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Re: I Second That Motion!

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tom Madden writes:

"The rear window was completely iced over. Mike, aren't there any zoning laws against this??"

Ice!? This is indeed puzzling. Surely Tom Madden from Boulder, CO, knows what ice looks like. Perhaps it was merely a plastic covering. I could ask the hotel I suppose. Certainly I'm not going to go over and check it out. Heck, the high today is still below freezing...about 57�. But, to answer Tom...I would not be surprised if there was one today.

I will say that on Friday morning when I was home to get models, cameras, projectors etc I checked a bird bath and found a circular ice flow/ice berg about 1/4" thick floating in it...Now, to give everyone a warm...uh...a feeling of security and well being with regard to climate change in the warmer direction...this has not happened in the last 40 yrs...although in the great Christmas freeze of 1989 it would have if I had been stupid enough to venture outside to put water in one.

As everyone knows, political comments on the STMFC are not permitted and so the following is not one and I warn everyone to avoid such. Nevertheless, on one morning when I went to the car, parked way out in the parking lot, wind blowing right into me from the NW, God alone knows what the wind chill was, only the grace of God kept someone from stopping me to warn me about "global warming".

And, now back to frt cars.

Mike Brock


Re: 5021 ERIE/B&M 40' Steel Milk Car With Viking Roof (Funaro & Camerlengo Kit)

Brian Carlson
 

Not a web link but Railway Prototype Cyclopedia 19 has a 10 page article on these cars. It's worth the price.
Brian carlson

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, David C. Wilson <davidchriswilson@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: David C. Wilson <davidchriswilson@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] 5021 ERIE/B&M 40' Steel Milk Car With Viking Roof (Funaro & Camerlengo Kit)
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:03 AM


 



Group

Can anyone point me to some prototype photos of these cars? Preferably a web-link.

Thanks!!

Dave Wilson


5021 ERIE/B&M 40' Steel Milk Car With Viking Roof (Funaro & Camerlengo Kit)

David C. Wilson <davidchriswilson@...>
 

Group

Can anyone point me to some prototype photos of these cars? Preferably a web-link.

Thanks!!

Dave Wilson


DL&W Boxcars Paint Color

pennsylvania1954
 

For Schuyler or anyone else that knows--What is a model paint mix that matches the DL&W boxcars in the as-built scheme offered at http://www.erielack.org/? Lacking any other info, I am assuming that it is a good match to the prototype.

Thanks!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Dalman One-Level trucks

Bill Welch
 

A couple of years ago at Naperville, I purchased some trucks from "Sunshine" labeled Dalman One Level. I don't know if Martin offers these through the mail. He said these were imported years ago by someone which he in turn purchased when they did not sell.

I don't know if he still offers them.

Bill Welch


Re: I Second That Motion!

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Brian Carlson:

I'll say right now, I'll eat lunch outside next year regardless of the weather.
My wife and I go up to the Cocoa Beach IHOP about a mile north of the Hilton for a big breakfast on Friday & Saturday mornings, then forego lunch.

We're still at the Hilton and will drive over to the gulf coast later today. Just took some luggage out to our rental car, which was parked close-in to the hotel. The rear window was completely iced over. Mike, aren't there any zoning laws against this??

Let me add my thanks to all involved for a great meet. Already looking forward to next year.

Tom Madden


RES: Cocoa Beach

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

Thank you.



Marcelo Lordeiro

www.mrcustom.com.br

trens@mrcustom.com.br

Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758



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De: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Em nome de Schuyler
Larrabee
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2010 17:29
Para: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: RE: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach





Dave Hussey said he would be putting many photos on a pbase site

SGL

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Subject: RES: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach



Are you guys going to post photos of the meeting ?

Marcelo Lordeiro
www.mrcustom.com.br
trens@mrcustom. <mailto:trens%40mrcustom.com.br> com.br
<mailto:trens%40mrcustom.com.br>
Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758

A long way south of Gary Laasko , 108°F here two hours ago

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Assunto: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach

It was a great gathering and the models on display were superb: great
passenger cars, freight cars plus both steam-diesel-turbines and some
buildings and trestles. I think next year I will bring my earliest resin
kit to show some improvement in my skills since 1986. Monty Switzer used
the dark and light paint line technique over the rivet lines on boxcars to
great advantage. Bruce Smith had only the second largest collection of
belpaire boilers on display! The presentations had a broad scope and Bill
Darnaby's wonderful presentation on scenery left the ice modeling to Mike
Brock. A wonderful way to avoid the icy jail cell. Okay, i was in my
shorts all the time anyway and missed any and all ice buildups.
Wonderful job, one and all....yes, Greg Martin, my zona saw is thawing out
as i type this...is it easier to saw frozen plastic or do i keep the saw
frozen and thaw out the plastic for the shake n take clinic? Steve Orth's
clinic on upgrading Atheran UP 4-8-4s covered so many detail changes, i
could have sworn he did 3 of those big FEFs.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock (we hit 80 here on Friday, thereby speeding the thaw
out
to Saturday)
vasa0vasa@earthlinl <mailto:vasa0vasa%40earthlinl.net> .net
<mailto:vasa0vasa%40earthlinl.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schneider
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 1/11/2010 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach

Just wanted to thank Mike, Jeff and the entire crew of high-paid staff
that
pulled off another great Prototype Rails meet. Another great mix of
clinics,
displays and camaraderie!

If anybody wants to help out next year I understand that Mike is looking
for
a new Weather Coordinator, for some reason he seemed to think that it was
one aspect which could have been improved this year.... !

Bill Schneider

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Shake_N_Take list

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shake_N_Take


At Cocoa, some of the shake-n-takers were saying they had difficulty finding the Shake_N_Take list
to sign on. The link above will get you there.

SGL
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Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12

Brian Carlson
 

If I knew what I needed them for, I might want them. ATSF and CN are all I
know so far.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Leppert
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:47 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12





Steve,

I've attached my list of Dalman 2-level users.

As far as I've learned, CN's purchases of Dalman 2-level trucks seems to
have been limited to cars built in 1929. After that, for a few years, CN was
buying 1-level Dalmans and Symington increased spring capacity trucks. In
all cases, these trucks had the Barber Lateral Motion devices.

Principle info I have for the above CN cars is Stafford Swain's box car
article in June 1994 Railmodel Journal and his reefer article in June 2001
RMC.

Wish that there were enough people wanting a 1-level Dalman,

Brian
TMW


Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Brian Leppert wrote:

Wish that there were enough people wanting a 1-level Dalman
For what it's worth (probably not much), I'd really like to have
Dalman 1-level trucks, as thousands of Santa Fe cars built ca. 1930
had them (and, of course, cars built around that period for many
other RRs as well.)

Richard Hendrickson


Re: I Second That Motion!

Brian Carlson
 

I'll say right now, I'll eat lunch outside next year regardless of the weather.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Brock
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:36 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] I Second That Motion!






Bill is...as usual, very perceptive. I will note, however, that when I asked
Bill if he was going out to lunch on Sat, his face had a quizzical look on
it and he asked..."You mean...outside?" For those that don't know...Bill is
from Connecticut. Not exactly an encouraging comment for the tourist
industry.

Mike Brock


Re: I Second That Motion!

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Marty McGuirk says:

"I want my money back since I was guaranteed by Mr. Brock himself "I can't promise 80 degrees, but I guarantee it won't snow. . . ."

"I think that constitutes grounds for a refund."

No, no no. I heard this morning that rumors of snow were unfounded. Apparently "ice pellets" fell from the sky...as proclaimed by the weather guys [ in the pay, no doubt, of local tourist leaders ].

"Of course, as Bill Schneider said to me Sunday morning, "We'll be living on the #$@% we give Mike for this for the next year . . ." "

Bill is...as usual, very perceptive. I will note, however, that when I asked Bill if he was going out to lunch on Sat, his face had a quizzical look on it and he asked..."You mean...outside?" For those that don't know...Bill is from Connecticut. Not exactly an encouraging comment for the tourist industry.

Mike Brock


Re: Dalman trucks (was ATSF raised--roof BX-12)

Walter Cox
 

I could use some 1 level trucks also. Walt

In a message dated 1/11/2010 12:47:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brianleppert@att.net writes:

Principle info I have for the above CN cars is Stafford Swain's box car
article in June 1994 Railmodel Journal and his reefer article in June 2001
RMC.


Re: Cocoa Beach

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Dave Hussey said he would be putting many photos on a pbase site

SGL

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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:29 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RES: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach



Are you guys going to post photos of the meeting ?

Marcelo Lordeiro
www.mrcustom.com.br
trens@mrcustom.com.br <mailto:trens%40mrcustom.com.br>
Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758

A long way south of Gary Laasko , 108°F here two hours ago

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<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] Em nome de gary
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<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Assunto: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach

It was a great gathering and the models on display were superb: great
passenger cars, freight cars plus both steam-diesel-turbines and some
buildings and trestles. I think next year I will bring my earliest resin
kit to show some improvement in my skills since 1986. Monty Switzer used
the dark and light paint line technique over the rivet lines on boxcars to
great advantage. Bruce Smith had only the second largest collection of
belpaire boilers on display! The presentations had a broad scope and Bill
Darnaby's wonderful presentation on scenery left the ice modeling to Mike
Brock. A wonderful way to avoid the icy jail cell. Okay, i was in my
shorts all the time anyway and missed any and all ice buildups.
Wonderful job, one and all....yes, Greg Martin, my zona saw is thawing out
as i type this...is it easier to saw frozen plastic or do i keep the saw
frozen and thaw out the plastic for the shake n take clinic? Steve Orth's
clinic on upgrading Atheran UP 4-8-4s covered so many detail changes, i
could have sworn he did 3 of those big FEFs.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock (we hit 80 here on Friday, thereby speeding the thaw out
to Saturday)
vasa0vasa@earthlinl.net <mailto:vasa0vasa%40earthlinl.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schneider
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 1/11/2010 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach

Just wanted to thank Mike, Jeff and the entire crew of high-paid staff that
pulled off another great Prototype Rails meet. Another great mix of clinics,
displays and camaraderie!

If anybody wants to help out next year I understand that Mike is looking for
a new Weather Coordinator, for some reason he seemed to think that it was
one aspect which could have been improved this year.... !

Bill Schneider

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Re: Car in Duluth photo

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Indian640@... wrote:

Also, why do the cars in the rearmost track seem so much
bigger than the ones in front? (Example, GFX 10236 vs.
NP 8885 or NP 14368 vs. NP 35200) Were the reefers
really bigger or is this an optical illusion from the
photography technique?



It's likely a result of the use of a cut film camera with a
slightly wide angle lens. With "Wide angle" [a focal
length less than the film negative diagonal - very gross
rule of thumb] lens the so-called "wide angle" effect is that
objects in the foreground seem closer than they are,
and larger than they are relative to other objects.
I disagree that it's a photographic aberration, since the cars in question are not far apart, and are all in the middle distance. Refer again to the original photo at:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/6958?size=_original

I think the simplest answer is the most obvious; yes, the reefers are bigger than the boxcars on the track just in front of them. They are also very likely newer. The first decade of the twentieth century was one of greatly increasing cars size, much like the sixties and seventies were in more recent times. Look at the two cars in the lower left corner of the photo; the C&NW "furniture and vehicle" car towers over the Omaha Road boxcar, yet the C&NW car is only built to dimensions that would be standard for common boxcars just ten years later.

Dennis


Re: I Second That Motion!

Marty McGuirk
 

I want my money back since I was guaranteed by Mr. Brock himself "I can't promise 80 degrees, but I guarantee it won't snow. . . ."



I think that constitutes grounds for a refund. Of course, as Bill Schneider said to me Sunday morning, "We'll be living on the #$@% we give Mike for this for the next year . . ." 



Seriously, well done to Mike and the rest of the gang who put on this event. The models were wonderful, the display room lively, and the clinics were, with one exception, (well two, if you count mine) outstanding. That other exception I wouldn't say was "bad" - "bizzare" comes to mind . .  . .



Got lots of great scenery tips from Lance and Bill Darnaby . . . Bill had me convinced I don't need any more ground foam, then an hour later Lance is showing me some ways to use it in conjunction with all the new scenery materials. Slightly different techniques, roughly the same materials, and both produced outstanding results.



I also really enjoyed hearing Tom Madden discuss using Archer rivets . . . 



I could go on and on but won't. Well done to all.



Marty

 



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I Second That Motion!

m repka
 

Yes a big thank you goes out to Mike Brock and crew who put on a great event with very few changes in clinic room locations or presenters, the schedule that I printed out more than a week before was just about the way it came down. This was the third one in a row that I have attended, each one has been slightly larger, and in my opinion, more informative, and enjoyable! As far as the weather, other than that Horizon room in the back, and the fact that none of the whole thing involves anything outside, "you can talk about the weather all you want, but you can not do anything about it", could be worse, it could be held in International Falls Mn.! Mike in St. Petersburg, where at 13:29 on Monday it is bright and sunny, but still no more than 46 out there with the wind!


RES: Cocoa Beach

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

Are you guys going to post photos of the meeting ?

Marcelo Lordeiro
www.mrcustom.com.br
trens@mrcustom.com.br
Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758

A long way south of Gary Laasko , 108°F here two hours ago




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De: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Em nome de gary
laakso
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2010 14:40
Para: STMFC@yahoogroups.com; STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach

It was a great gathering and the models on display were superb: great
passenger cars, freight cars plus both steam-diesel-turbines and some
buildings and trestles. I think next year I will bring my earliest resin
kit to show some improvement in my skills since 1986. Monty Switzer used
the dark and light paint line technique over the rivet lines on boxcars to
great advantage. Bruce Smith had only the second largest collection of
belpaire boilers on display! The presentations had a broad scope and Bill
Darnaby's wonderful presentation on scenery left the ice modeling to Mike
Brock. A wonderful way to avoid the icy jail cell. Okay, i was in my
shorts all the time anyway and missed any and all ice buildups.
Wonderful job, one and all....yes, Greg Martin, my zona saw is thawing out
as i type this...is it easier to saw frozen plastic or do i keep the saw
frozen and thaw out the plastic for the shake n take clinic? Steve Orth's
clinic on upgrading Atheran UP 4-8-4s covered so many detail changes, i
could have sworn he did 3 of those big FEFs.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock (we hit 80 here on Friday, thereby speeding the thaw out
to Saturday)
vasa0vasa@earthlinl.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schneider
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/11/2010 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach



Just wanted to thank Mike, Jeff and the entire crew of high-paid staff that
pulled off another great Prototype Rails meet. Another great mix of clinics,
displays and camaraderie!

If anybody wants to help out next year I understand that Mike is looking for
a new Weather Coordinator, for some reason he seemed to think that it was
one aspect which could have been improved this year.... !

Bill Schneider










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Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12

brianleppert@att.net
 

Steve,

I've attached my list of Dalman 2-level users.

As far as I've learned, CN's purchases of Dalman 2-level trucks seems to have been limited to cars built in 1929. After that, for a few years, CN was buying 1-level Dalmans and Symington increased spring capacity trucks. In all cases, these trucks had the Barber Lateral Motion devices.

Principle info I have for the above CN cars is Stafford Swain's box car article in June 1994 Railmodel Journal and his reefer article in June 2001 RMC.

Wish that there were enough people wanting a 1-level Dalman,

Brian
TMW

----- Original Message -----
From: railwayman
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12



Brian--

I'll get a pair of the #202 trucks and finish the car as a Bx-11. Good thing that you now have Canadian suppliers. I picked your trucks up at Terry Link's booth at a train show 100 miles west of Toronto yesterday.

Very nice work. I'd read much about them, but not seen any until yesterday. By the way, it's been pointed out to me that the #201 trucks are a good match for the trucks used on CN car orders from 1929 to at least the mid-1930's.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Or use the TMW-202 trucks and number the car as a Bx-11. There's only a slight difference in the ends and a couple correctable grab irons, and the trucks will be correct. That's what I'm going to do <g>.
>
> Brian Leppert
> Tahoe Model Works
> Carson City, NV
>
> --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@> wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:
> >
> > > Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
> > > car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?
> >
> > Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
> > so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
> > Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
> > on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
> > were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
> > HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
> > going to get.
> >
> > Richard Hendrickson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


Cocoa Beach

gary laakso
 

It was a great gathering and the models on display were superb: great passenger cars, freight cars plus both steam-diesel-turbines and some buildings and trestles. I think next year I will bring my earliest resin kit to show some improvement in my skills since 1986. Monty Switzer used the dark and light paint line technique over the rivet lines on boxcars to great advantage. Bruce Smith had only the second largest collection of belpaire boilers on display! The presentations had a broad scope and Bill Darnaby's wonderful presentation on scenery left the ice modeling to Mike Brock. A wonderful way to avoid the icy jail cell. Okay, i was in my shorts all the time anyway and missed any and all ice buildups.
Wonderful job, one and all....yes, Greg Martin, my zona saw is thawing out as i type this...is it easier to saw frozen plastic or do i keep the saw frozen and thaw out the plastic for the shake n take clinic? Steve Orth's clinic on upgrading Atheran UP 4-8-4s covered so many detail changes, i could have sworn he did 3 of those big FEFs.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock (we hit 80 here on Friday, thereby speeding the thaw out to Saturday)
vasa0vasa@earthlinl.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schneider
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/11/2010 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach



Just wanted to thank Mike, Jeff and the entire crew of high-paid staff that pulled off another great Prototype Rails meet. Another great mix of clinics, displays and camaraderie!

If anybody wants to help out next year I understand that Mike is looking for a new Weather Coordinator, for some reason he seemed to think that it was one aspect which could have been improved this year.... !

Bill Schneider

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