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Re: SP paint & lettering (was Tangent G-70-12 for other classes)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
In 1955 SP began applying the large gothic road name -- this was placed to the left of the door, while the medallion remained on the right. It's my theory that many cars simply got the new bold road name and number (after 1956) and the medallion was simply left alone.
This is certainly true. Some photos clearly show the medallion paint as a little dirty and faded, compared to the new lettering. But many others show all new lettering, including medallions.

FULLY repainted cars are easy to spot -- the medallion is gone and the bold Southern Pacific road name is now on the right side of the car.
I'm not sure what Tim means to say here, but the SP lettering drawings DID show the billboard lettering ALONG WITH the medallion until the medallion was removed in the fall of 1957. So the impression should not be given that any "FULLY repainted" car would not have a medallion. They certainly did get medallions until late 1957.

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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
OOoh! Ooooh!! I get to correct Tony!!! :-)
The SP billboard lettering began in 1955. SP's B-50-36 and B-50-37 double door box cars cars were delivered with billboard (aka gothic) roadname plus b&w medallions.
Tim is right. I should have double-checked before sending. The billboard lettering was first applied to cars in the summer of 1955 as an experiment, and adopted as the new standard that fall. The 1956 renumbering didn't start until mid-1956. Obviously I got these reversed in my previous post.
All I had to do was look at my own SP freight car books :>(

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Re: SP paint & lettering (was Tangent G-70-12 for other classes)

Tim O'Connor
 

Elden

I have wondered myself how SP cars were treated when renumbered.
For example, some of these cars were not old at all when they
were renumbered, so why repaint them entirely?

In 1955 SP began applying the large gothic road name -- this was
placed to the left of the door, while the medallion remained on
the right. It's my theory that many cars simply got the new bold
road name and number (after 1956) and the medallion was simply
left alone.

My comments about right and left positions refer only to
single door box cars. On double and combination door cars
SP in 1955 began putting reporting marks and road name to
the right and medallion to the left. I have a beautiful photo
of SP 64007 A-50-13 repainted this way in 1955.

FULLY repainted cars are easy to spot -- the medallion is gone
and the bold Southern Pacific road name is now on the right side
of the car. On gondolas, since the bold road name was centered
on the side, the medallion remained in place forever on some cars
(it can be seen on gondolas into the 1980's).

Tim O'Connor

Thank you for all of those insights, Tony!

Elden "I am now wondering how to paint a B-50-12A in its new number" Gatwood

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Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Did the fall '57 "new look" go immediately to Billboard, or were there
variations in there, too? Is the Athearn billboard-painted 65- foot
gon accurately painted, as far as you can tell?
The renumbering we SP folk all call the 1956 renumbering really started in
1955, whereas the billboard gothic lettering came in 1956. There are
examples, though not many, of repainted and renumbered cars which did not get
the billboard scheme. But in general, any repainted car which was renumbered
can be assumed to have the billboard lettering too. The round medallion
continued to be used alongside the gothic billboard until the fall of 1957,
but was discontinued thereafter.

Also, I have seen a lot of 40-foot 10' IH SP box cars (as well as
earlier ATSF 40-footers) that stayed in their earlier schemes well
into the 1970's. Was this because of their later usage primarily as
seasonal grain loaders (and sitting much of their time otherwise
empty), or just because the RR didn't want to spend money on
repainting eqpt that didn't have that much longer?
I'm not privy to management perspectives on this, but certainly there were
older cars which got renumbering and not repainting. I can't supply reasons.
But SP didn't have that much grain service, so I don't think that rationale
helps much with the SP cars.


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Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

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let me know if I've screwed up anything.

Jim Hayes
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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Tim O'Connor
 

OOoh! Ooooh!! I get to correct Tony!!! :-)

The SP billboard lettering began in 1955. SP's B-50-36 and
B-50-37 double door box cars cars were delivered with billboard
(aka gothic) roadname plus b&w medallions.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/6/2009 02:04 PM Friday, you wrote:
Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Did the fall '57 "new look" go immediately to Billboard, or were
there variations in there, too? Is the Athearn billboard-painted 65-
foot gon accurately painted, as far as you can tell?
The renumbering we SP folk all call the 1956 renumbering
really started in 1955, whereas the billboard gothic lettering came in
1956. There are examples, though not many, of repainted and renumbered
cars which did not get the billboard scheme. But in general, any
repainted car which was renumbered can be assumed to have the
billboard lettering too. The round medallion continued to be used
alongside the gothic billboard until the fall of 1957, but was
discontinued thereafter.

Also, I have seen a lot of 40-foot 10' IH SP box cars (as well as
earlier ATSF 40-footers) that stayed in their earlier schemes well
into the 1970's. Was this because of their later usage primarily as
seasonal grain loaders (and sitting much of their time otherwise
empty), or just because the RR didn't want to spend money on
repainting eqpt that didn't have that much longer?
I'm not privy to management perspectives on this, but certainly
there were older cars which got renumbering and not repainting. I
can't supply reasons. But SP didn't have that much grain service, so I
don't think that rationale helps much with the SP cars.

Tony Thompson


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thank you for all of those insights, Tony!

Elden "I am now wondering how to paint a B-50-12A in its new number" Gatwood

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Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Did the fall '57 "new look" go immediately to Billboard, or were there
variations in there, too? Is the Athearn billboard-painted 65- foot
gon accurately painted, as far as you can tell?
The renumbering we SP folk all call the 1956 renumbering really started in
1955, whereas the billboard gothic lettering came in 1956. There are
examples, though not many, of repainted and renumbered cars which did not get
the billboard scheme. But in general, any repainted car which was renumbered
can be assumed to have the billboard lettering too. The round medallion
continued to be used alongside the gothic billboard until the fall of 1957,
but was discontinued thereafter.

Also, I have seen a lot of 40-foot 10' IH SP box cars (as well as
earlier ATSF 40-footers) that stayed in their earlier schemes well
into the 1970's. Was this because of their later usage primarily as
seasonal grain loaders (and sitting much of their time otherwise
empty), or just because the RR didn't want to spend money on
repainting eqpt that didn't have that much longer?
I'm not privy to management perspectives on this, but certainly there were
older cars which got renumbering and not repainting. I can't supply reasons.
But SP didn't have that much grain service, so I don't think that rationale
helps much with the SP cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Did the fall '57 "new look" go immediately to Billboard, or were there variations in there, too? Is the Athearn billboard-painted 65- foot gon accurately painted, as far as you can tell?
The renumbering we SP folk all call the 1956 renumbering really started in 1955, whereas the billboard gothic lettering came in 1956. There are examples, though not many, of repainted and renumbered cars which did not get the billboard scheme. But in general, any repainted car which was renumbered can be assumed to have the billboard lettering too. The round medallion continued to be used alongside the gothic billboard until the fall of 1957, but was discontinued thereafter.

Also, I have seen a lot of 40-foot 10' IH SP box cars (as well as earlier ATSF 40-footers) that stayed in their earlier schemes well into the 1970's. Was this because of their later usage primarily as seasonal grain loaders (and sitting much of their time otherwise empty), or just because the RR didn't want to spend money on repainting eqpt that didn't have that much longer?
I'm not privy to management perspectives on this, but certainly there were older cars which got renumbering and not repainting. I can't supply reasons. But SP didn't have that much grain service, so I don't think that rationale helps much with the SP cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Tony!

Did the fall '57 "new look" go immediately to Billboard, or were there
variations in there, too? Is the Athearn billboard-painted 65-foot gon
accurately painted, as far as you can tell?

Also, I have seen a lot of 40-foot 10' IH SP box cars (as well as earlier
ATSF 40-footers) that stayed in their earlier schemes well into the 1970's.
Was this because of their later usage primarily as seasonal grain loaders
(and sitting much of their time otherwise empty), or just because the RR
didn't want to spend money on repainting eqpt that didn't have that much
longer?

Elden Gatwood

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Anthony Thompson
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Gatwood, Elden wrote:
How long did the G-70-8 remain in black paint? When were both
repainted in the later scheme?
Whenever they needed repainting <g>, but I'd say soon after the 1956
renumbering started. SP not only renumbered the great bulk of its large fleet
in the first two years of the new system, but often repainted the entire car.
LIkewise, any car receiving extensive repairs would have been repainted too.
In a repaint (prior to fall, 1957), the bodies would have been BCR and the
medallions would have received black backgrounds.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Mini-kits

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Denis Blake wrote:
The correct trucks for the new SP caboose by WT are not available. We do include a nice set of Tahoe trucks, not just ordinary trucks..<G>
Yes, I only said that the kit "comes with trucks," but at least they are real caboose trucks, not generic "Bettendorf" or something akin.

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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gatwood, Elden wrote:
How long did the G-70-8 remain in black paint? When were both repainted in the later scheme?
Whenever they needed repainting <g>, but I'd say soon after the 1956 renumbering started. SP not only renumbered the great bulk of its large fleet in the first two years of the new system, but often repainted the entire car. LIkewise, any car receiving extensive repairs would have been repainted too. In a repaint (prior to fall, 1957), the bodies would have been BCR and the medallions would have received black backgrounds.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Modeling LCL

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Here's the LCL schedule for my town in the early 50s sent to me by Doug Harding. Looks like I might need three cars. I may just leave my ops it as is with one car a day coming and going.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...>
 

Rob if I understand your area of modelling interest correctly I think you have picked an area with lots of traffic potential, I believe you are modelling a time and place ie Vancouver from the end of the CPR tracks five miles east?
 
The CPR barge slips will give you an outlet for both PGE and the E&N and the GN/Yorke slip will give you an outlet for pulp/paper boxes plus a few inbound chemicals, fuel cars etc. As well you have many docks that can be included - I think the Evan Coleman dock operation at the foot of Columbia St would suit your modelling needs perfectly, variety in both commodities being handled and car type. See the City of Vancouver Archives  CVA1184-1882, 1184-1889, 1184-1890.
 
As for the time frame that tugboat operators or shippers set up subsidiary companies to handle their carload rail transportation needs, I see from a 1922 NYC Division Circular that lists both Kingcome Navigation (M&B subsidiary) and tugboat operator FM Yorke as participants in rail rates for Transcontinental Freight Traffic, both of whom would fit your time frame and location. I know Yorke predates this time, unsure if Kingcome was handling freight break bulk or via car barge at this time.
 
I think you will find anything shipped inwards by barge will return either loaded or unloaded to the same barge slip.
 
Of the listing of companies you have provided as operating marine routes into BC only Kingcome operated rail barges as well of course CP & CN. Some operators are missing from the listing including both Waterhouse and Union Steamship on the freighter side but both companies also show up as participants in the NYC Division Circular.  Gulf of Georgia was also involved in rail barge towing but probably only as a operator for some other firm.
 
Have you thought about including traffic to the CIL plant in James Island which would have been handled over the CP barge slips? Nothing like a few cars of high explosives to live up the operations session. 
 
Of the CPSS listings (CPR British Columbia Coastal Steamship Service) some are facilities where freight is handled only by break bulk in steamers. Of the car barge serviced destinations some would have had rail trackage but others simply a dock where the freight cars were loaded directly on the barge. Similar to some of the Interior Lakes barge stations at James Island they use to winch the cars off of the barges.  
 
As for the Great Northern operation they must have had enough traffic to run a daily train to Seattle when combined with their New Westminster/Brownsville traffic. Most of the pulp traffic would have gone GN, David Davies in his 1968 article in Canadian Rail #210 (reissued in The Sandhouse Vol 32, #4, Issue 128) gives the volume of traffic handled example would be Kingcome Navigation 26 cars runs week days Vancouver to Powell River plus makes three times weekly trips to the mill at Harmac. Should give you a few cars to run across the diamonds on Powell St plus some odd cars to switch out for the CNR or CPR interchange. 
 
Almost overwhelming the number of opportunities to demonstrate the flow of cars in your layout especially if the False Creek traffic is included.
 
Since you and I appear to be the only ones still interested in this thread maybe we should take anything further offline.
 
Ross McLeod Calgary
 
 

 


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Covered Gon/Flat Car Loads

John Hitzeman
 

For covered loads ----

Wipes, like the wet ones used for, well, you know ---
work great. Don't buy Huggies unless you want little
Teddy Bears and Rattles covering that large, industrial
load.

Generic brands and 'Wet Ones", IIRC, have no pattern
embossed on them. You may have to check around - buy
the little sample packs, for example.

Or, maybe some parents or grandparents on the list
can check your current brand if you have little kids, or
grand-kids in diapers. ;o)

The paper "cloth" used for wipes is more closely pressed
when they're manufactured. They are also stronger when
wet - obviously. TP can disintegrate quickly, but it works
if you're trying to model a plastic tarp exposed to a couple
of years of UV damage.

When you've accomplished finding suitable "wipes",
or should I say "tarps", use Acrylic Matte Medium - the
same stuff used to glue down scenery - and brush it over
the wipe/tarp covered load. You may want to put on two coats.

The other nice thing about wipes is that the "solvent" that
makes them wet usually has a little alcohol in it - this "wets"
the surface for you when applying the Matte Medium and/or
white glue.

Matte Medium will reduce "fuzzing" and also stays
somewhat flexible in case you need to wipe dust off
your load(s) later.

It also accepts paint nicely, including Floquil if airbrushed.

HTH -
John



John Hitzeman
AMB/LASERKit (tm)
Our 27th Year!
St. Louis, MO
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Re: Modeling LCL

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks for the help guys!
Last night I looked for the handout from Mark Vaughan's wonderful seminar on LCL at last year's Cocoa Beach meet. Here's his definitions of a couple types of LCL cars.

"Peddler car": Freight cars at the front of the train that carried LCL for
distribution by local freight trains. Bill Daranby's operation

"Freight forwarders": Loaded out whole cars of LCL to single destinations.
Will work for my operation.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Gondola loads

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Not for bridge parts loads.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Clark;

Is it a PRR gon, SP, Wabash? An "originating" load would be very
appropriate.

There were several bridge manufacturers on the PRR that would make that
bridge load very realistic. Do you have the AAR loading rules?

Elden Gatwood


-----Original Message-----
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Propst
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Gondola loads



I've been thinking of a load I can put in my new Tangent gon. one that would
terminate on my layout. I have Central Valley through truss bridge members I
can use.

But, I'd like to try a covered load. I was thinking of a styrene base (so the
car can be emptied) with several "tent poles" for lack of a better term glued
upright. I would cover these with a single ply of toilet tissue. Then paint a
proper color hoping the paint will make the tissue more rigid.
Anyone ever try this?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: Gondola loads

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

And I was thinking of small drops of diluted black paint far oil spills too. The weather is too nice to work on the load now, but It'll go to S@##@! soon and I'll get'r done.
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

If you "paint" the TP with white glue, it looks less fuzzy, and takes on a
better, more "canvassy" shape and appearance, IMO. Then you can paint it
when dry, with a canvas or OD color, and highlight.

Elden Gatwood

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riley
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Gondola loads



I have done this, myself using both TP and tissue paper. May I suggest
various odd shaped blocks of any material. Things like empty disposable razor
cartridges or similar material can be draped easily with the paper and
provide a defined but unidentifiable shape.

CJ Riley

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Clark Propst <cepropst@...
<mailto:cepropst%40netconx.net> > wrote:

From: Clark Propst <cepropst@... <mailto:cepropst%40netconx.net> >
Subject: [STMFC] Gondola loads
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 1:35 PM



I've been thinking of a load I can put in my new Tangent gon. one that would
terminate on my layout. I have Central Valley through truss bridge members I
can use.

But, I'd like to try a covered load. I was thinking of a styrene base (so the
car can be emptied) with several "tent poles" for lack of a better term glued
upright. I would cover these with a single ply of toilet tissue. Then paint a
proper color hoping the paint will make the tissue more rigid.

Anyone ever try this?

Clark Propst

Mason City Iowa

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email address was:Re: Frank Peacock

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I've been having trouble sending anything with attachments lately. Tried three times this morning to send some. Don't know what the trouble is?
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:

Clark,
I tried to send you private email but it's returned this sentence (with
other data of course);

Your access to this mail system has been rejected due to the sending MTA's
poor reputation. If you believe that this failure is in error, please
contact the intended recipient via alternate means.

Do you have any other email address?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Train Fest

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

There are plenty on good modelers there too. Al said he only brought one or two of his Milwaukee Road gondolas and sold them right away. Guess you got to know the market.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Jim King" <jimking3@...> wrote:

My hunch is that Milwaukee's Train Fest is targeted toward the general
public with very little to attract modelers interested in resin kits. At
least that's what I've heard since last year. Some year, I'll be at
Naperville too but not until I've expanded my HO offerings since that is the
main interest.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>







Re: Gondola loads

frograbbit602
 

Clark another material to use rather than tissue is camera lens cleaning paper/material, No fuzz. I have purchased the lens cleaning paper/material at camera stores. In addition, have used it for roof material ( no glue, just "paint it on".

Lester Breuer

--- In STMFC@..., "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> wrote:

I've been thinking of a load I can put in my new Tangent gon. one that would terminate on my layout. I have Central Valley through truss bridge members I can use.

But, I'd like to try a covered load. I was thinking of a styrene base (so the car can be emptied) with several "tent poles" for lack of a better term glued upright. I would cover these with a single ply of toilet tissue. Then paint a proper color hoping the paint will make the tissue more rigid.
Anyone ever try this?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit

mopacfirst
 

Simple - I'm doing a MoPac 86200 series car with the Superior doors, using a Life-Like (P2K) car I started on a few years ago. The P2K car has higher sides (taller doors) than the Branchline car and most other models, as well as some fairly flat detail compared to the Branchline, but it has the Murphy roof. Then I'll do a Wabash 18000 end-door or early 19000 normal-end box with the remainder of the parts and the Youngstown doors from the original model.

The MP cars, and some each for I-GN and StLB&M, were built by ACF about 6-45 and they have 5-5 ends. Sidesill details on the MoP cars require some cutting and just a bit of filling, and frankly the Branchline might have been easier except for the ends. There were other MP cars in earlier orders which had straight sills and fishbelly underframe, including the famous express cars, but the car referenced above is different.

There were some other MoP cars built in 1947, probably by MP at DeSoto, which have crossed the generational line and are closer to the Branchline, so I'll be splicing two 40' Branchline Murphy roofs to go with the 4-4 early Dreadnought ends these cars had. BTW the Branchline ends do fit on the P2K car, but the other detail on the Branchline car is better so I'll go that way.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@..., "ealabhan0" <ealabhan0@...> wrote:

Ron,

OK, I'll bite - how will you get two cars out of one Sunshine Wabash 50ft double-door autocar conversion Mini-Kit (one of which is not Wabash)? I don't see how that's possible if you do the autocar as intended; do you instead plan to use one pair of 7-panel Superior doors for each of two single-door boxcars? I picked up one of those Mini-Kits at Naperville last weekend. To cover a 15ft autocar opening, those Mini-Kit doors are about half-a-foot wider than the similar Dan Hall 7-foot Superior doors (Southwest Scale Productions part FC-770) as used on several cars (e.g, early 40ft PS-1s for NH, LV, and MEC per Essential Freight Cars #40, RMC Jan 08).

Please enlighten the group as to the two cars you plan to model. I suspect I'm not the only one who's easily (and often) diverted by a good prototype that's reasonably modeled with just a little work.

Dave Sieber
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@..., "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@> wrote:

You're right, they were there and I picked up a couple of them. I've since found I can get two cars out of one (hint: one is not a Wabash car) so I might have one surplus. Contact me offlist.

Ron Merrick