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Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

tmolsen@...
 

Thanks Rich,

I had my suspicions that was the case. Some of the guys don't like the scale coupler and the excuse is that it does not have the gathering range that the regular #5 has. The revised scale 58/158 is so much better visually and those who have switched over have not had any problems with the smaller size. It is like going to semi-scale wheelsets. They also run the same, but they look so much better!

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

tmolsen@...
 

Andy and Ron,

My buddy got it from a friend who owns a hobby store and he did mention the discontinuance of the #118 also. I did look at the Kadee site and they said that they were going to the whisker version. I had suspicions that that was was going on with the #58 also. No more copper springs! With Kadee, you cannot beat progress!

Thanks for the response to my questions.

Regards,
Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


NC&StL FM 8 / FM 9

Brian Carlson
 

If this shows up twice, sorry, I posted it 3 hours ago and it never made it to the list.

Does anyone have a photo of NC&STL FM 8 or FM 9 flatcars showing what the AB Brake placement looked liked. I have a Tichy car on my workbench (for 7 years) I need to finish and I haven't since I didn't know how to do the brakes. Thanks to the recent thread on What's on your workbench, I am trying to clean it off.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com


Re: San Juan Andrews O scale truck assembly

Charles Morrill
 

If you don't want to use the cast rubber springs, Mullet River Model Works sells metal truck springs 24 to a package #408006 to fit the San Juan trucks.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "gnwolohon" <larrywolohon@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] San Juan Andrews O scale truck assembly


I am building/assembling an O scale San Juan WP boxcar. I have reached the where the Andrews trucks are to be assembled. I can't figure out how to fit the springs, the plank & the bolster to make the truck frame.

How does all these fit together? I cn't fit all these parts together in the side frame. The spring castings don't flex much & I can't figure this out.

Thanks.

Larry Wolohon



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Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Rob -

I don't have very many PGE stock car photos, but there are a few (some
from LAC as I recall); most of the PGE photos I do have are of wood
reefers (again, mostly from LAC). I haven't been, but I understand that
the BC Archives in Victoria has a number of PGE photos including stock
cars.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Rob Kirkham wrote:

Hi Frank!

It would be cool if you were able to dig up some photos of PGE stock cars.
My collection is small. I only know of one good PGE photo of a fowler
style stock car - it is in the Swain/Pinchbeck Powerpoint presentation on
Fowler cars, and shows PGE 557 c.1949 - with an older style door (also
seen
on their pre-fowler style stock cars). It isn't the same as the X brace
door Peter is referencing, although it has angled braces at top and bottom
made from heavier looking wood pieces.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "Frank Valoczy" <destron@vcn.bc.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:51 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame
doors

I'm not at home right now so I can't check to verify, but I *think* the
Pacific Great Eastern's Fowler stock cars also had the X doors. I'll
check
as soon as I'm able, but I would agree that TLT would do best by going
with the X-framed door.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Rob Kirkham wrote:
Hi Peter,
Looking through every photo of CNR stock cars I have, I find your
descriptions are correct.

Of the 5' door cars, all are of the Intercolonial and related fleets
that
were essentially CPR knock off designs, with unequally angled diagonal
bracing. And all of the cars I have photos for had the X style door.
These
photos were all taken in later steam era/transition years.

For the 6 foot door cars I have photos of (same vintage), all had the X
style door.

I can't imagine these were distributed geographically. I think TLT
would
be
safe using this design for their CNR style stock cars.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "PBowers" <4everwaiting@brucetelecom.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:22 PM
To: <CanModelTrains@yahoogroups.com>; <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame
doors

I have been discussing with TLT the possibility of having the 36 foot
Fowler stock cars released with the more common, especially in the
50's, "X" framed door rather than the vertical slat door the first
runs of the model had. While CN did have that type door on some cars
it was not the typically seen door on the CN 36 foot stock cars..

Doing a photo check the wood vertical slats on TLT CN cars as
modelled on the CN stock cars was rare by the fifties. It appears
the most prevalent use of the wood vertical slat doors were on the 5
foot wide cars. The six foot cars with vertical slat doors were rare
by the mid forties it appears,


Doing a quick bit of history on the CN cars we find:

CN rebuilt 5 foot door Intercolonial Ry box cars into wood slat door
equipped stock cars in 1923 that lasted up to the forties. These
cars had 4 brace ends In 1923 they also rebuilt 500 GT Fowler stock
cars These cars had 2 brace ends and wood doors. Like the other
cars they lasted into the forties at least.

CN rebuilt a further 1500 former 5' door Intercolonial Ry and 6' door
ex GT cars between 1934 and 1939 Like the previous rebuilds, these
cars carried the 4 and 2 braces on their ends.

In 1948 CN converted more ex 1913 built GT boxcars with steel roofs
Power hand brakes AB brakes and 5 braces on the car ends. These cars
were all equipped with X braces doors upon entering service. Photos
show that many were equipped with these newer doors by the mid 40's
and it appears they were appearing on cars by the early forties.

Interestingly, I have not found a five foot wide door CN car with the
X frame door although a couple photos show existing cars in 1963 and
1974. As well I have not come up with a clear picture to verify the
vertical wood slat doors on the 6 foot wide Fowler cars after the
very early forties.

With this research taking shape fairly well, I am passing it on to
the Canadian Freight Car and Operations and CNLines-CNet/Steam Mavens
list to see what else we can flush out on these cars.

As for numbers of cars there were about 876 5' foot wide door Fowler
cars on the books in 1953 and about 2100 6 foot door Fowler stock
cars comprising the CN fleet.

These cars were used extensively in the west, Ontario and Quebec as
well as the Maritimes. As well they were used system wide for
hauling MOW supplies and could be seen hauling almost anything when a
car was needed and weatherproof conditions was not a necessity and as
long as the need for moving livestock was absent.

It would be interesting to know if the 5 foot door cars were
specially assigned in any way. According to ORER records they were
equipped with a feeding trough. These were the only cars so
equipped. But why?

As the X framed door was a minor repair/upgrade, there was little or
no upgrade to the car necessary. I had discussed with a resin
producer producing an insert that would require cutting out the
vertical slats of the full height slat door such as on the ONR
version and inserting the horizontal slat-X frame module.

I know personally, there are a lot of persons who did not buy the
first CN Fowler cars because they knew the door was incorrect for
what they wanted. My bet is the X frame doors would be a big hit.

Currently the info needed by TLT at this point is as
follows: Exactly how many of these cars (the X framed door Fowler
stock cars) saw service, time frame, in what regions (so potential
popularity) and from a manufacturing perspective, what changes or
differences between 'standard cars' and the 'X' braced door (what
would we have to change at the factory)? We are just trying to get an
idea, financially how feasible this change would be and if there is
enough interest. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.

Peter Bowers
Discussion list on Canadian Freight Cars and their Operation
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/



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Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

Robert kirkham
 

Hi Frank!

It would be cool if you were able to dig up some photos of PGE stock cars. My collection is small. I only know of one good PGE photo of a fowler style stock car - it is in the Swain/Pinchbeck Powerpoint presentation on Fowler cars, and shows PGE 557 c.1949 - with an older style door (also seen on their pre-fowler style stock cars). It isn't the same as the X brace door Peter is referencing, although it has angled braces at top and bottom made from heavier looking wood pieces.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Valoczy" <destron@vcn.bc.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:51 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

I'm not at home right now so I can't check to verify, but I *think* the
Pacific Great Eastern's Fowler stock cars also had the X doors. I'll check
as soon as I'm able, but I would agree that TLT would do best by going
with the X-framed door.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Rob Kirkham wrote:
Hi Peter,
Looking through every photo of CNR stock cars I have, I find your
descriptions are correct.

Of the 5' door cars, all are of the Intercolonial and related fleets that
were essentially CPR knock off designs, with unequally angled diagonal
bracing. And all of the cars I have photos for had the X style door.
These
photos were all taken in later steam era/transition years.

For the 6 foot door cars I have photos of (same vintage), all had the X
style door.

I can't imagine these were distributed geographically. I think TLT would
be
safe using this design for their CNR style stock cars.

Rob Kirkham

--------------------------------------------------
From: "PBowers" <4everwaiting@brucetelecom.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:22 PM
To: <CanModelTrains@yahoogroups.com>; <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame
doors

I have been discussing with TLT the possibility of having the 36 foot
Fowler stock cars released with the more common, especially in the
50's, "X" framed door rather than the vertical slat door the first
runs of the model had. While CN did have that type door on some cars
it was not the typically seen door on the CN 36 foot stock cars..

Doing a photo check the wood vertical slats on TLT CN cars as
modelled on the CN stock cars was rare by the fifties. It appears
the most prevalent use of the wood vertical slat doors were on the 5
foot wide cars. The six foot cars with vertical slat doors were rare
by the mid forties it appears,


Doing a quick bit of history on the CN cars we find:

CN rebuilt 5 foot door Intercolonial Ry box cars into wood slat door
equipped stock cars in 1923 that lasted up to the forties. These
cars had 4 brace ends In 1923 they also rebuilt 500 GT Fowler stock
cars These cars had 2 brace ends and wood doors. Like the other
cars they lasted into the forties at least.

CN rebuilt a further 1500 former 5' door Intercolonial Ry and 6' door
ex GT cars between 1934 and 1939 Like the previous rebuilds, these
cars carried the 4 and 2 braces on their ends.

In 1948 CN converted more ex 1913 built GT boxcars with steel roofs
Power hand brakes AB brakes and 5 braces on the car ends. These cars
were all equipped with X braces doors upon entering service. Photos
show that many were equipped with these newer doors by the mid 40's
and it appears they were appearing on cars by the early forties.

Interestingly, I have not found a five foot wide door CN car with the
X frame door although a couple photos show existing cars in 1963 and
1974. As well I have not come up with a clear picture to verify the
vertical wood slat doors on the 6 foot wide Fowler cars after the
very early forties.

With this research taking shape fairly well, I am passing it on to
the Canadian Freight Car and Operations and CNLines-CNet/Steam Mavens
list to see what else we can flush out on these cars.

As for numbers of cars there were about 876 5' foot wide door Fowler
cars on the books in 1953 and about 2100 6 foot door Fowler stock
cars comprising the CN fleet.

These cars were used extensively in the west, Ontario and Quebec as
well as the Maritimes. As well they were used system wide for
hauling MOW supplies and could be seen hauling almost anything when a
car was needed and weatherproof conditions was not a necessity and as
long as the need for moving livestock was absent.

It would be interesting to know if the 5 foot door cars were
specially assigned in any way. According to ORER records they were
equipped with a feeding trough. These were the only cars so
equipped. But why?

As the X framed door was a minor repair/upgrade, there was little or
no upgrade to the car necessary. I had discussed with a resin
producer producing an insert that would require cutting out the
vertical slats of the full height slat door such as on the ONR
version and inserting the horizontal slat-X frame module.

I know personally, there are a lot of persons who did not buy the
first CN Fowler cars because they knew the door was incorrect for
what they wanted. My bet is the X frame doors would be a big hit.

Currently the info needed by TLT at this point is as
follows: Exactly how many of these cars (the X framed door Fowler
stock cars) saw service, time frame, in what regions (so potential
popularity) and from a manufacturing perspective, what changes or
differences between 'standard cars' and the 'X' braced door (what
would we have to change at the factory)? We are just trying to get an
idea, financially how feasible this change would be and if there is
enough interest. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.

Peter Bowers
Discussion list on Canadian Freight Cars and their Operation
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/



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Re: Buckeye ends (was Erie 78000-78499)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Yes. The 1923 ARA cars in series 75500-75999 had Buckeye Ends that
had the
panel seam on a corrugation. see page 94 of RPC 18. The 1932 ARA
cars and
these cars had the panel seam between the corrugations.
I'll add to this that the corrugations on the later Buckeye ends were
shaped somewhat differently than those on the earlier ends, with a
pronounced taper at the ends, in contrast to the flat ends on the
earlier corrugations. This is is readily visible in photos of the
Erie's 1932 ARA cars vs. the 1923 ARA cars.

Richard Hendrickson


FW: NC&StL FM 8 / FM 9

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone have a photo of NC&STL FM 8 or FM 9 flatcars showing what the AB
Brake placement looked liked. I have a Tichy car on my workbench (for 7
years) I need to finish and I haven't since I didn't know how to do the
brakes. Thanks for the recent thread on What's on your workbench, I am
trying to clean it off.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com


Re: San Juan Andrews O scale truck assembly

Trackman <jfpautz@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gnwolohon" <larrywolohon@...> wrote:

I am building/assembling an O scale San Juan WP boxcar. I have reached the where the Andrews trucks are to be assembled. I can't figure out how to fit the springs, the plank & the bolster to make the truck frame.
Larry,

If you carefully break the flash in the springs (fingernail works for me) and then squeeze them between your fingers a couple of times, they will flex fairly easily and should assemble with no problem.

John F. Pautz
American Switch & Signal
P:48 track components


As if on Cue: RMC and Milling Machines

Bill Welch
 

Several seemed interested enough in the recent discussion of milling machines, which I found very helpful that I wanted to point out the latest issue of RMC has what looks like a helpful beginners article on Milling Machines by Bob Walker. Not coincidentally, there is also a full page ad for the new Micro Mark milling machine.

Bill Welch


NC&StL FM 8 / FM 9

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone have a photo of NC&STL FM 8 or FM 9 flatcars showing what the AB
Brake placement looked liked. I have a Tichy car on my workbench (for 7
years) I need to finish and I haven't since I didn't know how to do the
brakes. Thanks for the recent thread on What's on your workbench, I am
trying to clean it off.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com


San Juan Andrews O scale truck assembly

Larry Wolohon
 

I am building/assembling an O scale San Juan WP boxcar. I have reached the where the Andrews trucks are to be assembled. I can't figure out how to fit the springs, the plank & the bolster to make the truck frame.

How does all these fit together? I cn't fit all these parts together in the side frame. The spring castings don't flex much & I can't figure this out.

Thanks.

Larry Wolohon


B&O M55

Mark
 

I have a couple questions on the following cars:

M55 384000-384499 blt 1940

M55a 465000-465899 blt 1941

M55b 465900-465999 blt 1942

All have Duryea under frames and odd ends. Flat steel plate roof on M55 not sure about the other two classes. The ends on M55a appear to be similar to Roundhouse boxcar with the curved roof.

Picture of M55 and M55a in B&O color book pages 75 and 76. The photo of car number 465273 shows a slack adjuster, was this a later addition.

Thank you and sorry for bothering all with more questions!
Mark Morgan


Re: scanning & printing

Mark
 

That is the same one we use at home. Simply the best and first Canon!
Mark Morgan

--- On Tue, 9/7/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] scanning & printing
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com, MFCL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 6:51 PM







 









Freight car fans



Once in a while the subject of scanners/printers comes up and

I thought this item might be of interest -- a $32 all-in-one (it

is $40 if you buy it at the store like I did). I bought one for my

daughter to have at college and when she showed me a picture she'd

taken with her camera phone and printed, I was astounded how good

it was! These devices are so cheap that it actually costs LESS to

throw out the machine when the toner runs out, and buy a new machine!

(Not an exaggeration.)



http://www.walmart.com/ip/Canon-Pixma-MP250-Photo-All-In-One-Inkjet-Printer-Copier-Scanner/12534987



Anyway this thing is so cheap and simple (and portable) that I'll

get one just for the workshop... maybe to make some quick decals. :-)



Obviously this isn't good enough for archival scans and prints but

it might be a handy workshop "tool".



With the copier feature, I can make tape cutting masks easily too!

No more driving to Staples to copy them.



Tim O'Connor

























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scanning & printing

Tim O'Connor
 

Freight car fans

Once in a while the subject of scanners/printers comes up and
I thought this item might be of interest -- a $32 all-in-one (it
is $40 if you buy it at the store like I did). I bought one for my
daughter to have at college and when she showed me a picture she'd
taken with her camera phone and printed, I was astounded how good
it was! These devices are so cheap that it actually costs LESS to
throw out the machine when the toner runs out, and buy a new machine!
(Not an exaggeration.)

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Canon-Pixma-MP250-Photo-All-In-One-Inkjet-Printer-Copier-Scanner/12534987

Anyway this thing is so cheap and simple (and portable) that I'll
get one just for the workshop... maybe to make some quick decals. :-)

Obviously this isn't good enough for archival scans and prints but
it might be a handy workshop "tool".

With the copier feature, I can make tape cutting masks easily too!
No more driving to Staples to copy them.

Tim O'Connor


Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

PBowers
 

A photo of one of the stock cars can be found at http://railwaymuseum.ab.ca/node/17#172755
PBB

At 09:05 AM 07/09/2010, Rich C wrote:
Peter,

I have a fleet of Westerfield Fowler Patent CNR stock cars that have the vertical slat doors, and after reading your note, checked them. Whew, I was relieved to find the ones that are appropriate have the X braced doors and I won't have to tear my models apart to correct them. Can you provide any prototype pictures of this X braced door design so folks can see what you refer to?

Rich Chrysler
Peter Bowers

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Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] CN Fowler cars - X Braced frame doors

PBowers
 

At 09:05 AM 07/09/2010, Rich C wrote:
Peter,

I have a fleet of Westerfield Fowler Patent CNR stock cars that have the vertical slat doors, and after reading your note, checked them. Whew, I was relieved to find the ones that are appropriate have the X braced doors and I won't have to tear my models apart to correct them. Can you provide any prototype pictures of this X braced door design so folks can see what you refer to?

Rich Chrysler
Peter Bowers

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Re: Cambria and Indiana Freight Car Information

cr6485 <bbandbrr@...>
 

Al,

Thank you so much. This helps incredibly.

Keith

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Some published photos:

C&I 5060 in service, Model Railroading 4/89, p 22

C&I 583 in service, Henderson, "Classic Freight Cars" vol 4, p 12

C&I 823 in service, Classic Trains Wi/03 p 85

C&I 372 in service; C&I 4634, 599, 600 builders'; all RP CYC 4 pp 92-93

C&I 1035 in service, Karig, "Coal Cars: The First 300 Years", p 359; C&I 5067, 454, 911 in service, same book, p 319

C&I 2516, 3059 in service, RMJ 2/02 pp 25-26

C&I 372, 747 in service; C&I 600, 599 builders'; RMJ 8/06 pp 45-49

C&I 4804 in service, Kline and Culotta, "Postwar Freight Car Fleet", p 162

-- hth --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Roger Hinman <rhinman@> wrote:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/photo/hopkinspdfmain.html

There's one photo available in the Chas Wales collection

Roger Hinman
On Sep 3, 2010, at 2:54 PM, cr6485 wrote:

This may not be the most-appropriate forum for this post. If not, I apologize and ask the moderators to delete the message.

Being involved with the restoration of Cambria & Indiana HM 162, I quickly realized that no one seems to have performed a thorough documentation of the railroad's revenue freight car fleet. We struggled quite a bit to find lettering diagrams, builders, and rebuild information. I've decided to begin the process of documenting the C&I's entire fleet throughout its 90-year existance as an active railroad. I want this research to include all cars owned by the railroad, not just hoppers.

Can anyone point me to collection of builder's photos or other original fleet information. I'm looking for orders, builders photos, in-service photos, etc... from all eras. I've checked the normal online means (The Fallen Flags site, the C&I site, amongst many others), Retter's Standard Steel lists, and Bill Nixon's photos. I've also gone through the files section of this group to see the Westerfield photo list and other things. Surprisingly little has shown up.

What else is available? Would anyone be willing to help point me in the proper direction? I'm willing to pay postage on any items sent to me, and will return items promptly, post paid.

Incidentally, anyone interested in the restoration of 162 can look at the following URL: http://tinyurl.com/24fejfh

Thanks,
Keith Burkey





Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Tim O'Connor
 

I dunno... 2-56 is pretty clunky. I'd prefer an O-80 counterset
screw so it's much less visible, like the Accurail boxes.

Tim O'Connor

KD Sam wrote: "The #78 assembled coupler in a narrow box will be replaced by a #178 (using the whisker #158) in the same
box but with a center hole for a #2 (2-56) screw."

Yeah!!
Clark Propst


Re: Discontinuance of Kadee #58 Semi-Scale Couplers

Tim O'Connor
 

Sam

Nice!! (Drat, I just bought two packages of #242)... Will you be including
the #262 box with your whisker couplers in the future?

Tim O'Connor

we just released the #262 box that's a bit narrower and shallower than a standard box.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

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