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Illinois Central Reefers was Re: Naperville

Bill Welch
 

My memory is that Sunshine did an IC steel reefer. Martin does sell decals and his PDS would be a source for paint scheme and photos.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

And I'd like to add Stan Rydarowicz as an emerging resin kit maker
Stan has kits for PFE, IC, FGE/WFE/BRE, and NP reefers, as well as
some kitbash kits. And many detail parts too.
I'd like to ask a question about Stan's Illinois Central reefers. I
tried to search the archives, but "IC" and "Reefer" get you every
entry with "ice" and few folks actually spell out Illinois Central ;^)

I picked up two IC kits, the series 50000-50229 and 50300-50499.
Stan indicated that these were built in 1938 and 1941 respectively.
My ORER indicates 229 and 200 cars respectively, reporting marks "IC".

Can anyone provide more information, and perhaps an indication of
where I might find some photos? The directions with the kits have no
prototype information and little to none on what accessories these
cars had. I'd also love to know what color to paint them ("yellow"?)
and if there are any decals currently available (Stan indicated that
Jim Singer might be releasing some).

BTW, these kits are resin sides and ends or just resin sides
(depending on the car) that fit an IM reefer "core" and are available
with or w/o fans (I went w/o)

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Give it time David, give it time. VBG
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "bnsd45" <bnsd45@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@> wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:
John refers to the text on the bottom of the box that gives a very
brief description of the product. It does say "drop-bottom". It's
obviously meant to say "drop-end".
Yes, so it does. One HOPES it's a typo <g>.
Yes, it is a typo that escaped me as well as a few on this list who were helping Tangent Scale Models!

I suppose it is a good thing you guys can only find defects in the writing on the bottom of the box?

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Illinois Central Reefers was Re: Naperville

Bruce Smith
 

On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

And I'd like to add Stan Rydarowicz as an emerging resin kit maker
Stan has kits for PFE, IC, FGE/WFE/BRE, and NP reefers, as well as
some kitbash kits. And many detail parts too.
I'd like to ask a question about Stan's Illinois Central reefers. I tried to search the archives, but "IC" and "Reefer" get you every entry with "ice" and few folks actually spell out Illinois Central ;^)

I picked up two IC kits, the series 50000-50229 and 50300-50499. Stan indicated that these were built in 1938 and 1941 respectively. My ORER indicates 229 and 200 cars respectively, reporting marks "IC".

Can anyone provide more information, and perhaps an indication of where I might find some photos? The directions with the kits have no prototype information and little to none on what accessories these cars had. I'd also love to know what color to paint them ("yellow"?) and if there are any decals currently available (Stan indicated that Jim Singer might be releasing some).

BTW, these kits are resin sides and ends or just resin sides (depending on the car) that fit an IM reefer "core" and are available with or w/o fans (I went w/o)

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Speedwitch SR Gon Kit

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Ted,



Attached is what I believe to be a Pullman Standard builder's photo of
Southern low side gondola 316400.



Allen Cain


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

bnsd45
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:
John refers to the text on the bottom of the box that gives a very
brief description of the product. It does say "drop-bottom". It's
obviously meant to say "drop-end".
Yes, so it does. One HOPES it's a typo <g>.
Yes, it is a typo that escaped me as well as a few on this list who were helping Tangent Scale Models!

I suppose it is a good thing you guys can only find defects in the writing on the bottom of the box?

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: Naperville

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
And I'd like to add Stan Rydarowicz as an emerging resin kit maker. Stan has kits for PFE, IC, FGE/WFE/BRE, and NP reefers, as well as some kitbash kits. And many detail parts too.
I was intrigued to see the list of Stan's kits, considerably more than I realized. To find his web pages, just Google his name (Tim has spelled it correctly above),

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
John refers to the text on the bottom of the box that gives a very brief description of the product. It does say "drop-bottom". It's obviously meant to say "drop-end".
Yes, so it does. One HOPES it's a typo <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Speedwitch SR Gon Kit

Tim O'Connor
 

If someone has a good photo of the car they could post, then
we could take a whack and try to guess what the closest model
trucks would be.

Tim O'Connor

The Southern diagram sheet for series 316250-316499 and 55000-55710
shows Scullen side frames, but the sheet for 55711-55960 says only "Cast
Truck". Photos show spring planks. I used Accurail "Bettendorf"
trucks, but I'm not a truck expert.

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: Naperville

Tim O'Connor
 

And I'd like to add Stan Rydarowicz as an emerging resin kit maker
Stan has kits for PFE, IC, FGE/WFE/BRE, and NP reefers, as well as
some kitbash kits. And many detail parts too.

Who knows, maybe someday we'll get Gene Fusco to do a HO steam era
car. That would be a game changer. (Gene's castings, and his kits,
are incredibly good.)

Tim O'Connor

At 11/2/2009 11:13 AM Monday, you wrote:
I would like to thank Gary & Denis and Jon Cagle for expanding the offerings available to those of us who enjoy building models in 1/87. Martin, Al, Steve, and Ted were/are never going to be able to do everything we all want, given the diversity of railroads we love and the lack of standard car building practices. My hat is off to all of them for being willing to do business in such a niche area where I am sure much of it is a labor of love.

Bill Welch


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony,

John refers to the text on the bottom of the box that gives a
very brief description of the product. It does say "drop-bottom".
It's obviously meant to say "drop-end".

Tim O'Connor

At 11/2/2009 11:49 PM Monday, you wrote:
My WABASH model Tangent box stock #10712-05 clearly states "...70 ton DROP BOTTOM gondola car..."

J. Greedy

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

John Greedy wrote:
I am totally confused with the various subclasses, welded, rivets,
reverse dreadnaught, obverse dreadnaught ends, 2 gussets or 7
gussets, wood floor, NSF, etc. because on close examination of the
Tangent box it is clearly stated that the all new model is a "DROP
BOTTOM" gondola!!!! [NOT] ProtoPolice, Hello?
What box are you looking at? It sure does not say that on the box
for the SP car.

Tony Thompson


Re: SLSF XM 18050

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thank you, Ed.
Gene

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Gene wrote:

Can anyone confirm that the whole series that included SLSF XM 18050
was equipped with Ajax hand brakes?
Gene,
According to the Frisco diagram for 18050-18549, all 500 cars had Ajax
hand brakes.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins




Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

sctry
 

My WABASH model Tangent box stock #10712-05 clearly states "...70 ton DROP BOTTOM gondola car..."

J. Greedy

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

John Greedy wrote:
I am totally confused with the various subclasses, welded, rivets,
reverse dreadnaught, obverse dreadnaught ends, 2 gussets or 7
gussets, wood floor, NSF, etc. because on close examination of the
Tangent box it is clearly stated that the all new model is a "DROP
BOTTOM" gondola!!!! [NOT] ProtoPolice, Hello?
What box are you looking at? It sure does not say that on the box
for the SP car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

John Greedy wrote:
I am totally confused with the various subclasses, welded, rivets, reverse dreadnaught, obverse dreadnaught ends, 2 gussets or 7 gussets, wood floor, NSF, etc. because on close examination of the Tangent box it is clearly stated that the all new model is a "DROP BOTTOM" gondola!!!! [NOT] ProtoPolice, Hello?
What box are you looking at? It sure does not say that on the box for the SP car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: End of Naperville.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I would be happy with the earlier date. Still have a kid, and Halloween is still important. I
might not attend if the economy still inhales as it has recently, because I like the Cocoa show a
lot.

SGL

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On Nov 2, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Jack Burgess wrote:

The meet is being taken over by Joe D'Elia of A-Line/Proto Power
West and
will continue at the same location, same format, etc.
And, at least for next year, 1 week earlier, 10/21-24/2010 as I
understood it.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

sctry
 

I am totally confused with the various subclasses, welded, rivets, reverse dreadnaught, obverse dreadnaught ends, 2 gussets or 7 gussets, wood floor, NSF, etc. because on close examination of the Tangent box it is clearly stated that the all new model is a "DROP BOTTOM" gondola!!!! [NOT] ProtoPolice, Hello?

J. Greedy

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Lee Gautreaux wrote:
Tony,
It's been well established that the new Tangent AC&F gon is accurate
for SP's G-70-12 class, but are there any significant differences
between the G-70-12 and the -8 class? They appear to be identical
designs with wood floors and drop ends. Also, I know that the
G-70-16 class differs in steel floor vs. wood floor and the strapped
ends. Are the any other differences that you can tell?
The G-70-16 is certainly similar, but it has a different end
(look at the topmost and bottom ribs), including a wheeled hand brake,
and lacks the little tie-down loops on the top chord of the sides.
It's also a fixed-end car, thus lacking the heavy corner posts of the
drop-end cars, and doesn't have the tall end sill of the G-70-8 and
-12 cars. The Tangent model could certainly stand in for a G-70-16 but
to my eye would be significantly different.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Naperville

bnsd45
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Denis F. Blake" <dblake7@> wrote:

We, WrightTRAK Railroad Models, would like to thank the Loftons for putting on another GREAT event. We would also like to thank them for the support of this meet over the many years that is has been going on.

We would also like to take a moment to thank all of those...
I wanted to take a quick moment to copy the lead of Denis Blake and Gary Wright and thank the Loftins for pulling off another major meet. By Sunday all of us seemed exhausted, I cannot imagine how tired Al and Patricia felt! I hope they find the pace more enjoyable in the future.

I also wanted to thank the transition era modeling community for being so enthusiastic about our new freight car project (the ACF 70-ton welded Gondola). After years of attending Naperville meets as a modeler and manufacturer, it was great to see such enthusiasm come from many attendees, even those who find our product just a year or two too late for their wartime interests. Thank you all for your support; as a new, niche styrene manufacturer we admit needing high sales volumes to get to our next model and we approach our model design and execution as a labor of love.

Finally, congrats to all of the other manufacturers with new items as well. I personally enjoyed the new Wright Trak models especially the M53, Mr. Cagle's new tank car offerings, and the new NP reefers from Sunshine.

Thank you again for your support.

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: End of Naperville....NOT!!!

Charlie Vlk
 

Joe was around and taking notes on suggestions from all.....
....I found he was on top of things and not planning on fiddling with the basic things about the Naperville meet that made it so successful.... but willing to tweak details and add to it to insure that we (and more of us) will enjoy it in 2010 and beyond.
I was very encouraged in talking to Joe as were a number of others who I compared notes with that had conversations with him.

As a first-time speaker, special thanks to Martin and his family and to the people that kindly attended my talk!

Charlie Vlk


Re: End of Naperville.

Bruce Smith
 

On Nov 2, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Jack Burgess wrote:

The meet is being taken over by Joe D'Elia of A-Line/Proto Power West and
will continue at the same location, same format, etc.
And, at least for next year, 1 week earlier, 10/21-24/2010 as I understood it.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Lee Gautreaux wrote:
Tony,
It's been well established that the new Tangent AC&F gon is accurate for SP's G-70-12 class, but are there any significant differences between the G-70-12 and the -8 class? They appear to be identical designs with wood floors and drop ends. Also, I know that the G-70-16 class differs in steel floor vs. wood floor and the strapped ends. Are the any other differences that you can tell?
The G-70-16 is certainly similar, but it has a different end (look at the topmost and bottom ribs), including a wheeled hand brake, and lacks the little tie-down loops on the top chord of the sides. It's also a fixed-end car, thus lacking the heavy corner posts of the drop-end cars, and doesn't have the tall end sill of the G-70-8 and -12 cars. The Tangent model could certainly stand in for a G-70-16 but to my eye would be significantly different.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: End of Naperville.

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Dave,
This past weekend was the last PMS hosted by Sunshine Models. It will not be the last PMS in Naperville.
It is my understanding that the gentleman who has hosted the Western Prototype Meet has stepped forward and will organize next years event. Hopefully we'll many more years of fun in Naperville.
Sunshine Models, will for now, continue offering models and I believe will be present at next years event.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

It was my understanding this was the last Naperville meet. Did Martin
provide an explanation? Any Sunshine business and/or soon-to-be-available
announcements?

Dave Nelson