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Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Garth Groff wrote:
Color shift becomes more extreme with lower ASA films, which are also more color-saturated. I used both Kodachrome and Ektachrome in various ASA speeds when I was a military photographer. The red was much more apparent with Kodachrome 25 than with the 100 ASA version, or the blue with Ektachrome 64 vs. 400. If your friend was using fast film (as I would expect when loaded for trains in motion), the differences between the two types were probably not as obvious.
I don't know what speed film it was, but we were shooting lineside structures and freight cars, not moving trains. I have an older friend who remembers the films with ASA 10 and 12. He says "they had a nerve calling it a film SPEED."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tony,

Color shift becomes more extreme with lower ASA films, which are also
more color-saturated. I used both Kodachrome and Ektachrome in various
ASA speeds when I was a military photographer. The red was much more
apparent with Kodachrome 25 than with the 100 ASA version, or the blue
with Ektachrome 64 vs. 400. If your friend was using fast film (as I
would expect when loaded for trains in motion), the differences between
the two types were probably not as obvious.

Kodachrome 25 actually used to be considered "fast". In the 1940s Kodak
made it in ASA 12, which was very saturated and more red shifted. I once
used some Kodak photomicography film at ASA 6 which shifted everything
to purple.

Of course, the higher speed films tended to be grainier, especially if
processed at tap water temperatures. Tri-X 400 in Dektol at room
temperature could produce grain particles that looked like hailstones!
We always sent our color out, since none of the labs I ever used had
working chillers, if they had them at all.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff



Anthony Thompson wrote:


I've spoken to several archivists around the country about
this film stability issue. They all agreed (and so do published
accounts) that Ektachrome is no more prone to color shift than
Kodachrome WHEN properly stored (the traditional cool, dark place).
But it IS true that Ektachrome suffers more from light exposure over
the years (that's why you were always advised NOT to use your original
slides in slide shows, but to make dupes to give talks).
A Pittsburgh friend of mine took several railfan photos using
two camera backs, one with Kodachrome and one with Ektachrome, of the
same subjects on a bright, sunny day. The slides looked awfully
similar, without much evidence of the famous "warmth" of Kodachrome or
the "blues" of Ektachrome. I think this color bias can be overstated.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: 46 ft. Flatcars?

David Sieber
 

Gentlemen,

Going through old STMFC postings (always fun, learn something every time), I found this topic as above. Edwin C. Kirstatter wrote: "I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and unusual size. [snip] Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?"

Several people responded with info on 45-46ft flatcars owned by C&NW, CN, CP, IC, and L&N (also TC 2701-series, but those were USRA 42-footers). I remembered that the MILW also had some of these uncommon-length flatcars, so I dug out the Richard Hendrickson article in Prototype Modeler Nov-Dec 83 on the Milwaukee's two series of 45ft9in (over strikers) flats:
- MILW 63001-63999 (odd #s only) 500 cars blt Ryan Car Co 1925
- MILW 600000-600349 350 cars blt Ryan Car Co 1929

Both series had riveted steel fishbelly underframes and side sills, with 12 pressed steel stake pockets, URECO drop brakewheels, and Dalman and Bettendorf trucks, respectively. The article included freight car diagrams for both series, but no prototype photos. Richard noted that "most of these flatcars remained in revenue service through the 1940s and 1950s, and a few were still active in the late 1960s."

He'd modeled this car by shortening an Athearn 50ft flatcar by 42 scale inches (including one stake pocket), to get a slightly long, but otherwise close representation of the prototype flatcar. The photo of his model showed a nice-looking car that would be a good use for those Athearn 50-footers that I suspect many of us have sitting idle in a blue box on a shelf somewhere. Dr. Hendrickson's early articles and WestRail conversion kits were pioneering efforts in prototype modeling that helped start the long and continuing process that has brought us to the abundance of prototypical models that we now enjoy, and he has continued to share his knowledge with us all to this day - many thanks, Richard!

Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
I don't know where folks get the idea that Kodachrome doesn't color shift! We've been over this ground before on STMFC, and as I keep on saying, ALL films have some color bias. Additionally, while Kodachrome was far more stable than other formulations such as Ectachrome (which was blue/green biased), stability varied . . .
I've spoken to several archivists around the country about this film stability issue. They all agreed (and so do published accounts) that Ektachrome is no more prone to color shift than Kodachrome WHEN properly stored (the traditional cool, dark place). But it IS true that Ektachrome suffers more from light exposure over the years (that's why you were always advised NOT to use your original slides in slide shows, but to make dupes to give talks).
A Pittsburgh friend of mine took several railfan photos using two camera backs, one with Kodachrome and one with Ektachrome, of the same subjects on a bright, sunny day. The slides looked awfully similar, without much evidence of the famous "warmth" of Kodachrome or the "blues" of Ektachrome. I think this color bias can be overstated.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Gene <losgatos48@...>
 

Rob
I did the masters and pilot model (yellow only). The decals were done by Bruce Blalock and printed by Thinfilm many years ago.

The use of Sloan Yellow came about before WWII and probably did fade quickly when exposed to the elements.

Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rule292@...> wrote:

Thank You Gene! And thanks to all for your help.

I could have sworn I saw that you did the masters for Chooch but I couldn't find it in the instructions or online. This being said, I almost posted on P:48 modeler but I think I used up my quota of questions for the week on your site. :-).

I know that yellow fades relatively fast and I have pictures of PRR and PC work equipment that I noticed faded real fast.

I just wondered since that photo was taken in 1943 whether it had faded that quickly given the paint chemisty of the the era. And I compared the online picture of the Shorpy car versus the Chooch site and hmmmmm. I couldn't find the original on the LOC web site which was my next move since the info on the Shorpy site says that images may be corrected.

I found an interesting use for those cars online. Kansas farmhand house:

http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/TexiKan/?action=view¤t=IMG_2293.jpg

Rob Mondichak

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene" <losgatos48@> wrote:

Rob
The color shown on the Chooch website was shifted by the lighting. The photo of the car end is much closer to the color sample provided to me by Bruce Blalock. He found some original paint at the Katy shops many years ago and had some paint mixed to match the original. I have a board painted with the paint. I can scan it and post the color.

Gene Deimling


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rule292@> wrote:

Good Evening,

Let's change colors.

I have a Chooch Ultra Scale kit of the MKT single sheathed car in Sloan Yellow:

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/814_mkt_katy_dble_box_car_yell.html

Shorpy has a Jack Delano Kodachrome of a similar car (not 7/7 ribs tho like the Chooch car) in Sloan Yellow in Galewood in 1943:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/704?size=_original

What sayeth STMFC about the color of the Shorpy car? Could it be Sloan yellow that has faded white and took on road grime in that short of a time since the car would have been repainted?

Or is it color shift or correction of the original?

Any and all help is appreciated!

Thanks,

Rob Mondichak


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Rob M.
 

Thank You Gene! And thanks to all for your help.

I could have sworn I saw that you did the masters for Chooch but I couldn't find it in the instructions or online. This being said, I almost posted on P:48 modeler but I think I used up my quota of questions for the week on your site. :-).

I know that yellow fades relatively fast and I have pictures of PRR and PC work equipment that I noticed faded real fast.

I just wondered since that photo was taken in 1943 whether it had faded that quickly given the paint chemisty of the the era. And I compared the online picture of the Shorpy car versus the Chooch site and hmmmmm. I couldn't find the original on the LOC web site which was my next move since the info on the Shorpy site says that images may be corrected.

I found an interesting use for those cars online. Kansas farmhand house:

http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/TexiKan/?action=view¤t=IMG_2293.jpg

Rob Mondichak

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene" <losgatos48@...> wrote:

Rob
The color shown on the Chooch website was shifted by the lighting. The photo of the car end is much closer to the color sample provided to me by Bruce Blalock. He found some original paint at the Katy shops many years ago and had some paint mixed to match the original. I have a board painted with the paint. I can scan it and post the color.

Gene Deimling


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rule292@> wrote:

Good Evening,

Let's change colors.

I have a Chooch Ultra Scale kit of the MKT single sheathed car in Sloan Yellow:

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/814_mkt_katy_dble_box_car_yell.html

Shorpy has a Jack Delano Kodachrome of a similar car (not 7/7 ribs tho like the Chooch car) in Sloan Yellow in Galewood in 1943:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/704?size=_original

What sayeth STMFC about the color of the Shorpy car? Could it be Sloan yellow that has faded white and took on road grime in that short of a time since the car would have been repainted?

Or is it color shift or correction of the original?

Any and all help is appreciated!

Thanks,

Rob Mondichak


Re: Reefer tack boards

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Clark,
 
        Good question !  Were the company owned devoid of tack boards, and the leased cars equiped with them?  Now you've got me searching for that answer.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Clark and Eileen <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


From: Clark and Eileen <cepropst@q.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Reefer tack boards
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 9:53 AM


 



Some reefers don't seem to have tack boards on the ends of the car. Any reason?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Gene <losgatos48@...>
 

Rob
The color shown on the Chooch website was shifted by the lighting. The photo of the car end is much closer to the color sample provided to me by Bruce Blalock. He found some original paint at the Katy shops many years ago and had some paint mixed to match the original. I have a board painted with the paint. I can scan it and post the color.

Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rule292@...> wrote:

Good Evening,

Let's change colors.

I have a Chooch Ultra Scale kit of the MKT single sheathed car in Sloan Yellow:

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/814_mkt_katy_dble_box_car_yell.html

Shorpy has a Jack Delano Kodachrome of a similar car (not 7/7 ribs tho like the Chooch car) in Sloan Yellow in Galewood in 1943:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/704?size=_original

What sayeth STMFC about the color of the Shorpy car? Could it be Sloan yellow that has faded white and took on road grime in that short of a time since the car would have been repainted?

Or is it color shift or correction of the original?

Any and all help is appreciated!

Thanks,

Rob Mondichak


MKT Sloan Yellow

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

I don't know where folks get the idea that Kodachrome doesn't color
shift! We've been over this ground before on STMFC, and as I keep on
saying, ALL films have some color bias. My father was a research
chemist at Eastman Kodak Co for most of his career and he worked on
film chemistry most of that time. He indicates that Kodachrome was
(intentionally) red biased, to make pictures look "warmer". As Paul
Simon said "... it makes all the world a sunny day...".
Additionally, while Kodachrome was far more stable than other
formulations such as Ectachrome (which was blue/green biased),
stability varied and was a constant research issue in my father's
laboratory.

Remeber that professor/doctor Smith wore yellow and red underwear!

The yellow in the picture (which was used in long lost Ted's callender) looks pretty realistic to me. Sometimes the vehicle in paints turned white after a few years making the color seem a lot duller. This is pretty evident with box car red; the iron oxide pigment isn't changing color.

Ed


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Bruce Smith
 

On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

Rob--

I don't suspect a colour shift, as Delano used Kodachrome. Its colour dyes are known to be very stable. Colour reproduction on a computer monitor might change how you see the colour, though.
Steve,

I don't know where folks get the idea that Kodachrome doesn't color shift! We've been over this ground before on STMFC, and as I keep on saying, ALL films have some color bias. My father was a research chemist at Eastman Kodak Co for most of his career and he worked on film chemistry most of that time. He indicates that Kodachrome was (intentionally) red biased, to make pictures look "warmer". As Paul Simon said "... it makes all the world a sunny day...". Additionally, while Kodachrome was far more stable than other formulations such as Ectachrome (which was blue/green biased), stability varied and was a constant research issue in my father's laboratory.

Regards
Bruce

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Reefer tack boards

Clark Propst
 

Some reefers don't seem to have tack boards on the ends of the car. Any reason?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

sunbeam13n14
 

Rob -

"Sloan Yellow" was a far richer hue than the Delano photograph indicates.
If you can locate a copy, "Missouri Kansas Texas Lines in Color" by Raymond George, Jr. has many color photographs of Katy equipment from M.O.W. through Superintendents's inspection vehicles.
Barring that, try the Katy RR Historical site online at www.katyrailroad.org. The yellow highlighted backgrounds on their website are closer in hue than the Shorpy photos. There is a picture of a Katy Drover's caboose (No.342, I think) in Sloan Yellow albeit fairly weather-beaten on that site.
Don't hesitate to contact the society. Members have a wealth of data they can point you to.

Happy hunting.
Frank

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rule292@...> wrote:

Good Evening,

Let's change colors.

I have a Chooch Ultra Scale kit of the MKT single sheathed car in Sloan Yellow:

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/814_mkt_katy_dble_box_car_yell.html

Shorpy has a Jack Delano Kodachrome of a similar car (not 7/7 ribs tho like the Chooch car) in Sloan Yellow in Galewood in 1943:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/704?size=_original

What sayeth STMFC about the color of the Shorpy car? Could it be Sloan yellow that has faded white and took on road grime in that short of a time since the car would have been repainted?

Or is it color shift or correction of the original?

Any and all help is appreciated!

Thanks,

Rob Mondichak


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

That's a great photo. I am curious about the four cars in the mid-distance, just to left of the photo's center. They are two related tanks with black domes and silver ends, one with a black body and the other white. They are followed by a black boxcar, and finally a yellow single-sheathed boxcar (M&W or C&IM?).

I also find that newly-painted Alton car just in front of the MKT car rather remarkable for its pristine condition. I wonder just how long it had been out of the shop.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

Steve Lucas wrote:

Rob--

I don't suspect a colour shift, as Delano used Kodachrome. Its colour dyes are known to be very stable. Colour reproduction on a computer monitor might change how you see the colour, though.
Yellow was probably a poor choice of colour for an STMFC, as road grime would quickly accumulate on a car. Yellow paint would show this faster than red oxide--like in this Delano photo. I do think that there is a bit of fading of that yellow paint, too.

Red oxide was a far cheaper paint than yellow for an STMFC. CN looked at painting its freight cars a colour other than red oxide in 1959-60, and was told that to use another colour would mean doubling the cost of freight car painting.

And as I look at the Delano freight yard photos, I think--"I want this car, and that car, and that car over there..." Jack Delano must never have thought that STMFC modellers 70 years later would be studying his photos so, so carefully...
Steve Lucas.


Re: MKT Sloan Yellow

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Rob--

I don't suspect a colour shift, as Delano used Kodachrome. Its colour dyes are known to be very stable. Colour reproduction on a computer monitor might change how you see the colour, though.

Yellow was probably a poor choice of colour for an STMFC, as road grime would quickly accumulate on a car. Yellow paint would show this faster than red oxide--like in this Delano photo. I do think that there is a bit of fading of that yellow paint, too.

Red oxide was a far cheaper paint than yellow for an STMFC. CN looked at painting its freight cars a colour other than red oxide in 1959-60, and was told that to use another colour would mean doubling the cost of freight car painting.

And as I look at the Delano freight yard photos, I think--"I want this car, and that car, and that car over there..." Jack Delano must never have thought that STMFC modellers 70 years later would be studying his photos so, so carefully...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rule292@...> wrote:

Good Evening,

Let's change colors.

I have a Chooch Ultra Scale kit of the MKT single sheathed car in Sloan Yellow:

http://www.choochenterprises.com/html/814_mkt_katy_dble_box_car_yell.html

Shorpy has a Jack Delano Kodachrome of a similar car (not 7/7 ribs tho like the Chooch car) in Sloan Yellow in Galewood in 1943:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/704?size=_original

What sayeth STMFC about the color of the Shorpy car? Could it be Sloan yellow that has faded white and took on road grime in that short of a time since the car would have been repainted?

Or is it color shift or correction of the original?

Any and all help is appreciated!

Thanks,

Rob Mondichak


O Scale 2 rail train show

Rich Yoder
 

We look forward to seeing all of you O scale modelers at the show

Attending dealers and table holders are listed below.



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Saturday August 7th at the Strasburg PA Fire Company

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We are having our mid summer Swap meet and train show.

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Re: Truck questions

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

The GN had a large number of arch bar truck equipped box cars and flats in MOW service still by merger time in 1970.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Panhandle Division 1953
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Truck questions



Listers,

Looking for a 40ton truck; who makes the accepted best?

MofW inquiry, between 1950 - 1955 would the use of archbar trucks still be in use by class 1 RR's for maint. cars; and fox truck for shop cars that never go ouot on the main.

Fred Freitas


Re: Swift 2500/5200/6700 powered hand brakes

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 1, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Andy Cich wrote:

I am building an assortment of Sunshine Swift 2500, 5200, and 6700
series
reefers. Some will have vertical brake staffs, and some will have
powered
hand brakes.

I have found some photos of 5200 series cars with Miner hand brakes.

For the 2500 and 6700 series, I haven't found any B end photos of
these cars
with powered hand brakes. What would be appropriate for these cars?
Andy,
Photos of 2578, 2768, and 2976 show vertical staff hand brakes, all
from Bob's Photo. In case this is of interest, 5446 had an Equipco per
W.C. Whittaker photo 4-54. 5423 had a vertical staff hand brake and
5742 had an Ajax per photos in Gene Green's Refrigerator Car Color
Guide. I don't have any photos of 6700-series that show the hand brake.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Swift 2500/5200/6700 powered hand brakes

Andy Cich
 

I am building an assortment of Sunshine Swift 2500, 5200, and 6700 series
reefers. Some will have vertical brake staffs, and some will have powered
hand brakes.

I have found some photos of 5200 series cars with Miner hand brakes.

For the 2500 and 6700 series, I haven't found any B end photos of these cars
with powered hand brakes. What would be appropriate for these cars?


Thanks,

Andy Cich


Re: Truck questions

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Cars with archbar trucks and "K" brakes were interchanged between the Canadian railways freely into the 1960's. Some were stencilled "This car not to be loaded for destinations in the US".

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, MOFWCABOOSE@... wrote:


I can't speak on the freight car trucks, but arch bar trucks persisted for decades after the ban, under nonrevenue equipment that did not go off-line, and Fox trucks could also be seen under work equipment on a few railroads like the B&M. Even revenue cars, such as the "waycars" operated by the Maryland & Pennsylvania, had arch bars since these cars never left home rails. And some cabooses also had them, usually on short lines where slow speed operation was the norm, but also on some class one roads like the DM&IR.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL








-----Original Message-----
From: Panhandle Division 1953 <prrinvt@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 1:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Truck questions





Listers,

Looking for a 40ton truck; who makes the accepted best?

MofW inquiry, between 1950 - 1955 would the use of archbar trucks still be in use by class 1 RR's for maint. cars; and fox truck for shop cars that never go ouot on the main.

Fred Freitas









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