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Re: ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

Greg Martin
 

Wayne,

Can you tell me why you would ask us to comment on ACCURAIL's position when
you could email them at _dennis@accurail.com_ (mailto:dennis@accurail.com)
.

It is funny you didn't ask for comments on our personal opinions of
ACCURAIL kits. Mine is I have used them extensively in upgrading and kit
conversions with great success and shared them with others. The time spent is as
rewarding as laying track or doing scenery in my opinion, I find all of this
to be essential.

Greg Martin

In a message dated 9/11/2010 9:51:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
goodheart05@yahoo.com writes:

Can anyone comment on Accurail's position on the topic?


The Atlas USRA steel rebuild. Again.

spsalso
 

I know that the current conversation is about the BLI NYC boxcar--the one I was thinking it was about time to order. Well, maybe not.

Anyway, Atlas has announced another run of their USRA rebuilds. I did a search of this list, and it appears the cars MIGHT work for ACL and/or Frisco. But those list-comments appeared before the car was widely available.

So, I'm asking if there are any new comments about these cars. I note that Atlas is supplying them with two kinds of ends and two kinds of underframes, so at least they're trying.

Also interesting is that they have yet to release any in ACL or Frisco. I was interested in their Rock Island issue, but the ORER description doesn't match the model. Too bad; the model looks kinda nice. Wrong, but nice.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

Mark
 

I like accurail. Realize the cast on detail but prefer American products. You can take there excellent cars to the bench and rework them. Recent articles on there gondola kit. I have forty of there cars maybe more and they are nice.
Mark Morgan
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry

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Subject: [STMFC] ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

I enjoy resin and the better plastic kits but have started an ambitious new layout, so don't log much craftsman kit time these days. But need a fleet of period (30's)cars in the interm. Was talking to a dealer and we mentioned Accurail and lamented that they didn't have a line of cars with separate ladders, grabs, etc. as a balance between the shake-the-box and time-consuming craftsman kits. He said "yeah, everyone says that," so I assume Accurail hears it a lot too. Some of our members clearly have ties to Accurail. Can anyone comment on Accurail's position on the topic?

Wayne O'Hern
New York & Northern (aka Rutland)


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...>
 

Group
Lets see these are my changes, Air Hose, hand brake wheel, hand grabs, ladder
rungs, door size, door hardware, running board lateral brackets, running board
too high off roof.  All that and save the paint too.  My Westerfield car wasn't
that hard or time consuming.  The BLI car looks toy like.
Don Ford
Kanab UT




________________________________
From: Fritz Milhaupt <fmilhaupt@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 9:07:10 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

 


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pwkrueger" <kruegerp@...> wrote:

BLI put eight photos of one of these cars on their web site this
week. Here is a link to the first photo in the gallery:
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/view.aspx?productId=2332
I'm not seeing anything supporting the lower door track.

Let's see. So far, I'd have to lower the walkway, correct the lateral walkway
supports and grabs, free half the door latching hardware from the door, and
install gussets to support the lower door track.

Then, there's the door fit. Is the door opening too large, or the door too
small? Each suggests a different remedy, with the first being considerably more
effort than the second.

I really hope that they aren't planning to ship the cars like that.
When these were announced, I was optimistic they'd save me time over the
Westerfield kits, plus be a bit more durable for operations. But unless they
correct the door issue (at the very least), it's looking like the Westerfield
model would be a far better investment of my time and effort

-Fritz Milhaupt
Web Guy and DCC Wrangler, Operations Road Show
http://www.railsonwheels.com/ors


ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

lifeisgood_u2 <goodheart05@...>
 

I enjoy resin and the better plastic kits but have started an ambitious new layout, so don't log much craftsman kit time these days. But need a fleet of period (30's)cars in the interm. Was talking to a dealer and we mentioned Accurail and lamented that they didn't have a line of cars with separate ladders, grabs, etc. as a balance between the shake-the-box and time-consuming craftsman kits. He said "yeah, everyone says that," so I assume Accurail hears it a lot too. Some of our members clearly have ties to Accurail. Can anyone comment on Accurail's position on the topic?

Wayne O'Hern
New York & Northern (aka Rutland)


Re: Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

Ray Breyer
 

Prior to 1960, I can find no IC triple hoppers.  The
fleet appears to have been primarily twin hoppers and
gondolas before this.
Tim VanMersbergen

IC 713000-713749, built 1929 by GACC and Standard Steel.
Renumbered to 81000-81744 in 1951.

Three cars converted from 81000-series into woodchip hoppers with raised sides and roof, numbered 81750-81752 in 1951.

C&IW 1000-1099, built 1929 by GACC. 35 cars renumbered to 900-934 in 1951, others leased to C&IM under original numbers (but in C&IM paint).

IC 81790-81799, built for People's Gas in 1947, sold to IC in 1957.


Since I don't have any triple hoppers in my car fleet I can't measure and compare any of these cars against the models in question. If anyone wants copies of these car diagrams, email me offlist!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

killercarp
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Steve Lucas asked:
"I have a couple of undec HO Bowser (ex-Stewart 70-ton) three-bay hopper kits.
Are they suitable for

modelling IC hoppers, or total foobies if decorated for the IC?"
 
They'd be foobies, but getting to an accurate IC offset triple is not an easy
path.  The IC cars are a taller three-bay version of the ARA offset quad
familiar to HO scale modelers as the Athearn (and multiple knockoffs) quad, with
the earlier "stepped" taper.  The following photos are of these cars after
rebuilding in the 1970s:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/icg330532alb.jpg
http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg24.htm
At the risk of disagreeing, the two cars referenced are ICG renumbers of the IC 65300-66699 series 3263 cu ft cars built by the IC in Centralia in 1965, which puts them, even in original paint and number series, outside the range of the STMFC. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic-f146.gif

While not entirely with the STMFC either, the IC 82000-83499 series 2773 cu ft cars built in 1960 would not have the same height issue. If they are within your era, they may be an acceptable stand in for you despite the lack of the stepped taper.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic-f146.gif
Many of these cars got side extensions later, beyond STMFC-era, but some remained unchanged through the ICG merger of 1972.
Here's are a couple without the added extensions:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic82351w.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic82960ajg.jpg
There are also pictures on page 67 of the IC/GM&O Color Guede from Morning Sun.

I have pictures that show the 82000 series coupled to other, identifiable cars with no appreciable height difference, but the 65300s are clearly taller.

Prior to 1960, I can find no IC triple hoppers. The fleet appears to have been primarily twin hoppers and gondolas before this.

To me, the height would be more outside my foobie tolerance than the taper, at least for a larger fleet, but, of course, yours may be different.
Tim VanMersbergen


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,,
 
After following this thread, I am reminded of the old AHM models. The truck photo indicates they used the same non-standard mounting as used on the stock cars. I agree that the Westerfield is the way to go for now.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Sat, 9/11/10, Fritz Milhaupt <fmilhaupt@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Fritz Milhaupt <fmilhaupt@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 11:07 AM


 





--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pwkrueger" <kruegerp@...> wrote:

BLI put eight photos of one of these cars on their web site this
week. Here is a link to the first photo in the gallery:
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/view.aspx?productId=2332
I'm not seeing anything supporting the lower door track.

Let's see. So far, I'd have to lower the walkway, correct the lateral walkway supports and grabs, free half the door latching hardware from the door, and install gussets to support the lower door track.

Then, there's the door fit. Is the door opening too large, or the door too small? Each suggests a different remedy, with the first being considerably more effort than the second.

I really hope that they aren't planning to ship the cars like that.
When these were announced, I was optimistic they'd save me time over the Westerfield kits, plus be a bit more durable for operations. But unless they correct the door issue (at the very least), it's looking like the Westerfield model would be a far better investment of my time and effort

-Fritz Milhaupt
Web Guy and DCC Wrangler, Operations Road Show
http://www.railsonwheels.com/ors








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Re: What do you guys use to drill holes in plastic and Resin?

Jared Harper
 

I use a sewing machine foot switch with my variable speed Dremel. It lets me go lower than the slowest speed on the tool's speed control.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <eric@...> wrote:

Tim,

I am not certain but I think the dimmer works with the older Dremels because of a change in the motor or motor brushes that occurred when the variable speed Dremels began appearing.

I used a metal double-outlet box and mounted a regular outlet and a dimmer switch. You can break off two tabs on the outlet to separate the two recepticles and wire as two separate circuits. Read the piece of paper that comes with a new outlet as the details are there. At least they were on my purchase. I wired one recepticle to the dimmer and one direct. The wiring was then ganged to a heavy duty extension cord to use as a portable unit. I marked VAR on the box beside the recepticle that is controlled by the dimmer. This dimmer control idea may have been covered in Model Rairoader many, many years ago.

By all means, if you have any questions about this, please consult an electrician first. I did.

The dimmer makes for good speed control of my old Dremel, which only has an on-off switch. I can adjust speed based upon material and drill size.

Eric



Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the Railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926:
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/




--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:

Eric

That's an interesting idea, sounds better than the foot pedal.
I don't know about electrical stuff, but I think the old dimmers
used a rheostat (variable resistance) but the new dimmers use a
completely different technique -- perhaps that's why they don't
work so well with the Dremel?

Tim O'Connor


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Fritz Milhaupt
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pwkrueger" <kruegerp@...> wrote:

BLI put eight photos of one of these cars on their web site this
week. Here is a link to the first photo in the gallery:
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/view.aspx?productId=2332
I'm not seeing anything supporting the lower door track.

Let's see. So far, I'd have to lower the walkway, correct the lateral walkway supports and grabs, free half the door latching hardware from the door, and install gussets to support the lower door track.

Then, there's the door fit. Is the door opening too large, or the door too small? Each suggests a different remedy, with the first being considerably more effort than the second.

I really hope that they aren't planning to ship the cars like that.
When these were announced, I was optimistic they'd save me time over the Westerfield kits, plus be a bit more durable for operations. But unless they correct the door issue (at the very least), it's looking like the Westerfield model would be a far better investment of my time and effort

-Fritz Milhaupt
Web Guy and DCC Wrangler, Operations Road Show
http://www.railsonwheels.com/ors


Re: Great Northern Flat Cars

Bob Kutella
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Have you got Railmodel Journal, January 1997? Covers
GN 69000-69299, 69500-69999, with two photos of the later
cars.

There's at least one photo in the GNRHS website photo archive
of GN 67605, which appears to be a rebuilt version of the cars
built in the 1920's.

Tim O'
Tim, thank you very much for the reply. I received a nice kit as a gift from my son and built it during convalescence. Now I am beginning to think I have been victimized by vendor statements that GN had such cars. Decals I found will not fit the space and seemingly are incomplete for any GN flatcar.

I do not have the Railmodel article but will go to the GNRHS website now. I am a member of their society and skimmed through all the reference sheets yesterday. Very few articles on flatcars.

Bob Kutella


Re: What do you guys use to drill holes in plastic and Resin?

Douglas Harding
 

I'm with Clark, I had an early version of the Xacto unit, nice and slow. Now I use the smaller cordless Dremel, like Pierre. Again
nice, slow, controllable and easy to handle.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Bill,
 
Must be factory applied rust & mold.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:


From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:39 PM


 



What is the strange growth on the latitudinal running board in the last photo?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pwkrueger" <kruegerp@...> wrote:

BLI put eight photos of one of these cars on their web site this week. Here is a link to the first photo in the gallery:
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/view.aspx?productId=2332

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA







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Re: B&O M55

rwitt_2000
 

Mark,

My comments are below. I hope to do an article for The Sentinel sometime
next year about this group of cars.

Bob Witt

Mark Morgan wrote:

I have a couple questions on the following cars:

M55 384000-384499 blt 1940
Built by Press Steel Car Co. The ends are similar to those used on the
M-55c, but these have square corner posts. Some believe these ends came
from a General American. All three boxcars represent B&O returned to the
use of standard designs after all activity by J. J. Tatum,
Superintendent of Cars, from 1920 to 1940. All the class M-55 boxcars
follow the basic AAR 1937 standard, but with different roofs, different
ends, and different underframes as allowed. The M-55 did receive Tatum
"XLT slack adjusters" and I believed they also were applied to the M-55a
and M-55b. The ends from an old Roundhouse cars would be a poor
substitute. In times past Speedwitch wanted to do a resin kit of these
cars possibly using one of the commercial AAR 1937 boxcars as a starting
point. This project would have given us the many Tatum "XLT" parts used
such as the slack adjuster, brake step, ladders among others, plus the
correct roof, ends and Duryea underframes.

M55a 465000-465899 blt 1941
Both the M-55a and M-55b were built by Pullman-Standard and both a
design use by Pullman-Standard during the early 1940s. The ends are very
similar to those applied to the B&O M-57 automobile boxcar. These have
"W" braced corner posts. These boxcars have been discussed previously on
this list. The WLE and KCS received boxcars also built by P-S with
similar ends.

M55b 465900-465999 blt 1942
Examination of the blueprints indicates the main different between these
subclasses are the type of Duryea underframes. For the class M-55b the
Duryea underframes were changed to allow use of the AAR Z-26 center
sills.

All cars had a plate steel roof with lapped seams. They were
Pullman-Standards parts for the M-55a and M-55b. All had the panels at
the ends recessed to lower the lateral running boards so these cars
could be used in "general service" and meet the clearance restrictions
on the B&O. Recall that the tallest general service boxcars on the B&O
in the early 1940s were the M-53 wagon-tops.

Many of these cars were assigned to auto parts service with with many
subclasses all the way the the letter "M"





All have Duryea under frames and odd ends. Flat steel plate roof on
M55 not sure about the other two classes. The ends on M55a appear to be
similar to Roundhouse boxcar with the curved roof.

Picture of M55 and M55a in B&O color book pages 75 and 76. The photo
of car number 465273 shows a slack adjuster, was this a later addition.


Trucks in "O"

Rich Yoder
 

Several of you modelers out there are surprised to find out that I make and
sell trucks in "O" scale and p48.

Well now is the time to look at my truck page and check out what is going
on.

http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_trucks.htm



Sincerely,

Rich Yoder


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

jerryglow2
 

It's on my set for the Tichy P&LE/PMcK&Y rebuild also.
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/PLE.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bill, I haven't run downstairs to check, but I think that the
NYC triangular stencil can be found on some of Mark Vaughan's
decal sets and also in some CDS dry transfers.

Tim O'Connor



I would hope no grain will be loaded in these as there is daylight around the doors perimeter making papering difficult. Also whoever opened the door was very strong as they ripped the body part of the locking hardware right off the side of the car.

The only notable positive thing I see is the little triangular stencil, unavailable in any decal set.

This is great example of why I prefer undecorated models, as there is some much clunky material to remove and replace and I am just colour blind enough that matching paint for me is a lost cause.

There goes the triangular stencil I guess.

I hope BLI is running these past someone before they go into production!

Maybe the trucks are okay.

Bill Welch


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Bill,
 
Pray you never have to change out the trucks. They appear to be the same type used on the stock cars, and drove the Pennsy fans bonkers mounting new ones.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 4:14 PM


 




Bill, I haven't run downstairs to check, but I think that the
NYC triangular stencil can be found on some of Mark Vaughan's
decal sets and also in some CDS dry transfers.

Tim O'Connor

I would hope no grain will be loaded in these as there is daylight around the doors perimeter making papering difficult. Also whoever opened the door was very strong as they ripped the body part of the locking hardware right off the side of the car.

The only notable positive thing I see is the little triangular stencil, unavailable in any decal set.

This is great example of why I prefer undecorated models, as there is some much clunky material to remove and replace and I am just colour blind enough that matching paint for me is a lost cause.

There goes the triangular stencil I guess.

I hope BLI is running these past someone before they go into production!

Maybe the trucks are okay.

Bill Welch


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill, I haven't run downstairs to check, but I think that the
NYC triangular stencil can be found on some of Mark Vaughan's
decal sets and also in some CDS dry transfers.

Tim O'Connor

I would hope no grain will be loaded in these as there is daylight around the doors perimeter making papering difficult. Also whoever opened the door was very strong as they ripped the body part of the locking hardware right off the side of the car.

The only notable positive thing I see is the little triangular stencil, unavailable in any decal set.

This is great example of why I prefer undecorated models, as there is some much clunky material to remove and replace and I am just colour blind enough that matching paint for me is a lost cause.

There goes the triangular stencil I guess.

I hope BLI is running these past someone before they go into production!

Maybe the trucks are okay.

Bill Welch


Re: Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

Tim O'Connor
 

How about the old Ulrich triple hopper? You'd have to redo the
sides and gussets (grind off?) because it represents the AAR
alternate standard style of construction, but otherwise the body
shape appears pretty close.

Tim O'Connor

They'd be foobies, but getting to an accurate IC offset triple is not an easy
path. The IC cars are a taller three-bay version of the ARA offset quad
familiar to HO scale modelers as the Athearn (and multiple knockoffs) quad, with
the earlier "stepped" taper. The following photos are of these cars after
rebuilding in the 1970s:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/icg330532alb.jpg
http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg24.htm

I remember seeing an in-process HO scale model of one of these cars out at the
first St. Louis prototype meet done from an MDC offset triple, but I don't
remember the modeler (it was either Dan Kohlberg or Mike Budde). The problem,
as always, with this model is the goofy deep side sill and shallow profile
hoppers, but it does have the stepped taper and, with Archer rivets now
available, doing the four side sheet reinforcements is now a lot easier.
Another route would be to convert an Athearn quad to a three bay hopper, but my
gut feeling is that this conversion would be too short in height.

Ben Hom


Re: Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve, which one? I think Stewart made 4 70-ton triple hoppers.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/10/2010 02:34 PM Friday, you wrote:
Sorry, Ben--

To clarify, the 70-ton ex-Stewart tripple hopper.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Steve Lucas asked:
"I have a couple of undec HO Bowser three-bay hopper kits. Are they suitable for
modelling IC hoppers, or total foobies if decorated for the IC?"

Are you asking about the former Stewart offset triple, or the 100-ton triple?


Ben Hom

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