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New Owner for Naperville Prototype Meet

Rhbale@...
 

Martin Lofton, who previously expressed plans to retire as sponsor of the
annual Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meet, has announced that an agreement
has been reached with Joe D’Elia to take over the popular event held annually
at the Holiday Inn in Naperville, Illinois.
D’Elia, owner of A-Line, ProtoPower West and New Rail Models, has
considerable experience in managing events and has for many years been a
co-sponsor of the Western Prototype Modelers Meet held each year in Southern
California.
D’Elia told MRH he is committed to presenting the Naperville Meet with
few, if any, recognizable changes. By agreement with Martin Lofton, the
event will continue to be identified as the Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meet.
A contract has also been signed by D’Elia with the Naperville Holiday Inn
with the next meet scheduled for October 21 through 24, 2010. D’Elia said
that a web site now under development would indicate all pertinent details
of the meet including a list of the dates and hours of individual clinics.
Although Martin Lofton and his wife Tricia will no longer be involved in
managing future meets, they are expected to attend and promote Sunshine
products. Perhaps Martin will finally have time to present a clinic at the
popular event he launched eighteen years ago
Richard Bale, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine
www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com



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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 2, 2009, at 7:36 AM, jjgotrox wrote:

Tony,

It's been well established that the new Tangent AC&F gon is accurate
for SP's G-70-12 class, but are there any significant differences
between the G-70-12 and the -8 class?
Lee,
The bodies of the cars were identical. The G-70-8 cars built in 1951
were originally painted black with white stencils. Technically, the
Tangent model is actually more accurate for the G-70-8 because these
prototype cars came with U.S. Gypsum brake steps that the model
replicates nicely. The G-70-12 cars had Kerrigan brake steps, which
were a rectangular open grid similar to Apex Tri-Lok. In addition to
coverage of these SP gondola cars in Tony's book, RP CYC Vol. 19 has a
comprehensive 53-page article covering all prototype cars in which the
model was based (PRR G31B and other copies built by AC&F), including
similar riveted cars and others having steel floors.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Lee Gautreaux
 

Tony,

It's been well established that the new Tangent AC&F gon is accurate for SP's G-70-12 class, but are there any significant differences between the G-70-12 and the -8 class? They appear to be identical designs with wood floors and drop ends. Also, I know that the G-70-16 class differs in steel floor vs. wood floor and the strapped ends. Are the any other differences that you can tell?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The Bayou Foamer
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: Speedwitch SR Gon Kit

Frank Greene
 

paulbizier wrote:
...Ted's directions don't make any truck recommendations. Do any of our "truck experts" have suggestions for appropriate trucks?

TIA,
Paul Bizier

The Southern diagram sheet for series 316250-316499 and 55000-55710 shows Scullen side frames, but the sheet for 55711-55960 says only "Cast Truck". Photos show spring planks. I used Accurail "Bettendorf" trucks, but I'm not a truck expert.

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: Current events

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Andy Carlson wrote:
I, as someone with an interest in Steam era freight cars and the Southern Pacific, am wondering if there is anything going on that might be of interest this weekend. Thanks in advance,
If you mean the SP Society's San Luis Obispo convention this weekend, we had 108 of the new Tangent SP gondolas (Class G-70-12) delivered, and they sold out in barely three hours. Superb models and precisely correct for the SP cars. The new WrightTRAK SP caboose, classes C-40-1 and C-40-3, was exhibited though not quite yet available for sale, and there was considerable interest in it, too. It's a beautiful kit.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SLSF XM 18050

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Gene wrote:

Can anyone confirm that the whole series that included SLSF XM 18050
was equipped with Ajax hand brakes?
Gene,
According to the Frisco diagram for 18050-18549, all 500 cars had Ajax
hand brakes.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for pointing out this interesting photo Steve. It had certainly travelled far! It is suprising how infrequently one sees a photo of a US railway boxcar spotted in an out-of-the way spot like Houston, although the fact it sits on the CNR main line may be the explanation. The pity is we can't tell if it is stopping here to load or unload, or just set off as bad order. I expect someone familiar with the trackage at Houston would have a better sense of what is going on.

My own informal studies of off-line cars in the Vancouver area from the 10's through 50's has led my to conclude that NYC boxcars may be statistically over-represented compared to other lines. I hope to have some time to look into it in more detail in the future. But my current impression from viewing yard photos is that the PRR is hardly evident - I may have two shots showing PRR boxcars here. The UP is almost non-existent - I have one shot prior to 1950. The B&O - I think I have reference info on two cars. But NYC, I've seen several cars. It's led me to wonder whether the NYC connection to the CPR via the TH&B (or some other connection) may have had an impact, but I don't know enough to go beyond formulating the question.

This is also an interesting find in light of comments on the Canadian Model Trains forum last week about the comparitive infrequency of US owned rolling stock in small town Canada during most of the steam era. Each photo of this type helps incrementally improve our sense of how things were....

Rob Kirkham
Surrey, B.C.

--- In STMFC@..., "steve l" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

On the CN main line in Houston, BC, summer 1950.--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=8556284&id=37

Steve Lucas.


Re: 46 ft. Flatcars?

steve l <stevelucas3@...>
 

Claus--

The CPR had quite a few of the 46' cars. 800 straight-sided cars with a "fishbelly" underframe were built by Canadian Car and Foundry in 1937, series 300000 to 300799. Train Shed Cyclopedia #46 has a general arrangement drawing of these cars on page 197, and a photo of CP 300053 on page 203, fig. 189.

CN had 300 46' flat cars with "fishbelly" side sills built April/May, 1929, (Swain series C-1) in the 660200 to 660499 series.

CN also had 49 46' straight side sill flat cars built in August, 1937 to the CPR design that appears in the aforementioned Train Shed Cyclopedia. (Swain series D-1) were in the 660500-6660543 series, and (Swain series D-2) were in the 660544-660548 series. CN data is from a CN Lines Vol. 5/3 article by Stafford Swain. CN Lines Vol. 5/4 had an article by Stafford on modelling these cars.

Hope this helps,

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Ed and List Members,

Looking thru my TCS#46 (1931 CBC), I find photos of the following 45-46 foot flat cars:

CP (number not readable) (46 foot)
C&NW 42597 (46 foot)
IC 61078 (45 foot)
L&N 24560 (46 foot 9 1/4 in)

- Claus Schlund


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gene Green wrote:
Bruce,
Why did you feel a need to "correct" Steve? Steve didn't say it was surprising, just that it went far. In the message I read Steve didn't comment on the likelihood, frequency or possibility that a NYC box car was in British Columbia. My sense of distances has the distance between British Columbia and the nearest NYC tracks in the "far" category. All Steve said was "went far."
And Bruce said, "So what?" Are you objecting to the facts behind Bruce's response, Gene?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] 8 Hatch Canadian Reefers

steve l <stevelucas3@...>
 

Dale--Few of these cars were built before WWII. Both freight and express reefers were covered in an extensive series of articles in RMC a number of years back.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "devansprr" <devans1@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., 4everwaiting@ wrote:

I never noticed this being mentioned on this list but True Line
Trains has announced the release of at least two versions of the
Canadian overhead eight hatch steel refrigerator cars. The CN cars
will have the regular reefer doors and the CP cars will have plug
doors. There is no indication yet if they will do the CP regular
door or CN plug door versions. Pacific Great Eastern BC Railway and
Grand Trunk Western versions are also in the cars to be released.

Peter Bowers
Pete,

Is there any info on when these cars were built? I looked through the '43 ORER and CP, CN, and GTW all list refeers with steel underframes and 42'6" outside length, and all of them have notes about unique characteristics (GTW was meat racks), multi-stage icing, underslung charcoal heaters, etc. They also had a 75,000 pound capacity - more than many similar sized reefers the roads had at that time.

Are these the cars?

I am trying to determine if they are valid WWII cars.

Thanks,
Dave Evans


Speedwitch SR Gon Kit

paulbizier <pa.bizier@...>
 

I'm working through the "round tuit" stack of stuff in my closet, and this is up next. Unfortunately, Ted's directions don't make any truck recommendations. Do any of our "truck experts" have suggestions for appropriate trucks?

TIA,
Paul Bizier


Naperville

seaboard_1966
 

We, WrightTRAK Railroad Models, would like to thank the Loftons for putting on another GREAT event. We would also like to thank them for the support of this meet over the many years that is has been going on.

We would also like to take a moment to thank all of those who stopped by our suite and our table over the course of the weekend to check out our new offerings, the M&O M53 boxcar and the new SAL lowside gon...Mandatory freight car content here....With continued support like what was show to us over the weekend you guys and the event can count on seeing us there for many more years...

Thanks.

Gary Wright
Denis Blake
The WrightTRAK Guys


Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] 8 Hatch Canadian Reefers

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@..., 4everwaiting@... wrote:

I never noticed this being mentioned on this list but True Line
Trains has announced the release of at least two versions of the
Canadian overhead eight hatch steel refrigerator cars. The CN cars
will have the regular reefer doors and the CP cars will have plug
doors. There is no indication yet if they will do the CP regular
door or CN plug door versions. Pacific Great Eastern BC Railway and
Grand Trunk Western versions are also in the cars to be released.

Peter Bowers
Pete,

Is there any info on when these cars were built? I looked through the '43 ORER and CP, CN, and GTW all list refeers with steel underframes and 42'6" outside length, and all of them have notes about unique characteristics (GTW was meat racks), multi-stage icing, underslung charcoal heaters, etc. They also had a 75,000 pound capacity - more than many similar sized reefers the roads had at that time.

Are these the cars?

I am trying to determine if they are valid WWII cars.

Thanks,
Dave Evans


SLSF XM 18050

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Can anyone confirm that the whole series that included SLSF XM 18050 was equipped with Ajax hand brakes?

Gene Green


Re: 46 ft. Flatcars?

Jeffrey White
 

According to the 1954 Freight Car Diagram book for the IC, they had a number of 45 foot flat cars running yet. The diagram shows 200 numbers (6100-61199) but I have no idea how many were still running. Built in 1929 by Bett. Co.

Claus Schlund (HGM) wrote:


Hi Ed and List Members,

Looking thru my TCS#46 (1931 CBC), I find photos of the following 45-46 foot flat cars:

CP (number not readable) (46 foot)
C&NW 42597 (46 foot)
IC 61078 (45 foot)
L&N 24560 (46 foot 9 1/4 in)

- Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) [mailto:claus@...
<mailto:claus%40hellgatemodels.com>]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 03:07 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

Hi Ed and list members,

Bruce wrote:

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
One of the TSC reprints has a pic of a C&NW flat in this length.

- Claus Schlund


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:@smithbf
<mailto:smithbf%40auburn.edu>]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:23 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?


On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and
unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?
Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more
inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC 46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2
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Re: 46 ft. Flatcars?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi,

Forgot to mention, in N scale, Model Power makes a car that is a good match for C&NW 42597. It has crude details, but then upgrading the details is part of the fun!

- Claus

-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) [mailto:claus@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:06 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

Hi Ed and List Members,

Looking thru my TCS#46 (1931 CBC), I find photos of the following 45-46 foot flat cars:

CP (number not readable) (46 foot)
C&NW 42597 (46 foot)
IC 61078 (45 foot)
L&N 24560 (46 foot 9 1/4 in)

- Claus Schlund




-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) [mailto:claus@...]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 03:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

Hi Ed and list members,

Bruce wrote:

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
One of the TSC reprints has a pic of a C&NW flat in this length.

- Claus Schlund


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:@smithbf]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?


On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and
unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?
Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more
inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC 46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: 46 ft. Flatcars?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Ed and List Members,

Looking thru my TCS#46 (1931 CBC), I find photos of the following 45-46 foot flat cars:

CP (number not readable) (46 foot)
C&NW 42597 (46 foot)
IC 61078 (45 foot)
L&N 24560 (46 foot 9 1/4 in)

- Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) [mailto:claus@...]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 03:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?

Hi Ed and list members,

Bruce wrote:

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
One of the TSC reprints has a pic of a C&NW flat in this length.

- Claus Schlund


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:@smithbf]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?


On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and
unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?
Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more
inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC 46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: Overland gon ID

Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
 

Thanks David, that helps a lot......Jim




________________________________
From: David North <davenorth@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:38:12 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Overland gon ID

 
Hi all ....I just obtained a Overland 100 ton brass gondola..... The box says
#70000-70031, but I can't find it in any of the SF books.....Can anyone tell
me what class it is or where there are pics of it....thanks Jim W.

Hi Jim,

It is from the Ga-163 class, built in 1967 by the Thrall Car Co. The live
list shows the class started with 32 cars, then 31 cars from 1970 -1987,
then 10 cars in 1989 and one car in 1991. The live list only goes to 1991.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Dave North

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Re: Overland gon ID

David North <davenorth@...>
 

Hi all ....I just obtained a Overland 100 ton brass gondola.....The box says
#70000-70031, but I can't find it in any of the SF books.....Can anyone tell
me what class it is or where there are pics of it....thanks Jim W.











Hi Jim,

It is from the Ga-163 class, built in 1967 by the Thrall Car Co. The live
list shows the class started with 32 cars, then 31 cars from 1970 -1987,
then 10 cars in 1989 and one car in 1991. The live list only goes to 1991.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Dave North


Re: Current events

Brian Carlson
 

Just one point of order, not all of us outside Cicago are old timers.
Brian Carlson, P.E.

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, pullmanboss <tgmadden@...> wrote:


From: pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Current events
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 1:24 AM


 



I, as someone with an interest in Steam era freight cars and the Southern Pacific, am wondering if there is anything going on that might be of interest this weekend. Thanks in advance,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Some old timers have gotten together in one of the Chicago suburbs, and the ones that aren't there are in a smallish college town in California just over the hill from Santa Margarita. I understand there's some former SP trackage in that area....

Tom Madden
















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