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Re: scanning & printing

Tim O'Connor
 

Absolutely Garth. I'm not throwing out my scanner either. As I said,
it's just a workshop tool -- maybe take a quick scan of a decal sheet
or something like that. And the copier feature is handy.

Tim O'Connor

Tim,
Nice printer/scanner for general use, but from reading the description,
it apparently can't scan negatives or slides (which usually requires a
separate head for flatbed scanning). I'll stick with my old HP.
Kind regards,
Garth Groff

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Canon-Pixma-MP250-Photo-All-In-One-Inkjet-Printer-Copier-Scanner/12534987


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom

I always used #30 series boxes in tight places. With the whisker
couplers there is now the #252 replacement for #30 series boxes.

However, you can still use scale head #58's with #30 series -- I
love this gear, because you can build it in 4 permutations to get
very fine up/down height adjustments.

Tim

At 9/8/2010 04:06 AM Wednesday, you wrote:
Thanks for the information on the conversions and updates to the coupler line.

What Kadee scale coupler and box would you recommend for the back of the Oriental (Brass) F3/F7/FP7's. These units were designed to be drawbarred as the gearbox case on the rear truck sticks out almost to the rear frame. Makes it tough to mount a coupler box which won't shift sideways when coupling to freight cars or anything else. With a draft of cars, it is always fun to try to back up the train when making a setoff.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: NC&StL FM 8 / FM 9

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Does anyone have a photo of NC&STL FM 8 or FM 9 flatcars showing
what the AB
Brake placement looked liked. I have a Tichy car on my workbench
(for 7
years) I need to finish and I haven't since I didn't know how to do
the
brakes.
I'm sending you two scans off-list, Brian, but I'm afraid they're
just going to confuse you because they show two different
arrangements on FM 8 cars in the same series - and in both cases the
reservoirs are mounted transversely, but at different locations. The
cylinder isn't visible in either photo, but of course it would have
been mounted where the KC cylinder was located. Maybe the conclusion
to be drawn here is that you put the reservoir and AB valve wherever
you like, because that's apparently what the NC&StL did.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

SamClarke
 

Hello Armand,

Although we are cutting down the use of the #4 coupler in other coupler applications or coupler packages the #4 as it is will still be available for quite sometime. The present #78 is the only scale head coupler with any "slack action" like the #4. We have the current #78 on a special clearance sale and when stocks are depleted we'll introduce the newer version #178 that will not have any slack action.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products


From: Armand Premo
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 6:54 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers



As for my personal preference the #4 ,with all its shortcomings,allows the operator to pull up the slack for more prototypical operation.Is there a coupler with a smaller head that allows this action?Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Zeni
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Call me odd, but I liked the tiny screws of the #78...they do look
fine. So Sam, if I understand correctly, the 178 will be the 158 in
a narrower box? Figure out a way to countersink the 2-56 and that's
excellent.

I did stock up on some 78s to use with my wildly off topic modern
Rail Yard Models kits.

Tim, No I don't believe that we'll include the #262 with the
normal coupler package.

We changed the hole size because that was one of the complaints
about the #78 box. I think the bottom of the box has enough
thickness to "carefully" counter sing a flathead screw.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products


From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:06 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers


Nice!! (Drat, I just bought two packages of #242)... Will you be
including
the #262 box with your whisker couplers in the future?

I dunno... 2-56 is pretty clunky. I'd prefer an O-80 counterset
screw so it's much less visible, like the Accurail boxes.

Tim O'Connor
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Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

SamClarke
 

Hello Tom, without actually seeing the particular model I can only suggest a coupler to try. I would try a short #143 standard head whisker coupler or the short scale head #153 in our #252 draft gear box. The #252 box is the whisker version of our 30 series box and is the shortest box we offer.

If this does not work then contact me off list at mail@kadee.com and if possible send a digital photo of the coupler platform or mounting area.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products


From: tmolsen@UDel.Edu
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:06 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers



Thanks for the information on the conversions and updates to the coupler line.

What Kadee scale coupler and box would you recommend for the back of the Oriental (Brass) F3/F7/FP7's. These units were designed to be drawbarred as the gearbox case on the rear truck sticks out almost to the rear frame. Makes it tough to mount a coupler box which won't shift sideways when coupling to freight cars or anything else. With a draft of cars, it is always fun to try to back up the train when making a setoff.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Armand Premo
 

As for my personal preference the #4 ,with all its shortcomings,allows the operator to pull up the slack for more prototypical operation.Is there a coupler with a smaller head that allows this action?Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Zeni
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers



Call me odd, but I liked the tiny screws of the #78...they do look
fine. So Sam, if I understand correctly, the 178 will be the 158 in
a narrower box? Figure out a way to countersink the 2-56 and that's
excellent.

I did stock up on some 78s to use with my wildly off topic modern
Rail Yard Models kits.

> Tim, No I don't believe that we'll include the #262 with the
> normal coupler package.
>
> We changed the hole size because that was one of the complaints
> about the #78 box. I think the bottom of the box has enough
> thickness to "carefully" counter sing a flathead screw.
>
> Sam Clarke
> Kadee Quality Products
>
>
> From: Tim O'Connor
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers
>
>
> Nice!! (Drat, I just bought two packages of #242)... Will you be
> including
> the #262 box with your whisker couplers in the future?
>
> I dunno... 2-56 is pretty clunky. I'd prefer an O-80 counterset
> screw so it's much less visible, like the Accurail boxes.
>
> Tim O'Connor






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Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Craig Zeni
 

Call me odd, but I liked the tiny screws of the #78...they do look fine. So Sam, if I understand correctly, the 178 will be the 158 in a narrower box? Figure out a way to countersink the 2-56 and that's excellent.

I did stock up on some 78s to use with my wildly off topic modern Rail Yard Models kits.

Tim, No I don't believe that we'll include the #262 with the normal coupler package.

We changed the hole size because that was one of the complaints about the #78 box. I think the bottom of the box has enough thickness to "carefully" counter sing a flathead screw.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products


From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:06 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers


Nice!! (Drat, I just bought two packages of #242)... Will you be including
the #262 box with your whisker couplers in the future?

I dunno... 2-56 is pretty clunky. I'd prefer an O-80 counterset
screw so it's much less visible, like the Accurail boxes.

Tim O'Connor


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown Equivalent

StephenK
 

Thanks to all for the info. I will be going with Floquil because my dealer stocks it--even though it means an extra coat (of gloss) will be necessary.

SKay

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "StephenK" <thekays100@...> wrote:

I am painting up a couple of PS1 box cars with the ATSF name train scheme and am looking for some guidance on color. The cars are supposed to be "Mineral Brown." Floquil makes the color in its solvent line, but my cars are plastic. I generally use Scalecoat II since it dries glossy for decaling, but they don't make a color specifically named "Mineral Brown" They make three versions of boxcar red plus a few other maroon/tuscan shades that might do it. I have bottles of "box car red" and "box car red 2" (2 is redder than 1) but still could use a little info.

Is there a glossy, plastic compatible color that is a decent match for ATSF Mineral brown?

SKay


Re: scanning & printing

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tim,

Nice printer/scanner for general use, but from reading the description, it apparently can't scan negatives or slides (which usually requires a separate head for flatbed scanning). I'll stick with my old HP.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

On 9/7/2010 6:51 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Freight car fans

Once in a while the subject of scanners/printers comes up and
I thought this item might be of interest -- a $32 all-in-one (it
is $40 if you buy it at the store like I did). I bought one for my
daughter to have at college and when she showed me a picture she'd
taken with her camera phone and printed, I was astounded how good
it was! These devices are so cheap that it actually costs LESS to
throw out the machine when the toner runs out, and buy a new machine!
(Not an exaggeration.)

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Canon-Pixma-MP250-Photo-All-In-One-Inkjet-Printer-Copier-Scanner/12534987

Anyway this thing is so cheap and simple (and portable) that I'll
get one just for the workshop... maybe to make some quick decals. :-)

Obviously this isn't good enough for archival scans and prints but
it might be a handy workshop "tool".

With the copier feature, I can make tape cutting masks easily too!
No more driving to Staples to copy them.

Tim O'Connor



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Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

al_brown03
 

A few published photos:

PGE 584, MM 4/86 p 54

PGE 575, 588, 501: RMC 11/91 p 102

-- hth --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Hi Frank!

It would be cool if you were able to dig up some photos of PGE stock cars.
My collection is small. I only know of one good PGE photo of a fowler
style stock car - it is in the Swain/Pinchbeck Powerpoint presentation on
Fowler cars, and shows PGE 557 c.1949 - with an older style door (also seen
on their pre-fowler style stock cars). It isn't the same as the X brace
door Peter is referencing, although it has angled braces at top and bottom
made from heavier looking wood pieces.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Valoczy" <destron@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:51 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame
doors

I'm not at home right now so I can't check to verify, but I *think* the
Pacific Great Eastern's Fowler stock cars also had the X doors. I'll check
as soon as I'm able, but I would agree that TLT would do best by going
with the X-framed door.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Rob Kirkham wrote:
Hi Peter,
Looking through every photo of CNR stock cars I have, I find your
descriptions are correct.

Of the 5' door cars, all are of the Intercolonial and related fleets that
were essentially CPR knock off designs, with unequally angled diagonal
bracing. And all of the cars I have photos for had the X style door.
These
photos were all taken in later steam era/transition years.

For the 6 foot door cars I have photos of (same vintage), all had the X
style door.

I can't imagine these were distributed geographically. I think TLT would
be
safe using this design for their CNR style stock cars.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "PBowers" <4everwaiting@...>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:22 PM
To: <CanModelTrains@yahoogroups.com>; <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame
doors

I have been discussing with TLT the possibility of having the 36 foot
Fowler stock cars released with the more common, especially in the
50's, "X" framed door rather than the vertical slat door the first
runs of the model had. While CN did have that type door on some cars
it was not the typically seen door on the CN 36 foot stock cars..

Doing a photo check the wood vertical slats on TLT CN cars as
modelled on the CN stock cars was rare by the fifties. It appears
the most prevalent use of the wood vertical slat doors were on the 5
foot wide cars. The six foot cars with vertical slat doors were rare
by the mid forties it appears,


Doing a quick bit of history on the CN cars we find:

CN rebuilt 5 foot door Intercolonial Ry box cars into wood slat door
equipped stock cars in 1923 that lasted up to the forties. These
cars had 4 brace ends In 1923 they also rebuilt 500 GT Fowler stock
cars These cars had 2 brace ends and wood doors. Like the other
cars they lasted into the forties at least.

CN rebuilt a further 1500 former 5' door Intercolonial Ry and 6' door
ex GT cars between 1934 and 1939 Like the previous rebuilds, these
cars carried the 4 and 2 braces on their ends.

In 1948 CN converted more ex 1913 built GT boxcars with steel roofs
Power hand brakes AB brakes and 5 braces on the car ends. These cars
were all equipped with X braces doors upon entering service. Photos
show that many were equipped with these newer doors by the mid 40's
and it appears they were appearing on cars by the early forties.

Interestingly, I have not found a five foot wide door CN car with the
X frame door although a couple photos show existing cars in 1963 and
1974. As well I have not come up with a clear picture to verify the
vertical wood slat doors on the 6 foot wide Fowler cars after the
very early forties.

With this research taking shape fairly well, I am passing it on to
the Canadian Freight Car and Operations and CNLines-CNet/Steam Mavens
list to see what else we can flush out on these cars.

As for numbers of cars there were about 876 5' foot wide door Fowler
cars on the books in 1953 and about 2100 6 foot door Fowler stock
cars comprising the CN fleet.

These cars were used extensively in the west, Ontario and Quebec as
well as the Maritimes. As well they were used system wide for
hauling MOW supplies and could be seen hauling almost anything when a
car was needed and weatherproof conditions was not a necessity and as
long as the need for moving livestock was absent.

It would be interesting to know if the 5 foot door cars were
specially assigned in any way. According to ORER records they were
equipped with a feeding trough. These were the only cars so
equipped. But why?

As the X framed door was a minor repair/upgrade, there was little or
no upgrade to the car necessary. I had discussed with a resin
producer producing an insert that would require cutting out the
vertical slats of the full height slat door such as on the ONR
version and inserting the horizontal slat-X frame module.

I know personally, there are a lot of persons who did not buy the
first CN Fowler cars because they knew the door was incorrect for
what they wanted. My bet is the X frame doors would be a big hit.

Currently the info needed by TLT at this point is as
follows: Exactly how many of these cars (the X framed door Fowler
stock cars) saw service, time frame, in what regions (so potential
popularity) and from a manufacturing perspective, what changes or
differences between 'standard cars' and the 'X' braced door (what
would we have to change at the factory)? We are just trying to get an
idea, financially how feasible this change would be and if there is
enough interest. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.

Peter Bowers
Discussion list on Canadian Freight Cars and their Operation
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/



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Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

tmolsen@...
 

Thanks for the information on the conversions and updates to the coupler line.

What Kadee scale coupler and box would you recommend for the back of the Oriental (Brass) F3/F7/FP7's. These units were designed to be drawbarred as the gearbox case on the rear truck sticks out almost to the rear frame. Makes it tough to mount a coupler box which won't shift sideways when coupling to freight cars or anything else. With a draft of cars, it is always fun to try to back up the train when making a setoff.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

tmolsen@...
 

Thanks Rich,

I had my suspicions that was the case. Some of the guys don't like the scale coupler and the excuse is that it does not have the gathering range that the regular #5 has. The revised scale 58/158 is so much better visually and those who have switched over have not had any problems with the smaller size. It is like going to semi-scale wheelsets. They also run the same, but they look so much better!

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

tmolsen@...
 

Andy and Ron,

My buddy got it from a friend who owns a hobby store and he did mention the discontinuance of the #118 also. I did look at the Kadee site and they said that they were going to the whisker version. I had suspicions that that was was going on with the #58 also. No more copper springs! With Kadee, you cannot beat progress!

Thanks for the response to my questions.

Regards,
Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


NC&StL FM 8 / FM 9

Brian Carlson
 

If this shows up twice, sorry, I posted it 3 hours ago and it never made it to the list.

Does anyone have a photo of NC&STL FM 8 or FM 9 flatcars showing what the AB Brake placement looked liked. I have a Tichy car on my workbench (for 7 years) I need to finish and I haven't since I didn't know how to do the brakes. Thanks to the recent thread on What's on your workbench, I am trying to clean it off.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com


Re: San Juan Andrews O scale truck assembly

Charles Morrill
 

If you don't want to use the cast rubber springs, Mullet River Model Works sells metal truck springs 24 to a package #408006 to fit the San Juan trucks.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "gnwolohon" <larrywolohon@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] San Juan Andrews O scale truck assembly


I am building/assembling an O scale San Juan WP boxcar. I have reached the where the Andrews trucks are to be assembled. I can't figure out how to fit the springs, the plank & the bolster to make the truck frame.

How does all these fit together? I cn't fit all these parts together in the side frame. The spring castings don't flex much & I can't figure this out.

Thanks.

Larry Wolohon



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Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Rob -

I don't have very many PGE stock car photos, but there are a few (some
from LAC as I recall); most of the PGE photos I do have are of wood
reefers (again, mostly from LAC). I haven't been, but I understand that
the BC Archives in Victoria has a number of PGE photos including stock
cars.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Rob Kirkham wrote:

Hi Frank!

It would be cool if you were able to dig up some photos of PGE stock cars.
My collection is small. I only know of one good PGE photo of a fowler
style stock car - it is in the Swain/Pinchbeck Powerpoint presentation on
Fowler cars, and shows PGE 557 c.1949 - with an older style door (also
seen
on their pre-fowler style stock cars). It isn't the same as the X brace
door Peter is referencing, although it has angled braces at top and bottom
made from heavier looking wood pieces.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Valoczy" <destron@vcn.bc.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:51 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame
doors

I'm not at home right now so I can't check to verify, but I *think* the
Pacific Great Eastern's Fowler stock cars also had the X doors. I'll
check
as soon as I'm able, but I would agree that TLT would do best by going
with the X-framed door.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Rob Kirkham wrote:
Hi Peter,
Looking through every photo of CNR stock cars I have, I find your
descriptions are correct.

Of the 5' door cars, all are of the Intercolonial and related fleets
that
were essentially CPR knock off designs, with unequally angled diagonal
bracing. And all of the cars I have photos for had the X style door.
These
photos were all taken in later steam era/transition years.

For the 6 foot door cars I have photos of (same vintage), all had the X
style door.

I can't imagine these were distributed geographically. I think TLT
would
be
safe using this design for their CNR style stock cars.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "PBowers" <4everwaiting@brucetelecom.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:22 PM
To: <CanModelTrains@yahoogroups.com>; <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame
doors

I have been discussing with TLT the possibility of having the 36 foot
Fowler stock cars released with the more common, especially in the
50's, "X" framed door rather than the vertical slat door the first
runs of the model had. While CN did have that type door on some cars
it was not the typically seen door on the CN 36 foot stock cars..

Doing a photo check the wood vertical slats on TLT CN cars as
modelled on the CN stock cars was rare by the fifties. It appears
the most prevalent use of the wood vertical slat doors were on the 5
foot wide cars. The six foot cars with vertical slat doors were rare
by the mid forties it appears,


Doing a quick bit of history on the CN cars we find:

CN rebuilt 5 foot door Intercolonial Ry box cars into wood slat door
equipped stock cars in 1923 that lasted up to the forties. These
cars had 4 brace ends In 1923 they also rebuilt 500 GT Fowler stock
cars These cars had 2 brace ends and wood doors. Like the other
cars they lasted into the forties at least.

CN rebuilt a further 1500 former 5' door Intercolonial Ry and 6' door
ex GT cars between 1934 and 1939 Like the previous rebuilds, these
cars carried the 4 and 2 braces on their ends.

In 1948 CN converted more ex 1913 built GT boxcars with steel roofs
Power hand brakes AB brakes and 5 braces on the car ends. These cars
were all equipped with X braces doors upon entering service. Photos
show that many were equipped with these newer doors by the mid 40's
and it appears they were appearing on cars by the early forties.

Interestingly, I have not found a five foot wide door CN car with the
X frame door although a couple photos show existing cars in 1963 and
1974. As well I have not come up with a clear picture to verify the
vertical wood slat doors on the 6 foot wide Fowler cars after the
very early forties.

With this research taking shape fairly well, I am passing it on to
the Canadian Freight Car and Operations and CNLines-CNet/Steam Mavens
list to see what else we can flush out on these cars.

As for numbers of cars there were about 876 5' foot wide door Fowler
cars on the books in 1953 and about 2100 6 foot door Fowler stock
cars comprising the CN fleet.

These cars were used extensively in the west, Ontario and Quebec as
well as the Maritimes. As well they were used system wide for
hauling MOW supplies and could be seen hauling almost anything when a
car was needed and weatherproof conditions was not a necessity and as
long as the need for moving livestock was absent.

It would be interesting to know if the 5 foot door cars were
specially assigned in any way. According to ORER records they were
equipped with a feeding trough. These were the only cars so
equipped. But why?

As the X framed door was a minor repair/upgrade, there was little or
no upgrade to the car necessary. I had discussed with a resin
producer producing an insert that would require cutting out the
vertical slats of the full height slat door such as on the ONR
version and inserting the horizontal slat-X frame module.

I know personally, there are a lot of persons who did not buy the
first CN Fowler cars because they knew the door was incorrect for
what they wanted. My bet is the X frame doors would be a big hit.

Currently the info needed by TLT at this point is as
follows: Exactly how many of these cars (the X framed door Fowler
stock cars) saw service, time frame, in what regions (so potential
popularity) and from a manufacturing perspective, what changes or
differences between 'standard cars' and the 'X' braced door (what
would we have to change at the factory)? We are just trying to get an
idea, financially how feasible this change would be and if there is
enough interest. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.

Peter Bowers
Discussion list on Canadian Freight Cars and their Operation
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/



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Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

Robert kirkham
 

Hi Frank!

It would be cool if you were able to dig up some photos of PGE stock cars. My collection is small. I only know of one good PGE photo of a fowler style stock car - it is in the Swain/Pinchbeck Powerpoint presentation on Fowler cars, and shows PGE 557 c.1949 - with an older style door (also seen on their pre-fowler style stock cars). It isn't the same as the X brace door Peter is referencing, although it has angled braces at top and bottom made from heavier looking wood pieces.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Valoczy" <destron@vcn.bc.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:51 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

I'm not at home right now so I can't check to verify, but I *think* the
Pacific Great Eastern's Fowler stock cars also had the X doors. I'll check
as soon as I'm able, but I would agree that TLT would do best by going
with the X-framed door.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Rob Kirkham wrote:
Hi Peter,
Looking through every photo of CNR stock cars I have, I find your
descriptions are correct.

Of the 5' door cars, all are of the Intercolonial and related fleets that
were essentially CPR knock off designs, with unequally angled diagonal
bracing. And all of the cars I have photos for had the X style door.
These
photos were all taken in later steam era/transition years.

For the 6 foot door cars I have photos of (same vintage), all had the X
style door.

I can't imagine these were distributed geographically. I think TLT would
be
safe using this design for their CNR style stock cars.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "PBowers" <4everwaiting@brucetelecom.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:22 PM
To: <CanModelTrains@yahoogroups.com>; <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame
doors

I have been discussing with TLT the possibility of having the 36 foot
Fowler stock cars released with the more common, especially in the
50's, "X" framed door rather than the vertical slat door the first
runs of the model had. While CN did have that type door on some cars
it was not the typically seen door on the CN 36 foot stock cars..

Doing a photo check the wood vertical slats on TLT CN cars as
modelled on the CN stock cars was rare by the fifties. It appears
the most prevalent use of the wood vertical slat doors were on the 5
foot wide cars. The six foot cars with vertical slat doors were rare
by the mid forties it appears,


Doing a quick bit of history on the CN cars we find:

CN rebuilt 5 foot door Intercolonial Ry box cars into wood slat door
equipped stock cars in 1923 that lasted up to the forties. These
cars had 4 brace ends In 1923 they also rebuilt 500 GT Fowler stock
cars These cars had 2 brace ends and wood doors. Like the other
cars they lasted into the forties at least.

CN rebuilt a further 1500 former 5' door Intercolonial Ry and 6' door
ex GT cars between 1934 and 1939 Like the previous rebuilds, these
cars carried the 4 and 2 braces on their ends.

In 1948 CN converted more ex 1913 built GT boxcars with steel roofs
Power hand brakes AB brakes and 5 braces on the car ends. These cars
were all equipped with X braces doors upon entering service. Photos
show that many were equipped with these newer doors by the mid 40's
and it appears they were appearing on cars by the early forties.

Interestingly, I have not found a five foot wide door CN car with the
X frame door although a couple photos show existing cars in 1963 and
1974. As well I have not come up with a clear picture to verify the
vertical wood slat doors on the 6 foot wide Fowler cars after the
very early forties.

With this research taking shape fairly well, I am passing it on to
the Canadian Freight Car and Operations and CNLines-CNet/Steam Mavens
list to see what else we can flush out on these cars.

As for numbers of cars there were about 876 5' foot wide door Fowler
cars on the books in 1953 and about 2100 6 foot door Fowler stock
cars comprising the CN fleet.

These cars were used extensively in the west, Ontario and Quebec as
well as the Maritimes. As well they were used system wide for
hauling MOW supplies and could be seen hauling almost anything when a
car was needed and weatherproof conditions was not a necessity and as
long as the need for moving livestock was absent.

It would be interesting to know if the 5 foot door cars were
specially assigned in any way. According to ORER records they were
equipped with a feeding trough. These were the only cars so
equipped. But why?

As the X framed door was a minor repair/upgrade, there was little or
no upgrade to the car necessary. I had discussed with a resin
producer producing an insert that would require cutting out the
vertical slats of the full height slat door such as on the ONR
version and inserting the horizontal slat-X frame module.

I know personally, there are a lot of persons who did not buy the
first CN Fowler cars because they knew the door was incorrect for
what they wanted. My bet is the X frame doors would be a big hit.

Currently the info needed by TLT at this point is as
follows: Exactly how many of these cars (the X framed door Fowler
stock cars) saw service, time frame, in what regions (so potential
popularity) and from a manufacturing perspective, what changes or
differences between 'standard cars' and the 'X' braced door (what
would we have to change at the factory)? We are just trying to get an
idea, financially how feasible this change would be and if there is
enough interest. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.

Peter Bowers
Discussion list on Canadian Freight Cars and their Operation
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Re: Buckeye ends (was Erie 78000-78499)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Yes. The 1923 ARA cars in series 75500-75999 had Buckeye Ends that
had the
panel seam on a corrugation. see page 94 of RPC 18. The 1932 ARA
cars and
these cars had the panel seam between the corrugations.
I'll add to this that the corrugations on the later Buckeye ends were
shaped somewhat differently than those on the earlier ends, with a
pronounced taper at the ends, in contrast to the flat ends on the
earlier corrugations. This is is readily visible in photos of the
Erie's 1932 ARA cars vs. the 1923 ARA cars.

Richard Hendrickson


FW: NC&StL FM 8 / FM 9

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone have a photo of NC&STL FM 8 or FM 9 flatcars showing what the AB
Brake placement looked liked. I have a Tichy car on my workbench (for 7
years) I need to finish and I haven't since I didn't know how to do the
brakes. Thanks for the recent thread on What's on your workbench, I am
trying to clean it off.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com


Re: San Juan Andrews O scale truck assembly

Trackman <jfpautz@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gnwolohon" <larrywolohon@...> wrote:

I am building/assembling an O scale San Juan WP boxcar. I have reached the where the Andrews trucks are to be assembled. I can't figure out how to fit the springs, the plank & the bolster to make the truck frame.
Larry,

If you carefully break the flash in the springs (fingernail works for me) and then squeeze them between your fingers a couple of times, they will flex fairly easily and should assemble with no problem.

John F. Pautz
American Switch & Signal
P:48 track components

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