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Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Rob--

I don't suspect a colour shift, as Delano used Kodachrome. Its colour dyes are known to be very stable. Colour reproduction on a computer monitor might change how you see the colour, though.

Yellow was probably a poor choice of colour for an STMFC, as road grime would quickly accumulate on a car. Yellow paint would show this faster than red oxide--like in this Delano photo. I do think that there is a bit of fading of that yellow paint, too.

Red oxide was a far cheaper paint than yellow for an STMFC. CN looked at painting its freight cars a colour other than red oxide in 1959-60, and was told that to use another colour would mean doubling the cost of freight car painting.

And as I look at the Delano freight yard photos, I think--"I want this car, and that car, and that car over there..." Jack Delano must never have thought that STMFC modellers 70 years later would be studying his photos so, so carefully...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rule292@...> wrote:

Good Evening,

Let's change colors.

I have a Chooch Ultra Scale kit of the MKT single sheathed car in Sloan Yellow:

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/814_mkt_katy_dble_box_car_yell.html

Shorpy has a Jack Delano Kodachrome of a similar car (not 7/7 ribs tho like the Chooch car) in Sloan Yellow in Galewood in 1943:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/704?size=_original

What sayeth STMFC about the color of the Shorpy car? Could it be Sloan yellow that has faded white and took on road grime in that short of a time since the car would have been repainted?

Or is it color shift or correction of the original?

Any and all help is appreciated!

Thanks,

Rob Mondichak


O Scale 2 rail train show

Rich Yoder
 

We look forward to seeing all of you O scale modelers at the show

Attending dealers and table holders are listed below.



cid:102452400@13072010-21CE

Once again our train show is fast approaching.

If your friends don't get this please pass it along.

Saturday August 7th at the Strasburg PA Fire Company

Located at 203 West Franklin street in Strasburg PA 17579

We are having our mid summer Swap meet and train show.

Doors open to the general public at 9:00 AM

Time 9:am to 1 pm

Admission $5. Wives and children under 17 free

Active military with ID FREE

Amish Style Cooking

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Table Holders will have a full table of merchandise until 1:00PM no early
packing is allowed

Dealers attending are listed below;



Allegheny Scale Models - Jack Mc Garry

Baldwin Forge and Machine - Joe Foehrkolb

Bob Jones Models - Bob Jones

Crusader Rail Service - Ray Kaminsky

Custom Bench Work - Tom Thorp

GREAT DECALS - Bill Mosteller

Just 2 Rails - Mike Rahilly

Mullet River Models - Glenn Guerra

Nickel Plate Models - David Vaughn

O Scale Trains Magazine - Joe Giannovario

Peterboro Railroad On30 Supply- John Weigel

RY Models - Rich Yoder

Sunset / Golden Gate Models - Bob Heil

V&W Hobbies - Karl Geffchman

White Elephant table - Proceeds for the North Haledon Model Railroad club



Table holders



Allen Landis

Bob / Karen Lavezzi

John Dunn

George Eshbach

Tom Mapes

Roger Pasquale

Brian Scace

Tom Shore

Jim Sycks

Attalee Taylor

Rich Randall

Jim Hawk

George Peckman

John Blanda

Drew McCann - Cherry Valley Model Railroad Club

William Truscott

Walter Maier

Michael Sell

Robert Croston

Charles Getscher

Mac Cewan

Bruce Achman

Bruce Mohn

Chuck Ostroff

Joe Hultay

John Hutnick



SHOW PROMOTERS

John Dunn 609-432-2871

Rich Yoder 484-256-4068





Sincerely,

Rich Yoder


Re: Truck questions

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

The GN had a large number of arch bar truck equipped box cars and flats in MOW service still by merger time in 1970.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Panhandle Division 1953
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Truck questions



Listers,

Looking for a 40ton truck; who makes the accepted best?

MofW inquiry, between 1950 - 1955 would the use of archbar trucks still be in use by class 1 RR's for maint. cars; and fox truck for shop cars that never go ouot on the main.

Fred Freitas


Re: Swift 2500/5200/6700 powered hand brakes

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 1, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Andy Cich wrote:

I am building an assortment of Sunshine Swift 2500, 5200, and 6700
series
reefers. Some will have vertical brake staffs, and some will have
powered
hand brakes.

I have found some photos of 5200 series cars with Miner hand brakes.

For the 2500 and 6700 series, I haven't found any B end photos of
these cars
with powered hand brakes. What would be appropriate for these cars?
Andy,
Photos of 2578, 2768, and 2976 show vertical staff hand brakes, all
from Bob's Photo. In case this is of interest, 5446 had an Equipco per
W.C. Whittaker photo 4-54. 5423 had a vertical staff hand brake and
5742 had an Ajax per photos in Gene Green's Refrigerator Car Color
Guide. I don't have any photos of 6700-series that show the hand brake.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Swift 2500/5200/6700 powered hand brakes

Andy Cich
 

I am building an assortment of Sunshine Swift 2500, 5200, and 6700 series
reefers. Some will have vertical brake staffs, and some will have powered
hand brakes.

I have found some photos of 5200 series cars with Miner hand brakes.

For the 2500 and 6700 series, I haven't found any B end photos of these cars
with powered hand brakes. What would be appropriate for these cars?


Thanks,

Andy Cich


Re: Truck questions

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Cars with archbar trucks and "K" brakes were interchanged between the Canadian railways freely into the 1960's. Some were stencilled "This car not to be loaded for destinations in the US".

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, MOFWCABOOSE@... wrote:


I can't speak on the freight car trucks, but arch bar trucks persisted for decades after the ban, under nonrevenue equipment that did not go off-line, and Fox trucks could also be seen under work equipment on a few railroads like the B&M. Even revenue cars, such as the "waycars" operated by the Maryland & Pennsylvania, had arch bars since these cars never left home rails. And some cabooses also had them, usually on short lines where slow speed operation was the norm, but also on some class one roads like the DM&IR.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL








-----Original Message-----
From: Panhandle Division 1953 <prrinvt@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 1:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Truck questions





Listers,

Looking for a 40ton truck; who makes the accepted best?

MofW inquiry, between 1950 - 1955 would the use of archbar trucks still be in use by class 1 RR's for maint. cars; and fox truck for shop cars that never go ouot on the main.

Fred Freitas









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Rhbale@...
 

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MKT Sloan Yellow

Rob M.
 

Good Evening,

Let's change colors.

I have a Chooch Ultra Scale kit of the MKT single sheathed car in Sloan Yellow:

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/814_mkt_katy_dble_box_car_yell.html

Shorpy has a Jack Delano Kodachrome of a similar car (not 7/7 ribs tho like the Chooch car) in Sloan Yellow in Galewood in 1943:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/704?size=_original

What sayeth STMFC about the color of the Shorpy car? Could it be Sloan yellow that has faded white and took on road grime in that short of a time since the car would have been repainted?

Or is it color shift or correction of the original?

Any and all help is appreciated!

Thanks,

Rob Mondichak


Re: Black Car Cement on roofs

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thanks Tim. I'm feeling better already.

I am astonished to learn that 'Aaarch' is not in the dictionary nor is 'Aargh' which was the word I really intended to use.

Gene

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
It's ok, Gene. Sit down... take a deep breath... open one of your
Railway Prototype Cyclopedias and start reading... Now doesn't that
feel better?

Tim O'Connor

Aaarch!!! I can't take it anymore. It is running board; not roof walk.
Please forgive this outburst.
Gene Green


Re: Truck questions

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, MOFWCABOOSE@... wrote:


I can't speak on the freight car trucks, but arch bar trucks persisted for decades after the ban, under nonrevenue equipment that did not go off-line, and Fox trucks could also be seen under work equipment on a few railroads like the B&M. Even revenue cars, such as the "waycars" operated by the Maryland & Pennsylvania, had arch bars since these cars never left home rails. And some cabooses also had them, usually on short lines where slow speed operation was the norm, but also on some class one roads like the DM&IR.
Until the first of the International Car Co. cabooses arrived in 1966 IIRC, the entire Soo Line caboose fleet rode on archbar trucks, either all steel rigid diamond archbar trucks equipped with leaf springs, or swing-motion archbar trucks with wood transoms.

During the same period most of the Soo's work equipment did NOT have archbar trucks, but only because those cars were still in revenue service when archbars were banned from interchange, so the cars were upgraded to Andrews trucks, and kept those when demoted to work service in the fifties, which they kept until retirement in the seventies and eighties.

Dennis


Re: Truck questions

MOFWCABOOSE@...
 

I can't speak on the freight car trucks, but arch bar trucks persisted for decades after the ban, under nonrevenue equipment that did not go off-line, and Fox trucks could also be seen under work equipment on a few railroads like the B&M. Even revenue cars, such as the "waycars" operated by the Maryland & Pennsylvania, had arch bars since these cars never left home rails. And some cabooses also had them, usually on short lines where slow speed operation was the norm, but also on some class one roads like the DM&IR.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Panhandle Division 1953 <prrinvt@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 1:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Truck questions





Listers,

Looking for a 40ton truck; who makes the accepted best?

MofW inquiry, between 1950 - 1955 would the use of archbar trucks still be in use by class 1 RR's for maint. cars; and fox truck for shop cars that never go ouot on the main.

Fred Freitas


Truck questions

Panhandle Division 1953 <prrinvt@...>
 

Listers,

Looking for a 40ton truck; who makes the accepted best?

MofW inquiry, between 1950 - 1955 would the use of archbar trucks still be in use by class 1 RR's for maint. cars; and fox truck for shop cars that never go ouot on the main.

Fred Freitas


Re: NYC wreck (was Black Car Cement on roofs)

rwitt_2000
 

Clark Propst wrote:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-elywrk-jrc.jpg

In the above photo it looks like the flooring has been replaced in the
doorway of the NYC box car. Unpainted wood?
Clark,

I would not find this unusual because after the introduction of loading
with forklifts the flooring by the doors took a real beating. Many cars
receive steel plates to cover this area. I know the B&ORR did this as
drawings exist showing these perforated steel plates.

Bob Witt


Re: Black Car Cement on roofs

Tim O'Connor
 

It's ok, Gene. Sit down... take a deep breath... open one of your
Railway Prototype Cyclopedias and start reading... Now doesn't that
feel better?

Tim O'Connor

Aaarch!!! I can't take it anymore. It is running board; not roof walk.
Please forgive this outburst.
Gene Green


Re: NYC wreck (was Black Car Cement on roofs)

Clark Propst
 

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-elywrk-jrc.jpg

In the above photo it looks like the flooring has been replaced in the doorway of the NYC box car. Unpainted wood?
Clark Propst


Re: Black Car Cement on roofs

tmolsen@...
 

I did not see the date until I went back to preview the wreck photos in the fallen flags grouping. Considering the amount of damage this drag was probably doing track speed at the time of the derailment which on that Division was probably 50 MPH for freight in 1950.

Hard to tell what caused it without the wreck report by the committee that investigated it. Committees were usually made up by supervisors from each of the railroad departments: track, mechanical, transportation and signals.

Having worked in the field as an operator, when something like this occurs, all you can do is hope that the cars do not drop into your lap before the whole shebang gets stopped. Most cases, it is safer to stay put than to try to get out and make a run for it! If you attempt to leave, there is a good chance that you could end up under one of the cars!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: Black Car Cement on roofs

tmolsen@...
 

The location of this wreck is given away in the title: Elyria Ohio on the Toledo Division. Unfortunately, there is no date!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: NYC wreck (was Black Car Cement on roofs)

Todd Horton
 

My thoughs exactly :-)  Todd Horton




________________________________
From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, July 31, 2010 11:16:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC wreck (was Black Car Cement on roofs)

 
Tim O'Connor:

How would you have liked to watch this whole wreck from the vantage of
that crossing guard's tower? :-)
Probably would have required a change of underwear afterward.

Tom Madden


Re: NYC wreck (was Black Car Cement on roofs)

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Tim O'Connor:

How would you have liked to watch this whole wreck from the vantage of
that crossing guard's tower? :-)
Probably would have required a change of underwear afterward.

Tom Madden


Re: NYC wreck (was Black Car Cement on roofs)

Tim O'Connor
 

The GATX tank car looks like it would be an easy kitbash from
the Red Caboose welded 10,000 gallon model -- it even has the
squared off handrails. The number looks like 76375 or something
close to it...

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-elywrk-grc.jpg

Tim O'

Tim and Tom,

80735 was a NYC car number. It was from the series 80500-80999. Which was NYC Lot no 742-B built in 1946/47 by ACF. According to Terry Link's Canada Southern site, it's a Branchline kit #1000C with 4/4 ends.

The steam loco is definately a 4-8-4 Niagara. As we can't read the road number, it is either the sole S-1a class engine #6000, or one of the S-1b class #6001 to 6025.

Regards,

Robert Bogie
Melbourne, Australia

93101 - 93120 of 185102