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Re: sheet brass

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
It wasn't until recently that I was told that Russ Simpson had died. We bought out brass strips from him (1,000 at a time, therefore the delay). Does anyone know of another source? I'd hate to purchase a cutter for the last few months we'll be in business.
I bought lots of No. 5 turnouts from Russ, along with his very nice wye turnouts. Hopefully I have a sufficient stock that I can finish the layout now under construction. But Al raises a good point: has anyone heard of a purchaser for Russ's business? It was a good line and we can hope that it won't vanish.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


PRR G24

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Good day,
I'm currently building a Sunshine #92.4 PRR G24 gon for Auto frame loading.
The kit includes castings for the supporting frame for the load. However there is no good photo showing the proper assembly of the frame rack.
Can someone point me to a good photo of this frame?
Thanks,
Pierre Oliver


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

Ken O'Brien
 

Gentlemen, Thank you all for the inputs and re-directing me on the ends. Looks like the Red Caboose 7003 body will do the correct sides for the 8501-8750 series. I also see that Detail Associates makes a pretty close 4/5 Dreadnaught end for me. Hope its close to the correct height.

Ken

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

Ken, Red Caboose does/did sell their roofs separately. So, order some when you order the kit. I believe Detail West still makes a square corner 4/4 DE that should come close to fitting on the RC body.

Gentleman, Start your chainsaws ! It's time to whack and hack !!
Clark Propst


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@> wrote:

The series I want to replicate is the 8501-8750 cars with Dreadnaught ends and Standard Improved (raised panel?) roofs, purchased in 1934. These bodies were the ARA pattern, which I understand Red Caboose still does as an undec kit. I see this kit comes with a flat panel roof, so I want to get some replacement raised non-diagonal panel roofs. Are they made by somebody and can I get a couple?

Ken O'Brien


Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Staffan

Catching up on old emails.... Andy is partly correct -- these cars
were rebuilt from modified 1937 AAR box cars with 5/5 ends and 10'6"
inside height. I have a later photo that shows the ends and roof and
a new number series in the Good Track paint scheme.

Tim O'Connor

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170492085140

Are you sure? It seems to have diagonal panel roof and a 10'6 interior
height, seems aq little more recent than '37.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

The 40' plug door car has early Dreadnaught ends. Obviously rebuilt from a
single door 10 panel '37 AAR boxcar.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: L&NE 8001-8500 (was Raised panel roof replacement)

Tim O'Connor
 

Oops!! Sorry.

My bad John -- I just double checked my LNE #8208 (RC 7014-1) and
indeed it does have the 1928 X29 rivet pattern! This is also the
rivet pattern Red Caboose redid with a patched side, so as far as
I know the patched RC sides are only correct for some PRR cars and
all the factory painted L&NE cars are wrong.

It's hard to keep track of all these rivet patterns since RC did
such a bang up job of random mixing and matching after going to
the trouble of making three different, and correct, body styles
(1923 ARA/M-26, 1924 X29/M-26b, 1928 X29).

Tim O'Connor

Thanks. I will keep my eyes open for the correct ones when visiting
hobby shops. They apparently have done the red cars both ways. The kit
I have is RC-7014-4 and, unfortunately, it is done on the X-29 body with
no patch panels. My plan was to buy one of the Speedwitch kits for the
decals, use a flat roof from another kit and paint it in the red color.

John King


--- Tim O'Connor wrote:

The LNE 8001-8500 series used the 1923 ARA side pattern. Red Caboose
did these correctly as unmodified cars. Later Red Caboose released
"patched" cars in black LNE billboard paint, but the patched RC body
uses the X29 side pattern so it is incorrect for LNE 8001-8500.

According to a Greg Bartek email of 11/12/2005 (RPM-Forum] not all of
the flat-roof cars received replacement roofs. But I haven't seen any
photos of flat-roof cars in the 1950's, yet.

Tim O'Connor


You are correct Tom. I have too many models in my head. Regardless the correct roof
is available with Speedwitch's kit. I am not sure if LNE used the X29 or "1923" style
of body but I am sure the Speedwitch kit has the correct part.

The MEC kit comes with a choice of roofs.

Bill Welch


Re: Otto Frei Baby Pin Vise

steve_wintner
 

Yes, I use it for most of the holes I drill - though I did not get it from Otto Frei, whatever I have is very similar if not the same. Very happy with it.

I feel I have better control / feel due to the small size of the vise - so fewer broken bits etc.

The only time I use one of my others is for holes which are too big for this one.

Have fun
Steve

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Riley K" <riley050748@...> wrote:

This tiny pin vise looks interesting for drilling holes for underbody car piping. Has anyone had experience with it?

Thanks,

Riley Kinney


Re: stringers

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Andy,

Still no guarantee the IC didn't put extra stringers on in 1938 even if slightly less likely.

Staffan

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] stringers



Look at the Branchline shake-the-box (Yardmaster) '37 AAR boxcar-it has a single
stringer along each side of the center sill.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

________________________________


Re: stringers

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

The A.A.R. 1937 design had two stringers, one on each side. But MILW rib side boxes had four stringers already in 1939 at least, ahead of the 1940 recommendation and 1942 design. Unfortunately IC diagrams don't show the stringer arrangement whereas the GN diagrams I'm used to do.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Greene
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] stringers



Drawings for Southern 40 ton 1937 box cars (10000-, 260500-, 306000-)
show one stringer each side of the center sill.

Tim O'Connor wrote:
> The AAR 1940 Car Construction recommendation was two on each side
> of the center sill. But prior to that I just don't know, and AFAIK
> none of the 1937 AAR box car models has gotten it right (I mean, I
> can't confirm if any of them is correct).
>
> Tim O'Connor

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: stringers

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Ed,

Thank you very much for wanting to check out the drawing. When you do, please, report to the list as more persons than I seem to want to know.

Gratefully,
Staffan

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Hawkins
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] stringers




On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Staffan Ehnbom wrote:

> Would anyone know how many stringers were under the floor of IC box
> cars series 17000-18999 blt 1938? Two or four?
>
Staffan,
I don't know for sure without checking, but general arrangement and
brake arrangement drawings for these cars are at the Museum of
Transportation. They are AC&F drawing no. 6152497 and 6152498,
respectively. I can check on this the next time I visit the MOT, but I
don't know when that will be.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Raised panel roof replacement

boyds1949 <E27ca@...>
 

Tim,

Thanks. I will keep my eyes open for the correct ones when visiting hobby shops. They apparantly have done the red cars both ways. The kit I have is RC-7014-4 and, unfortunately, it is done on the X-29 body with no patch panels. My plan was to buy one of the Speedwitch kits for the decals, use a flat roof from another kit and paint it in the red color.

John King

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


The LNE 8001-8500 series used the 1923 ARA side pattern. Red Caboose
did these correctly as unmodified cars. Later Red Caboose released
"patched" cars in black LNE billboard paint, but the patched RC body
uses the X29 side pattern so it is incorrect for LNE 8001-8500.

According to a Greg Bartek email of 11/12/2005 (RPM-Forum] not all of
the flat-roof cars received replacement roofs. But I haven't seen any
photos of flat-roof cars in the 1950's, yet.

Tim O'Connor


You are correct Tom. I have too many models in my head. Regardless the correct roof
is available with Speedwitch's kit. I am not sure if LNE used the X29 or "1923" style
of body but I am sure the Speedwitch kit has the correct part.

The MEC kit comes with a choice of roofs.

Bill Welch


Re: stringers

Frank Greene
 

Drawings for Southern 40 ton 1937 box cars (10000-, 260500-, 306000-) show one stringer each side of the center sill.



Tim O'Connor wrote:

The AAR 1940 Car Construction recommendation was two on each side
of the center sill. But prior to that I just don't know, and AFAIK
none of the 1937 AAR box car models has gotten it right (I mean, I
can't confirm if any of them is correct).

Tim O'Connor
--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


sheet brass

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

It wasn't until recently that I was told that Russ Simpson had died. We bought out brass strips from him (1,000 at a time, therefore the delay). Does anyone know of another source? I'd hate to purchase a cutter for the last few months we'll be in business. - Al Westerfield


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

Andy Carlson
 

I have a good supply of Red Caboose '37 AAR roofs available for $1.75 each.
Contact me off-list if interested in particulars at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




________________________________
From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com>



"We dislike doing this but do to extremely poor individual parts sales it has
been decided to pull all parts from inventory. Sales are very slow, one of this,
one of that and almost no repeat for the same part, The cost to keep parts
available is 100s of times greater than the sales. Therefore, parts in N, HO & O
are no longer available. This does not effect undecorated kits."

Tom Madden


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Clark Propst:
Ken, Red Caboose does/did sell their roofs separately. So, order
some when you order the kit.
Not anymore. This from Red Caboose's home page (typos and all):

"We dislike doing this but do to extremely poor individual parts sales it has been decided to pull all parts from inventory. Sales are very slow, one of this, one of that and almost no repeat for the same part, The cost to keep parts available is 100s of times greater than the sales. Therefore, parts in N, HO & O are no longer available. This does not effect undecorated kits."

Tom Madden


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

Clark Propst
 

Ken, Red Caboose does/did sell their roofs separately. So, order some when you order the kit. I believe Detail West still makes a square corner 4/4 DE that should come close to fitting on the RC body.

Gentleman, Start your chainsaws ! It's time to whack and hack !!
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@...> wrote:

The series I want to replicate is the 8501-8750 cars with Dreadnaught ends and Standard Improved (raised panel?) roofs, purchased in 1934. These bodies were the ARA pattern, which I understand Red Caboose still does as an undec kit. I see this kit comes with a flat panel roof, so I want to get some replacement raised non-diagonal panel roofs. Are they made by somebody and can I get a couple?

Ken O'Brien


Re: stringers

Andy Carlson
 

Look at the Branchline shake-the-box (Yardmaster) '37 AAR boxcar-it has a single
stringer along each side of the center sill.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>

The AAR 1940 Car Construction recommendation was two on each side
of the center sill. But prior to that I just don't know, and AFAIK
none of the 1937 AAR box car models has gotten it right (I mean, I
can't confirm if any of them is correct).


Re: stringers

Tim O'Connor
 

Staffan if you ever find out please let us know! :-)

The AAR 1940 Car Construction recommendation was two on each side
of the center sill. But prior to that I just don't know, and AFAIK
none of the 1937 AAR box car models has gotten it right (I mean, I
can't confirm if any of them is correct).

Tim O'Connor

Would anyone know how many stringers were under the floor of IC box cars series 17000-18999 blt 1938? Two or four?

Staffan Ehnbom


Re: Raised panel roof replacement

Tim O'Connor
 

The LNE 8001-8500 series used the 1923 ARA side pattern. Red Caboose
did these correctly as unmodified cars. Later Red Caboose released
"patched" cars in black LNE billboard paint, but the patched RC body
uses the X29 side pattern so it is incorrect for LNE 8001-8500.

According to a Greg Bartek email of 11/12/2005 (RPM-Forum] not all of
the flat-roof cars received replacement roofs. But I haven't seen any
photos of flat-roof cars in the 1950's, yet.

Tim O'Connor

You are correct Tom. I have too many models in my head. Regardless the correct roof
is available with Speedwitch's kit. I am not sure if LNE used the X29 or "1923" style
of body but I am sure the Speedwitch kit has the correct part.

The MEC kit comes with a choice of roofs.

Bill Welch


Re: Reefer Storage

rwitt_2000
 

Bob,

I once observed a string of "bad order" boxcars on the B&O in storage at
Caseyville, Illinois in ~1962 that stretched for a mile or more without
any breaks. These, of course, were all steel-sheathed with wood linings
with lots of class M-26 ARA boxcars.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Bob Chaparro wrote:

I understand that on some railroads wood sheathed refrigerator cars
were parked in groups of five for extended storage . The groups were
separated by a space to inhibit the spread of fire in the string of
stored cars.

Would this also have been the case for steel sheathed cars with wood
interiors? Were other kinds of cars stored in this manner?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Reefer Storage

Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

I understand that on some railroads wood sheathed refrigerator cars were parked in groups of five for extended storage . The groups were separated by a space to inhibit the spread of fire in the string of stored cars.

Would this also have been the case for steel sheathed cars with wood interiors? Were other kinds of cars stored in this manner?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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