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Photo Request: WAB 12500-12599

Benjamin Hom
 

Photo request forwared from Al Buchan.  Please reply to him off list at
abbuchan1 'at' comcast 'dot' net as he is not subscribed to STMFC.
 
Ben Hom

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Looking for a hi res photo of a Wabash gondola ca. 1959 in series 12500 to
12599.


If your photo is used you'll get a gratis copy of the PRRT&HS gondola book, due
out o/a Dec 2010.
 
 
Al Buchan

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Re: That Shorpy freight shed photo...

Thomas Baker
 

Steve,

There certainly is something for anyone interested in steam era freight cars. I am especially curious about ALTON car #17238. It appears to have had a recent shopping and has a radial roof, I think. I cannot determine whether the MKT car that has been the subject of so much discussion has "dirty" roof or a galvanized roof left unpainted. There is much more to discuss, but that's a start.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Steve Lucas
Sent: Tue 8/3/2010 11:47 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] That Shorpy freight shed photo...

There is so much else to see in this photo, which IMHO deserves a thread of its own. I like the piecemeal replacement of the running boards on the Pennsy boxcar in the lower left of the photo.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/704?size=_original

There literally is something for every STMFC modeller in many of Delano's photos. What a treasure trove they are!

Steve Lucas.



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That Shorpy freight shed photo...

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

There is so much else to see in this photo, which IMHO deserves a thread of its own. I like the piecemeal replacement of the running boards on the Pennsy boxcar in the lower left of the photo.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/704?size=_original

There literally is something for every STMFC modeller in many of Delano's photos. What a treasure trove they are!

Steve Lucas.


Re: Reefer tack boards

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I've seen a few cars with "DO NOT HUMP" placards on these placard boards. But again, this never was an issue with a reefer...

Reminds me of that cartoon in MR years ago--"He spotted a reefer at the stock pen? And with the ice hatches open!" ;)

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@> wrote:

A friend is building one of those URTX flat ended reefers with the double door latch bars and noticed the photos show no end tack boards. He asked why. I noticed some time ago that Armour PCX cars didn't have them either.

Next question. What was the purpose of the end tack boards?

Clark Propst
That's a good question. Somewhere I recall seeing a drawing (which I can't find with just a cursory search) that called these "explosives card boards". And really, other than "unload other end " cards for cars with end doors, I can't think of another use. The AAR, of course, recommended their application, and I suppose that a reefer without them could not be legally loaded with explosives, since the car could not be properly placarded. Then again, If you are the reefer's owner, maybe this is a good thing :-)

Dennis


Re: Reefer tack boards

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

A friend is building one of those URTX flat ended reefers with the double door latch bars and noticed the photos show no end tack boards. He asked why. I noticed some time ago that Armour PCX cars didn't have them either.

Next question. What was the purpose of the end tack boards?

Clark Propst
That's a good question. Somewhere I recall seeing a drawing (which I can't find with just a cursory search) that called these "explosives card boards". And really, other than "unload other end " cards for cars with end doors, I can't think of another use. The AAR, of course, recommended their application, and I suppose that a reefer without them could not be legally loaded with explosives, since the car could not be properly placarded. Then again, If you are the reefer's owner, maybe this is a good thing :-)

Dennis


Re: Reefer tack boards

Clark Propst
 

A friend is building one of those URTX flat ended reefers with the double door latch bars and noticed the photos show no end tack boards. He asked why. I noticed some time ago that Armour PCX cars didn't have them either.

Next question. What was the purpose of the end tack boards?

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
I've found so far are NWX and TRAX (Armour) -- multiple
examples of each! Have you found others?

Tim O'Connor


SP lettering

rdietrichson
 

Gentlemen,
On the recently released N scale Trainworx GS gons, one of the models has Southern Pacific spelled out on the right end of the car along with the SP logo, my question is, when did the SP start using this lettering scheme?
Thanks,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Reefer tack boards

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes -- several NWX and Armour.

Tim O', could you clarify: you've found steel-ended reefers without end tack boards?

-- tia --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Clark

I'm surprised that cars with steel ends would be lacking tack boards on their
ends. The only owners I've found so far are NWX and TRAX (Armour) -- multiple
examples of each! Have you found others?

Tim O'Connor


At 8/2/2010 09:53 AM Monday, you wrote:
Some reefers don't seem to have tack boards on the ends of the car. Any reason?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: B&O Caboose Photos 1930s - 1950s?

cinderandeight@...
 

Chris,
Your email address doesn't seem to be working. Contact me off list if
you are interested in what B&O caboose photos I have.
Rich Burg


Re: Reefers at the brewery, Pittsburgh early 1900s

al_brown03
 

Wow, that's cool. Does the riverboat not have paddlewheels?

-- oops, well, I guess one could ship paddlewheels on a big enough STMFC --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "scottpitzer2002" <scottp459@...> wrote:

Also Erie and PRR Union Line box cars
http://www.shorpy.com/node/8634?size=_original

Scott Pitzer


Re: Reefer tack boards

al_brown03
 

Tim O', could you clarify: you've found steel-ended reefers without end tack boards?

-- tia --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Clark

I'm surprised that cars with steel ends would be lacking tack boards of their
ends. The only owners I've found so far are NWX and TRAX (Armour) -- multiple
examples of each! Have you found others?

Tim O'Connor


At 8/2/2010 09:53 AM Monday, you wrote:
Some reefers don't seem to have tack boards on the ends of the car. Any reason?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Reefers at the brewery, Pittsburgh early 1900s

Scott Pitzer
 

Also Erie and PRR Union Line box cars
http://www.shorpy.com/node/8634?size=_original

Scott Pitzer


Re: Reefer tack boards

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

I'm surprised that cars with steel ends would be lacking tack boards of their
ends. The only owners I've found so far are NWX and TRAX (Armour) -- multiple
examples of each! Have you found others?

Tim O'Connor

At 8/2/2010 09:53 AM Monday, you wrote:
Some reefers don't seem to have tack boards on the ends of the car. Any reason?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Trucks ?

Panhandle Division 1953 <prrinvt@...>
 

Listers,

My thanks to all who responded to my question; I can now proceed with the plans at hand.

Fred Freitas


B&O Caboose Photos 1930s - 1950s?

ltctilley <ltctilley@...>
 

Hi and thanks for all the great info you send into my home!

I am looking for a few photos of B&O cabooses or contact info for commercial sources that might have some that I can publish. I am working a couple of HO scale kitbash articles for the B&O Modeler e-zine. I have searched everything I can find online including the B&O Yahoo group and the excellent fallen flags site. I am specifically looking for B&O C-2500 (I-7) C-18XX (I-13) or C-23XX (I-16 class).

I have heard of Bob's photos, but a search on that name turned up about 100 possibilities. Can anybody point me in the right direction?

I really appreciate the insight this group provides on how STMFCs were built and how the various makes/classes differ.
thanks again
Chris Tilley
Pittsboro, NC


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Thomas Baker
 

Is Sloan yellow the same tone of yellow as what has been called "chrome yellow"?

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com on behalf of proto48er
Sent: Mon 8/2/2010 2:52 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Guys -

I vote for the richer color of the car on the Chooch website as being very close to the true color of a freshly painted Sloan yellow car.

I have two boards from old M-K-T wood boxcars which were in protected locations on the cars (under the roof or under another board), and the yellow of the Chooch car is closer to the protected ("newer") color on each of those boards.

In my opinion, the Shorpy photo represents a car with about 6 years of weathering. It was probably painted in 1937.

Bruce Blalock's paint may have shifted color in the can over the years, and he matched the duller color. However, he should have some boards with actual old paint on them, since he has one of the oldest wood M-K-T cabooses still extant at his B&B. I had a can of SP/T&NO green shingle stain from 1945 or so, and it color shifted in a sealed, never opened 5-gallon can.

In the long run, it is a matter of personal choice which colors are correct and which are not.

A.T. Kott




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Re: Atlas 11,000 gallon tank car disassembly

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

It's so easy, even someone who can't count to two can do it!  There are TWO
small screws attaching the center sill to the tank.  There are three, more
deeply recessed screws, that apparently hold the upper and lower tank sections
together.  I did not attempt to remove those screws.

I guess I have counted too many rivets to be able to count screws correctly!

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ




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From: LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@verizon.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 5:57:40 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Atlas 11,000 gallon tank car disassembly

 
It's very easy -- remove the three small Phillips-head screws in the center
sill.  I removed the truck screws first (straight-blade) so I don't know whether

they have to be.  Everything on the undecorated car is press fit -- dome
platform, handrails (two pieces), ladder, brake ratchet.  The dome is press-fit
too, so it's easy to paint white.  I'm working on a Gas-Oil Products (GOPX) car
for which Jerry Glow developed decals.   See: 
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/GOPX.jpg

The only significant flaw with the model is the "tank anchor" is molded on the
running board.  I forgot to add plates to the tank before I painted it.

On the car I'm working on, the reservoir needs to be relocated to the other side

directly under the AB valve.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ

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From: "richtownsend@netscape.net" <richtownsend@netscape.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 5:03:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Atlas 11,000 gallon tank car disassembly

 
I am about to undertake a kitbash of an Atlas 11,000 gallon tank car. Before I
do much damage I thought I would ask if anyone has any experience/suggestions
regarding removing the tank from the frame.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Rob M.
 

I did look again at the circa 2009 photo of the box car here:

http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/TexiKan/?action=view¤t=IMG_2293.jpg

And there is some much brighter yellow bleeding out. A.T., does it look like your board?

Unfortunately I'm not too close to Smithville TX to see Bruce's caboose.

So it seems that I need to be asking the KATY folks how often to expect these cars to be repainted. I am modeling the post-WWII era so it would be conceivable that these cars would be repainted at least once before their scrapping in the 50's.

Thanks for the help guys and Gene if you ever get a chance to post that sample somewhere I'd appreciate it so that I might hack at some color matching.

Rob Mondichak.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene" <losgatos48@...> wrote:

A.T.
Your point on Blalock's sample being off may very well be correct. The color is rather a dull golden yellow. However, you get to tell him that fact.

Gene Deimling


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "proto48er" <atkott@> wrote:

Guys -

I vote for the richer color of the car on the Chooch website as being very close to the true color of a freshly painted Sloan yellow car.

I have two boards from old M-K-T wood boxcars which were in protected locations on the cars (under the roof or under another board), and the yellow of the Chooch car is closer to the protected ("newer") color on each of those boards.

In my opinion, the Shorpy photo represents a car with about 6 years of weathering. It was probably painted in 1937.

Bruce Blalock's paint may have shifted color in the can over the years, and he matched the duller color. However, he should have some boards with actual old paint on them, since he has one of the oldest wood M-K-T cabooses still extant at his B&B. I had a can of SP/T&NO green shingle stain from 1945 or so, and it color shifted in a sealed, never opened 5-gallon can.

In the long run, it is a matter of personal choice which colors are correct and which are not.

A.T. Kott


Re: Atlas 11,000 gallon tank car disassembly

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

It's very easy -- remove the three small Phillips-head screws in the center
sill.  I removed the truck screws first (straight-blade) so I don't know whether
they have to be.  Everything on the undecorated car is press fit -- dome
platform, handrails (two pieces), ladder, brake ratchet.  The dome is press-fit
too, so it's easy to paint white.  I'm working on a Gas-Oil Products (GOPX) car
for which Jerry Glow developed decals.   See: 
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/GOPX.jpg

The only significant flaw with the model is the "tank anchor" is molded on the
running board.  I forgot to add plates to the tank before I painted it.

On the car I'm working on, the reservoir needs to be relocated to the other side
directly under the AB valve.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ




________________________________
From: "richtownsend@netscape.net" <richtownsend@netscape.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 5:03:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Atlas 11,000 gallon tank car disassembly

 
I am about to undertake a kitbash of an Atlas 11,000 gallon tank car. Before I
do much damage I thought I would ask if anyone has any experience/suggestions
regarding removing the tank from the frame.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Gene <losgatos48@...>
 

A.T.
Your point on Blalock's sample being off may very well be correct. The color is rather a dull golden yellow. However, you get to tell him that fact.

Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:

Guys -

I vote for the richer color of the car on the Chooch website as being very close to the true color of a freshly painted Sloan yellow car.

I have two boards from old M-K-T wood boxcars which were in protected locations on the cars (under the roof or under another board), and the yellow of the Chooch car is closer to the protected ("newer") color on each of those boards.

In my opinion, the Shorpy photo represents a car with about 6 years of weathering. It was probably painted in 1937.

Bruce Blalock's paint may have shifted color in the can over the years, and he matched the duller color. However, he should have some boards with actual old paint on them, since he has one of the oldest wood M-K-T cabooses still extant at his B&B. I had a can of SP/T&NO green shingle stain from 1945 or so, and it color shifted in a sealed, never opened 5-gallon can.

In the long run, it is a matter of personal choice which colors are correct and which are not.

A.T. Kott

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