champ decals mostly curled up or separated from the car body,  only one I ever saw that happen to.  (I still have about fifty of my other freight cars from that era, with Kadee 5 couplers and only one color of boxcar red, but they're in a box.)

I assume it was inadequate surface prep.  I'm half tempted to strip this thing and repaint it, but the underframe is holding me back.  I know there are some 3D printed ones, but I can't find the source at the moment.

Ron Merrick



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Howard Garner

Re: Throwback Thursday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars II

mopacfirst
 

I built one at the time, still have it.  Has nice Kemtron or somebody trucks.  One curious thing is that the Champ decals mostly curled up or separated from the car body,  only one I ever saw that happen to.  (I still have about fifty of my other freight cars from that era, with Kadee 5 couplers and only one color of boxcar red, but they're in a box.)

I assume it was inadequate surface prep.  I'm half tempted to strip this thing and repaint it, but the underframe is holding me back.  I know there are some 3D printed ones, but I can't find the source at the moment.

Ron Merrick

Re: Throwback Thursday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars II

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Hile wrote:
"Interesting to note that a basic inflation calculator would project this $3.25 model to cost about $23.00 fifty years later."

Athearn hasn't re-released this model yet; however, they have re-released the Athearn tank cars under the Roundhouse name, with prices in the $26.98 - $29.98 range.  Granted, the paint and lettering quality is far beyond that offered by Irv in the late 60s - early 70s and they are assembled (minor point to most of us), but is in keeping with inflation.


Ben Hom

One more time

 

A friend, attempting to help me rid me of my old Facebook pages, unknowingly removed my new one.  However, Facebook now allows me to access my old one.   I have changed the opening pictures to match the defunct new one to avoid confusion.  Is that clear?  - Al Westerfield

 

Re: Military loads - some photos attached

gary laakso
 

Ike, please do load it again! 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Military loads - some photos attached

 

Admittedly, this is not much of a photo but it shows some interesting details..and it was taken under unusual circumstances.

 

It is a MAIN stopped in downtown Reidsville, NC by David Driscoll 2-26-43. The loads appear to be in gondolas rather than flat cars accompanied by armed guards.

 

David Driscoll’s family owned a furniture store in Reidsville. This photo appears to have been taken with David standing in the store doorway. Taking troop train photos in 1943 was not a good idea so his photo location was probably not random.

 

The entire David Driscoll negative and slide collection is in the SRHA archives at TVRM. It contains very early color slides of Southern steam and hundreds more on 616 and 620 B&W negatives.

 

The photo is from a clinic I did at the CCB RPM several years ago on MAINS to and from the Charleston POE. It was posted on Google Drive but I will upload it again if anyone would like a copy.

 

Ike

 

 

Re: Military loads - some photos attached

George Eichelberger
 

Admittedly, this is not much of a photo but it shows some interesting details..and it was taken under unusual circumstances.

It is a MAIN stopped in downtown Reidsville, NC by David Driscoll 2-26-43. The loads appear to be in gondolas rather than flat cars accompanied by armed guards.

David Driscoll’s family owned a furniture store in Reidsville. This photo appears to have been taken with David standing in the store doorway. Taking troop train photos in 1943 was not a good idea so his photo location was probably not random.

The entire David Driscoll negative and slide collection is in the SRHA archives at TVRM. It contains very early color slides of Southern steam and hundreds more on 616 and 620 B&W negatives.

The photo is from a clinic I did at the CCB RPM several years ago on MAINS to and from the Charleston POE. It was posted on Google Drive but I will upload it again if anyone would like a copy.

Ike


Re: ID of hoppers

Benjamin Hom
 

Elden Gatwood asked:
https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A200907.1944.09088 
are these NYC or P&LE blister hoppers?

Yes; possible lots are 639-H, 640-H, 641-H, 645-H, 651-H, 655-H, or 674-H converted in 1936, 1937, and 1940.  Note that these cars have the type of blister panels that include interlocking side posts vice the ones that reused the existing side posts.  NYCS did convert twelve other cars in 1933 and 1935, but I'm not sure if they used these sides.


Ben Hom