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Re: Are We All Just a Bunch of Masochists?

Dave Nelson
 

Me: "Hi, My name is Dave. I buy kits of steam era freight cars... resin
kits".
Audience: "Hi Dave".
Me: "I started slow, buying just a few and actually building the kits, but
as time went on I was buying more and more".
Audience: Nods and mutters of personal awareness.
Me: "Now I just buy and store 'em with no thought of ever building them".

And so on.
Sound familiar?

Actually, I do have a purpose for my kits and that is as a hands-on example
of information that I can use to reproduce that car in 3d cad for use in
train simulator software.

Dave Nelson


Re: Looking for decals

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Sunshine decal only orders are faster. Occasionally only a month. I don't
know of any restriction on buying decals from new kits.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
shaystark
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:25 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Looking for decals

Thanks Al and Jim.

That figures, I am just wrapping up scratchbuilding the sides for my B5 and
the kit is announced. Wonder if Martin will sell me decals for his newest
releases.

I am glad to know that there is a posibliltiy to get decals from Sunshine. I
will check with them and see wwhat I can get. I just hope decals don't take
six months to get.

Thanks again.

Shay Stark


Re: Looking for decals

SHAY STARK
 

Thanks Al and Jim.

That figures, I am just wrapping up scratchbuilding the sides for my B5 and the kit is announced. Wonder if Martin will sell me decals for his newest releases.

I am glad to know that there is a posibliltiy to get decals from Sunshine. I will check with them and see wwhat I can get. I just hope decals don't take six months to get.

Thanks again.

Shay Stark

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

For the SAL B-5, I've combined some of the Speedwitch set for SAL steel boxcars, with Champ data for 40-ton cars. 'Course this may be moot: has Sunshine released their B-5 kit yet? If so, see Jim Hayes's note in this thread.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@> wrote:


A little known fact is that Sunshine sells their decals separately. $3 for
one color decals plus $1 for each additional color. And there's no postage
charge for decal only orders. Go to www.sunshinekits.com/flyersbyroad.html
to find your model and look at the flyer for it, then go to the Contact
Sunshine page for ordering info. I know that at least the NP boxcars have
been done by Sunshine. Unfortunately the NP monads are separate decals for
the red and black so those decals will cost you $5.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
shaystark
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for decals

I am currently on a boxcar building binge and I am looking for decals to
complete some specific cars as they roll through the paint shop in the next
couple of months. The cars I am building are HO scale and the period being
modeled is September 1950. I have looked through the available Microscale,
Odball and Champs sets. I can piece together champ decal sets to come up
with much of what I need but if there are specific sets produced from others
that would be a better fit for these particular cars that is even better. I
am looking for decals for the following cars and would appreciate any
suggestions:
Northern Pacific 14000 series double sheathed 40 foot 40 ton boxcar.
Northern Pacific 20000 series single sheathed 40 foot 50 ton boxcar.
SLSF Frisco 14700-14800 series single sheathed 40 foot 50 ton boxcar.
SAL 14000-16000 series B-5 single sheathed 40 foot 50 ton boxcar.
C&O 12000 series Rebuilt Steel 40 foot 40 ton boxcar.
Thanks for any ideas.
Shay Stark


Re: Are We All Just a Bunch of Masochists?

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I'll be your sponsor. Step one is to send all your resin kits to me.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Jim
Betz
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:14 AM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] Are We All Just a Bunch of Masochists?

I think we should rename this group "Resin Cars Anonymous" ... any one
want to be my "sponsor"? Only thing is ... twelve steps won't be near
enough.



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Are We All Just a Bunch of Masochists?

Jim Betz
 

I think we should rename this group "Resin Cars Anonymous" ... any one
want to be my "sponsor"? Only thing is ... twelve steps won't be near enough.


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...>
 

Of course, if rules were followed, the choice of route and destination were limited
because of tariffs and other regs. re crossing the border.
 
US freight tariffs permitted many overhead routings thru Canada, inconnection with a thru rating all authorized routings/gateways had the same price.
One of the rules I don't have any insight into is how the "shortcut" for US traffic heading between the Atlantic seaboard and the Mid-West across southern Ontario was dealt with in terms of customs tariffs etc.
 
Handled "In Bond", Seals intact, Customs manifest required for both countries.
US cars in British Columbia:
Lumber from British Columbia went to many destinations in the USA, from many origins, to many destinations, multiple routing choices, lumber was either sold direct by the producer or by lumber traders selling cars on the roll, there were a multiple of factors that made this business line more complex than the routing/shipping patterns of other commodities that were pretty straight forward after the first shipment. Lumber for the most part moved as single car shipments, multiple gateway/routing choices meant an opportunity for any railroad to participate in the routing by route solicitation or car supply (by agreement with the originating carrier). Lots of competition/interest for this business between the railroads. Foreign cars seen in Canada in some cases were specifically supplied empty for lumber loading. US railroads had "offline" traffic offices in Vancouver or Seattle to target this business. Lumber was a highly competitive business requiring
much more resources to service than other lines of business.  
 
I am not suggesting that the NYC car was sent to BC for loading, just that not every foreign car seen in BC moved loaded into the province, some were supplied empty for loading.
 
Ross McLeod Calgary


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Re: 1947-era Covered Hopper Question

cinderandeight@...
 

Guys,
The PRR provided cast iron "loading instruction" plates on the sides
of their covered hoppers up to 1953 (stamped plates there after). In my den
I have one such plate off a class H33 covered hopper (built 4/53).
The commodities listed on it are: Pulverized coal, soda ash light, soda
ash dense, hydraulic lime, cement, sand dry, sodium nitrate, feldspar, and
dolomite. The first five listed items were to be loaded fully, while the
later ones had specified distances from the hatch at which to stop loading.
My experience was that all PRR covered hoppers into the mid-1950's loaded
only mineral loads. I think the loading of food stuffs into covered hoppers
was facilitated by the introduction of modern linings for the cars which
could be cleaned and sanitized.
Rich Burg


1947-era Covered Hopper Question

Ralph <cnjlv@...>
 

Please excuse a question that may be very sophmoric as well as being burried somewhere within the message archives, but I was wondering if someone could enlighten me to the use of covered hoppers in food stuff service, circa 1947.
I realize that covered hoppers go back to the late 1930's, but were typically used to haul chemicals and cement, not grains, as they have been almost exclusively since the 1960's.
The issue is this - I have a friend who wants to model a brewery circa 1947, so would ANY of the incoming grain/malt/barley have been delivered in covered hoppers, or would it have all still been transported via boxcars? The RR in question is the NYC, the locale New York City.

Thank you,

Ralph Heiss
S. Plainfield, NJ


New models was Re: Naperville

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

You called it Tom. I tried to build a Sylvan trailer and the little hand car we were given and screwed both up badly! So, I went to my daughters to fix an eve trough and fell off the ladder....I sat and watch TV last night....
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "pullmanboss" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

Clark, perhaps this isn't the day to start scratchbuilding that Z scale Shay.

Tom Madden


Re: EJ&E box car decals?

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Martin was selling his overstock of orange EJ&E decals for that mini-kit. I have a couple of friend who model the 60s setting on theirs waiting for decals to do the half orange half green paint scheme.
Clark Propst


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Maybe I'm not getting this exactly right, and I wish Terry Link would tell us
a more complete story, but I'd always been under the impression that many NYC
cars in Canada were due to the use of CASO to enter markets more easily
accessed by that route. I had also been led to understand that CASO was
"obtained" by the NYC for that exact reason. One example I had heard was the
routing of auto parts traffic from NY State and N.E. through so. Ontario via
the CASO to assembly plants in Michigan. There were also auto plants (GM at
a minimum) in Canada that routed traffic both directions. The PRR did not
have any such operation, but photos show decent numbers of Canadian cars on
PRR rails due to the large number of newspapers and other paper users (like
box plants) and lumber distributors served by the PRR.

The actual distribution of cars, which is a frequent topic on this list, may
be somewhat statistically distributed, but the presence of larger than
expected numbers of certain roads' cars on foreign rails is a whole other
subject ripe for detailed study.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:37 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC box car that went far...




Wasn't CASO affiliated with the NYC? Could the car have been loaded on CASO
rails in Ontario?

Tim O'Connor

At 10/29/2009 11:18 PM Thursday, you wrote:
"steve l" <stevelucas3@... <mailto:stevelucas3%40yahoo.ca> >
10/29/09 9:27 PM >>>
On the CN main line in Houston, BC, summer 1950.--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=855628
4&id=37
<http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=85562
84&id=37>

Steve Lucas.

Steve,

Interesting photo, but I'm sorry, there is nothing surprising about
finding a NYC boxcar "far from home". Its late and I'm tired and so I'm
probably cranky, but how often do we have to say this???? Boxcars
basically operated in a national pool... OK, so this car is in Canada
and thus US car numbers would be lower, but since NYC has one of the
largest boxcar fleets in North America, there should be little surprise
that one would show up almost ANYWHERE on contiguous rails. The car is
most likely carrying a shipment from the US to BC, but that shipment
could just have easily originated in Seattle or anywhere else as
somewhere on NYC rails.

Regards
Bruce Smith
temporarily and grogily from Naperville Il


Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] 8 Hatch Canadian Reefers

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dale and friends,

In Jim Harrison's SACRAMENTO NORTHERN GALLERY there is a photo taken circa 1956 of a short train at Lake Temescal near Oakland, California. The first car in the train is a GTW 8-hatch reefer. I thought it was a CN car until I put a glass on it last night and could barely make out the GTW reporting marks and herald. What it was doing in California is anyone's guess, but the train is eastbound, so it is probably and empty going home. All this shows that these 8-hatch cars are appropriate for U.S. modelers, and that the cars could even turn up on a road as small as the SN.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: EJ&E box car decals?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Tony! That makes the green EJ&E cars good for many folks on this
list. And if the statements that the orange over green cars came along in
1952, that makes the absence of all of these EJ&E box cars on the market as
all the more of a mystery!

BTW, nice job on the data for the article in RPCyc. I never knew there were
black SP gons in that group of cars!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: EJ&E box car decals?



Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Also, I understand the earliest green box cars on the EJ&E happened
right after delivery of their Baldwin DT 6-6-20 center cab diesels,
which was in what year? And is this a true statement?
I don't know for sure if this statement is true, but the 1948 EJ&E box cars
do appear to have been solid green, and most of the center cabs were
delivered in 1948 (the first was built in 1946).
Whether there may have been earlier all-green box cars, prior to 1948, I
don't know.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Re: NYC box car that went far...

Robert kirkham
 

A couple of thoughts on that:

I think Bruce's point is that it needn't have been loaded on NYC or an affiliate. It could have been loaded on any line in any state. Of course, if rules were followed, the choice of route and destination were limited because of tariffs and other regs. re crossing the border. I certainly don't have a good handle on those rules. One of the rules I don't have any insight into is how the "shortcut" for US traffic heading between the Atlantic seaboard and the Mid-West across southern Ontario was dealt with in terms of customs tariffs etc. I wonder if it may have been defined with some sort of loop hole that allowed certain types of traffic to move all the way to the west coast within Canada. Idle speculation on my part until I do some research, of course.

Another point - my comments in an earlier e-mail about NYC traffic on the west coast relate to photos of CPR tracks in Vancouver. This shot is of CNR tracks several hundred miles north (on the line between Prince George & Prince Rupert). Assuming a west bound load, I suppose port traffic might explain that car there.

But really it is very hard to get beyond guess work.


Rob Kirkham

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From: "Tim O'Connor" <@timboconnor>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:37 PM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC box car that went far...


Wasn't CASO affiliated with the NYC? Could the car have
been loaded on CASO rails in Ontario?

Tim O'Connor


At 10/29/2009 11:18 PM Thursday, you wrote:
"steve l" <stevelucas3@...> 10/29/09 9:27 PM >>>
On the CN main line in Houston, BC, summer 1950.--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=8556284&id=37

Steve Lucas.

Steve,

Interesting photo, but I'm sorry, there is nothing surprising about
finding a NYC boxcar "far from home". Its late and I'm tired and so I'm
probably cranky, but how often do we have to say this???? Boxcars
basically operated in a national pool... OK, so this car is in Canada
and thus US car numbers would be lower, but since NYC has one of the
largest boxcar fleets in North America, there should be little surprise
that one would show up almost ANYWHERE on contiguous rails. The car is
most likely carrying a shipment from the US to BC, but that shipment
could just have easily originated in Seattle or anywhere else as
somewhere on NYC rails.

Regards
Bruce Smith
temporarily and grogily from Naperville Il


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Re: I hate Outlook 2007

Brian Ehni <behni@...>
 

Just ditch the PC! 8^)

Thanks!
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From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:02:22 -0800
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>, RPM <RPM-forum@...>
Subject: [STMFC] I hate Outlook 2007





I apologize for the fact that Outlook 2007 sometimes (but not always) adds
additional blank lines to my emails. It's just one more reason that I'm
slowly migrating to Gmail.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Wright Trak M53/M53A

Tim O'Connor
 

The car looked great to me, but I was intensely annoyed by
the cast-on ladder stiles. Completely ridiculous IMO. I'm not
going to pay $50 for a kit that I have to scrape off cast on
ladder parts. I hope a future edition of the kit will eliminate
this "feature" and then I'll be happy to buy them.

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, MA

At 11/3/2009 09:06 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Folks,

I was blown away by the fact that the model is set up to allow the
Duryea underframe to WORK! (if the modeler choses to do so) I think
that is an HO scale production first - isn't it?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL



Bruce . I designed the Duryea centersill as a separate piece that truly does
ride only on the crossbearers and bolster pad, a first in the industry (I
think). It even has the 10 "wear plates" that keep the centersill from
rubbing the various crossbearers and bolster webs. The only things missing
are springs on each side of the bolster/truck pad that would fit inside the
pockets.



As far as I know, this is a first time for the post-WWII Youngstown door and
the M53A class, easily distinguished from the M53 by a twin row of rivets
along the roof's rounded corners and a rivet strip across each end
signifying a 2-panel construction instead of the single panel on the M53.
The M53A was built in 1941; the M53 in 1937.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Sunshine kit 91.5 question

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

Group,
If anyone bought kit 91.5 (B&M/MTC XM-1 with the flat steel roof) at Naperville, will you tell me if it includes the early three panel doors in addition to the Youngstown door? Thanks.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Speedwitch SR Gon Kit

paulbizier <pa.bizier@...>
 

Richard, et al...

Thanks for the advice. I've got a bunch of the Accurail truck (and Reboxx wheels) as they're appropriate for several of my SAL cars, so that's a good choice for me.

Paul

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:21 PM, paulbizier wrote:

I'm working through the "round tuit" stack of stuff in my closet,
and this is up next. Unfortunately, Ted's directions don't make
any truck recommendations. Do any of our "truck experts" have
suggestions for appropriate trucks?
Paul, I have several photos of these cars, both builder's shots and
in-service, and all show them with AAR U-section cast steel trucks
with spring planks. The Accurail 'Bettendorf" truck recommended by
someone else on the list is a good choice. Tahoe's spring plank
truck is better detailed, but the bolster ends are different from
those on the prototype cars.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: EJ&E box car decals?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Also, I understand the earliest green box cars on the EJ&E happened right after delivery of their Baldwin DT 6-6-20 center cab diesels, which was in what year? And is this a true statement?
I don't know for sure if this statement is true, but the 1948 EJ&E box cars do appear to have been solid green, and most of the center cabs were delivered in 1948 (the first was built in 1946). Whether there may have been earlier all-green box cars, prior to 1948, I don't know.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Wright Trak M53/M53A

Jim King
 

Folks,

I was blown away by the fact that the model is set up to allow the
Duryea underframe to WORK! (if the modeler choses to do so) I think
that is an HO scale production first - isn't it?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL



Bruce . I designed the Duryea centersill as a separate piece that truly does
ride only on the crossbearers and bolster pad, a first in the industry (I
think). It even has the 10 "wear plates" that keep the centersill from
rubbing the various crossbearers and bolster webs. The only things missing
are springs on each side of the bolster/truck pad that would fit inside the
pockets.



As far as I know, this is a first time for the post-WWII Youngstown door and
the M53A class, easily distinguished from the M53 by a twin row of rivets
along the roof's rounded corners and a rivet strip across each end
signifying a 2-panel construction instead of the single panel on the M53.
The M53A was built in 1941; the M53 in 1937.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>