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Decal HELP

jim peters
 

I wish to thank all who responded to my request for HELP . . . Now with the Salem show 3 weeks away - I hope they arrive in time . . .



David, Jim, Tony and (?) . . . See ya in Salem!



Jim Peters

Coquitlam, BC


Re: Black Car Cement on roofs

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 31, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Charlie D modeling the Mopac http://
mopac51.tripod wrote:

Who some of the roads that applied black car cement on their boxcar
roofs during repaints or as maintenance? I know PRR and RI did any
others come up? I've been playing around with black and white oils
paint to replicate the weathering on this roof where the black car
cement is coming off the roof.
Charlie, standard practice on the Santa Fe from ca. 1930 to the early
1950s was to apply black car cement mixed with anti-slip granules on
the roofs of all box and refrigerator cars, both when new and when
repainted. Wood running boards were not black, however, but mineral
brown. Steel running boards were usually left in unpainted
galvanized steel on new cars but painted black when the cars were
repainted later in life. Somewhere in the early-to-mid 1950s,
apparently depending on which car shop did the painting, the black
was discontinued and mineral brown synthetic enamel applied, but
again with anti-skid granules mixed in.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Black Car Cement on roofs

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Who some of the roads that applied black car cement on their boxcar roofs during repaints or as maintenance? I know PRR and RI did any others come up? I've been playing around with black and white oils paint to replicate the weathering on this roof where the black car cement is coming off the roof.
In the era of this list, Santa Fe did so as a matter of routine, for new AND repaired roofs.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Black Car Cement on roofs

Charlie D modeling the Mopac http://mopac51.tripod <trduck@...>
 

Who some of the roads that applied black car cement on their boxcar roofs during repaints or as maintenance? I know PRR and RI did any others come up? I've been playing around with black and white oils paint to replicate the weathering on this roof where the black car cement is coming off the roof.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-elywrk-frc.jpg

Charlie Duckworth


Re: P&WV gons was NKP Steel Article

Mark
 

That is a nice site. Spent quite a bit of time there myself. Looking at there freight cars and read an article.
Mark Morgan

PS working afternoon-midnight
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@yahoo.com>
Sender: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:48:10
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] P&WV gons was NKP Steel Article

Regarding the hi-line article I am more interested in what series of P&WV
gons is shown. neat interior



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@yahoo.com


P&WV gons was NKP Steel Article

Brian Carlson
 

Regarding the hi-line article I am more interested in what series of P&WV
gons is shown. neat interior



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@yahoo.com


Re: [STEEL] NKP Steel Article

Brian Carlson
 

I agree with Al. NKP 24500-24901 which by 59 were 24502-24901. Rebuilt from
20000-20999 series boxcars built in 1924. Rebuilding took place in Frankfort
in 1945. Evans auto loader Type 'E' 24502-24799, Type F 24800-24901. Apex
Tri-lox running boards, Ajax hand brake, Murphy improved solid steel roof,
universal rotary brake adjuster.

sunshine kit 64.4



The other close series is 4000-4149 but they were not equipped with auto
loaders, and they has 2 corrugations added at the top of the ends.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@yahoo.com



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:26 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: [STEEL] NKP Steel Article





Steel-side auto car with Evans loaders and three-panel "inverse Murphy" ends
... perhaps 24500 series? See Culotta, FCRM 1 p 186, and Corns, Classic
Trains Su/04 pp 56-63. In the High Line article I can't read the number or
see the side sill, either of which would clinch it. The odd combination of
sides and ends arises 'cuz it's rebuilt from an old double-sheathed car; the
"three-panel" end actually has an extra corrugation added to the top panel.
I love funny-looking rebuilds: this is a good one.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Great article! Can anyone tell us more about the NKP box car?


Re: [STEEL] NKP Steel Article

al_brown03
 

Looking more closely at the High Line picture, the very topmost corrugation in the end has a little extra separation from the next one down; that's the added extra corrugation.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Steel-side auto car with Evans loaders and three-panel "inverse Murphy" ends ... perhaps 24500 series? See Culotta, FCRM 1 p 186, and Corns, Classic Trains Su/04 pp 56-63. In the High Line article I can't read the number or see the side sill, either of which would clinch it. The odd combination of sides and ends arises 'cuz it's rebuilt from an old double-sheathed car; the "three-panel" end actually has an extra corrugation added to the top panel. I love funny-looking rebuilds: this is a good one.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@> wrote:

Great article! Can anyone tell us more about the NKP box car?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STEEL@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STEEL@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pawel
Artmeijer
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:22 PM
To: STEEL@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STEEL] NKP Steel Article




A friend of mind, Dan Merkel, forwarded me this article that is on the web.
I just wanted to pass is along for others to enjoy.

http://www.thepwvhiline.com/Apr1959HiLine.htm
<http://www.thepwvhiline.com/Apr1959HiLine.htm>


Re: [STEEL] NKP Steel Article

al_brown03
 

Steel-side auto car with Evans loaders and three-panel "inverse Murphy" ends ... perhaps 24500 series? See Culotta, FCRM 1 p 186, and Corns, Classic Trains Su/04 pp 56-63. In the High Line article I can't read the number or see the side sill, either of which would clinch it. The odd combination of sides and ends arises 'cuz it's rebuilt from an old double-sheathed car; the "three-panel" end actually has an extra corrugation added to the top panel. I love funny-looking rebuilds: this is a good one.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Great article! Can anyone tell us more about the NKP box car?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STEEL@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STEEL@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pawel
Artmeijer
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:22 PM
To: STEEL@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STEEL] NKP Steel Article




A friend of mind, Dan Merkel, forwarded me this article that is on the web.
I just wanted to pass is along for others to enjoy.

http://www.thepwvhiline.com/Apr1959HiLine.htm
<http://www.thepwvhiline.com/Apr1959HiLine.htm>


Re: Atlas HO 1932 ARA box car for trade

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Should have mentioned that car is brand new in an unopened box.
Would consider any Atlas HO 1932 ARA box car with lettering suitable for 1950.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

A recent eBay purchase included an Atlas item #20 000 323 HO 1932 ARA box car lettered for the Central of Georgia in the 1960s paint scheme. It is lettered "BLT 8-37" and reweigh date "HE 5-65." This CofG car is also lettered "When Empty Return to CofG Rwy. Westover, GA." and "Door Must Be Closed Before Moving Car."

I would like to trade this for the same Atlas car but with the earlier CofG lettering.

Gene Green


Atlas HO 1932 ARA box car for trade

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

A recent eBay purchase included an Atlas item #20 000 323 HO 1932 ARA box car lettered for the Central of Georgia in the 1960s paint scheme. It is lettered "BLT 8-37" and reweigh date "HE 5-65." This CofG car is also lettered "When Empty Return to CofG Rwy. Westover, GA." and "Door Must Be Closed Before Moving Car."

I would like to trade this for the same Atlas car but with the earlier CofG lettering.

Gene Green


Raised panel roof replacements

Andy Carlson
 

Greetings, fellow STMFC'ers....

If anyone is interested, I have a Red Caboose #7003 kit, and I have a Red Caboose '37 AAR roof, and a pair of 4/4 EDE (ends). The roof is a tad too wide, I would consider a lengthwise cut down the middle, the kerf may be enough material removal to allow a good fit to the RC body.The ends seem to right sized in both height and width.

$21.00, includes shipping. contact me off-list at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
-Andy Carlson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@...> wrote:

Gentlemen, Thank you all for the inputs and re-directing me on the ends. Looks like the Red Caboose 7003 body will do the correct sides for the 8501-8750 series. I also see that Detail Associates makes a pretty close 4/5 Dreadnaught end for me. Hope its close to the correct height.

Ken

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@> wrote:

Ken, Red Caboose does/did sell their roofs separately. So, order some when you order the kit. I believe Detail West still makes a square corner 4/4 DE that should come close to fitting on the RC body.

Gentleman, Start your chainsaws ! It's time to whack and hack !!
Clark Propst


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@> wrote:

The series I want to replicate is the 8501-8750 cars with Dreadnaught ends and Standard Improved (raised panel?) roofs, purchased in 1934. These bodies were the ARA pattern, which I understand Red Caboose still does as an undec kit. I see this kit comes with a flat panel roof, so I want to get some replacement raised non-diagonal panel roofs. Are they made by somebody and can I get a couple?

Ken O'Brien


Re: sheet brass

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

A. T. - Thanks for calling. The strap stock is .005" thick brass, 3 HO inches wide, and nominally 30 HO feet long. Length doesn't matter as long as it's at least 30' long. We normally ordered 1,000 pieces from Simpson and that lasts us about 18 months. Since we'll be out of business in nine, I guess 500 pieces would tide us through. Simpson charged us $0.14 apiece. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: proto48er
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:20 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: sheet brass



Al -

I have a couple of Di-Acro shears tuned up to cut thin brass shimstock (half hard). What thickness and what dimensions do you need? Have a 12" shear and a 36" shear (a second 36" shear is down for modification of the holddown to cut thin angle and Z stock), but the 12" one cuts best. All three have freshly sharpened blades. I also have a 6" roller and an 18" roller to flatten out rolled shimstock, if that is what you use for material.

I am an "O" scale guy, so have no idea what kind of brass stuff goes in your kits??

Let me know the details - looks like it will be good exercise!!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:
>
> It wasn't until recently that I was told that Russ Simpson had died. We bought out brass strips from him (1,000 at a time, therefore the delay). Does anyone know of another source? I'd hate to purchase a cutter for the last few months we'll be in business. - Al Westerfield
>
>
>


Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

Aley, Jeff A
 

A minor typo: the cars were Union Pacific B-50-24's, not R-50-24's.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:35 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

> ....I'm not
sure when the W-corner post end first was used,
Union Pacific R-50-24s in 1939


Re: [STEEL] NKP Steel Article

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Great article! Can anyone tell us more about the NKP box car?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STEEL@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STEEL@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pawel
Artmeijer
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:22 PM
To: STEEL@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STEEL] NKP Steel Article




A friend of mind, Dan Merkel, forwarded me this article that is on the web.
I just wanted to pass is along for others to enjoy.

http://www.thepwvhiline.com/Apr1959HiLine.htm
<http://www.thepwvhiline.com/Apr1959HiLine.htm>


Re: sheet brass

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Kurt - Thanks, we deal with K&S but hadn't thought to ask. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Kurt Laughlin
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] sheet brass



I think K&S will do custom cuts in quantity. Check their website.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Al and Patricia Westerfield
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:56 AM
Subject: [STMFC] sheet brass

It wasn't until recently that I was told that Russ Simpson had died. We bought out brass strips from him (1,000 at a time, therefore the delay). Does anyone know of another source? I'd hate to purchase a cutter for the last few months we'll be in business. - Al Westerfield


Does anyone have a scan of the instructions they can send me...

dakkinder
 

Micro Scale American Car & Foundry (ACFX) -- Stock# 87-986

Thanks
Doug Kinder


Re: roofs and ends [Was: Grand Truck Western Box Cars]

Scott Pitzer
 

C&O and Monon each got 50' double-door box cars in 1948. C&O's had the "newer" R/3/4 end but the "older" rectangular panel roof, while conversely (IIRC) Monon's had the "older" 4/4 IDE but the "newer" diagonal panel roof.
The built dates in car photos were June and September... but I don't remember which road was earlier.
Scott Pitzer


Re: MicroScale -HELP-

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
I learned years ago, that all the local shops around here say "this or that decal is out of stock" which translates to 'it is not worth my time to order it for you since after shipping I make no money on decal orders because there are so few of you model railroaders decaling your own stuff."
Very true, Brian. And it isn't just decals. It applies to practically anything the shop owner can't be bothered with, whether or not he or she can make any money on it. But of course it reflects on the manufacturer, or in our case, on the publisher, when potential customers are told, "oh, that's no longer available," or worse, "it's out of print," just to avoid a discussion with said customer.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: roofs and ends [Was: Grand Truck Western Box Cars]

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 29, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

I wrote:
....Yes, Staffan, IIRC the diagonal panel roof was introduced early
in 1949,
Richard Hendrickson responded:
Actually, 1948
Like Ed Hawkins, I'm not aware of any cars built in 1948 with
the IDE. Do you know of some, Richard?
Yes, some cars were built for the NYC with diagonal panel roofs very
late in 1948, with deliveries continuing into 1949.

I also stated that the improved Dreadnaught end came in 1944. Richard
commented:
AFAIK, the last box cars with prewar style Dreadnaught ends were
built for the Detroit & Mackinac in 1947.
That may well be the LAST of the older ends, but I think we
were addressing the FIRST of the newer ends. The Standard Railway
Equipment Co. drawing for that end is dated in mid-1944, which was the
basis for my statement. Ed Hawkins may well be right that no new cars
received the end until 1945.
That's correct to the best of my knowledge. I was merely pointing
out that not all railroads embraced new design features as soon as
they were introduced.

Richard Hendrickson

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