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Re: demise of kits

Mark
 

I had a chance to get to the basement and run some trains. While they ran I got busy with three RTR Proto NKP 50' boxcars with horn hook couplers! replaced them with knuckle ones and noticed a derailment. An Accurail kit, three bay hopper was on the ground. Replaced the trucks with metal wheels and removed the plastic knuckles for #58's.
Got back to operating and noticed the better cars, rivet drooling :-). Turned around to a set of drawers and looked at some stock. Pulled out three wagon top cars, two brass and one heavily worked styrene put them on the track and boy they look good. That drawer has seven M53, four M26, eight mather stockcars and about fourteen other kits. A plastic container with fifty resin kits and another 50 Branchline cars!

What we need are 10' H boxcars with a variety of roofs, doors and ends. There are others.

Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net> wrote:

From: Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] demise of kits
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:25 PM







 









Ed,I have something like five or six unbuilt kits and three of them are currently under construction.If you have any kits you do not want or do not have time to build please send me your list.Armand Premo

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From: ed_mines

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:10 PM

Subject: [STMFC] demise of kits



I think the facts that most model railroaders have 2 lifetime supplies of kits and that they ruin many of those kits when they try to build them are mostly responsible for the demise of kits. Better to buy one built up model and enjoy it on the shelf than have 3 more in boxes in the closet.



Now if we had some new blood coming into the hobby they'd be building up collections of boxes in the closet but that's not the case.



It must be tough on new guys to pay big bucks for everything.



Atleast they're potential customers for kits in the closet.



Ed



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Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 6/24/2010 9:33 AM, cobrapsl@aol.com wrote:
Armand,

We have this discussion a number of times on this list. There is no way to compare the sales of resin kits to extruded plastic kits.

I agree however there appears to sometimes be a problem on how kits are marketed. An example is the IM atsf stock car kit. They set it up to have 4 different boxes which LHS's didn't want to stock, lots of shelf space. For adding a few cents worth of injected parts they could have put it all in one box.
It appears that they learned with the caboose kit as the first run sold out almost instantly. One kit with parts to build all the different cars.
While this doesn't work for decorated kits it sure does for undecs.

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Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Elden, and friends,

Yes, I hear the same things at my LHS (actually 70 miles away, not so local). They carry virtually no railroad car kits anymore, and basically I doubt if they can get many either.

I think the small niche market for special run kits like the reefers sold by the Amarillo group and others may be our last hope. That is, if the manufacturers remain willing to work with those clubs.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

I had some manufacturers, hobby shop owners, and modelers (or buyers of
models) get pretty brutal this past year, when I expressed some similar
ponderings. Here is what I got from each:

Manufacturer: "You just don't understand the realities of the model
railroading industry. No one wants kits anymore, they want RTR. You are in
a group that is outnumbered a hundred to one. You are one of the only people
I know still building kits."

Hobby Shop Owner: "You don't understand that the industry has gone to RTR,
and I won't stock kits on my shelves because they won't sell. The buying
public wants something they can plop right onto the layout....with sound."

Modeler: "You don't understand. I can't build stuff like you do. I can't
building resin kits, or paint or decal, or weather stuff. I want a working
layout in my lifetime."

OK, I get it.

I still think there is a market for limited-run, very accurate, freight car
kits, perhaps even with pre-painted and lettered parts, for those of us,
small in number, that like to build something unique, and meaningful for a
layout, with a statistically representative fleet.

Call me crazy.

Elden Gatwood


Re: demise of kits

Armand Premo
 

Ed,I have something like five or six unbuilt kits and three of them are currently under construction.If you have any kits you do not want or do not have time to build please send me your list.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: [STMFC] demise of kits



I think the facts that most model railroaders have 2 lifetime supplies of kits and that they ruin many of those kits when they try to build them are mostly responsible for the demise of kits. Better to buy one built up model and enjoy it on the shelf than have 3 more in boxes in the closet.

Now if we had some new blood coming into the hobby they'd be building up collections of boxes in the closet but that's not the case.

It must be tough on new guys to pay big bucks for everything.

Atleast they're potential customers for kits in the closet.

Ed






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Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I had some manufacturers, hobby shop owners, and modelers (or buyers of
models) get pretty brutal this past year, when I expressed some similar
ponderings. Here is what I got from each:

Manufacturer: "You just don't understand the realities of the model
railroading industry. No one wants kits anymore, they want RTR. You are in
a group that is outnumbered a hundred to one. You are one of the only people
I know still building kits."

Hobby Shop Owner: "You don't understand that the industry has gone to RTR,
and I won't stock kits on my shelves because they won't sell. The buying
public wants something they can plop right onto the layout....with sound."

Modeler: "You don't understand. I can't build stuff like you do. I can't
building resin kits, or paint or decal, or weather stuff. I want a working
layout in my lifetime."

OK, I get it.

I still think there is a market for limited-run, very accurate, freight car
kits, perhaps even with pre-painted and lettered parts, for those of us,
small in number, that like to build something unique, and meaningful for a
layout, with a statistically representative fleet.

Call me crazy.

Elden Gatwood

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
cobrapsl@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:34 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings




Armand,

We have this discussion a number of times on this list. There is no way to
compare the sales of resin kits to extruded plastic kits. I BIG run of a
resin model is 300. Someone like Intermountain needs to sell a 1000 plus kits
JUST to recovery the cost of the tooling! A "humble" math exerise here should
explain the problem. 1000 kits to pay for the tooling and 1000 kits for a
reason return on there investment, means the manufacturer needs to sell 2000
kits, at a minimum, to have a reasonably successful model! My numbers are
probably low. So with sales of 300, the resin manufacturer is beaming from
ear to ear; and if he managed to sell 2000 kits the plastic manufacturer is
wondering if he wants to do that again. If plastic manufacturers could make a
profit on 300 kits, I suspect we would have a model of every prototype
freight car that was ever been built.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net
<mailto:armprem2%40surfglobal.net> >
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:39 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Andy,In my humble opinion there is plenty of room for both.Unfortunately
undecorated kits lie dormant because of a lack of appropriate decals or dry
transfers.How do you explain the popularity of resin kits and the multitude
of laser cut building kits?Somebody must be buying them.The largest
investment is in the cutting of dies.Once done, the cheapest part of the
operation is decorating the car body for more than one era or one paint
scheme.There are many who like to kit bash or further enhance current
offerings.If there are any out there who might have kits that they aren't
going to build get them out there so others who build, will.It is very
difficult to have to strip a RTR car and reletter or super detail it.Until
the manufacturers realize that there is a market for both ,I'll continue to
spend my money on resin.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Wasn't that long ago we were lamenting the disappearance of kits as companies
such as Intermountain and Red Caboose were moving their production into
mostly Factory assembled offerings.

Later, Branchline-Trains, with a rich catalog of pre-finished kits, joined
the march into offering RTR cars.

Now we have Intermountain offering ZERO painted/lettered kits, only undecs
are available. Same with Red Caboose. Branchline-Trains appears to be moving
into only Yardmaster "shake the box" offerings, letting their very acceptable
Blueprint line wither down to only undec kits.

When this trend started, I felt that the demise of kits was because the lack
of offerings by the builders. Now I believe that they were probable correct,
kits sell very poorly. Bye Bye....

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

________________________________
Said "Gatwood, Elden J SAD ".....

Folks;

Speaking of Branchline and other kit manufacturers' box car offerings, are
there any plans you know of to offer additional paint and lettering schemes?

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Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Armand Premo
 

Paul,I quess you missed my point,or I did not express myself clearly.A manufacturer can market both kits and RTR.Most often a run of a basic car body type can be decorated for multiple prototypes.Some minor changes might be necessary to match a specific prototype.This will,or should, provide the necessary mass to attain profit of which you speak and also provide for the hobbyist who prefers ready to run and for those who prefer to build kits.To abandon the kit makers is essentially reducing the size of the market pool.The production of more modern prototypes further reduces the capital available for STMFCs......................... For the most part resin kits provide variety.I dread the thought of RTR resin <G>.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: cobrapsl@aol.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings




Armand,

We have this discussion a number of times on this list. There is no way to compare the sales of resin kits to extruded plastic kits. I BIG run of a resin model is 300. Someone like Intermountain needs to sell a 1000 plus kits JUST to recovery the cost of the tooling! A "humble" math exerise here should explain the problem. 1000 kits to pay for the tooling and 1000 kits for a reason return on there investment, means the manufacturer needs to sell 2000 kits, at a minimum, to have a reasonably successful model! My numbers are probably low. So with sales of 300, the resin manufacturer is beaming from ear to ear; and if he managed to sell 2000 kits the plastic manufacturer is wondering if he wants to do that again. If plastic manufacturers could make a profit on 300 kits, I suspect we would have a model of every prototype freight car that was ever been built.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:39 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Andy,In my humble opinion there is plenty of room for both.Unfortunately undecorated kits lie dormant because of a lack of appropriate decals or dry transfers.How do you explain the popularity of resin kits and the multitude of laser cut building kits?Somebody must be buying them.The largest investment is in the cutting of dies.Once done, the cheapest part of the operation is decorating the car body for more than one era or one paint scheme.There are many who like to kit bash or further enhance current offerings.If there are any out there who might have kits that they aren't going to build get them out there so others who build, will.It is very difficult to have to strip a RTR car and reletter or super detail it.Until the manufacturers realize that there is a market for both ,I'll continue to spend my money on resin.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Wasn't that long ago we were lamenting the disappearance of kits as companies such as Intermountain and Red Caboose were moving their production into mostly Factory assembled offerings.

Later, Branchline-Trains, with a rich catalog of pre-finished kits, joined the march into offering RTR cars.

Now we have Intermountain offering ZERO painted/lettered kits, only undecs are available. Same with Red Caboose. Branchline-Trains appears to be moving into only Yardmaster "shake the box" offerings, letting their very acceptable Blueprint line wither down to only undec kits.

When this trend started, I felt that the demise of kits was because the lack of offerings by the builders. Now I believe that they were probable correct, kits sell very poorly. Bye Bye....

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

________________________________
Said "Gatwood, Elden J SAD ".....

Folks;

Speaking of Branchline and other kit manufacturers' box car offerings, are
there any plans you know of to offer additional paint and lettering schemes?

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Re: Red BallReefers

Rhbale@...
 

Stan is correct. K & D became Kadee, with the name coming from the first
names of the founders, Keith and Dale Edwards, who were identical twins.
Even as adults, they delighted in confusing people about who was who.

Richard Bale

In a message dated 6/24/2010 1:29:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
coronadoscalemod@aol.com writes:




Kadee was was formed by Keith and Dale Edwards. I always thought the K was
for Keith and the D was for Dale.

Stan Schwedler

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Vanderlip" <thomasvanderlip@...> wrote:

JP,
Wasn't M. Dale Newton the Dee in Kadee? I seem to remember that from
somewhere in the cobwebs of time.
Thom




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demise of kits

ed_mines
 

I think the facts that most model railroaders have 2 lifetime supplies of kits and that they ruin many of those kits when they try to build them are mostly responsible for the demise of kits. Better to buy one built up model and enjoy it on the shelf than have 3 more in boxes in the closet.

Now if we had some new blood coming into the hobby they'd be building up collections of boxes in the closet but that's not the case.

It must be tough on new guys to pay big bucks for everything.

Atleast they're potential customers for kits in the closet.

Ed


Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Paul Lyons
 

Armand,

We have this discussion a number of times on this list. There is no way to compare the sales of resin kits to extruded plastic kits. I BIG run of a resin model is 300. Someone like Intermountain needs to sell a 1000 plus kits JUST to recovery the cost of the tooling! A "humble" math exerise here should explain the problem. 1000 kits to pay for the tooling and 1000 kits for a reason return on there investment, means the manufacturer needs to sell 2000 kits, at a minimum, to have a reasonably successful model! My numbers are probably low. So with sales of 300, the resin manufacturer is beaming from ear to ear; and if he managed to sell 2000 kits the plastic manufacturer is wondering if he wants to do that again. If plastic manufacturers could make a profit on 300 kits, I suspect we would have a model of every prototype freight car that was ever been built.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:39 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings




Andy,In my humble opinion there is plenty of room for both.Unfortunately undecorated kits lie dormant because of a lack of appropriate decals or dry transfers.How do you explain the popularity of resin kits and the multitude of laser cut building kits?Somebody must be buying them.The largest investment is in the cutting of dies.Once done, the cheapest part of the operation is decorating the car body for more than one era or one paint scheme.There are many who like to kit bash or further enhance current offerings.If there are any out there who might have kits that they aren't going to build get them out there so others who build, will.It is very difficult to have to strip a RTR car and reletter or super detail it.Until the manufacturers realize that there is a market for both ,I'll continue to spend my money on resin.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Wasn't that long ago we were lamenting the disappearance of kits as companies such as Intermountain and Red Caboose were moving their production into mostly Factory assembled offerings.

Later, Branchline-Trains, with a rich catalog of pre-finished kits, joined the march into offering RTR cars.

Now we have Intermountain offering ZERO painted/lettered kits, only undecs are available. Same with Red Caboose. Branchline-Trains appears to be moving into only Yardmaster "shake the box" offerings, letting their very acceptable Blueprint line wither down to only undec kits.

When this trend started, I felt that the demise of kits was because the lack of offerings by the builders. Now I believe that they were probable correct, kits sell very poorly. Bye Bye....

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

________________________________
Said "Gatwood, Elden J SAD ".....

Folks;

Speaking of Branchline and other kit manufacturers' box car offerings, are
there any plans you know of to offer additional paint and lettering schemes?

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Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

SUVCWORR@...
 

Elden,

From the dealers fliers from Branchline and conversations with my account rep, they are in the process of dumping the remaining passenger cars. Prices are greatly reduced on selected cars. Likewise they have reduced the dealer cost for the Billboard reefers to reduce inventory. The only thing "new" is artwork and numbers for the Yardmaster series. They have been slowly redoing the artwork for these cars and adding 4 new numbers. I know they have been provided photos of 1937 AAR cars in schemes not done in the Yardmaster series (I provided some of them) but they have not produced these cars. If you noticed BL has stopped advertising since Bill left for Rapido.

All of the emphasis on new BL items has been on the laser cut structures. They continue to increase these items..

There were/are plans to introduce new models but nothing has been done beyond plans at this point.

In my opinion, BL is reverting to its roots as a distributor (they began life as Hobby Store Distributors). They have been increasing the manufacturers they are carrying.


Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:55 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings


Folks;



Speaking of Branchline and other kit manufacturers' box car offerings, are

there any plans you know of to offer additional paint and lettering schemes?



Is there any interest in some of the cars that have not been done recently,

in a better form, like a welded 40-foot box car, 40-foot cars with

overhanging diagonal roofs, cars with odd ends, etc.? At

Branchline/Kadee/(add others) level of quality?



Or are post-war box car offerings now generally believed to be DOA? It seems

like recent offerings are overwhelmingly pre-war.



Elden Gatwood





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Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 6/24/2010 7:39 AM, Armand Premo wrote:
Andy,In my humble opinion there is plenty of room for both.Unfortunately undecorated kits lie dormant because of a lack of appropriate decals or dry transfers.How do you explain the popularity of resin kits and the multitude of laser cut building kits?
Remember most/some of the resin kits manufactures have very good decals available separately. I have often wondered why the other decal makers seem to get all the business when the other decals are available.
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Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Armand Premo
 

Andy,In my humble opinion there is plenty of room for both.Unfortunately undecorated kits lie dormant because of a lack of appropriate decals or dry transfers.How do you explain the popularity of resin kits and the multitude of laser cut building kits?Somebody must be buying them.The largest investment is in the cutting of dies.Once done, the cheapest part of the operation is decorating the car body for more than one era or one paint scheme.There are many who like to kit bash or further enhance current offerings.If there are any out there who might have kits that they aren't going to build get them out there so others who build, will.It is very difficult to have to strip a RTR car and reletter or super detail it.Until the manufacturers realize that there is a market for both ,I'll continue to spend my money on resin.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings



Wasn't that long ago we were lamenting the disappearance of kits as companies such as Intermountain and Red Caboose were moving their production into mostly Factory assembled offerings.

Later, Branchline-Trains, with a rich catalog of pre-finished kits, joined the march into offering RTR cars.

Now we have Intermountain offering ZERO painted/lettered kits, only undecs are available. Same with Red Caboose. Branchline-Trains appears to be moving into only Yardmaster "shake the box" offerings, letting their very acceptable Blueprint line wither down to only undec kits.

When this trend started, I felt that the demise of kits was because the lack of offerings by the builders. Now I believe that they were probable correct, kits sell very poorly. Bye Bye....

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

________________________________
Said "Gatwood, Elden J SAD ".....

Folks;

Speaking of Branchline and other kit manufacturers' box car offerings, are
there any plans you know of to offer additional paint and lettering schemes?








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Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Andy Carlson
 

Wasn't that long ago we were lamenting the disappearance of kits as companies such as Intermountain and Red Caboose were moving their production into mostly Factory assembled offerings.

Later, Branchline-Trains, with a rich catalog of pre-finished kits, joined the march into offering RTR cars.

Now we have Intermountain offering ZERO painted/lettered kits, only undecs are available. Same with Red Caboose. Branchline-Trains appears to be moving into only Yardmaster "shake the box" offerings, letting their very acceptable Blueprint line wither down to only undec kits.

When this trend started, I felt that the demise of kits was because the lack of offerings by the builders. Now I believe that they were probable correct, kits sell very poorly. Bye Bye....

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




________________________________
Said "Gatwood, Elden J SAD ".....


Folks;

Speaking of Branchline and other kit manufacturers' box car offerings, are
there any plans you know of to offer additional paint and lettering schemes?


Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

Speaking of Branchline and other kit manufacturers' box car offerings, are
there any plans you know of to offer additional paint and lettering schemes?

Is there any interest in some of the cars that have not been done recently,
in a better form, like a welded 40-foot box car, 40-foot cars with
overhanging diagonal roofs, cars with odd ends, etc.? At
Branchline/Kadee/(add others) level of quality?

Or are post-war box car offerings now generally believed to be DOA? It seems
like recent offerings are overwhelmingly pre-war.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Mystery Boxcar

olin4812
 

Thanks Gary, If Wabash was in the habit of using boxcars for erosion control, then maybe that means that it's likely that the double door car is a "system" car, which could narrow my search a bit. I do know that NKP reroofed a lot of older cars with diagonal panels ....

Olin Dirks
Omaha, NE


Some items For Sale ...

dakkinder
 

Up for sale is 2 brand new and never used 1 ounce bottles of Scalecoat paint
Boxcar Red #S2013 is Scalecoat II and the other is Boxcar Red #2 S2087 is
Scalecoat I. I also i have a new pint of Scalecoat II thinner .

Sale price for all $13.00 for all of it shipping not included .
if interested contact me at dakkinder@...

Doug Kinder


Re: NP Truss Rod Reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 23, 2010, at 9:02 PM, cobrapsl@aol.com wrote:

I recently bought a HO scale W&R brass Northern Pacific wood reefer
with a "fishbelly" center sill and a truss rod outboard on each
side. The car has the standard NP radial roof and a vertical brake
staff. It has a 1917 build date and is painted in company service
with a 1937 date, I believe the correct number series for these
cars were #94400-899; and #94900-95999. Road number of the model is
94564. My question is how long did these car run in revenue
service. Looking in my 1944 ORES, it shows 471 cars in these two
series and 62 are still shown in the 1950 ORES. I am having trouble
believing there were still 62 truss rod reefers running in revenuse
service in 1950. Was there maybe a re-numbering in the late 40's?
Any info is greatly appreicated.

Paul Lyons
Paul, your doubts are unfounded. Remember. those cars had fishbelly
steel center sills which took all the pulling and buffing forces; the
truss rods only supported the side sills. The cars were never
renumbered and the ORER data on cars remaining in service is correct.

Richard Hendrickson


NP Truss Rod Reefers

Paul Lyons
 

I recently bought a HO scale W&R brass Northern Pacific wood reefer with a "fishbelly" center sill and a truss rod outboard on each side. The car has the standard NP radial roof and a vertical brake staff. It has a 1917 build date and is painted in company service with a 1937 date, I believe the correct number series for these cars were #94400-899; and #94900-95999. Road number of the model is 94564. My question is how long did these car run in revenue service. Looking in my 1944 ORES, it shows 471 cars in these two series and 62 are still shown in the 1950 ORES. I am having trouble believing there were still 62 truss rod reefers running in revenuse service in 1950. Was there maybe a re-numbering in the late 40's? Any info is greatly appreicated.

Paul Lyons


Re: Wabash AC& F Cabooses circa 1925-27 <was> Gould Standard Wooden Cabooses -

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mbcarson2002" <mbcarson@...> wrote:

Thank you for the information, Victor

Did the special issue give you any insight into Wabash cabooses that might have built during the Gould era? IIRC, George Gould lost control of the roads he controlled (including the Wabash) circa 1911 - 1912. Some of the AC&F cabooses were delivered to Missouri Pacific just about the time Gould was losing control.
Mike,

The Wabash, purchased or built, forty three 34' wood cabooses in 1910-1911. They added 16 more in 1912. The cars were randomly numbered between 2000 - 2447. Caboose 2229, residing at the Museum of Transport in St Louis, is a 1904 built 28' car.

Regarding the cars in the subject line, cars 2600 - 2624 were built by AC&F in 1925. The Wabash built copies, 2625 - 2644 in 1927, and 2645 - 2653 in 1929.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


B&O USRA Box Car Color - 1930's? D&H Caboose Red?

PARK <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I am in the process of painting a USRA box car for the B&O circa 1930's. The Westerfield directions mention D&H caboose red is a near perfect match. Only problem is floquil no longer makes this color. Anyone have any ideas for a sub? Thanks.

Jason Sanford

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