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Crandic Gons

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Warning, this may be off topic, ie too modern for this list. A friend is seeking information about a series of Gons, ie when were
they built, owned by the Crandic, the Cedar Rapids and Iowa City Railway, reporting marks CIC. The series is 320-324. They are not
listed in my April 1960 ORER (newest I have naturally), nor in any earlier editions I have. It is reported they do show in a 1971
ORER. It is possible they were acquired used, ie built before 1960.

As this looks to be a crystal ball gazing into the future, reply offlist to <doug.harding at iowacentralrr.org> I've been in
Brock's Jail, don't want to ever experience that frozen horror again.

Thanks.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


NYC auto car,1952 era

carl roberts
 

Hi All, My first post, hope all goes well. In a recent B&MRRHS news letter article,Dwight Smith mentions that new autos were shipped from Tarrytown, NY to No. New England in NYC automobile cars. Any one know if an HO model is correct or close for this? Thanks in advance, Carl Roberts


Re: news from Springfield

Tim O'Connor
 

You're right Mike, my bad. I hadn't looked at one in quite
a while, so I didn't remember they were already done that way.

Tim O'

At 1/31/2010 04:55 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor writes:


However, they have redone the ACF-Hart ballast hopper. The revised
version has better interior detail, and what appears to be all wire
grabirons. The list price was $24.95 if I recall correctly. They
had some new/revised paint schemes, such as a CB&Q repaint.
Tim,
Are we talking about the same car? I wrote an article [ blush ] in Ted
Culotta's Railroad Prototype Modeling, Vol One...A Tale of Two Hoppers...in
which I offered a "fix" to two very noticable problems with the Atlas
car...a UP HK-70-1...the lack of a bolster and center sill. The Atlas car
had wire grabs and interior detail.

Mike Brock


Re: news from Springfield

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tim O'Connor writes:


However, they have redone the ACF-Hart ballast hopper. The revised
version has better interior detail, and what appears to be all wire
grabirons. The list price was $24.95 if I recall correctly. They
had some new/revised paint schemes, such as a CB&Q repaint.
Tim,
Are we talking about the same car? I wrote an article [ blush ] in Ted Culotta's Railroad Prototype Modeling, Vol One...A Tale of Two Hoppers...in which I offered a "fix" to two very noticable problems with the Atlas car...a UP HK-70-1...the lack of a bolster and center sill. The Atlas car had wire grabs and interior detail.

Mike Brock


Re: news from Springfield

Tim O'Connor
 

:-)

Bruce, I'm not sure that was the car... could be. It was painted
in Shadow Keystone.

At 1/31/2010 02:42 PM Sunday, you wrote:
"Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net> 01/31/10 12:56 PM >>>
Atlas had a bunch of their "rebuilt" or "1932" box cars painted in
a number of bogus paint schemes, including PRR. It's just so goofy
I barely pay any attention to Atlas anymore...


Um Tim,

PRR did own ONE 1932 AAR boxcar, class X35, #36986, formerly ARA #3.

Regards
Bruce Smith


Model Railroad Open House - Saturday, February 6, 2010 - 6pm to 10 pm

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

All,



As has been my custom for the past several years, I will have an open house of my model railroad following the Timonium, MD show on Saturday, February 6, 2010 from 6 p.m. to 10 p.m.



The HO scale layout occupies a 3600 square foot basement and replicates the N&W Shenandoah Valley line between Front Royal and Waynesboro, VA, circa 1956.  In addition to period motive power and rolling stock, there are many scratchbuilt structures representing the area.



Please contact me off list ( jfbrewer@comcast.net ) if you need directions.  Hope to see you.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD


Re: news from Springfield

Bruce Smith
 

"Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net> 01/31/10 12:56 PM >>>
Atlas had a bunch of their "rebuilt" or "1932" box cars painted in
a number of bogus paint schemes, including PRR. It's just so goofy
I barely pay any attention to Atlas anymore...


Um Tim,

PRR did own ONE 1932 AAR boxcar, class X35, #36986, formerly ARA #3.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Keith Retterer email?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Does anyone have an email address for Keith Retterer that they could share with me, off-list, if appropriate.

Thanks,
Steve Hile


Re: Trucks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Strangely enough, many of these Red Ball trucks are still being produced
but by Bethlehem Car Works.<

I know that but these are molds from the 50s and it's really hard to change to .088 wheelsets. The level of detail, while great for their time, is a little downlevel compared to modern products.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


news from Springfield

Tim O'Connor
 

The most exciting STMFC item I saw at Springfield was a new
Kadee truck, in their new engineering plastic:

A 70 ton, Barber S-2A truck. Yowsuh! I can think of a few dozen
cars of mine that can use this truck.

Sam Clarke also showed me the re-done 50t ASF A-3, 50t Bettendorf,
and Arch Bar. So no more worries about see-through Kadee springs!
Sam said that all trucks in their line would be re-done this way.

( A couple of dealers griped to me about Kadee selling models at
the show at a discounted price -- undercutting their dealers! )

Atlas had a bunch of their "rebuilt" or "1932" box cars painted in
a number of bogus paint schemes, including PRR. It's just so goofy
I barely pay any attention to Atlas anymore...

However, they have redone the ACF-Hart ballast hopper. The revised
version has better interior detail, and what appears to be all wire
grabirons. The list price was $24.95 if I recall correctly. They
had some new/revised paint schemes, such as a CB&Q repaint.

I talked to Don Tichy about his "18 inch" plastic grabirons. I told
him they measure out at 22" long, and he seemed surprised. I said I
am sure he would sell more of them if he did actual 18" grabs so we
could easily replace grabs on older hopper cars (e.g. Athearn). Don
seemed positive that he could fix it -- I hope he does!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Exactrail shows Milwaukee rib-side

Tim O'Connor
 

The Ribside models all suffer from a poorly done roof. So this car
has a correct roof i.e. it includes actual seam caps. However Ribside
offers far more variations of the cars, and I think the EXR model was
painted in far too dark a color (while the Ribside cars are a bit on
the light side).

The car to compare it with is Intermountain's. Intermountain's mistakes
on their model may now have to be corrected. :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 1/31/2010 11:36 AM Sunday, you wrote:
At the Amherst show, Exactrail is showing a long ribbed 40' Milwaukee box. I do wonder how it will compare to Rib Side Car's various products.

Edward Sutorik


Re: Trucks

coltrans2002
 

Strangely enough, many of these Red Ball trucks are still being produced
but by Bethlehem Car Works.

http://www.bethlehemcarworks.com <http://www.bethlehemcarworks.com>;

Tom E. Thompson


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:

I just ran across some Red Ball sheets I have. In case TMW has a what
will I do next moment I thought I'd throw out some names that Red Ball
made.
I do admit that if made they may not sell more than a dozen pair<VBG>!

Taylor coil or leaf spring
Barber stabilized
Bettendorf heavy duty
Symington-Gould hi-speed
Simplex high speed timken

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Mechanical Refrigerator Car Commodities

Gary Roe
 

There is an article in the 08Feb1960 issue of Railway Age concerning
Mechanical Refrigerator Cars, and how they are managing to increase traffic.
While the article is beyond the cutoff for this list, it does state that
there were approximately 1200 RP cars in service in 1955. That number grew
to a little over 5100 by the end of 1959.

One part of the article I thought might be of interest to modelers, was the
list of commodities carried. This could help with filling out waybills for
operating sessions.

I don't know about you; but this was both enlightening and amusing to me.

NON-FROZEN
Apples
Apricots
Blood Plasma
Cake Flour
Candy
Celery
Celery Cabbage
Cheese
Chemicals
Chilled Citrus Fruit Juice
Cranberries
Escarole
Evergreens
Film
Flower Bulbs
Fruit Salad
Grapefruit
Green Beans
Green Corn
Hops
Lard
Lettuce
Meat
Mushroom Sperm
Oranges
Peaches
Pears
Plums
Potatoes
Romaine
Shrubbery
Tangerines
Tape-Masking, Recording, Scotch
Tomatoes
Vegetables-Mixed


FROZEN
Apples
Bakery Products
Banana Puree
Berries
Cherries
Chocolate Eclairs
Citrus Concentrate
Clams
Crab Meat
Eggs
Fish
Fish Sticks
Frog Legs
Fruit Juices
Glands
Grape Concentrate
Gravy-Giblet
Ice Cream
Lemonade
Lobster Tails
Malted Milk Concentrate
Meat
Milk
Melon Balls
Peaches
Pies-Beef and Chicken
Pimentos
Pineapple
Plums
Potatoes-French Fried
Potatoes-Sweet
Poultry
Scallops
Shrimp
Soup
Tomato Juice
Turkeys-Stuffed
Turtle Meat
TV Dinners
Vegetables
Waffles
Watermelon Rind

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Exactrail shows Milwaukee rib-side

spsalso
 

At the Amherst show, Exactrail is showing a long ribbed 40' Milwaukee box. I do wonder how it will compare to Rib Side Car's various products.

Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: SAL "Route of the Silver Meteor"...

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Matt,



I found the following post from the late Sam McCall (aka HOSAM) in my files.
I cannot attest to its accuracy but knowing his reputation, I would give it
serious weight. I will leave it to Denis Blake and others to vouch for its
accuracy.



Allen Cain



From: Southeastern Model Railroaders Forum [SMRF@LISTSERV.DARTMOUTH.EDU]

on behalf of samccall [sam@hosam.com]

Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:41 PM

To: SMRF@LISTSERV.DARTMOUTH.EDU

Subject: [SMRF] SAL "Silver Meteor" was Early Streamliner consists



Here are a few notes on the "Silver Meteor".



Silver Meteor introduced in February 1939 for the winter season. Left New
York, Penn Station at 3:30pm, arrived Miami, Fl. at 6:00pm the next day. A
26.5 hour schedule from New York to Miami via the PRR, RF&P& SAL. This
train was pulled by PRR's GG1's to Washington, DC. RF&P Engines from DC to
Richmond, Va. Here Seaboards EMD E4a #3006 took over to Miami. This engines
had a metal plate attached on the side that had the "Silver Meteor" painted
on it.



The E4's that pulled the "Orange Blossom Special" had the name painted on
the sides. All were originally painted in "Citrus Colors". The train was
lightweight coach only train. Budd built. See J.D. Thompson's earlier post
for the roster of coaches.



There is a picture on page 59 of the original coaches in R.W. Johnson's book
"Thru the Heart of the South" by Boston Mill Press. There are a few pictures
of #3006 on page 180 of Calloway/Withers book "Seaboard-Motive Power". Also
in same book page 184 is #3011 & #3012 with the "Silver Meteor" nameplate on
the sides.



In the winter of 1939 the Meteor was expanded to two trains. An east coast
section and a west coast section. Two new 7 car sets plus and additional
diner and 2 chair cars for the west coast section were added. This
permitted operation on a daily basis for the NY to Miami run and every third
day from NY to St. Petersburg. Running time was reduced to 25 hours from NY
to Miami, guess why???(ACL)



In 1941 Pullman sleepers were added to the train which had grown to 13 cars.
The train now consisted of the original 7 plus 2 lounge cars, an additional
diner and 3 sleepers.



In 1949 lightweight sleepers replaced the heavyweight Pullmans.



For the Steamers here is a tidbit: During 1940 the additional lightweight
equipment allowed daily operation of the Wildwood-St.Petersburg, Fl.
connection. SAL added some shrouds or streamlining to 4 class P 4-6-2's #
865-868. These were painted in a version of "Citrus Colors". They lasted
till mid WW2 when they were replaced by 4-8-2's. No repaints on these, just
standard black...Sam...


Re: Trucks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I have a PFE that I built when the Tichy kits first came out. Tony also did an article in RMC and I just looked and one of the cars has Simplex high speed timken (Red Ball) on it. If Tony is around he might chime in on which of the PFEs had these trucks.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Old PFE Reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
I think you're right that new or reconditioned cars in 1936 would have the enameled steel medalions applied without "System". Look at the photo on page 128. Do you agree that it has a steel medalion without "System" rather than stenciled? Perhaps Tony or Richard can confirm?
I've been at the Bay Area LD/OP SIGs meeting all day. Here's my comments. One: I have a good print of the photo on page 128 of the PFE book, and it is NOT an enameled medallion. Two: please consult the lettering diagram facing page 432 of the 2nd edition PFE book. You will note that "SYSTEM" has been removed, and the latest revision date of the drawing is 12-12-35.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Trucks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

In case TMW is paying some attention to this, I’m interested in some of these trucks.

SGL

Jon,

There might more of a market than you think. The /Taylor coil spring is a caboose truck for various roads.
Symington and Simplex haven't been readily available in some time. I admit, there other truck makers I might not be
aware of as yet. After 50 years in the hobby, things get fuzzy sometimes.

Fred Freitas

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Jon Miller <atsf@izap.com <mailto:atsf%40izap.com> > wrote:

From: Jon Miller <atsf@izap.com <mailto:atsf%40izap.com> >
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Trucks
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 5:12 PM



I just ran across some Red Ball sheets I have. In case TMW has a what
will I do next moment I thought I'd throw out some names that Red Ball made..
I do admit that if made they may not sell more than a dozen pair<VBG>!

Taylor coil or leaf spring
Barber stabilized
Bettendorf heavy duty
Symington-Gould hi-speed
Simplex high speed timken

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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Kadee parts

Schuyler Larrabee
 


I have never understood what the other Kadee 'bracket' or plate is
supposed to represent (upper left in the Kadee photo).
TBO'C

I always figured that it was a spacer to use when the bottom of the end sill was inconveniently too
high and the other part needed to be blocked down to the right height. If you look at the "mystery
part," there is a blank space where the upper flange of the bracket would fit neatly.

SGL
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Re: Trucks

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Jon,
 
       There might more of a market than you think. The /Taylor coil spring is a caboose truck for various roads.
Symington and Simplex haven't been readily available in some time. I admit, there other truck makers I might not be aware of as yet. After 50 years in the hobby, things get fuzzy sometimes.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Jon Miller <atsf@izap.com> wrote:


From: Jon Miller <atsf@izap.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Trucks
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 5:12 PM


 



I just ran across some Red Ball sheets I have. In case TMW has a what
will I do next moment I thought I'd throw out some names that Red Ball made.
I do admit that if made they may not sell more than a dozen pair<VBG>!

Taylor coil or leaf spring
Barber stabilized
Bettendorf heavy duty
Symington-Gould hi-speed
Simplex high speed timken

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS








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