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Re: Meat Reefer usage

Clark Propst
 

While it's generally assumed meat moved eastward, here's a car from a Milw damage claim report that went all the way west.

From - Armour & Co. mason City Ia
To - Seattle Ice Co.
Route - MStL Mpls CMStP&P
Date - 4/15/1955
Car - ARLX 196
Lading - canned pork

Clark Propst


Re: Painting whisker couplers

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I've found P-B-L's "Neolube" to be very useful for lubricating coupler shanks and butt ends.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

If you are using rubber or vinyl gloves while painting (and if not, why
not?) it's really easy to hold each one and airbrush it. The corrugated
cardboard idea is good if you don't stick them in too far, because you do
want to paint a short piece of the shanks behind the head.



Rather than use the dry graphite that Kadee sells, I use a soft Eagle
"Draughting" pencil, an artist's sketching pencil, and simply rub the box,
the clip on cover if I'm actually using the Athearn thing, and the coupler
shank with it, which applies a coating of graphite which isn't going
anywhere. However, since I operate a yard on a regular basis I have to
disagree with Ron Merrick's comment:



Most people probably realize it's not the knuckle spring that is critical.



It's just as critical as the centering spring, and at times more so, if you
actually use the delayed uncoupling trick.



SGL





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Re: Meat Reefer usage

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

The Swift people had a distribution plant in Oakland served by the WP. The only photo I have ever seen of a Swift car on the WP is a photo in my collection showing a wooden 37' car in yellow paint on an eastbound steam-powered freight (probably an empty) around 1947.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

Clark Propst
 

The Mini-box model was in a clear display box. Having built a couple F&C cars anything would be an improvement - construction wise anyway.

Al was busy talking to another fella while I was there, but his wife was helpful. She was wearing a nifty T-shirt with "The Farewell Tour" on the back and their final show dates. They are not coming to Naperville and rap up next April. Guess we need to keep an eye on their website for release of the Q model.
Clark Propst

How did the TLT CP minibox look to you? And did Al W. have any idea >when that CB&Q boxcar was going to be available?

Bob.


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

Clark Propst
 

Bob, I looked at my photos of Armour reefers and also took a quick thumb through Gene's reefer book. Only a few wooden cars leased to Dubuque pack had corner steps anything like the ones in the link photo. So, I don't know what the heck they have in mind? I will be buying some of those trucks to put under my M&StL auto box and rebuilds there of.

We go up by Red Lake in NW Ontario in Sept. This trip was to just south of International Falls. On a sad note, the S2 Alcos there have been replaced with some ugly UP rebuilt EMD switchers.

Clark Propst

Clark,
There is always room for more freight cars. How did the TLT CP minibox look to you? And did Al W. have any idea when that CB&Q boxcar was going to be available?

I post to the Proto layout group as well, so welcome back from your recent fishing trip. Catch any big ones? I am originally from ND, so I have grown up walleye fishing on Lake Sakakawea. By the time I get back up there in a couple of years, the population should have rebounded. Just in time...

Bob.


Re: National Perishable Freight Committee

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mark Morgan wrote:
Thank You, Steve. My brother loves the AT&SF. I appreciate it and model the B&O. I plan to send it to him.
The general information on perishables will apply to your B&O modeling, too, Mark.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Painting whisker couplers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

If you are using rubber or vinyl gloves while painting (and if not, why
not?) it's really easy to hold each one and airbrush it. The corrugated
cardboard idea is good if you don't stick them in too far, because you do
want to paint a short piece of the shanks behind the head.



Rather than use the dry graphite that Kadee sells, I use a soft Eagle
"Draughting" pencil, an artist's sketching pencil, and simply rub the box,
the clip on cover if I'm actually using the Athearn thing, and the coupler
shank with it, which applies a coating of graphite which isn't going
anywhere. However, since I operate a yard on a regular basis I have to
disagree with Ron Merrick's comment:



Most people probably realize it's not the knuckle spring that is critical.



It's just as critical as the centering spring, and at times more so, if you
actually use the delayed uncoupling trick.



SGL





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Re: National Perishable Freight Committee

Steve SANDIFER
 

You are most welcome.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 9:34 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: National Perishable Freight Committee



Steve Sandifer wrote:
> I have posted in the Member's Only section of the Santa Fe Society
> website a pdf copy of SFRD Circular No. 2-J, Rules and Regulations
> Governing the Handling of Perishable Freight, December 15,
> 1941 . . . Since some of you are not ATSF society members, I am also
> posting it temporarily at www.ssandifer.com/SFRD2-J.pdf. If you want
> it, download it . . .

Thank you, Steve. A valuable document for that era, which I can
peruse and use.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: National Perishable Freight Committee

Mark
 

Thank You, Steve. My brother loves the AT&SF. I appreciate it and model the B&O. I plan to send it to him.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan

--- On Sun, 7/25/10, Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: National Perishable Freight Committee
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 10:23 PM







 









I have posted in the Member's Only section of the Santa Fe Society website a pdf copy of SFRD Circular No. 2-J, Rules and Regulations Governing the Handling of Perishable Freight, December 15, 1941. The first few pages are ATSF specific. The vast majority of the publication is Circular 20-B of the National Perishable Freight Committee and applies to virtually all railroads. It totals 135 pages and is all about ice reefers, this is prior to mechanical reefers.



Since some of you are not ATSF society members, I am also posting it temporarily at www.ssandifer.com/SFRD2-J.pdf. If you want it, download it - 7MB of it. I don't plan on leaving it on my website as it takes up too much space. If the STMFC site would like to host it, you have my permission to capture it and post it.

______________

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer

mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net

Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918

Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417



----- Original Message -----

From: brianleppert@att.net

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:59 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Re: National Perishable Freight Committee



Chuck,



I don't think that many know about these circulars. I won one from 1948 on Ebay cheap--I was the only bidder. Full name for it was "Circular No. 20-C, Code of Rules for Handling Perishable Freight". 21 pages of fine print, covering everything one would want to know about what reefers could carry and how to protect their loads.



Mine spent quite awhile in the convenient magazine rack in the bathroom. Just lots of neat info!



Brian Leppert

Carson City, NV



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnnrr" <lnnrr@...> wrote:

>

> There have been frequent and long discussions here on the subjects

> of refrigerated freight, their cars, companies, routes, and destinations. I can't recall the mention of the National Perishable

> Freight Committee



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Re: National Perishable Freight Committee

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
I have posted in the Member's Only section of the Santa Fe Society website a pdf copy of SFRD Circular No. 2-J, Rules and Regulations Governing the Handling of Perishable Freight, December 15, 1941 . . . Since some of you are not ATSF society members, I am also posting it temporarily at www.ssandifer.com/SFRD2-J.pdf. If you want it, download it . . .
Thank you, Steve. A valuable document for that era, which I can peruse and use.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: National Perishable Freight Committee

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have posted in the Member's Only section of the Santa Fe Society website a pdf copy of SFRD Circular No. 2-J, Rules and Regulations Governing the Handling of Perishable Freight, December 15, 1941. The first few pages are ATSF specific. The vast majority of the publication is Circular 20-B of the National Perishable Freight Committee and applies to virtually all railroads. It totals 135 pages and is all about ice reefers, this is prior to mechanical reefers.

Since some of you are not ATSF society members, I am also posting it temporarily at www.ssandifer.com/SFRD2-J.pdf. If you want it, download it - 7MB of it. I don't plan on leaving it on my website as it takes up too much space. If the STMFC site would like to host it, you have my permission to capture it and post it.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: brianleppert@att.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: National Perishable Freight Committee





Chuck,

I don't think that many know about these circulars. I won one from 1948 on Ebay cheap--I was the only bidder. Full name for it was "Circular No. 20-C, Code of Rules for Handling Perishable Freight". 21 pages of fine print, covering everything one would want to know about what reefers could carry and how to protect their loads.

Mine spent quite awhile in the convenient magazine rack in the bathroom. Just lots of neat info!

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnnrr" <lnnrr@...> wrote:
>
> There have been frequent and long discussions here on the subjects
> of refrigerated freight, their cars, companies, routes, and destinations. I can't recall the mention of the National Perishable
> Freight Committee


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

Bob, you're probably right. I have 3 Sunshine models, But I guess another one of two could be worked in...
Clark Propst
Clark,
There is always room for more freight cars. How did the TLT CP minibox look to you? And did Al W. have any idea when that CB&Q boxcar was going to be available?

I post to the Proto layout group as well, so welcome back from your recent fishing trip. Catch any big ones? I am originally from ND, so I have grown up walleye fishing on Lake Sakakawea. By the time I get back up there in a couple of years, the population should have rebounded. Just in time...

Bob.


Re: Meat Reefer usage

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Dave interesting question about Military Supply Depots. No doubt they would have received large quantities of meat, and I would
guess arrival at the supply depots in regular meat reefers from whom ever had the military contract.
Dave and Doug,
In the article on the General American 37' meat reefers in RPC Vol. 14, there are Col. Chet McCoid photos of Oscar Mayer and Emge Packing reefers at Ft. Bragg, NC.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Meat Reefer usage

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Doug Harding wrote:
In California, of the major meat packers: Armour was in LA and San Francisco. Cudahy had a slaughter house in LA and a branch
house in San Francisco, Hormel had a slaughter house in LA and branch house in San Francisco. Swift had slaughter operations at LA and San Francisco, Wilson had a slaughter house in LA. Plus, as you say, there were smaller or more localized meat packers as
well.
Doug, thanks for the summary. I remember something in all the PFE material I read, on the subject of whether PFE would accommodate the packers' request that they have more meat cars available for times of car shortage (PFE declined since traffic would have ALWAYS moved in packer cars except in the most dire conditions). It stated that some packaged and prepared meats (I'm assuming ham, sausage, etc.) came from the "main packing plants," while most cut meat and hanging meat was supplied to customers from the branch houses. Is that consistent with what you know about the meat business in, say, 1950?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

Clark Propst
 

Bob, you're probably right. I have 3 Sunshine models, But I guess another one of two could be worked in...
Clark Propst

(Group),
I think the car is the General American 37' wooden meat reefer. We have already determined on this list the truck is a Barber S-1, which most of these cars had; in one of the newsletters on the Rapido website, there is another hint in the form of a drawing of an Equipco 3160 brakewheel, which these cars were equipped with; and the shape and positioning of the bolster tab, sill step, and bunker drain all match photos of these cars. RP Cyc Vol. 14 has a good article on these cars if anyone wants to see for themselves.

If I am right, this is an excellent choice for Rapido. There are lots of accurate schemes that can be applied to these cars, as well as dozens more for the "close enough" crowd. And they ran from the late 30s into the 60s, at least.

If I am wrong, I guess we will still get a beautiful model of a freight car, so either way we cannot lose!

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Meat Reefer usage

Douglas Harding
 

Dave interesting question about Military Supply Depots. No doubt they would have received large quantities of meat, and I would
guess arrival at the supply depots in regular meat reefers from whom ever had the military contract.

In California, of the major meat packers: Armour was in LA and San Francisco. Cudahy had a slaughter house in LA and a branch
house in San Francisco, Hormel had a slaughter house in LA and branch house in San Francisco. Swift had slaughter operations at LA
and San Francisco, Wilson had a slaughter house in LA. Plus, as you say, there were smaller or more localized meat packers as
well.

Mather was not a meat packer, they built and leased meat reefers and stockcars.

Do you have evidence of Kingan having a branch house in California? I am always looking to add to my list.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

Sorry for the delay in answering Richard. Been up nortt.
You don't have to murder me. With both you and Bill saying I'll like it the suspense is killing me !

Clark Propst
Clark (and Group),
I think the car is the General American 37' wooden meat reefer. We have already determined on this list the truck is a Barber S-1, which most of these cars had; in one of the newsletters on the Rapido website, there is another hint in the form of a drawing of an Equipco 3160 brakewheel, which these cars were equipped with; and the shape and positioning of the bolster tab, sill step, and bunker drain all match photos of these cars. RP Cyc Vol. 14 has a good article on these cars if anyone wants to see for themselves.

If I am right, this is an excellent choice for Rapido. There are lots of accurate schemes that can be applied to these cars, as well as dozens more for the "close enough" crowd. And they ran from the late 30s into the 60s, at least.

If I am wrong, I guess we will still get a beautiful model of a freight car, so either way we cannot lose!

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Clark Propst
 

Friday afternoon when we were getting to the escalators to the show room a couple guys were getting off that were unmistakably closet vesties. Maybe it was the pins on their hats?

Thought the show was more like "Trainfest". Not near as large as the shows of the late last century when we had three conventions round here in a row.

F&C didn't have the car I wanted to buy (C&O DD box) Westerfield had a display model of a neat CB&Q SS box, but no models for sale. Sunshine and Speedwitch were no shows. The only car I bought for myself was a ATSF IM WE RTR car that was discounted because of a paint blemish. We did stock up on the special Athearn "Airslide" run 'Lombard Hobbies' had done with CGW lettering.

'True Scale' had a nice looking 'mini-box displayed.

Clark Propst


Re: Tichy P&LE Rebuilt Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

Just checked the three photos of those cars I have in the computer and the sides are wider than the ends, but not just a 90 offset. Looks like they used a formed piece to connect the sides to the ends.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@...> wrote:

I think narrowing the roof was an error. I suspect the sides needed to be off-set out further from the original ends. Can anyone comment on whether the Murphy roof would have been made in different widths?

Pieter


Re: Rapido's new freight car

Clark Propst
 

Guys, I have a dozen extensively modified (with Stan's parts) IM PFE reefers. They are as close to the 49 blt Armour cars as I can get, just replaced all their roofs.
If Rapido is coming out with that car I would not be happy !
Now, if it were a GATC stock car...
The Armour reefers had brine tanks, don't know if they would stll have side drains without looking at my photos. I hope they don't. Cause then I'd have to add them....
Clark Propst

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