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Re: Cocoa Beach 2010 - Dave Ramos

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

This is the address he gave out at his clinic

dramos1701@yahoo.com

Roger Hinman

On Jan 13, 2010, at 1:34 PM, MDelvec952@aol.com wrote:



Is Dave Ramos on this list, or does anyone know his e-mail address?

Many thanks ....Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Denis Riley <twc3522326329@earthlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 1:20 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cocoa Beach 2010

2 other outstanding presentations were:

Jim Langston - Prototype Passenger Operations for Large and Small Pikes - Great photos
A lot of information about running passenger service on mid-sized layouts. I will be expanding passenger switching on my milk run. A warning for the Thursday ops group.
It also sounds like the Citrus club will be incorporating some of Jim's ideas as we rebuild our layout

David Ramos - Design of the New York Harbor Railroad: Car Float Operations in 1947
Not a topic of board interest, but from my view point one of the most complete discussions. The amount of detail both in research and the model grade "A" plus

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Re: sunshine kit instructions

Dennis Williams
 

Reuben. 
   Let me know what you need and how many.  Dennis
 
Dennis Williams/ Owner
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, reubeft <reubeft@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: reubeft <reubeft@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] sunshine kit instructions
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:11 PM


 



Thanks to Hurricane Katrina I lost the instructions for my Sunshine Kits but was able to save the kits. The sheets being on glossy paper have flaked and I am wanting to replace them, so i can build something.
If I create a list, can someone scan the missing instructions. etc.
Reuben Feuge
Poplarville, MS


New rolling stock kits coming in HO and S

Jim King
 

I will be producing the following (3) rolling stock kits in HO and S in
order shown below. Please contact me off list to place a no-money-required
reservation. When the kit approaches a production release date, I'll
contact you via email to "collect".



Southern Ry. 8-window wood cab (out of stock for many years) (HO only = $59)
the revamped kit will consist of a 1-pc body, photo etched brass ladder
rails, window mullions, awnings and end railings. Target release date is
Bob Harpe's Savannah GA RPM meet but may be postponed due to current
projects I'm working on that are time sensitive.



SAL B7 "turtle back" single-door boxcar (HO = $45, S = $80) >> target
release is early Summer 2010 (HO) and early/mid Summer 2010 (S)



C&O hi-side with oval Dreadnaught ends (HO = $45, S = $75-80) >> target
release is mid Summer 2010 (HO) and mid/late Summer 2010 (S) (I think the
CRR had 100 of the same style; still researching that one).



HO kits will include trucks, Kadee #58 "whisker" couplers and decals. S
kits will include Kadee couplers and decals. Prices shown are estimates and
do not include shipping. Discounts will be offered for multi-kit orders.



Many other items are planned after the above (3) and info is being collected
as time permits. Too early to formalize release dates or pricing but some
of the offerings will include, in no specific order, an N&W CF cab with t&g
and plywood siding, N&W/VGN G1 gon (HO/S), N&W G5 gon, N&W/EL transfer cab,
SR Berwick PS1 rebuilds, SR/CG boxcar-to-chip hopper conversion and N&W H10
70-ton hopper (HO and S). The B&O I1 and I5 cabs formerly offered by
Pacific Mtn. Scale Shops will be updated and offered over the next 6 months.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>;


Re: DS/SS split 1925 to 1950:  U.S. Summary - help needed

Wendye Ware
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, DIllini1@... wrote:


The Southern SU boxcars were built around 1922 and were double sheathed wooden cars.

Mike Wilson
Terre Haute, IN
Thanks Mike! Very useful information.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


DS/SS split 1925 to 1950:  U.S. Summary - help needed

DIllini1@...
 

The Southern SU boxcars were built around 1922 and were double sheathed wooden cars.

Mike Wilson
Terre Haute, IN


Re: Waukesha Diesel-Icer

Gary Roe
 

Thanks Tony & Bill!

gary roe
quincy, illinois


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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:30 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Waukesha Diesel-Icer




Gary Roe wrote:
However, I cannot find the pictures you speak of in the PFE book. I
did find a couple small photos of Preco "Cargotemp" equipment on
page 178; but nothing on the Waukesha equipment. Could you point me
in the right
direction?
Gary, PFE ice car conversions are discussed on pages 208, 211 and
212 of the book. PFE did not try the Waukesha hardware. They did try
units from Trane, Carrier, Transi-cold and Thermo-King. There is a
photo of one of the experimental cars on page 211.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


sunshine kit instructions

reubeft
 

Thanks to Hurricane Katrina I lost the instructions for my Sunshine Kits but was able to save the kits. The sheets being on glossy paper have flaked and I am wanting to replace them, so i can build something.
If I create a list, can someone scan the missing instructions. etc.
Reuben Feuge
Poplarville, MS


Re: DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed--Great Northern Cars

Wendye Ware
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Pulling out my trusty Great Northern Freight Car Diagrams of 1917, the GN XA boxcars in the 36000-37999 were built by Haskell and Barker in 4 batches: 1) in 1912 the 36000 to 36499, 2) in 1913 the 36500 to 36999, 3) in 1916 the 37000 to 37499 and 4) in 1917 the 37500 to 37999. They were double sheated with 8 truss rods some with full end doors, though the diagram does not indicate which.
The 205274 to 208452 were also H&B built in 1898-1899. All are DS with 8 truss rod boxcars.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...
This is terrific information, Gary. Thank you very much!

Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed--Great Northern Cars

gary laakso
 

Pulling out my trusty Great Northern Freight Car Diagrams of 1917, the GN XA boxcars in the 36000-37999 were built by Haskell and Barker in 4 batches: 1) in 1912 the 36000 to 36499, 2) in 1913 the 36500 to 36999, 3) in 1916 the 37000 to 37499 and 4) in 1917 the 37500 to 37999. They were double sheated with 8 truss rods some with full end doors, though the diagram does not indicate which.
The 205274 to 208452 were also H&B built in 1898-1899. All are DS with 8 truss rod boxcars.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

----- Original Message -----
From: laramielarry
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/13/2010 1:48:02 PM
Subject: [STMFC] DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed



Hi Everyone

I am in the process of transcribing ORER line data pertaining to box, auto, and ventilator cars for U.S. railroads into an Excel spreadsheet. The seven ORERs so far completed are: January 1925; February 1932; January 1938; April 1942; January 1945; April 1949; and July 1950. For each car series, I recorded the road, AAR mechanical designation, kind of car, starting and ending series numbers, interior length, width, and height, capacity in cu. ft. and pounds, and the number of cars. To these, I have been adding the sheathing type and build/rebuild years, as best I am able to determine from books, articles, websites, and individuals. Over the past few years, many of you on this list have graciously helped me to compile this peripheral information.

The Excel files allow one to summarize the data in a wide variety of forms. The table below divides the cars by sheathing type to show the number of double sheathed (DS), single sheathed (SS) and steel sheathed cars for the seven different ORERs. The category "Other" includes the ATSF panel cars, the GN plywood cars, and a few aluminum cars. "Conflict" means that some sources have identified the cars as having one type of sheathing, while others have pegged them as something else. (In some cases, the series apparently does consist of cars with disparate sheathing.) The data are for U.S. railroads only notably the CP and CN are excluded. Privately owned cars are also ignored.

Number of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 804,023; 601,559; 314,289; 201,065; 173,780; 84,534; 66,111
SS: 140,701; 250,565; 227,769; 213,480; 210,667; 174,306; 162,957
Steel: 50,854; 126,745; 205,103; 318,803; 353,406; 469,445; 478,502
Other: 4,498; 5,969; 6,922; 6,409; 5,915; 5,571; 4,782
Conflict: 3,542; 3,546; 3,599; 2,714; 2,334; 1,956; 1,701
Unknown: 79,277; 36,826; 6,398; 3,385; 2,221; 781; 511
Total: 1,082,895; 1,025,210; 764,080; 745,856; 748,323; 736,593; 714,564

Percentage of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 74.2%; 58.7%; 41.1%; 27.0%; 23.2%; 11.5%; 9.3%
SS: 13.0%; 24.4%; 29.8%; 28.6%; 28.2%; 23.7%; 22.8%
Steel: 4.7%; 12.4%; 26.8%; 42.7%; 47.2%; 63.7%; 67.0%
Other: 0.4%; 0.6%; 0.9%; 0.9%; 0.8%; 0.8%; 0.7%
Conflict: 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.5%; 0.4%; 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.2%
Unknown: 7.3%; 3.6%; 0.8%; 0.5%; 0.3%; 0.1%; 0.1%
Total: 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%

The percentage of cars of Unknown sheathing type is quite small for the five most recent ORERs, but is over 7% for 1925. Here are the series that have proven most elusive to me in trying to determine the sheathing (these are from the 1925 ORER):

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1925
C&O, XM, Box, 3900-6425, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 2390
CRI, XM, Box, 1200-2271, 34'4", 7'3", 5'0", 80000, 1033
GN, XA, Box, 36000-37999, 39'8.5", 10'0", 10'5.5", 80000, 1906
GN, XM, Box, 205274-208452, 36'0", 7'1", 5'4", 60000, 2849
M-K-T, XM, Box, 80000-91175, 36'0", 8'0", 6'1", 60000, 7604
M-K-T, XM, Box, 92000-94889, 33'11.25", 7'0", 5'0", 60000, 1292
NYC, XM, Box, 900250-901749, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 1107
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 151223-152457, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 1206
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 254700-256108, 36'0.5", 8'1", 6'0", 60000, 1388
T&P, XM, Box, 32448-34195, 33'10.5", 6'11.5", 5'6", 60000, 1293
T&P, XM, Box, 40100-43008, 36'0", 8'4", 6'0", 80000, 2830

If any of you can identify the sheathing type and year built I would very much appreciate having that information.

Thank you and best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming




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DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed

Wendye Ware
 

Hi Everyone

I am in the process of transcribing ORER line data pertaining to box, auto, and ventilator cars for U.S. railroads into an Excel spreadsheet. The seven ORERs so far completed are: January 1925; February 1932; January 1938; April 1942; January 1945; April 1949; and July 1950. For each car series, I recorded the road, AAR mechanical designation, kind of car, starting and ending series numbers, interior length, width, and height, capacity in cu. ft. and pounds, and the number of cars. To these, I have been adding the sheathing type and build/rebuild years, as best I am able to determine from books, articles, websites, and individuals. Over the past few years, many of you on this list have graciously helped me to compile this peripheral information.

The Excel files allow one to summarize the data in a wide variety of forms. The table below divides the cars by sheathing type to show the number of double sheathed (DS), single sheathed (SS) and steel sheathed cars for the seven different ORERs. The category "Other" includes the ATSF panel cars, the GN plywood cars, and a few aluminum cars. "Conflict" means that some sources have identified the cars as having one type of sheathing, while others have pegged them as something else. (In some cases, the series apparently does consist of cars with disparate sheathing.) The data are for U.S. railroads only – notably the CP and CN are excluded. Privately owned cars are also ignored.

Number of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 804,023; 601,559; 314,289; 201,065; 173,780; 84,534; 66,111
SS: 140,701; 250,565; 227,769; 213,480; 210,667; 174,306; 162,957
Steel: 50,854; 126,745; 205,103; 318,803; 353,406; 469,445; 478,502
Other: 4,498; 5,969; 6,922; 6,409; 5,915; 5,571; 4,782
Conflict: 3,542; 3,546; 3,599; 2,714; 2,334; 1,956; 1,701
Unknown: 79,277; 36,826; 6,398; 3,385; 2,221; 781; 511
Total: 1,082,895; 1,025,210; 764,080; 745,856; 748,323; 736,593; 714,564

Percentage of cars, by sheathing type for various years
ORER: Jan-25; Feb-32; Jan-38; Apr-42; Jan-45; Apr-49; Jul-50
DS: 74.2%; 58.7%; 41.1%; 27.0%; 23.2%; 11.5%; 9.3%
SS: 13.0%; 24.4%; 29.8%; 28.6%; 28.2%; 23.7%; 22.8%
Steel: 4.7%; 12.4%; 26.8%; 42.7%; 47.2%; 63.7%; 67.0%
Other: 0.4%; 0.6%; 0.9%; 0.9%; 0.8%; 0.8%; 0.7%
Conflict: 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.5%; 0.4%; 0.3%; 0.3%; 0.2%
Unknown: 7.3%; 3.6%; 0.8%; 0.5%; 0.3%; 0.1%; 0.1%
Total: 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%; 100.0%

The percentage of cars of Unknown sheathing type is quite small for the five most recent ORERs, but is over 7% for 1925. Here are the series that have proven most elusive to me in trying to determine the sheathing (these are from the 1925 ORER):

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1925
C&O, XM, Box, 3900-6425, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 2390
CRI, XM, Box, 1200-2271, 34'4", 7'3", 5'0", 80000, 1033
GN, XA, Box, 36000-37999, 39'8.5", 10'0", 10'5.5", 80000, 1906
GN, XM, Box, 205274-208452, 36'0", 7'1", 5'4", 60000, 2849
M-K-T, XM, Box, 80000-91175, 36'0", 8'0", 6'1", 60000, 7604
M-K-T, XM, Box, 92000-94889, 33'11.25", 7'0", 5'0", 60000, 1292
NYC, XM, Box, 900250-901749, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 1107
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 151223-152457, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 1206
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 254700-256108, 36'0.5", 8'1", 6'0", 60000, 1388
T&P, XM, Box, 32448-34195, 33'10.5", 6'11.5", 5'6", 60000, 1293
T&P, XM, Box, 40100-43008, 36'0", 8'4", 6'0", 80000, 2830

If any of you can identify the sheathing type and year built I would very much appreciate having that information.

Thank you and best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Cocoa Beach 2010 - Dave Ramos

MDelvec952
 

Is Dave Ramos on this list, or does anyone know his e-mail address?

Many thanks ....Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Denis Riley <twc3522326329@earthlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 1:20 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cocoa Beach 2010




2 other outstanding presentations were:

Jim Langston - Prototype Passenger Operations for Large and Small Pikes - Great photos
A lot of information about running passenger service on mid-sized layouts. I will be expanding passenger switching on my milk run. A warning for the Thursday ops group.
It also sounds like the Citrus club will be incorporating some of Jim's ideas as we rebuild our layout

David Ramos - Design of the New York Harbor Railroad: Car Float Operations in 1947
Not a topic of board interest, but from my view point one of the most complete discussions. The amount of detail both in research and the model grade "A" plus

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Re: Waukesha Diesel-Icer

Bill Welch
 

In my research into FGE, I have accumulated ads, photos and other resources regarding FGE experimentation with the Waukesha system. Part of the problem was they had so much stuff hanging on the underside which made the system vulnerable to mishaps that the other systems were not so vulnerable too.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Roe" <wabashrr@...> wrote:

Tony,

Thanks. I felt like it must not have gone over very well.

However, I cannot find the pictures you speak of in the PFE book. I did
find a couple small photos of Preco "Cargotemp" equipment on page 178; but
nothing on the Waukesha equipment. Could you point me in the right
direction?

gary roe
quincy, illinois



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Waukesha Diesel-Icer




Gary Roe wrote:
The March 28, 1955 issue of Railway Age has an article in it about a
new development by the Waukesha Motor Company. Basically, it is a
retro fit for an ice-bunker reefer to turn it into a mechanical
reefer without having to
perform structural modifications.

Was this system ever used much, or was it experimental only? I
can't say I've ever seen any other photos of cars so equipped.
Both PFE and FGE tried this conversion (there are photos in the
PFE book), and I think others such as MDT tried it out also, but AFAIK
everyone determined that the small, older ice cars, with narrow doors,
were not going to be as acceptable to shippers as the big new
mechanical cars, thus the conversions were not worth the cost.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: Waukesha Diesel-Icer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gary Roe wrote:
However, I cannot find the pictures you speak of in the PFE book. I did find a couple small photos of Preco "Cargotemp" equipment on page 178; but nothing on the Waukesha equipment. Could you point me in the right
direction?
Gary, PFE ice car conversions are discussed on pages 208, 211 and 212 of the book. PFE did not try the Waukesha hardware. They did try units from Trane, Carrier, Transi-cold and Thermo-King. There is a photo of one of the experimental cars on page 211.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Waukesha Diesel-Icer

Gary Roe
 

Tony,

Thanks. I felt like it must not have gone over very well.

However, I cannot find the pictures you speak of in the PFE book. I did
find a couple small photos of Preco "Cargotemp" equipment on page 178; but
nothing on the Waukesha equipment. Could you point me in the right
direction?

gary roe
quincy, illinois



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Waukesha Diesel-Icer




Gary Roe wrote:
The March 28, 1955 issue of Railway Age has an article in it about a
new development by the Waukesha Motor Company. Basically, it is a
retro fit for an ice-bunker reefer to turn it into a mechanical
reefer without having to
perform structural modifications.

Was this system ever used much, or was it experimental only? I
can't say I've ever seen any other photos of cars so equipped.
Both PFE and FGE tried this conversion (there are photos in the
PFE book), and I think others such as MDT tried it out also, but AFAIK
everyone determined that the small, older ice cars, with narrow doors,
were not going to be as acceptable to shippers as the big new
mechanical cars, thus the conversions were not worth the cost.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Cocoa Beach 2010

Denis Riley <twc3522326329@...>
 

2 other outstanding presentations were:

Jim Langston - Prototype Passenger Operations for Large and Small Pikes - Great photos
A lot of information about running passenger service on mid-sized layouts. I will be expanding passenger switching on my milk run. A warning for the Thursday ops group.
It also sounds like the Citrus club will be incorporating some of Jim's ideas as we rebuild our layout


David Ramos - Design of the New York Harbor Railroad: Car Float Operations in 1947
Not a topic of board interest, but from my view point one of the most complete discussions. The amount of detail both in research and the model grade "A" plus


DL&W Boxcar - Door

Timothy Costello
 

At 05:47 AM 1/13/2010, you wrote:
Thanks for the interest. STMFCers may be interested to know that the specific combination of ends,
sides, roof and doors has not been previously offered by Intermountain. The ELHS approached IM with
the project, which combines those parts from other IM products, except for the door, which is an
aftermarket part produced by someone else - I regret that I don't recall who that is/was.

SGL
The supplier of this door is Dan Hall and his firm, Southwest Scale Productions of Fort Smith Arkansas. Dan makes a number of Youngstown and Superior doors in the 6', 7' and 8' widths. I learned about Dan's products at Des Plaines Hobbies.

Tim Costello
ELHS


DL&W Boxcar Paint and praise

MDelvec952
 

----------------------------
Having bought one of the 1950-built cars, I can testify that
it's a really nice product. The prototype was Magor-built if I recall,
thus the need for all the "mixed" parts. I'd say "good job, ELHS."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history
-----------------------------------


I gotta say that the above really warms the heart of this Lackawanna lover since we all know that Tony can be as critical as he is knowledgeable. I respect those qualities. The ELHS could use Tony's quote as a pop-out in an ad. On behalf of everyone involved in this project, including Schuyler, I say thanks, Tony. This was a committee effort; Schuyler can run down the names and forward the praise.

The car is a good offering and something in which even I take some pride (I can be critical, too). It wasn't an easy project as there were some issues along the way on both sides of the check-writing. I joined the project late, and shared the lessons learned from the efforts of other groups. There are plenty of options for superdetail, but for out of the box the details are correct.

As for the color, I don't know what paint IM used though I did ask along the way and I may have forgotten. When the first samples arrived, the IM color in sunlight was so very close to the actual colors -- always stick to standard mixes if possible. In flourescent light the difference was all but unoticeable. Critical to the look of these cars is the opaque white lettering, which the models have. The artwork and typefaces on these cars were unique. The original color was Glidden No.204 standard brown that had a maroon-ish quality in certain types of light. The IM color has the right look, and I suggested that future ELHS projects with IM use that same paint. Since these cars used a combination of ends, sides, roof and doors that that appeared only on a 250-car class, I'm hoping the ELHS later works with IM to produce the standard 1937 car that represents a class of cars numbering more than 1500. The newer 1955 Billboard paint scheme was applied to just a few of the ELHS cars, and the numbers chosen for the models were chosen from the very few photos of cars so painted in service. Interestingly, these later 1950s repaints were not done at DL&W's own Keyser Valley Shops, but by carbuilders Magor or ACF, scalemarks C for Clifton or B or Berwick, respectively. There were subtle variations in the billboard placement and artwork that varied between home-shop and factory repaints, era and boxcar class, and these cars have it correct on both models. These are the first truly accurate renditions of this billboard on a model.

Nice kit. Now, does anyone know how to get the numbers off of these cars without damaging the finish? The lettering is so opaque that I'm afraid to try.

Mike Del Vecchio
Lackawanna-land, NJ


Re: GARX 61916 and 67378 Lessees

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
At that time, the only GARX cars which carried stenciling for shippers would have been RSM cars in assigned service on a long term lease basis to meat packers. Those cars would certainly not have been used for pear loading. I think you can safely assume that the cars in question carried only reporting marks, numbers, and data.
Richard is certainly right that produce cars and meat cars were not interchangeable, as they were differently equipped and there were cleaning issues with meat cars in other service. But do we know for sure that in 1947 the GARX fleet of RS cars was no longer leased to any railroads?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Chalk Marks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:43 PM, jerryglow@comcast.net wrote:

Clover House makes them in black or white. I scan them (any) at
high resolution and print out to use as examples when doing my own.
Photoshop will let you "reverse" black and white so no problem.
I will add that the Clover House dry transfers of chalk markings were
all copied from photos in my collection, so they are absolutely
authentic.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Armour Reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Al and Patricia Westerfield wrote:

Photos of the Armour cars are rare. There are two extant and
Clover House makes dry transfers for both. Unfortunately, all my
books are stored in giant piles pending a whole house re-carpeting
but I think one is pictured either in The Great Yellow Fleet or
Richard's billboard reefer book. One Armour car was the Kansas
City Beef Line the other, as I recall, the Armour Car Line.

The Armour Line was broken up by the anti-trust act, many cars
going to FGE. Armour retained its meat reefers only. Richard can
probably fill in more info.
A photo of ARL 3891, an Arnold Patent car built ca. 1890 an assigned
to the Kansas City Dressed Beef Line, is on p. 20 of the billboard
reefer book. The best source for the details on the breakup of
Armour and the sale of many of its cars to Fruit Growers Express is
Bill Welch, who may wish to chime in now that he is back home from
Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach.

Richard Hendrickson

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