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Re: Cocoa Beach 2010

Jared Harper
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:
We also learned that we should reduce the size of the clinic schedule so that it can be printed on a 3x5" card. (Just kidding; next year they'll be printed with a larger font so that they are more legible).

I managed to attend a few clinics, and here are my comments, in chronological order:

Mike Brock: Scratchbuilding a Steel Water Tank with Archer Rivets. Mike showed how Archer rivets are now the "way to go" when it comes to adding rivet details. He also gave some good tips on working with them (e.g. don't apply them over a black surface - you won't be able to see them!).

Bill Darnaby: Easy Scenery Techniques. Bill makes everything look so easy. He also emphasized state-of-the-art techniques like photo backdrops, and the use of the Noch GrasMaster for grasses. I will definitely put these techniques to use - first on somebody else's layout! (Watch out, Denny!!)

Mark Amfahr: An Analysis of Steam Era Operations (UP WY 1941). This was a fascinating look at how the Union Pacific ACTUALLY moved trains in 1941. The way they dealt with motive power, the way they (didn't) block the trains, and the types of reefer icing service were all very interesting to me and will have a direct effect on how my friends and I operate our layouts.

Jared Harper: Modeling Small Midwestern Grain Elevators. Jared showed a lot of photos of elevators, highlighting just how unique they are. He then showed how he modeled two of the elevators on his AT&SF Alma Branch.

Jon Cagle: Working with Resin Kits and Parts. I didn't actually get to attend this one, but I wanted to point out that this was the first time we used a video camera to show a closeup of the modeling techniques and broadcast it onto the "big screen" so that folks in the back could see what was going on. I think the technology was a big success (and I heard that the clinic was a big success, too).

Doug Harding: Livestock Shipping Facilities in the Corn Belt. This was an updated version of Doug's clinic, and contains a lot of great info for those of us who are modeling the midwest.

Mark Vaughan: Agricultural Processing and RR Traffic. Mark showed how corn, wheat, and soybeans are processed, and the associated railroad traffic for each one. I learned that the Forbes Brothers Mill in Topeka must have been a corn "dry mill" and would have received an occasional tank car of sulfuric acid (about 3% of the inbound; the other 97% is corn), and shipped about 3% as corn oil (the rest being corn of various grinds.)

Tony Koester: TT&TO Operation and Realistic Waybills. Tony gave a good overview of TT&TO. Most interesting was his description of the jobs on his model RR. The last third of the presentation was on a more prototypical type of waybill that he and Ted Pamprin developed.

Tony Thompson: Improved Prototype Waybill Operation. Tony Thompson continued the waybill theme and described how he developed his condensed version of a prototype waybill. He also showed how he generates traffic (i.e. how he knows how many waybills he needs) for his layout.

Mark Amfahr: C&NW Dispatcher's Office in Iowa, 1980. Mark's presentation was mostly about the work environment and the job of dispatching. He showed a lot of photos of the DS's offices and showed the REAL work these men did every day. It's not the sanitized stuff I've seen on model railroads. He even had audio recordings of Dispatchers dictating orders - it was rapid-fire work!

Mike Rose: Grainzilla - the Planning, Building, and Completion of a Large Industry. Mike built an incredible grain elevator complex, and he showed us how he did it. It was a combination of kitbashing and scratchbuilding, and the results are awesome!

Discussion: Shake-n-Take Show-n-Tell. Several of us sat around and compared notes on how we built the 2009 Shake-n-take model (a UP S-40-10 stock car).

Regards,

-Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
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Tony Thompson writes:

I note from the Weather Service that it'll be 75 degrees this
weekend in Cocoa. Did you book the weather for the wrong weekend, Mike?
I have reviewed my contract with the Weather Bureau and find that they asked for my place of birth. It turns out that they use that place to direct the weather to. And, as it turns out, I am...prepare for this...an Okie from Muskogee [ Oklahoma]...so we got their normal weather for this time of yr. I have no idea where ours went...perhaps to Sydney, Aus.

Actually, I don't know why people are complaining...although I will admit that wearing 3 shirts and my "Wyoming Coat" in the unheated areas was a bit annoying....couldn't figure out which of the 12 pockets I had stuff in. Anyway, I told Jeff Aley that since he was having to work 6 simultaneous clinics this yr [ increase his salary? Why? ] and because...no, better term is...since...his wife Connie was with him I supplied them witrh an ocean view room. I further noted...preimarily to watch the Tsunami when it rushes in. I now see that a large earthquake [ 7.5 ] has struck Haiti and a Tsunami warning for the Carribean has been issued. Presumably the ice flow off our coast and associated ice burgs will reduce the effects up here but the timing is a bit unrerving.

Mike Brock







Re: DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed

Eric Shatford
 

Dear Larry,
The T&P 40100-43008 cars are double sheathed. There is a partial photo of T&P 41050 in the Louisiana Digital Library being loaded at the Louisiana Celotex Company in Marrero, Louisiana. The picture is dated March 22, 1939. It must have been it's last load as none of the series are listed in the January 1940 ORER. The built date is not visible in the photo.
Respectfully,
Eric P. (Rick) Shatford
Fort Worth, TX

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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: [STMFC] DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed



Hi Everyone

I am in the process of transcribing ORER line data pertaining to box, auto, and ventilator cars for U.S. railroads into an Excel spreadsheet. The seven ORERs so far completed are: January 1925; February 1932; January 1938; April 1942; January 1945; April 1949; and July 1950. For each car series, I recorded the road, AAR mechanical designation, kind of car, starting and ending series numbers, interior length, width, and height, capacity in cu. ft. and pounds, and the number of cars. To these, I have been adding the sheathing type and build/rebuild years, as best I am able to determine from books, articles, websites, and individuals. Over the past few years, many of you on this list have graciously helped me to compile this peripheral information.

The Excel files allow one to summarize the data in a wide variety of forms. The table below divides the cars by sheathing type to show the number of double sheathed (DS), single sheathed (SS) and steel sheathed cars for the seven different ORERs. The category "Other" includes the ATSF panel cars, the GN plywood cars, and a few aluminum cars. "Conflict" means that some sources have identified the cars as having one type of sheathing, while others have pegged them as something else. (In some cases, the series apparently does consist of cars with disparate sheathing.) The data are for U.S. railroads only - notably the CP and CN are excluded. Privately owned cars are also ignored.

Number of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 804,023; 601,559; 314,289; 201,065; 173,780; 84,534; 66,111
SS: 140,701; 250,565; 227,769; 213,480; 210,667; 174,306; 162,957
Steel: 50,854; 126,745; 205,103; 318,803; 353,406; 469,445; 478,502
Other: 4,498; 5,969; 6,922; 6,409; 5,915; 5,571; 4,782
Conflict: 3,542; 3,546; 3,599; 2,714; 2,334; 1,956; 1,701
Unknown: 79,277; 36,826; 6,398; 3,385; 2,221; 781; 511
Total: 1,082,895; 1,025,210; 764,080; 745,856; 748,323; 736,593; 714,564

Percentage of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 74.2%; 58.7%; 41.1%; 27.0%; 23.2%; 11.5%; 9.3%
SS: 13.0%; 24.4%; 29.8%; 28.6%; 28.2%; 23.7%; 22.8%
Steel: 4.7%; 12.4%; 26.8%; 42.7%; 47.2%; 63.7%; 67.0%
Other: 0.4%; 0.6%; 0.9%; 0.9%; 0.8%; 0.8%; 0.7%
Conflict: 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.5%; 0.4%; 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.2%
Unknown: 7.3%; 3.6%; 0.8%; 0.5%; 0.3%; 0.1%; 0.1%
Total: 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%

The percentage of cars of Unknown sheathing type is quite small for the five most recent ORERs, but is over 7% for 1925. Here are the series that have proven most elusive to me in trying to determine the sheathing (these are from the 1925 ORER):

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1925
C&O, XM, Box, 3900-6425, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 2390
CRI, XM, Box, 1200-2271, 34'4", 7'3", 5'0", 80000, 1033
GN, XA, Box, 36000-37999, 39'8.5", 10'0", 10'5.5", 80000, 1906
GN, XM, Box, 205274-208452, 36'0", 7'1", 5'4", 60000, 2849
M-K-T, XM, Box, 80000-91175, 36'0", 8'0", 6'1", 60000, 7604
M-K-T, XM, Box, 92000-94889, 33'11.25", 7'0", 5'0", 60000, 1292
NYC, XM, Box, 900250-901749, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 1107
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 151223-152457, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 1206
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 254700-256108, 36'0.5", 8'1", 6'0", 60000, 1388
T&P, XM, Box, 32448-34195, 33'10.5", 6'11.5", 5'6", 60000, 1293
T&P, XM, Box, 40100-43008, 36'0", 8'4", 6'0", 80000, 2830

If any of you can identify the sheathing type and year built I would very much appreciate having that information.

Thank you and best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: 5021 ERIE/B&M 40' Steel Milk Car With Viking Roof (Funaro & Camerlengo Kit)

David C. Wilson <davidchriswilson@...>
 

Steve & Brian,

Thanks so much! I will eventually check out the book photos as well.

Dave Wilson


Re: DL&W 1954+ lettering (was Boxcars Paint Color)

Tim O'Connor
 

Looking through the model and prototype photos, and comparing
to my Red Caboose model of DL&W 51490, a 1937 AAR box car in
the 1955 paint scheme, I see that Red Caboose applied a huge
LACKAWANNA road name to the left of the door, far larger than on
the ELHS model or in prototype photos --

With one exception: a photo of DL&W 47897 (USRA steel box car)
in the post-1954 scheme shows the huge LACKAWANNA road name!

So my question is: did Red Caboose completely screw up, or was
there at least one 1937 AAR box car painted with the giant name
or was this unique to the USRA steel box cars? (It's entirely
possible Red Caboose used a photo of the USRA box car to do the
artwork for their model.)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Cocoa Beach 2010 - Dave Ramos

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

This is the address he gave out at his clinic

dramos1701@yahoo.com

Roger Hinman

On Jan 13, 2010, at 1:34 PM, MDelvec952@aol.com wrote:



Is Dave Ramos on this list, or does anyone know his e-mail address?

Many thanks ....Mike

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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 1:20 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cocoa Beach 2010

2 other outstanding presentations were:

Jim Langston - Prototype Passenger Operations for Large and Small Pikes - Great photos
A lot of information about running passenger service on mid-sized layouts. I will be expanding passenger switching on my milk run. A warning for the Thursday ops group.
It also sounds like the Citrus club will be incorporating some of Jim's ideas as we rebuild our layout

David Ramos - Design of the New York Harbor Railroad: Car Float Operations in 1947
Not a topic of board interest, but from my view point one of the most complete discussions. The amount of detail both in research and the model grade "A" plus

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Re: sunshine kit instructions

Dennis Williams
 

Reuben. 
   Let me know what you need and how many.  Dennis
 
Dennis Williams/ Owner
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, reubeft <reubeft@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: reubeft <reubeft@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] sunshine kit instructions
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:11 PM


 



Thanks to Hurricane Katrina I lost the instructions for my Sunshine Kits but was able to save the kits. The sheets being on glossy paper have flaked and I am wanting to replace them, so i can build something.
If I create a list, can someone scan the missing instructions. etc.
Reuben Feuge
Poplarville, MS


New rolling stock kits coming in HO and S

Jim King
 

I will be producing the following (3) rolling stock kits in HO and S in
order shown below. Please contact me off list to place a no-money-required
reservation. When the kit approaches a production release date, I'll
contact you via email to "collect".



Southern Ry. 8-window wood cab (out of stock for many years) (HO only = $59)
the revamped kit will consist of a 1-pc body, photo etched brass ladder
rails, window mullions, awnings and end railings. Target release date is
Bob Harpe's Savannah GA RPM meet but may be postponed due to current
projects I'm working on that are time sensitive.



SAL B7 "turtle back" single-door boxcar (HO = $45, S = $80) >> target
release is early Summer 2010 (HO) and early/mid Summer 2010 (S)



C&O hi-side with oval Dreadnaught ends (HO = $45, S = $75-80) >> target
release is mid Summer 2010 (HO) and mid/late Summer 2010 (S) (I think the
CRR had 100 of the same style; still researching that one).



HO kits will include trucks, Kadee #58 "whisker" couplers and decals. S
kits will include Kadee couplers and decals. Prices shown are estimates and
do not include shipping. Discounts will be offered for multi-kit orders.



Many other items are planned after the above (3) and info is being collected
as time permits. Too early to formalize release dates or pricing but some
of the offerings will include, in no specific order, an N&W CF cab with t&g
and plywood siding, N&W/VGN G1 gon (HO/S), N&W G5 gon, N&W/EL transfer cab,
SR Berwick PS1 rebuilds, SR/CG boxcar-to-chip hopper conversion and N&W H10
70-ton hopper (HO and S). The B&O I1 and I5 cabs formerly offered by
Pacific Mtn. Scale Shops will be updated and offered over the next 6 months.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>;


Re: DS/SS split 1925 to 1950:  U.S. Summary - help needed

Wendye Ware
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, DIllini1@... wrote:


The Southern SU boxcars were built around 1922 and were double sheathed wooden cars.

Mike Wilson
Terre Haute, IN
Thanks Mike! Very useful information.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


DS/SS split 1925 to 1950:  U.S. Summary - help needed

DIllini1@...
 

The Southern SU boxcars were built around 1922 and were double sheathed wooden cars.

Mike Wilson
Terre Haute, IN


Re: Waukesha Diesel-Icer

Gary Roe
 

Thanks Tony & Bill!

gary roe
quincy, illinois


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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:30 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Waukesha Diesel-Icer




Gary Roe wrote:
However, I cannot find the pictures you speak of in the PFE book. I
did find a couple small photos of Preco "Cargotemp" equipment on
page 178; but nothing on the Waukesha equipment. Could you point me
in the right
direction?
Gary, PFE ice car conversions are discussed on pages 208, 211 and
212 of the book. PFE did not try the Waukesha hardware. They did try
units from Trane, Carrier, Transi-cold and Thermo-King. There is a
photo of one of the experimental cars on page 211.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


sunshine kit instructions

reubeft
 

Thanks to Hurricane Katrina I lost the instructions for my Sunshine Kits but was able to save the kits. The sheets being on glossy paper have flaked and I am wanting to replace them, so i can build something.
If I create a list, can someone scan the missing instructions. etc.
Reuben Feuge
Poplarville, MS


Re: DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed--Great Northern Cars

Wendye Ware
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Pulling out my trusty Great Northern Freight Car Diagrams of 1917, the GN XA boxcars in the 36000-37999 were built by Haskell and Barker in 4 batches: 1) in 1912 the 36000 to 36499, 2) in 1913 the 36500 to 36999, 3) in 1916 the 37000 to 37499 and 4) in 1917 the 37500 to 37999. They were double sheated with 8 truss rods some with full end doors, though the diagram does not indicate which.
The 205274 to 208452 were also H&B built in 1898-1899. All are DS with 8 truss rod boxcars.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...
This is terrific information, Gary. Thank you very much!

Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed--Great Northern Cars

gary laakso
 

Pulling out my trusty Great Northern Freight Car Diagrams of 1917, the GN XA boxcars in the 36000-37999 were built by Haskell and Barker in 4 batches: 1) in 1912 the 36000 to 36499, 2) in 1913 the 36500 to 36999, 3) in 1916 the 37000 to 37499 and 4) in 1917 the 37500 to 37999. They were double sheated with 8 truss rods some with full end doors, though the diagram does not indicate which.
The 205274 to 208452 were also H&B built in 1898-1899. All are DS with 8 truss rod boxcars.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

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Sent: 1/13/2010 1:48:02 PM
Subject: [STMFC] DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed



Hi Everyone

I am in the process of transcribing ORER line data pertaining to box, auto, and ventilator cars for U.S. railroads into an Excel spreadsheet. The seven ORERs so far completed are: January 1925; February 1932; January 1938; April 1942; January 1945; April 1949; and July 1950. For each car series, I recorded the road, AAR mechanical designation, kind of car, starting and ending series numbers, interior length, width, and height, capacity in cu. ft. and pounds, and the number of cars. To these, I have been adding the sheathing type and build/rebuild years, as best I am able to determine from books, articles, websites, and individuals. Over the past few years, many of you on this list have graciously helped me to compile this peripheral information.

The Excel files allow one to summarize the data in a wide variety of forms. The table below divides the cars by sheathing type to show the number of double sheathed (DS), single sheathed (SS) and steel sheathed cars for the seven different ORERs. The category "Other" includes the ATSF panel cars, the GN plywood cars, and a few aluminum cars. "Conflict" means that some sources have identified the cars as having one type of sheathing, while others have pegged them as something else. (In some cases, the series apparently does consist of cars with disparate sheathing.) The data are for U.S. railroads only notably the CP and CN are excluded. Privately owned cars are also ignored.

Number of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 804,023; 601,559; 314,289; 201,065; 173,780; 84,534; 66,111
SS: 140,701; 250,565; 227,769; 213,480; 210,667; 174,306; 162,957
Steel: 50,854; 126,745; 205,103; 318,803; 353,406; 469,445; 478,502
Other: 4,498; 5,969; 6,922; 6,409; 5,915; 5,571; 4,782
Conflict: 3,542; 3,546; 3,599; 2,714; 2,334; 1,956; 1,701
Unknown: 79,277; 36,826; 6,398; 3,385; 2,221; 781; 511
Total: 1,082,895; 1,025,210; 764,080; 745,856; 748,323; 736,593; 714,564

Percentage of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 74.2%; 58.7%; 41.1%; 27.0%; 23.2%; 11.5%; 9.3%
SS: 13.0%; 24.4%; 29.8%; 28.6%; 28.2%; 23.7%; 22.8%
Steel: 4.7%; 12.4%; 26.8%; 42.7%; 47.2%; 63.7%; 67.0%
Other: 0.4%; 0.6%; 0.9%; 0.9%; 0.8%; 0.8%; 0.7%
Conflict: 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.5%; 0.4%; 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.2%
Unknown: 7.3%; 3.6%; 0.8%; 0.5%; 0.3%; 0.1%; 0.1%
Total: 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%

The percentage of cars of Unknown sheathing type is quite small for the five most recent ORERs, but is over 7% for 1925. Here are the series that have proven most elusive to me in trying to determine the sheathing (these are from the 1925 ORER):

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1925
C&O, XM, Box, 3900-6425, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 2390
CRI, XM, Box, 1200-2271, 34'4", 7'3", 5'0", 80000, 1033
GN, XA, Box, 36000-37999, 39'8.5", 10'0", 10'5.5", 80000, 1906
GN, XM, Box, 205274-208452, 36'0", 7'1", 5'4", 60000, 2849
M-K-T, XM, Box, 80000-91175, 36'0", 8'0", 6'1", 60000, 7604
M-K-T, XM, Box, 92000-94889, 33'11.25", 7'0", 5'0", 60000, 1292
NYC, XM, Box, 900250-901749, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 1107
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 151223-152457, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 1206
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 254700-256108, 36'0.5", 8'1", 6'0", 60000, 1388
T&P, XM, Box, 32448-34195, 33'10.5", 6'11.5", 5'6", 60000, 1293
T&P, XM, Box, 40100-43008, 36'0", 8'4", 6'0", 80000, 2830

If any of you can identify the sheathing type and year built I would very much appreciate having that information.

Thank you and best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming




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DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed

Wendye Ware
 

Hi Everyone

I am in the process of transcribing ORER line data pertaining to box, auto, and ventilator cars for U.S. railroads into an Excel spreadsheet. The seven ORERs so far completed are: January 1925; February 1932; January 1938; April 1942; January 1945; April 1949; and July 1950. For each car series, I recorded the road, AAR mechanical designation, kind of car, starting and ending series numbers, interior length, width, and height, capacity in cu. ft. and pounds, and the number of cars. To these, I have been adding the sheathing type and build/rebuild years, as best I am able to determine from books, articles, websites, and individuals. Over the past few years, many of you on this list have graciously helped me to compile this peripheral information.

The Excel files allow one to summarize the data in a wide variety of forms. The table below divides the cars by sheathing type to show the number of double sheathed (DS), single sheathed (SS) and steel sheathed cars for the seven different ORERs. The category "Other" includes the ATSF panel cars, the GN plywood cars, and a few aluminum cars. "Conflict" means that some sources have identified the cars as having one type of sheathing, while others have pegged them as something else. (In some cases, the series apparently does consist of cars with disparate sheathing.) The data are for U.S. railroads only – notably the CP and CN are excluded. Privately owned cars are also ignored.

Number of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 804,023; 601,559; 314,289; 201,065; 173,780; 84,534; 66,111
SS: 140,701; 250,565; 227,769; 213,480; 210,667; 174,306; 162,957
Steel: 50,854; 126,745; 205,103; 318,803; 353,406; 469,445; 478,502
Other: 4,498; 5,969; 6,922; 6,409; 5,915; 5,571; 4,782
Conflict: 3,542; 3,546; 3,599; 2,714; 2,334; 1,956; 1,701
Unknown: 79,277; 36,826; 6,398; 3,385; 2,221; 781; 511
Total: 1,082,895; 1,025,210; 764,080; 745,856; 748,323; 736,593; 714,564

Percentage of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 74.2%; 58.7%; 41.1%; 27.0%; 23.2%; 11.5%; 9.3%
SS: 13.0%; 24.4%; 29.8%; 28.6%; 28.2%; 23.7%; 22.8%
Steel: 4.7%; 12.4%; 26.8%; 42.7%; 47.2%; 63.7%; 67.0%
Other: 0.4%; 0.6%; 0.9%; 0.9%; 0.8%; 0.8%; 0.7%
Conflict: 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.5%; 0.4%; 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.2%
Unknown: 7.3%; 3.6%; 0.8%; 0.5%; 0.3%; 0.1%; 0.1%
Total: 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%

The percentage of cars of Unknown sheathing type is quite small for the five most recent ORERs, but is over 7% for 1925. Here are the series that have proven most elusive to me in trying to determine the sheathing (these are from the 1925 ORER):

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1925
C&O, XM, Box, 3900-6425, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 2390
CRI, XM, Box, 1200-2271, 34'4", 7'3", 5'0", 80000, 1033
GN, XA, Box, 36000-37999, 39'8.5", 10'0", 10'5.5", 80000, 1906
GN, XM, Box, 205274-208452, 36'0", 7'1", 5'4", 60000, 2849
M-K-T, XM, Box, 80000-91175, 36'0", 8'0", 6'1", 60000, 7604
M-K-T, XM, Box, 92000-94889, 33'11.25", 7'0", 5'0", 60000, 1292
NYC, XM, Box, 900250-901749, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 1107
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 151223-152457, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 1206
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 254700-256108, 36'0.5", 8'1", 6'0", 60000, 1388
T&P, XM, Box, 32448-34195, 33'10.5", 6'11.5", 5'6", 60000, 1293
T&P, XM, Box, 40100-43008, 36'0", 8'4", 6'0", 80000, 2830

If any of you can identify the sheathing type and year built I would very much appreciate having that information.

Thank you and best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Cocoa Beach 2010 - Dave Ramos

MDelvec952@...
 

Is Dave Ramos on this list, or does anyone know his e-mail address?

Many thanks ....Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Denis Riley <twc3522326329@earthlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 1:20 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cocoa Beach 2010




2 other outstanding presentations were:

Jim Langston - Prototype Passenger Operations for Large and Small Pikes - Great photos
A lot of information about running passenger service on mid-sized layouts. I will be expanding passenger switching on my milk run. A warning for the Thursday ops group.
It also sounds like the Citrus club will be incorporating some of Jim's ideas as we rebuild our layout

David Ramos - Design of the New York Harbor Railroad: Car Float Operations in 1947
Not a topic of board interest, but from my view point one of the most complete discussions. The amount of detail both in research and the model grade "A" plus

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Re: Waukesha Diesel-Icer

Bill Welch
 

In my research into FGE, I have accumulated ads, photos and other resources regarding FGE experimentation with the Waukesha system. Part of the problem was they had so much stuff hanging on the underside which made the system vulnerable to mishaps that the other systems were not so vulnerable too.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Roe" <wabashrr@...> wrote:

Tony,

Thanks. I felt like it must not have gone over very well.

However, I cannot find the pictures you speak of in the PFE book. I did
find a couple small photos of Preco "Cargotemp" equipment on page 178; but
nothing on the Waukesha equipment. Could you point me in the right
direction?

gary roe
quincy, illinois



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Waukesha Diesel-Icer




Gary Roe wrote:
The March 28, 1955 issue of Railway Age has an article in it about a
new development by the Waukesha Motor Company. Basically, it is a
retro fit for an ice-bunker reefer to turn it into a mechanical
reefer without having to
perform structural modifications.

Was this system ever used much, or was it experimental only? I
can't say I've ever seen any other photos of cars so equipped.
Both PFE and FGE tried this conversion (there are photos in the
PFE book), and I think others such as MDT tried it out also, but AFAIK
everyone determined that the small, older ice cars, with narrow doors,
were not going to be as acceptable to shippers as the big new
mechanical cars, thus the conversions were not worth the cost.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: Waukesha Diesel-Icer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gary Roe wrote:
However, I cannot find the pictures you speak of in the PFE book. I did find a couple small photos of Preco "Cargotemp" equipment on page 178; but nothing on the Waukesha equipment. Could you point me in the right
direction?
Gary, PFE ice car conversions are discussed on pages 208, 211 and 212 of the book. PFE did not try the Waukesha hardware. They did try units from Trane, Carrier, Transi-cold and Thermo-King. There is a photo of one of the experimental cars on page 211.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Waukesha Diesel-Icer

Gary Roe
 

Tony,

Thanks. I felt like it must not have gone over very well.

However, I cannot find the pictures you speak of in the PFE book. I did
find a couple small photos of Preco "Cargotemp" equipment on page 178; but
nothing on the Waukesha equipment. Could you point me in the right
direction?

gary roe
quincy, illinois



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Waukesha Diesel-Icer




Gary Roe wrote:
The March 28, 1955 issue of Railway Age has an article in it about a
new development by the Waukesha Motor Company. Basically, it is a
retro fit for an ice-bunker reefer to turn it into a mechanical
reefer without having to
perform structural modifications.

Was this system ever used much, or was it experimental only? I
can't say I've ever seen any other photos of cars so equipped.
Both PFE and FGE tried this conversion (there are photos in the
PFE book), and I think others such as MDT tried it out also, but AFAIK
everyone determined that the small, older ice cars, with narrow doors,
were not going to be as acceptable to shippers as the big new
mechanical cars, thus the conversions were not worth the cost.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Cocoa Beach 2010

Denis Riley <twc3522326329@...>
 

2 other outstanding presentations were:

Jim Langston - Prototype Passenger Operations for Large and Small Pikes - Great photos
A lot of information about running passenger service on mid-sized layouts. I will be expanding passenger switching on my milk run. A warning for the Thursday ops group.
It also sounds like the Citrus club will be incorporating some of Jim's ideas as we rebuild our layout


David Ramos - Design of the New York Harbor Railroad: Car Float Operations in 1947
Not a topic of board interest, but from my view point one of the most complete discussions. The amount of detail both in research and the model grade "A" plus


DL&W Boxcar - Door

Timothy Costello
 

At 05:47 AM 1/13/2010, you wrote:
Thanks for the interest. STMFCers may be interested to know that the specific combination of ends,
sides, roof and doors has not been previously offered by Intermountain. The ELHS approached IM with
the project, which combines those parts from other IM products, except for the door, which is an
aftermarket part produced by someone else - I regret that I don't recall who that is/was.

SGL
The supplier of this door is Dan Hall and his firm, Southwest Scale Productions of Fort Smith Arkansas. Dan makes a number of Youngstown and Superior doors in the 6', 7' and 8' widths. I learned about Dan's products at Des Plaines Hobbies.

Tim Costello
ELHS

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