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U.S. Navy San Diego Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Randy Williamson
 

Hi Elden,

I have never heard or diagonal loading of cars.  Would it entail opposite corners of the load being off the car?

Randy


Re: USRA double sheathed rebuids

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hello folks,

    Does anyone have a list of those roads that received and rebuilt their USRA double sheathed 
cars using Youngstown kits of either 8 or 10 panel steel sides or roads that might have purchased 
such rebuilt cars? Alternately would anyone have a duplicate copy of Vol. 24 of the Railway Prototype 
Cyclopedia that they might be interested in trading for a new, and duplicate to me, copy of RPC 
Nos. 1 through 7?

Thank your for any assistance offered, Don Valentine


Re: General American two dome tank car GATX 810

O Fenton Wells
 

Great blog Lester, I too have on of those to build and your blog will be a great help.  I built the 3 dome Dupont car and made many mistakes.  To this day somewhere under my desk(workbench) or in the ethereal space continuum are 3 of the brass end steps.  I never found them.
Fenton

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:26 PM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

After putting off the build of Southern Car & Foundry GATX two dome tank car, I finally build it.  I ended up lettering it GATX 810.  If you are interested in the build of this tank car including addition of parts not in the kit and handrails using a method not in the kit instructions, photos and writeup of the build process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Flat Car Load

Charles Peck
 

That would definitely  be handled as a special move.  Some roads could handle it, others 
could not.  Engine, perhaps an idler or not, caboose.  Orders almost certainly would read 
to NOT meet opposing train on double track.  Slow orders, walking speed through certain 
bridges, etc.  
Interesting for operations, maybe once a year or so.
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:44 PM Randy Williamson <pennsy@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson


Re: Flat Car Load

Richard Townsend
 

Railroads were able to move loads that were too high or too wide, or both, to meet clearance diagrams. It might require a special movement all on its own. But I know of a movement of brewery equipment on the Colorado & Southern from Denver to Golden for Coors. The route was checked beforehand for clearance issues and planning went on several days before the cars with the loads arrived. They put the cars carrying the high/wide load at the head of the regular local to Golden and sent a crew in a motor car ahead of the train to double check for possible clearance problems as the train proceeded. Some tree limbs had to be cut, but otherwise the move was made successfully. But keep in mind this was an unusual occurrence.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Williamson <pennsy@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 19, 2020 9:44 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Randy;

 

That is considerably in excess of any clearance diagram I am aware of.  That is also why some roads rostered diagonal loading cars.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Williamson
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 12:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Flat Car Load

 

Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson


Flat Car Load

Randy Williamson
 

Hi All,

I have an item I would like to make into a load for a HO 40' flat car.  The item measures out to 14' (HO Scale) width and the flat car deck is at 9' width.  Would that be allowable or is the item too wide for this flat car.

Thanks,

Randy Williamson


General American two dome tank car GATX 810

Lester Breuer
 

After putting off the build of Southern Car & Foundry GATX two dome tank car, I finally build it.  I ended up lettering it GATX 810.  If you are interested in the build of this tank car including addition of parts not in the kit and handrails using a method not in the kit instructions, photos and writeup of the build process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer


Re: Boiler Load On Flat Car (Multiscale Digital Boilers)

Allen Cain
 

Bob,

I received one of each and I was very pleased with the surface.  I agree that the surface looks grainy in the pictures.  But the actual surface on mine was just fine.  Also, note that there are bolt/rivet heads on a lot of the surfaces.

Allen Cain


Re: Boiler Load On Flat Car (Multiscale Digital Boilers)

John Barry
 

Don,

I believe that Bruce modified a Chooch boiler.  That was a variant of the "Scotch boiler" and not the type used in warships.  The Birchfield boilers of the current discussion originated at Tacoma Washington (State not District) at the Birchfield Shipbuilding & Boiler Co., Inc.,  located on the west side of the Blair Waterway, in the Port of Tacoma.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 10:13:38 AM EDT, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


   Who was the firm that offered similar boilers but I believe they were sectional and for ships? Was it
Bruce Smith that posted photos of such a boiler as a flat car load some years ago? Those I could 
easily justify here as opposed to an industrial boiler from a mid-western manufacturer. I believe it 
was Alco that supplied ship boiler that passed through Vermont via a somewhat circuitous route to 
Bath Iron Works in Bath, Me to be used in the destroyers they built during WW II.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Boiler Load On Flat Car (Multiscale Digital Boilers)

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

   Who was the firm that offered similar boilers but I believe they were sectional and for ships? Was it
Bruce Smith that posted photos of such a boiler as a flat car load some years ago? Those I could 
easily justify here as opposed to an industrial boiler from a mid-western manufacturer. I believe it 
was Alco that supplied ship boiler that passed through Vermont via a somewhat circuitous route to 
Bath Iron Works in Bath, Me to be used in the destroyers they built during WW II.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Painting brass

John Barry
 

Joe,

Maybe we should hang blue flags on the common equipment when we are using it to prevent such incidents?

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 04:13:40 PM EDT, Joseph <mstl852@...> wrote:


That happened to a buddy of mine.  He was baking a passenger car, went downstairs to work on something else.  His wife came home to make cookies and raised the oven temp.  The car was later sent to a friend to have it re assembled.  His house burned down. 

I have melted a Walthers H10-44 shell while trying to set Scalecoat.   My kids learned all kinds of new words that day. 
I keep that shell around so if I start to get cocky it brings me back to reality. 

Joe Binish
New Hope , MN



On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 2:57 PM John Larkin via groups.io <jflarkingrc=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mont,

Did you consider the model to be "well-done" after the first baking?   (Groan!)

John Larkin



On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 2:52:12 PM CDT, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:


In my case, I have to set the oven to 170ºF, because it won’t go any lower. So when it hits 150ºF, I’d put the model in and turn it off.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 2:39 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting brass

 

Many years ago I learned a hard lesson about baking brass models.  In conjunction with that lesson I also got to learn how to re-assemble some brass models.  After that I still used Mrs. Switzer's oven, but I went about it differently.  I now use the following steps:

 

1. preheat the oven to 150 degrees (I'm not disagreeing with 185 degrees)

2. when the light indicates the oven is at 150 degrees (pre-heat completed) turn it off

3. insert models

4. allow oven to cool and remove models 

 

The bad experience I had may have been a defect in the oven, but I'm not going to find out a second time.  I had placed the models in the oven and set it to pre-heat to 150 degrees.  It appears that during the pre-heating process the oven went well above 150 to bring the oven to the desired temperature.  That temperature was high enough to melt solder.

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of bob.stetser@... [bob.stetser@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting brass

Soak in lacquer thinner for a couple of hours to remove whatever is on the model.

Run twice in the ultrasonic cleaner, let dry

Spray, from rattle can, Rust-Oleum Primer, SELF ETCHING PRIMER, let dry

Spray with airbrush color of choice.

Bake 1 hour in oven at 185 degrees, leave in oven until cool.


Re: Barriger Library AC&F Photos

John Barry
 

Very interesting.  GAPX is not listed as a registered reporting mark in either the Jan or Apr 43 nor the Oct 44 ORER.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 04:10:34 PM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


David,

As usual, very interesting! 

Just a few photos up from SHPX 17520 is this Carnegie Steel Slab Cooling Car, lettered for the War Department Ordnance:

SHPX 1750 is a "classic" USG-A that could be modeled from a Tichy tank and IM type 27 under frame.

USQX 11200 shows have the USG-A cars  for USQX had a GATC-style frame (built by AC&F) and an AC&F tank.

NdeM 4305 presents an interesting issue. It too is a "classic" USG-A, except that it has a horizontal shaft hand brake. When I looked at the photo I wondered why we (the USA) were building cars for Mexico, when we were desperately short ourselves. In a post in 2008, ( #72832) Richard Hendrickson indicates that the War Production Board apparently had the same question and at least some of the NdeM cars were redirected to SHPX. This may in fact be one of those cars, and it would actually not have left Milton in this paint....

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David via groups.io <jaydeet2001@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 8:01 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Barriger Library AC&F Photos
 
After taking a break for a year or so, some early-1940s AC&F builder's
photos have been added to the Flickr page, including several USG-A
4-course tanks.

SHPX 17520:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619124151/in/album-72157649155982802/

USQX 11200 :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619388297/in/album-72157649155982802/

NdeM 45305:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49618608328/in/album-72157649155982802/

David Thompson




Re: Red Caboose Mather Meat reefers

Bruce Griffin
 

Andy and Ron,

Thank you.  I did look at the Mather Stock Car brake arrangement yesterday figuring they would be similar as the company seemed to prefer simple and consistent for ease of maintenance.  

Bruce D. Griffin

Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Red Caboose Mather Meat reefers

Andy Cich
 

Proto 2000 produced both the Mather stock car and Mather box car with AB brakes. Since the reefer has a similar underframe, I copied the Proto cars. Lacking any better information, that seemed the best to me.

 

Andy Cich

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Griffin
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 8:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Red Caboose Mather Meat reefers

 

Friends,

Does anyone have any idea what the 1940s update to AB brake layout for 38’ Mather meat reefers may have looked like? The kits come with K Brakes and included history indicate the upgrades took place in the 40s. Thank you. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Boiler Load On Flat Car

Nelson Moyer
 

RCW includes the YMW tank car straps with the boiler load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 8:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boiler Load On Flat Car

 

For straps you might want to use some etched tank car straps from Yarmouth Model Works:

https://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/Miscellaneous

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Ken Vandevoort <apo09324@...>
 

If anyone is looking for a photo of a particular tractor, I lived a block away from the Midwest Old Settlers and Threshers Reunion in Mount Pleasant, Iowa for 10 years and photographed tractors there longer than that.  If you need a close up of a particular detail, wait until Labor Day weekend and I will look for it.  Attached is a photo that became a jigsaw puzzle for the Henry County Heritage Trust a few years ago.  As you can see in the photo, not every Farmall was red.

Ken Vandevoort
New London, IA


Re: B&M XM1 trucks

Clark Propst
 

Thanks everybody, much appreciated. I had a package of the Red Caboose trucks. Being the label had PRR on it I never looked that close. They are now under the car.
Now if that order of KD couplers would show up....
CW Propst


Re: Boiler Load On Flat Car (Multiscale Digital Boilers)

Bob Chaparro
 

Multiscale Digital Boilers

Here are the boilers from the company's website:

HO Scale

https://multiscale.digital/collections/ho-1-87/products/ho-scale-birchfield-industrial-fire-tube-boiler-flatcar-load

N Scale

https://multiscale.digital/collections/n-1-160/products/n-scale-birchfield-industrial-fire-tube-boiler-flatcar-load-1

Some of the 3D printed surfaces look a little grainy to me.

Any comments or thoughts on how to remedy this?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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