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Re: UTOX Tank Car from Intermountain/Red Caboose

SUVCWORR@...
 

I can't help but think someone mistook UTCX for UTOX on an unclear photo and the error is continuing to be replicated. The IM car numbers are 245xx and 246xx. Are these valid UTCX numbers? I don't have an ORER nearby at the moment.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: billsoman <billso@gnventures.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 2:36 pm
Subject: [STMFC] UTOX Tank Car from Intermountain/Red Caboose


There was an exchange last year confirming the non-existence of a UTOX mark as

used on a Walthers car. See message below, and http://www.nrhs.com/reporting_marks/aar_reporting_marks.htm,

and http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportu.html (both derived from ORERs)



Now Intermountain/Red Caboose has announced a silver/grey tank car with Standard

Oil logo and UTOX mark (http://www.imrcmodels.com/newshocomingsoon.html). Anyone

know if IM has independent research on this, or is just compounding the error?



-- Bill Sornsin





--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Don Strack" <donstrack@...> wrote:

I have among my collection of cars (put away for later use) an old Walthers
tank car from the 1990s, painted metallic gray, with a Standard logo and UTOX

reporting mark, car number 10325. It includes a weigh date of "L.A. 1-37". UTOX

has been taken locally here in Utah as meaning Utah Oil Company, which Standard

of Indiana bought in 1921. Here is some background for Utah Oil Company:

http://utahrails.net/industries/oil.php
I sent a note to Richard Hendricks, and his reply was not encouraging as to
either the UTOX mark, or the accuracy of the Walthers paint scheme in general.

He also suggested that Union Tank Car's UTCX mark may have been misread as UTOX.

Richard's comment about the accuracy of the Walthers model rings with a bit of
truth, since the "torch" logo they used was not used by Standard until 1946,

which may or may not match the 1-37 weigh date.

I checked my January 1940 ORER on Westerfield's CD, and there is a UTCX series
that would include UTCX 10325, but I may be missing something since I'm not very

familiar with how to use an ORER to best advantage.

Maybe someone out there in STMFC land can take a quick look in their
resources and tell me about a UTOX reporting mark, especially if it even
existed.

I am also interested in tank cars that may have been operated by the local
Wasatch Oil Company, which Phillips bought in 1947. One local source has said

that both Utah Oil and Wasatch Oil operated their own tanks cars throughout Utah

and Idaho, and would have competed locally with products from Sinclair in

Wyoming. Utah Oil's refinery north of Salt Lake City was opened in 1909 and grew

from there, until in the 1960s it was the largest refinery in the Intermountain

West. Wasatch Oil's refinery further north in Woods Cross was opened in 1932,

and very soon became number two in size.

Any help would be appreciated, and will be captured on the above mentioned web
page, for the whole world to see and use.

Don Strack






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Re: UTOX Tank Car from Intermountain/Red Caboose

Thomas Warne <warne@...>
 

Standard Oil of Indiana had a refinery in Salt Lake City, Utah -- the companywas called Utah Oil (UTOCO).  Since their Amoco cars ran under the nameAMOX, it's quite possible that the UTOCO cars used UTOX.  My freight carguide is buried somewhere in my files... I'll have to dig it out to verify this.
Tom Warne

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, billsoman <billso@gnventures.net> wrote:

From: billsoman <billso@gnventures.net>
Subject: [STMFC] UTOX Tank Car from Intermountain/Red Caboose
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 12:36 PM
















 









There was an exchange last year confirming the non-existence of a UTOX mark as used on a Walthers car. See message below, and http://www.nrhs.com/reporting_marks/aar_reporting_marks.htm, and http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportu.html (both derived from ORERs)



Now Intermountain/Red Caboose has announced a silver/grey tank car with Standard Oil logo and UTOX mark (http://www.imrcmodels.com/newshocomingsoon.html). Anyone know if IM has independent research on this, or is just compounding the error?



-- Bill Sornsin



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Don Strack" <donstrack@...> wrote:

I have among my collection of cars (put away for later use) an old Walthers tank car from the 1990s, painted metallic gray, with a Standard logo and UTOX reporting mark, car number 10325. It includes a weigh date of "L.A. 1-37". UTOX has been taken locally here in Utah as meaning Utah Oil Company, which Standard of Indiana bought in 1921. Here is some background for Utah Oil Company:
http://utahrails.net/industries/oil.php
I sent a note to Richard Hendricks, and his reply was not encouraging as to either the UTOX mark, or the accuracy of the Walthers paint scheme in general. He also suggested that Union Tank Car's UTCX mark may have been misread as UTOX.
Richard's comment about the accuracy of the Walthers model rings with a bit of truth, since the "torch" logo they used was not used by Standard until 1946, which may or may not match the 1-37 weigh date.
I checked my January 1940 ORER on Westerfield's CD, and there is a UTCX series that would include UTCX 10325, but I may be missing something since I'm not very familiar with how to use an ORER to best advantage.
Maybe someone out there in STMFC land can take a quick look in their
resources and tell me about a UTOX reporting mark, especially if it even existed.
I am also interested in tank cars that may have been operated by the local Wasatch Oil Company, which Phillips bought in 1947. One local source has said that both Utah Oil and Wasatch Oil operated their own tanks cars throughout Utah and Idaho, and would have competed locally with products from Sinclair in Wyoming. Utah Oil's refinery north of Salt Lake City was opened in 1909 and grew from there, until in the 1960s it was the largest refinery in the Intermountain West. Wasatch Oil's refinery further north in Woods Cross was opened in 1932, and very soon became number two in size.
Any help would be appreciated, and will be captured on the above mentioned web page, for the whole world to see and use.
Don Strack


























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Re: Michigan Car ID Needed

William Jensen-Frisk
 

I suspect it is an interurban electric trailer. Brake wheels and low platforms like that were common to keep away from the wire above when setting brakes on electric interurbans, which usually did not interchange with steam railroads. I have found mention of a combined interurban and Graham & Morton Steamship peach routing to Chicago from about 1906 to 1928. "Peach Belt Way" was a slogan used at one time for the Dowagiac branch of the Benton Harbor- St Joe electric Railway. Coupler does not show but electric lines had much longer shanks to allow for tighter turns in city streets. Bill Frisk


UTOX Tank Car from Intermountain/Red Caboose

billsoman
 

There was an exchange last year confirming the non-existence of a UTOX mark as used on a Walthers car. See message below, and http://www.nrhs.com/reporting_marks/aar_reporting_marks.htm, and http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportu.html (both derived from ORERs)

Now Intermountain/Red Caboose has announced a silver/grey tank car with Standard Oil logo and UTOX mark (http://www.imrcmodels.com/newshocomingsoon.html). Anyone know if IM has independent research on this, or is just compounding the error?

-- Bill Sornsin

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Don Strack" <donstrack@...> wrote:

I have among my collection of cars (put away for later use) an old Walthers tank car from the 1990s, painted metallic gray, with a Standard logo and UTOX reporting mark, car number 10325. It includes a weigh date of "L.A. 1-37". UTOX has been taken locally here in Utah as meaning Utah Oil Company, which Standard of Indiana bought in 1921. Here is some background for Utah Oil Company:

http://utahrails.net/industries/oil.php

I sent a note to Richard Hendricks, and his reply was not encouraging as to either the UTOX mark, or the accuracy of the Walthers paint scheme in general. He also suggested that Union Tank Car's UTCX mark may have been misread as UTOX.

Richard's comment about the accuracy of the Walthers model rings with a bit of truth, since the "torch" logo they used was not used by Standard until 1946, which may or may not match the 1-37 weigh date.

I checked my January 1940 ORER on Westerfield's CD, and there is a UTCX series that would include UTCX 10325, but I may be missing something since I'm not very familiar with how to use an ORER to best advantage.

Maybe someone out there in STMFC land can take a quick look in their
resources and tell me about a UTOX reporting mark, especially if it even existed.

I am also interested in tank cars that may have been operated by the local Wasatch Oil Company, which Phillips bought in 1947. One local source has said that both Utah Oil and Wasatch Oil operated their own tanks cars throughout Utah and Idaho, and would have competed locally with products from Sinclair in Wyoming. Utah Oil's refinery north of Salt Lake City was opened in 1909 and grew from there, until in the 1960s it was the largest refinery in the Intermountain West. Wasatch Oil's refinery further north in Woods Cross was opened in 1932, and very soon became number two in size.

Any help would be appreciated, and will be captured on the above mentioned web page, for the whole world to see and use.

Don Strack


Re: Reefers With End Doors?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 28, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Bob C wrote:

Does anyone know the answer to this question?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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All,

Question: Were there any reefers that had end-loading doors at one
end, similar to the early end-door equipped automobile boxcars?
No, not that I'm aware of. Burlington Refrigerator Express (BREX)
had a few 50' cars with side doors at one end, as well as in the
center, however.

Richard Hendrickson


Reefers With End Doors?

Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Does anyone know the answer to this question?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
+++++++++++
All,

Question: Were there any reefers that had end-loading doors at one end, similar to the early end-door equipped automobile boxcars?

Thanks,
Eric Berman


Re: Fruit Growers reefer/reefer color

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Buddy" <palmettoLTD@...> wrote:

A few links to additional photos of FGEX/BREX/WFEX reefers from the May 1942 LIFE article on Yemassee SC. A definite bookmark (and time machine) for any ACL fans out there.

Color photo of FGEX R7 and SFRD Reefers:

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Yemassee+Junction+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DYemassee%2BJunction%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1016%26bih%3D579%26tbs%3Disch:1&imgurl=44b151c4daa9416b
Nice job Buddy.

Anyone care to comment on the color of the SFRD reefers? It looks like the negative/print still had red color.

Ed


Michigan Boxcar

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

Here is the photo of the Michigan boxcar and the horizontal hand brake:

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t116/railsnw/MichiganBoxcar-01.jpg

and a closeup view of the shield logo that says "The Line Through Michigan's Peac Orchards"

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t116/railsnw/MichiganBoxcar-02.jpg

Richard Wilkens


Re: Bus loads

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Todd,
 
        IIRC, I found it on the fallen flag website while looking for flat cars.  It has been in MR quite some time ago, and one of the books in my library. You did not miss anything new, just two long time kit builders thinking out loud
 
Fred Freitas
PRRT&HS

--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Todd Horton <toddchorton@rocketmail.com> wrote:


From: Todd Horton <toddchorton@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bus loads
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 4:23 PM


 



Did I miss something? Is there a link to the photo?  Todd Horton

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From: Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 4:11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bus loads

 
Tim,
 
      Yes, indeed the same photo.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Bus loads
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 2:17 PM

 

Fred, if you mean the great shot of 5 flat cars with buses on them,
those are the San Fran muni buses I meant! :-)

Tim O'Connor

Most of us have seen the flat car load photo of several buses and thought
it would make a great model. The images are out there to be found; I'm still
searching for the right color photo to make some of my own printout decals.
Fred Freitas
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Re: Ladder widths

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

JP Barger inquires as to just how freight car ladder widths should actually be measured-


1) the rung length between stiles, or the functional step-on length of the
rung between the inside edge of the stiles?

2) Or, is it the length between rung mounts on the stiles, say between the
attaching rivets, bolts or slots in the stiles? (not likely!)

3) Or, is it outside overall width of the ladder assembly, measured between
the outside edges of the two stiles?



Well, the actual side ladder width that I need as measured by the width of the rungs/steps between stiles is 20", with the usual +/-. The ladders on the ends are nominally 18", and those.... I do have.

Now, I do have the correct side ladders in resin, but the rungs are like gossamer after the ladder has been planked, cleaned and made ready for the table. The first one I finished looked beautiful until under my very eyes one rung simply disappeared, and then another step several rungs away snapped at one attachment. I have two more of the correct resin ladders waiting in the wings, but I am not optimistic.

JP, you are a very welcome new voice of experience on this list, and I am so pleased that you have joined us!


Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Okoboji, Iowa


Re: Bus loads

Todd Horton
 

Did I miss something? Is there a link to the photo?  Todd Horton




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From: Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 4:11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bus loads

 
Tim,
 
      Yes, indeed the same photo.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Bus loads
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 2:17 PM

 

Fred, if you mean the great shot of 5 flat cars with buses on them,
those are the San Fran muni buses I meant! :-)

Tim O'Connor

Most of us have seen the flat car load photo of several buses and thought
it would make a great model. The images are out there to be found; I'm still
searching for the right color photo to make some of my own printout decals.
Fred Freitas
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Re: Bus loads

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Tim,
 
      Yes, indeed the same photo.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Bus loads
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 2:17 PM


 




Fred, if you mean the great shot of 5 flat cars with buses on them,
those are the San Fran muni buses I meant! :-)

Tim O'Connor

Most of us have seen the flat car load photo of several buses and thought
it would make a great model. The images are out there to be found; I'm still
searching for the right color photo to make some of my own printout decals.
Fred Freitas







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Re: Bus loads

Tim O'Connor
 

Fred, if you mean the great shot of 5 flat cars with buses on them,
those are the San Fran muni buses I meant! :-)

Tim O'Connor

Most of us have seen the flat car load photo of several buses and thought
it would make a great model. The images are out there to be found; I'm still
searching for the right color photo to make some of my own printout decals.
Fred Freitas


Freight Car Models and Kits For Sale

Richard Hendrickson
 

Realizing that I have a far larger collection of freight car models
and kits than I'll be able to build in what's left of my lifetime,
I'm cleaning out many of them from my storage room. I have two
inventories of items for sale, one of injection molded styrene RTR
models and kits, the other of molded resin kits (Sunshine,
Westerfield, and some others, including some that are relatively
rare). Later this year, they'll be offered to the world in general
on e-Bay, but I'm giving STMFC listers first shot at them. If you
are interested in either list (or both), e-mail me OFF LIST at
<rhendrickson@opendoor.com> . Please DO NOT respond directly to this
message, thus cluttering up the STMFC list; contact me directly at
the address above.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Michigan Car ID Needed

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "railsnw1" <railsnw@...> wrote:

So this slogan was on GTW cars?

Richard Wilkens
Sounds like something the Detroit & Mackinac would do, somewhere between the turtle herald and Mackinac Mac. :-)

Dennis


Re: Michigan Car ID Needed

water.kresse@...
 

The GTW Historical Society is based out of Durand, Michigan.  They only list a postal contact: GTWHS, PO Box 183682, Shelby Township, MI  48317 (Sheby Township is just south of Romeo).  However, there is a GTWHS Yahoo List site.  It is only a lead, not an answer.



Al Kresse


Re: Bus loads

Pieter Roos
 

There are a number of possible sources for lettering information to make Greyhound buses for loads (or whatever).

Here is an on-line source of photos that may have what you need:

http://www.sessions-station.com/Busses/index6.html


and here is a site with free, downloadable paper model buses in 1/87 scale. It should be pretty simple to cut and paste the beits with the lettering and print it on decal paper.


http://hudatdere.freehostia.com/Greyhound-Parlor-Coach.html

I have no association with either site, except as a viewer.

Pieter Roos
Connecticut

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...> wrote:

GUYZ,
 
This is where decal paper for your printer of choice and some computer time to find the required images pays off. A friend who is a bus modeler does this all the time to get the correct lettering for his units; both 1/87 and 1/4 scale.  Bill, a man my size [ 6'-2"  + 300# ] has no business wearing jodhs out of the house. I'll stick to the kahkis and jeans.
 
Most of us have seen the flat car load photo of several buses and thought it would make a great model. The images are out there to be found; I'm still searching for the right color photo to make some of my own printout decals. Anyone else tried this for flat car loads?
 
Fred Freitas


Re: Michigan Car ID Needed

water.kresse@...
 

Rich,



I never said that.  All I know is 1) Romeo is currently the Peach Capital of Michigan and 2) the GTW was the last RR to run thru town.  GTW shipped engine blocks out in the early 1900s.  GTW could "Y" south from Romeo to Detroit into the Eastern Market area.  You need to bounce your question off a GTW "expert".  I've been here for 23 years . . . . just long enough to see a derailment and subsequent abandonment of the line to then become a walking/biking trail.  The passenger stn , coal storage areas, and granaries were already long gone before I got here.



Al Kresse

in beautiful Romeo, Michigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "railsnw1" < railsnw @ verizon .net>
To: STMFC @ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:18:03 PM
Subject: [ STMFC ] Re: Michigan Car ID Needed

So this slogan was on GTW cars?

Richard Wilkens

--- In STMFC @ yahoogroups .com, water. kresse @... wrote:



Romeo, Michigan, in the "thumb" of the Lower Michigan is the current official Michigan Peach Festival Center.  The GTW use to cut right through the orchards ( southeast   corner) of the area surrounding the village.  It was the Pontiac to Rochester to Richmond line.  Ford bought 1st Model A engine blocks from a local foundry in the village.  They always  have an annual Peach Fest Queen (at least in "modern" days).



Al Kresse


----- Original Message -----
From: "railsnw1" < railsnw @...>
To: STMFC @ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:09:18 PM
Subject: [ STMFC ] Michigan Car ID Needed

Picked up a snap shot photo of a girl hanging on the side of a wood double sheathed boxcar. The reason I bought it was of the unusual handbrake. On the car side is a shield with the slogan "The Line Through Michigan's Peach Orchards"

Anyone know what railroad this is? I'll try to scan the photo this evening.

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens





Re: Yemassee Junction photos was Fruit Growers reefer

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tim,

Set 993B "*Belt Rail Striping and Special Effects"* is listed in section
III. I think you could also use set CN-178 for the Iron Monster
streetcars. I never paid any attention to SF Muni buses, so I'm not
quite sure how the wings looked.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Thanks Garth! This looks like the correct style, but it says I
need to use set 993B, which is not listed! :-(

http://www.trolleyville.com/customtraxx/I-Lettering/SFMR1024.gif

Tim O'Connor




Tim and friends,

Custom Traxx has some SF Muni decals for streetcars. Perhaps parts of
them could be adapted for buses:
http://www.trolleyville.com/customtraxx/I-Lettering/I-Lettering.html .

Kind regards,
Garth Groff


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