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Re: scanning & printing

Mark
 

That is the same one we use at home. Simply the best and first Canon!
Mark Morgan

--- On Tue, 9/7/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] scanning & printing
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com, MFCL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 6:51 PM







 









Freight car fans



Once in a while the subject of scanners/printers comes up and

I thought this item might be of interest -- a $32 all-in-one (it

is $40 if you buy it at the store like I did). I bought one for my

daughter to have at college and when she showed me a picture she'd

taken with her camera phone and printed, I was astounded how good

it was! These devices are so cheap that it actually costs LESS to

throw out the machine when the toner runs out, and buy a new machine!

(Not an exaggeration.)



http://www.walmart.com/ip/Canon-Pixma-MP250-Photo-All-In-One-Inkjet-Printer-Copier-Scanner/12534987



Anyway this thing is so cheap and simple (and portable) that I'll

get one just for the workshop... maybe to make some quick decals. :-)



Obviously this isn't good enough for archival scans and prints but

it might be a handy workshop "tool".



With the copier feature, I can make tape cutting masks easily too!

No more driving to Staples to copy them.



Tim O'Connor

























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scanning & printing

Tim O'Connor
 

Freight car fans

Once in a while the subject of scanners/printers comes up and
I thought this item might be of interest -- a $32 all-in-one (it
is $40 if you buy it at the store like I did). I bought one for my
daughter to have at college and when she showed me a picture she'd
taken with her camera phone and printed, I was astounded how good
it was! These devices are so cheap that it actually costs LESS to
throw out the machine when the toner runs out, and buy a new machine!
(Not an exaggeration.)

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Canon-Pixma-MP250-Photo-All-In-One-Inkjet-Printer-Copier-Scanner/12534987

Anyway this thing is so cheap and simple (and portable) that I'll
get one just for the workshop... maybe to make some quick decals. :-)

Obviously this isn't good enough for archival scans and prints but
it might be a handy workshop "tool".

With the copier feature, I can make tape cutting masks easily too!
No more driving to Staples to copy them.

Tim O'Connor


Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

PBowers
 

A photo of one of the stock cars can be found at http://railwaymuseum.ab.ca/node/17#172755
PBB

At 09:05 AM 07/09/2010, Rich C wrote:
Peter,

I have a fleet of Westerfield Fowler Patent CNR stock cars that have the vertical slat doors, and after reading your note, checked them. Whew, I was relieved to find the ones that are appropriate have the X braced doors and I won't have to tear my models apart to correct them. Can you provide any prototype pictures of this X braced door design so folks can see what you refer to?

Rich Chrysler
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Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

PBowers
 

At 09:05 AM 07/09/2010, Rich C wrote:
Peter,

I have a fleet of Westerfield Fowler Patent CNR stock cars that have the vertical slat doors, and after reading your note, checked them. Whew, I was relieved to find the ones that are appropriate have the X braced doors and I won't have to tear my models apart to correct them. Can you provide any prototype pictures of this X braced door design so folks can see what you refer to?

Rich Chrysler
Peter Bowers

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Re: Cambria and Indiana Freight Car Information

cr6485 <bbandbrr@...>
 

Al,

Thank you so much. This helps incredibly.

Keith

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Some published photos:

C&I 5060 in service, Model Railroading 4/89, p 22

C&I 583 in service, Henderson, "Classic Freight Cars" vol 4, p 12

C&I 823 in service, Classic Trains Wi/03 p 85

C&I 372 in service; C&I 4634, 599, 600 builders'; all RP CYC 4 pp 92-93

C&I 1035 in service, Karig, "Coal Cars: The First 300 Years", p 359; C&I 5067, 454, 911 in service, same book, p 319

C&I 2516, 3059 in service, RMJ 2/02 pp 25-26

C&I 372, 747 in service; C&I 600, 599 builders'; RMJ 8/06 pp 45-49

C&I 4804 in service, Kline and Culotta, "Postwar Freight Car Fleet", p 162

-- hth --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Roger Hinman <rhinman@> wrote:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/photo/hopkinspdfmain.html

There's one photo available in the Chas Wales collection

Roger Hinman
On Sep 3, 2010, at 2:54 PM, cr6485 wrote:

This may not be the most-appropriate forum for this post. If not, I apologize and ask the moderators to delete the message.

Being involved with the restoration of Cambria & Indiana HM 162, I quickly realized that no one seems to have performed a thorough documentation of the railroad's revenue freight car fleet. We struggled quite a bit to find lettering diagrams, builders, and rebuild information. I've decided to begin the process of documenting the C&I's entire fleet throughout its 90-year existance as an active railroad. I want this research to include all cars owned by the railroad, not just hoppers.

Can anyone point me to collection of builder's photos or other original fleet information. I'm looking for orders, builders photos, in-service photos, etc... from all eras. I've checked the normal online means (The Fallen Flags site, the C&I site, amongst many others), Retter's Standard Steel lists, and Bill Nixon's photos. I've also gone through the files section of this group to see the Westerfield photo list and other things. Surprisingly little has shown up.

What else is available? Would anyone be willing to help point me in the proper direction? I'm willing to pay postage on any items sent to me, and will return items promptly, post paid.

Incidentally, anyone interested in the restoration of 162 can look at the following URL: http://tinyurl.com/24fejfh

Thanks,
Keith Burkey





Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Tim O'Connor
 

I dunno... 2-56 is pretty clunky. I'd prefer an O-80 counterset
screw so it's much less visible, like the Accurail boxes.

Tim O'Connor

KD Sam wrote: "The #78 assembled coupler in a narrow box will be replaced by a #178 (using the whisker #158) in the same
box but with a center hole for a #2 (2-56) screw."

Yeah!!
Clark Propst


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Tim O'Connor
 

Sam

Nice!! (Drat, I just bought two packages of #242)... Will you be including
the #262 box with your whisker couplers in the future?

Tim O'Connor

we just released the #262 box that's a bit narrower and shallower than a standard box.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Clark Propst
 

KD Sam wrote: "The #78 assembled coupler in a narrow box will be replaced by a #178 (using the whisker #158) in the same
box but with a center hole for a #2 (2-56) screw."

Yeah!!
Clark Propst


KD Whiskers was Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Clark Propst
 

I've noticed that when pushing a string of cars the 'whisker' couplers (158) can really shift to one side. I don't think this has caused any derailments, but looks like it could. I wonder if the short shanked 153 have this problem?
Clark Propst


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Armand Premo
 

Replacing the small springs on the 58 is a real chore.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers




Tom,

The 58 is being replaced by the 158 whisker.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: tmolsen@UDel.Edu
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Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2010 2:00 am
Subject: [STMFC] Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

I received an email from a friend of mine in Ft. Wayne last evening regarding

Kadee discontinuing the Kadee #58 Semi-Scale couplers. This was news to me. Is

this because of going to the newer "whisker" version?

Tom Olsen

7 Boundary Road, West Branch

Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

(302) 738-4292

tmolsen@udel.edu

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Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Marty McGuirk
 

I can see why the whisker is replacing the center-spring type couplers. I've been very pleased with the 143 - which is the shorter shank semi-scale coupler. I find the 143 doesn't stick quite as far from the end of the cars - something that ends up being very noticeable on shorter cars like hoppers and 36-foot boxcars.

Marty


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

SUVCWORR@...
 

Tom,

The 58 is being replaced by the 158 whisker.

Rich Orr

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Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2010 2:00 am
Subject: [STMFC] Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers


I received an email from a friend of mine in Ft. Wayne last evening regarding

Kadee discontinuing the Kadee #58 Semi-Scale couplers. This was news to me. Is

this because of going to the newer "whisker" version?



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Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

(302) 738-4292

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Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Andrew Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

A quick check of Kadee's website shows the #118 being discontinued, but no mention of the #58's demise. Are you sure of your friends numbers?

regards,

Andy Miller

----- Original Message -----
From: tmolsen@UDel.Edu
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 2:00 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers



I received an email from a friend of mine in Ft. Wayne last evening regarding Kadee discontinuing the Kadee #58 Semi-Scale couplers. This was news to me. Is this because of going to the newer "whisker" version?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: NRC/IC Reefers

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Richard and others,

I remember the NRC/IC reefers very well - they're just about the only cars I saw in the IC's New Orleans terminals for banana loading in the late 1950s and early 1960s. I also saw them being reconditioned and repainted at the IC's Stuyvesant Docks open-air RIP tracks. They did have orange sides, with boxcar red/brown roofs and ends and black trucks and underbodies. I can't remember ever seeing a yellow IC-owned reefer in those years, which of course doesn't mean that there weren't some still around.

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

SamClarke
 

Tim, No I don't believe that we'll include the #262 with the normal coupler package.

We changed the hole size because that was one of the complaints about the #78 box. I think the bottom of the box has enough thickness to "carefully" counter sing a flathead screw.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products


From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:06 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers


Nice!! (Drat, I just bought two packages of #242)... Will you be including
the #262 box with your whisker couplers in the future?

I dunno... 2-56 is pretty clunky. I'd prefer an O-80 counterset
screw so it's much less visible, like the Accurail boxes.

Tim O'Connor

KD Sam wrote: "The #78 assembled coupler in a narrow box will be replaced by a #178 (using the whisker #158) in the same
box but with a center hole for a #2 (2-56) screw."

Yeah!!
Clark Propst


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

SamClarke
 

Hello Group,

Kadee is not discontinuing the #58 coupler, like the good old #5 coupler in our "standard head" coupler line, it's the back bone of our "scale head" coupler line. We are discontinuing a number of other couplers but we are replacing them with new versions using the whisker centering spring. The #78 assembled coupler in a narrow box will be replaced by a #178 (using the whisker #158) in the same box but with a center hole for a #2 (2-56) screw. The older #118 is being fazed out (get a good deal on these now) for a newer #118 with a whisker spring. The entire 40 series couplers will "eventually" be replaced by the whisker spring 140 series, the #46 and #47 have already been sold out and replaced with the #146 and #147 whisker couplers. The couplers in our logging car kits will soon have a whisker coupler. Others will be forthcoming so keep an eye out or better yet just watch our web sight.
We also have some new draft gear boxes for the whisker couplers with snap on lids. The #242 is the box that comes with our standard package of whisker couplers and our #252 is a 30 series box modified for the whisker couplers, and we just released the #262 box that's a bit narrower and shallower than a standard box.


Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products


From: Andrew Miller
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:03 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers



A quick check of Kadee's website shows the #118 being discontinued, but no mention of the #58's demise. Are you sure of your friends numbers?

regards,

Andy Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: tmolsen@UDel.Edu
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 2:00 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

I received an email from a friend of mine in Ft. Wayne last evening regarding Kadee discontinuing the Kadee #58 Semi-Scale couplers. This was news to me. Is this because of going to the newer "whisker" version?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

I'm not at home right now so I can't check to verify, but I *think* the
Pacific Great Eastern's Fowler stock cars also had the X doors. I'll check
as soon as I'm able, but I would agree that TLT would do best by going
with the X-framed door.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Rob Kirkham wrote:

Hi Peter,
Looking through every photo of CNR stock cars I have, I find your
descriptions are correct.

Of the 5' door cars, all are of the Intercolonial and related fleets that
were essentially CPR knock off designs, with unequally angled diagonal
bracing. And all of the cars I have photos for had the X style door.
These
photos were all taken in later steam era/transition years.

For the 6 foot door cars I have photos of (same vintage), all had the X
style door.

I can't imagine these were distributed geographically. I think TLT would
be
safe using this design for their CNR style stock cars.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "PBowers" <4everwaiting@brucetelecom.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:22 PM
To: <CanModelTrains@yahoogroups.com>; <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame
doors

I have been discussing with TLT the possibility of having the 36 foot
Fowler stock cars released with the more common, especially in the
50's, "X" framed door rather than the vertical slat door the first
runs of the model had. While CN did have that type door on some cars
it was not the typically seen door on the CN 36 foot stock cars..

Doing a photo check the wood vertical slats on TLT CN cars as
modelled on the CN stock cars was rare by the fifties. It appears
the most prevalent use of the wood vertical slat doors were on the 5
foot wide cars. The six foot cars with vertical slat doors were rare
by the mid forties it appears,


Doing a quick bit of history on the CN cars we find:

CN rebuilt 5 foot door Intercolonial Ry box cars into wood slat door
equipped stock cars in 1923 that lasted up to the forties. These
cars had 4 brace ends In 1923 they also rebuilt 500 GT Fowler stock
cars These cars had 2 brace ends and wood doors. Like the other
cars they lasted into the forties at least.

CN rebuilt a further 1500 former 5' door Intercolonial Ry and 6' door
ex GT cars between 1934 and 1939 Like the previous rebuilds, these
cars carried the 4 and 2 braces on their ends.

In 1948 CN converted more ex 1913 built GT boxcars with steel roofs
Power hand brakes AB brakes and 5 braces on the car ends. These cars
were all equipped with X braces doors upon entering service. Photos
show that many were equipped with these newer doors by the mid 40's
and it appears they were appearing on cars by the early forties.

Interestingly, I have not found a five foot wide door CN car with the
X frame door although a couple photos show existing cars in 1963 and
1974. As well I have not come up with a clear picture to verify the
vertical wood slat doors on the 6 foot wide Fowler cars after the
very early forties.

With this research taking shape fairly well, I am passing it on to
the Canadian Freight Car and Operations and CNLines-CNet/Steam Mavens
list to see what else we can flush out on these cars.

As for numbers of cars there were about 876 5' foot wide door Fowler
cars on the books in 1953 and about 2100 6 foot door Fowler stock
cars comprising the CN fleet.

These cars were used extensively in the west, Ontario and Quebec as
well as the Maritimes. As well they were used system wide for
hauling MOW supplies and could be seen hauling almost anything when a
car was needed and weatherproof conditions was not a necessity and as
long as the need for moving livestock was absent.

It would be interesting to know if the 5 foot door cars were
specially assigned in any way. According to ORER records they were
equipped with a feeding trough. These were the only cars so
equipped. But why?

As the X framed door was a minor repair/upgrade, there was little or
no upgrade to the car necessary. I had discussed with a resin
producer producing an insert that would require cutting out the
vertical slats of the full height slat door such as on the ONR
version and inserting the horizontal slat-X frame module.

I know personally, there are a lot of persons who did not buy the
first CN Fowler cars because they knew the door was incorrect for
what they wanted. My bet is the X frame doors would be a big hit.

Currently the info needed by TLT at this point is as
follows: Exactly how many of these cars (the X framed door Fowler
stock cars) saw service, time frame, in what regions (so potential
popularity) and from a manufacturing perspective, what changes or
differences between 'standard cars' and the 'X' braced door (what
would we have to change at the factory)? We are just trying to get an
idea, financially how feasible this change would be and if there is
enough interest. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.

Peter Bowers
Discussion list on Canadian Freight Cars and their Operation
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Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

Robert kirkham
 

Hi Peter,
Looking through every photo of CNR stock cars I have, I find your descriptions are correct.

Of the 5' door cars, all are of the Intercolonial and related fleets that were essentially CPR knock off designs, with unequally angled diagonal bracing. And all of the cars I have photos for had the X style door. These photos were all taken in later steam era/transition years.

For the 6 foot door cars I have photos of (same vintage), all had the X style door.

I can't imagine these were distributed geographically. I think TLT would be safe using this design for their CNR style stock cars.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "PBowers" <4everwaiting@brucetelecom.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:22 PM
To: <CanModelTrains@yahoogroups.com>; <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

I have been discussing with TLT the possibility of having the 36 foot
Fowler stock cars released with the more common, especially in the
50's, "X" framed door rather than the vertical slat door the first
runs of the model had. While CN did have that type door on some cars
it was not the typically seen door on the CN 36 foot stock cars..

Doing a photo check the wood vertical slats on TLT CN cars as
modelled on the CN stock cars was rare by the fifties. It appears
the most prevalent use of the wood vertical slat doors were on the 5
foot wide cars. The six foot cars with vertical slat doors were rare
by the mid forties it appears,


Doing a quick bit of history on the CN cars we find:

CN rebuilt 5 foot door Intercolonial Ry box cars into wood slat door
equipped stock cars in 1923 that lasted up to the forties. These
cars had 4 brace ends In 1923 they also rebuilt 500 GT Fowler stock
cars These cars had 2 brace ends and wood doors. Like the other
cars they lasted into the forties at least.

CN rebuilt a further 1500 former 5' door Intercolonial Ry and 6' door
ex GT cars between 1934 and 1939 Like the previous rebuilds, these
cars carried the 4 and 2 braces on their ends.

In 1948 CN converted more ex 1913 built GT boxcars with steel roofs
Power hand brakes AB brakes and 5 braces on the car ends. These cars
were all equipped with X braces doors upon entering service. Photos
show that many were equipped with these newer doors by the mid 40's
and it appears they were appearing on cars by the early forties.

Interestingly, I have not found a five foot wide door CN car with the
X frame door although a couple photos show existing cars in 1963 and
1974. As well I have not come up with a clear picture to verify the
vertical wood slat doors on the 6 foot wide Fowler cars after the
very early forties.

With this research taking shape fairly well, I am passing it on to
the Canadian Freight Car and Operations and CNLines-CNet/Steam Mavens
list to see what else we can flush out on these cars.

As for numbers of cars there were about 876 5' foot wide door Fowler
cars on the books in 1953 and about 2100 6 foot door Fowler stock
cars comprising the CN fleet.

These cars were used extensively in the west, Ontario and Quebec as
well as the Maritimes. As well they were used system wide for
hauling MOW supplies and could be seen hauling almost anything when a
car was needed and weatherproof conditions was not a necessity and as
long as the need for moving livestock was absent.

It would be interesting to know if the 5 foot door cars were
specially assigned in any way. According to ORER records they were
equipped with a feeding trough. These were the only cars so
equipped. But why?

As the X framed door was a minor repair/upgrade, there was little or
no upgrade to the car necessary. I had discussed with a resin
producer producing an insert that would require cutting out the
vertical slats of the full height slat door such as on the ONR
version and inserting the horizontal slat-X frame module.

I know personally, there are a lot of persons who did not buy the
first CN Fowler cars because they knew the door was incorrect for
what they wanted. My bet is the X frame doors would be a big hit.

Currently the info needed by TLT at this point is as
follows: Exactly how many of these cars (the X framed door Fowler
stock cars) saw service, time frame, in what regions (so potential
popularity) and from a manufacturing perspective, what changes or
differences between 'standard cars' and the 'X' braced door (what
would we have to change at the factory)? We are just trying to get an
idea, financially how feasible this change would be and if there is
enough interest. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.

Peter Bowers
Discussion list on Canadian Freight Cars and their Operation
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/



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Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

tmolsen@...
 

I received an email from a friend of mine in Ft. Wayne last evening regarding Kadee discontinuing the Kadee #58 Semi-Scale couplers. This was news to me. Is this because of going to the newer "whisker" version?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


[CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

PBowers
 

I have been discussing with TLT the possibility of having the 36 foot Fowler stock cars released with the more common, especially in the 50's, "X" framed door rather than the vertical slat door the first runs of the model had. While CN did have that type door on some cars it was not the typically seen door on the CN 36 foot stock cars..

Doing a photo check the wood vertical slats on TLT CN cars as modelled on the CN stock cars was rare by the fifties. It appears the most prevalent use of the wood vertical slat doors were on the 5 foot wide cars. The six foot cars with vertical slat doors were rare by the mid forties it appears,


Doing a quick bit of history on the CN cars we find:

CN rebuilt 5 foot door Intercolonial Ry box cars into wood slat door equipped stock cars in 1923 that lasted up to the forties. These cars had 4 brace ends In 1923 they also rebuilt 500 GT Fowler stock cars These cars had 2 brace ends and wood doors. Like the other cars they lasted into the forties at least.

CN rebuilt a further 1500 former 5' door Intercolonial Ry and 6' door ex GT cars between 1934 and 1939 Like the previous rebuilds, these cars carried the 4 and 2 braces on their ends.

In 1948 CN converted more ex 1913 built GT boxcars with steel roofs Power hand brakes AB brakes and 5 braces on the car ends. These cars were all equipped with X braces doors upon entering service. Photos show that many were equipped with these newer doors by the mid 40's and it appears they were appearing on cars by the early forties.

Interestingly, I have not found a five foot wide door CN car with the X frame door although a couple photos show existing cars in 1963 and 1974. As well I have not come up with a clear picture to verify the vertical wood slat doors on the 6 foot wide Fowler cars after the very early forties.

With this research taking shape fairly well, I am passing it on to the Canadian Freight Car and Operations and CNLines-CNet/Steam Mavens list to see what else we can flush out on these cars.

As for numbers of cars there were about 876 5' foot wide door Fowler cars on the books in 1953 and about 2100 6 foot door Fowler stock cars comprising the CN fleet.

These cars were used extensively in the west, Ontario and Quebec as well as the Maritimes. As well they were used system wide for hauling MOW supplies and could be seen hauling almost anything when a car was needed and weatherproof conditions was not a necessity and as long as the need for moving livestock was absent.

It would be interesting to know if the 5 foot door cars were specially assigned in any way. According to ORER records they were equipped with a feeding trough. These were the only cars so equipped. But why?

As the X framed door was a minor repair/upgrade, there was little or no upgrade to the car necessary. I had discussed with a resin producer producing an insert that would require cutting out the vertical slats of the full height slat door such as on the ONR version and inserting the horizontal slat-X frame module.

I know personally, there are a lot of persons who did not buy the first CN Fowler cars because they knew the door was incorrect for what they wanted. My bet is the X frame doors would be a big hit.

Currently the info needed by TLT at this point is as follows: Exactly how many of these cars (the X framed door Fowler stock cars) saw service, time frame, in what regions (so potential popularity) and from a manufacturing perspective, what changes or differences between 'standard cars' and the 'X' braced door (what would we have to change at the factory)? We are just trying to get an idea, financially how feasible this change would be and if there is enough interest. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.

Peter Bowers
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