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Photo: National Soap Company Tank Car LBRX 201

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: National Soap Company Tank Car LBRX 201

A 1948 photo from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Collections:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32607/rec/680

Body sheets are single riveted.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Boiler Loads

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Boiler Loads

A 1948 photo from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Collections:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15644/rec/1807

Description: "Two flatcars with boilers, Birchfield Boiler. Giant boilers wait on flatcars for shipment to Southern California. The largest will be installed in the new building of the General Petroleum Corp. of Los Angeles. The Birchfield Boiler facilities can be seen in the background. The plant was also completing an order for 25 large pressure tanks complete with copper heating coils for the US Army in addition to approximately 400 tank heaters for the army."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Rapido diesel accuracy was RE: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I have to say that Rapido’s ERIE FA2s are very well detailed (with one minor exception).  That’s at least in part because I saw Bill Schneider at the Springfield (MA) train show while Rapido was still in the project development mode.  He was expecting to see me, and was quick to show me the hand painted ERIE shell he’s just finished the night before – there was still plenty of paint odor present.

 

I looked it over and said it looked fairly good except for the five errors I could see in about two minutes.  Bill was a bit crestfallen, but I told him I’d assemble a group of friends who could provide him the definitive answers to getting the paint and detailing correct.  I emailed three friends and between us we corrected the yellow paint configuration on the roof, the location of the horns, the proper placement of the firecracker antenna as well as some minor details about the wings either side of the nose.  That all took probably 30 emails and attached photos over the course of a week.  Bill and Rapido were very appreciative of the information and the finished units are excellent . . . inexplicably, there are two antennae on the roof.  An easy fix, simply pull the incorrect one out.

 

(I have wondered if I looked long enough at enough photos I’ve not encountered thus far, I >might< find another FA2 with an antenna in the other location . . . but I kind of doubt that.)

 

My point is that if the SP&S FA2s are inaccurate, it is at least in part because those modelers who wanted them did not take the initiative to get in touch with Rapido and help them to get them right.

 

But no FB2’s in the mail today . . . 

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 11:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

 

Randy,

Rapido does indeed release some road specific details for their locomotives.  Unfortunately, many of the details are incorrect.  The current SP&S FA-2 has at least 9 points of failure on that matter.

Athearn has been pretty good about accurate detailing, lately.  I bought a BNSF diesel that was properly detailed for an era a few years ahead of the one I wanted.  I will now modify it to the era of my choice.  And.  It was remarkably affordable.

These new models, while generic and consequently somewhat overpriced, will still be welcome.  


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: PGE wreck video (Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box)

Bob Thompson
 

There’s a book on PGE wrecks called “In the Ditch.” A fascinating read. Find it on Amazon.

Bob Thompson


Re: Tamiya primer (was [RealSTMFC] Painting brass)

steve_wintner
 

Gents, this is all very useful and well timed for my use. I always like a light grey, dead flat primer to be able to really see the surface and make sure it's clean, putty is smoothly sanded, etc. 

I have a hybrid, brass n styrene project. Sounds like Tamiya would be a good choice. I have not found any of the Fine primer in bottles for airbrushing, only the regular "liquid surface primer", so I guess I'll try the spray can. If anyone knows of airbrushable Tamiya fine primer, let me know.

(I'll grit blast with baking soda first, to get a nice clean surface)

Steve


Re: boxcar roof mystery

Ed Hawkins
 



On Apr 12, 2020, at 11:23 PM, Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:

I'm starting to work on a model of a specific Ann Arbor RR boxcar.  Fifty cars that were originally built by the Wabash RR circa 1948-1950 were transferred to the AA in 1955 becoming AA 250-299.  Built as WAB 88700-89599 these were 40-foot boxcars with 6-foot doors.  The question of what type of roof to use has arisen.  I have a copy of the page for these cars from the Ann Arbor RR equipment book (a drawing revised Dec. 1964).  It specifies "Std Ry Equipment Co (7R-12712)" for the roof.  Does anybody know if this is a "diagonal panel" or "rectangular panel" roof?

Craig,
The 50 cars reassigned AA 250-299 ca. 2-55 were the former WAB 89550-89599, built ca. 1-50 having diagonal panel roofs. These were the last 50 cars of original series WAB 89300-89599, which also came with the 1948-1954 version r+3-4 Improved Dreadnaught ends. 

Not part of your question but related to the original 300 cars WAB 89300-89599 were 17 cars re# in 11/50 as part of new series 9225-9299 & 8 cars re# in 11-12/50 as part of new series 9363-9436 when equipped with DF Loaders.

The other 500 cars WAB 88700-89299 in the series you mentioned were from an earlier order built starting in 3-48 having 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught ends & Murphy rectangular panel roofs. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Smith wrote:

I feel for the loggers. There is a sustainable lumber industry. It helps fund education in Washington State. Need to help those families, but there is no way to support modern mechanized lumbering. 

      Just like coal mining, lumbering today is extremely mechanized. Both harvesting and the lumber mills themselves only need to employ very few people today. The idea to "bring back" lumbering or coal mining jobs is just a fantasy.
        It can be fun to model lumbering in, say, the 1920s. Just don't think it has anything remotely to do with today -- except that trees are cut down.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Poultry Car

Tony Thompson
 

Ray Breyer wrote:

I think that the change from C to X did happen right around 1926; I have photos of LPTC cars as late as 1925, and LPTX cars as early as 1928.

   Ray, I didn't mean to appear to contradict what you said about LPTC. I just didn't want readers to think that ALL changes into "X" reporting marks happened in 1926.

Tony Thompson




Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Mine were allegedly shipped March 30 to 1 April, and have yet to appear in Newton MA.  That’s 12-14 days by Canadian mail and USPS..  Hoping for them today.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

 

Rapido told me that the B units will be here in May. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Poultry Car

Bob Webber
 

In theory at least, the information may possibly be found at the PA State Archives in Harrisburg, for the Standard Steel built cars, and the H&B cars *may* have information somewhere in the Pullman Library's files - though I haven't located yet.  Much of the freight car data for H&B, aside from the drawings themselves is MIA.  Same, as with many institutions. But we do have drawings and photos, that's more than nothing. 


At 12:21 PM 4/13/2020, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Doug  Harding commented:

"That is the only known photo of the car Egg. Unfortunately we cannot make out the car number. It is a Live Poultry car, ie LPTC reporting marks. Most Live Poultry cars were named, but not all. They were named for people, places, or different kinds of fowl, or fowl related words, ie  Egg. By the late 20s there were over 2800 poultry cars on the nations railroads.

I have compiled a list of poultry cars, their numbers and their names, based on photos. Photos are the only record we have of these cars. The list has less than a 100 cars. There is no known list contain such information or records of the Live Poultry Transit Corporation or of the Palace Poultry Car Company. Eventually both companies were owned by North American Car Co."

Bob Webber


Re: Tamiya primer (was [RealSTMFC] Painting brass)

Ken Adams
 

I have been using the Tamiya light grey primer multiple on my current SP O-50-13 project to check detail removal from original shells and the fit of new domes and hand rails. The grey highlights any areas that need attention. 

I have used the Tamiya red oxide primer on several box car projects both as an undercoat and as a final coat with a brushed on Vallejo Model Color Cavalry brown wash to come very close to the SP "Metallic" color.
--
Ken Adams


Re: Photo: Poultry Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Doug  Harding commented:

"That is the only known photo of the car “Egg”. Unfortunately we cannot make out the car number. It is a Live Poultry car, ie LPTC reporting marks. Most Live Poultry cars were named, but not all. They were named for people, places, or different kinds of fowl, or fowl related words, ie  Egg. By the late 20’s there were over 2800 poultry cars on the nation’s railroads.

I have compiled a list of poultry cars, their numbers and their names, based on photos. Photos are the only record we have of these cars. The list has less than a 100 cars. There is no known list contain such information or records of the Live Poultry Transit Corporation or of the Palace Poultry Car Company. Eventually both companies were owned by North American Car Co."


Re: Riding the Rods Part 2 GN 9996

Douglas Harding
 

Bill did you change the lighting you shoot under? The photos look to have a purple cast to the body color. Does not look like the ModelFlex Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red that I have used.

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Riding the Rods Part 2 GN 9996

 

Here is a Great Northern truss rod boxcar inspired by a circa 1954 photo by the late Bruce Meyer built w/a Westerfield kit I ordered when Al announced he was retiring and selling his business. i ordered several kits "just in case" he did not find a buyer—Thank you Andrew Dahm! Pretty much out-of-the-box except for the scratch built Running Board system, and the brass wire and brass turnbuckles for the underframe. Decals are from the kit plus the GN medallion from a Microscale set as I wanted to exactly copy the reference photo I used. The only variance is the GN reweigh location because I could not find the "Q" I needed. Obviously need to install the brake wheel. Painted w/Badger's "Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red."

Bill Welch


Re: Riding the Rods Part 2 GN 9996

Paul Doggett
 

Bill 

Excellent as always 
Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 13 Apr 2020, at 17:54, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Here is a Great Northern truss rod boxcar inspired by a circa 1954 photo by the late Bruce Meyer built w/a Westerfield kit I ordered when Al announced he was retiring and selling his business. i ordered several kits "just in case" he did not find a buyer—Thank you Andrew Dahm! Pretty much out-of-the-box except for the scratch built Running Board system, and the brass wire and brass turnbuckles for the underframe. Decals are from the kit plus the GN medallion from a Microscale set as I wanted to exactly copy the reference photo I used. The only variance is the GN reweigh location because I could not find the "Q" I needed. Obviously need to install the brake wheel. Painted w/Badger's "Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red."

Bill Welch

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Riding the Rods Part 2 GN 9996

Bill Welch
 

Here is a Great Northern truss rod boxcar inspired by a circa 1954 photo by the late Bruce Meyer built w/a Westerfield kit I ordered when Al announced he was retiring and selling his business. i ordered several kits "just in case" he did not find a buyer—Thank you Andrew Dahm! Pretty much out-of-the-box except for the scratch built Running Board system, and the brass wire and brass turnbuckles for the underframe. Decals are from the kit plus the GN medallion from a Microscale set as I wanted to exactly copy the reference photo I used. The only variance is the GN reweigh location because I could not find the "Q" I needed. Obviously need to install the brake wheel. Painted w/Badger's "Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red."

Bill Welch


Re: Tamiya primer (was [RealSTMFC] Painting brass)

Pete C
 

Folks,
Since we are talking about primers I want to mention the product that Badger makes, it’s called Stynylrez.
The primer comes in three colors, black, white and gray. It goes on very smoothly with brush or airbrush and is very fine and self leveling. There is also a line of Stynylrez paints in many colors.
I was looking for a product that will adhere to brass(metal) and plastics. When kit bashing or adding details to rolling stock or motive power there is inevitably going to be a mix of media used in the different manufacturers products. In testing, nothing I tried adhered as well as Stynylrez. Frankly I was skeptical when I was researching and found this stuff, but I was amazed at how well it worked.
I tried several of the Mr... products and two of Tamiya’s primers, and while they worked they were easy to scratch. Stynylrez has excellent scratch resistance and is very durable.
Sorry if this sounds like an “infomercial” but I no ties to the manufacture, just a really satisfied customer.
Pete Cesaro

On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Craig Zeni <clzeni@gmail.com> wrote:


On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:01 AM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

6a. Re: Tamiya primer (was [RealSTMFC] Painting brass)
From: Denny Anspach <danspachmd@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 01:26:29 EDT

I have gone back to always using a light colored primer (gray or white) on brass simply because I have found -convincingly so- that the utterly flat finish offers an opportunity to see clearly, iron out, sand out, and eliminate blemishes that are so often impossible to perceive until you see them on the terminal finish coat. I do the same on resin, styrene and wood. Like others reporting this change back has been eased by Tamiya after studying the raving reports of its use coming from the military and car modelers. If it interferes with detail, it is detail that -thankfully- I do not perceive.

Bill Welch, this is all your fault. You're the one that made me start considering paints besides Scalecoat... *shakes fist*

I have to say that my experience well mirrors Dr Denny's, this after not being a primer user for years. I just didn't use it. But when I started working on F units a couple of years ago with plugging horn holes and working on smoothing the parting lines found on the nose and sides of the nose, I decided to try a primer. I'd heard a LOT of good things about the Gunze product Mr Hobby "Mr Surfacer 1500". Sprayed with their "Mr Color" thinner, it is wonderful stuff. Goes down dead smooth, cleanly and easily. And it will show the results of filling holes and such. If I didn't get the hole filled perfectly, it will show. The Mr Hobby "Mr White Putty" is so superior to any of the regular hobby putties it's not even funny. Super fine grain, easy to sand, and reportedly not prone to shrinkage. I then have been painted with, yes, some of the Mr Hobby paints and their thinner "Mr Self Leveling Thinner"...and the paint is also wonderful to spray. The thinner works wonder, makes it all very forgiving. I've also been told that the Mr Self Leveling Thinner works well with the Tru Color paint; I've not tried it myself.

There's actually not a "Mr ____" product that I've tried that I didn't like. Their Mr Dissolved Putty is a styrene filler, not a putty - think of the old trick of dissolving sprue in Testors liquid cement and using it as filler...same thing. The coarser "Mr Surfacer" product (500 and 1000) are also light filler/sandable primers.

I've also had great results with Tamiya paints, MIG paints, and the Vallejo line tho' the latter primarily as weathering. There some great products used by other modelers in other realms. Hasegawa offers some chisel tools - if you heard my clinic at Cocoa Beach you heard me just rave about those...

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Douglas Harding
 

Ed, it is possible the fascia boards were added to reinforce the tops of the siding boards. Vibrations tend to pop nails. Could it be that while the bottom of siding boards popped loose because of water damage and rot, that at the same time the top of the boards popped nails because of car movement and vibration?

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:39 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

 

Bill,

Your statement about having to widen the model's roof to accept a fascia implies, to me, that that had to have been true for the prototype.  If so, it would seem to mean that the fascias were ONLY applied when new (wider) roofs were, also.

Or.  One could ask:  "Whatever would prompt someone to add a strip of wood at the top of a box car side?"


Ed

Edward Sutorik



On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:43 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 08:36 PM, spsalso wrote:

I am not very knowledgeable about the variations on these cars.  I do think that for the price, Rapido should do the "easy-peasy" mods.  The fascia strip appears to be such a thing. 
Edward Sutorik

 To apply the facia, the roof needs to be widened to lap over it. Not sure how easy that will be w/the Rapido model. Easy to do w/the Westerfield kit.

Bill Welch


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

spsalso
 

Regarding the film of the PGE wreck:

First:  what fantastic quality--color looks near perfect, and picture quality is great

There are two GN cars in the film:  24804 (the one the crane was trying to right) and what could be 2XXX2.

Note that the wreck was being worked from both ends.  Early on, you can see a steam loco with a car equipped with a BIG winch.  They're working the CP car.

For the crane, I don't necessarily think the crane was too small for the job.  It did tip, after all, not "break".  I suspect the crane wasn't blocked adequately.  The ground looked pretty wet.  And squishy.  It appears the car might have been loaded.  There appears to be white material around the car door.  They COULD have emptied the car to make it lighter.  That would have taken a good bit of time, of course.  Judgement call.

The loaded car would have weighed about 120,000 pounds.  60 tons.  They had placed blocking under the car's drawbar, at the end farthest from the crane.  They would then appear to have been planning to lift the near end (to the crane) and swing it towards the track.  The lift would have been about 30 tons.  What's got me puzzled is that there's a cable that attaches to the blocked-up drawbar, travels up the end of the car and over to the crane boom.  I just don't get that.  NOT the crane operator's proudest moment!

Note also that the crane was righted using block and tackle.  Since I don't see a cable going over to the equipment behind the tipped crane, I do wonder if the winch at the other end of the wreck is supplying power.  Or perhaps they had a boat that could pull the cable.  It surely wasn't the four guys who had been pumping the hydraulic jack.


Ed

Edward Sutorik




On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:53 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Claus,
 
Correct. Indeed, I see no footage of the GN car being righted, but that wimpy little derrick was clearly not up to the task of lifting the car and remaining upright. It also looks like they may have been dealing with 2 different GN cars, or that they dragged the GN car clear of the cut and then rolled the derrick trying to get it back onto the rails.
 
Note that the PGE and its successor, BCRail, always had serious avalanche/rock fall problems on many of their lines.
 
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
 
Hi List Members,
 
Colin wrote: “A video from the Pacific Great Eastern of a GN USRA being righted after a wreck.  From the mid-fifties.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdtnVk2M3YU&t=2s
 
Thanks Colin for the video link, it was fascinating to watch some of the process involved in fixing things up when a mess like that occurs.
 
It looked to me like at some point the wreck crane itself tipped over, and they had to right it again, am I interpreting this correctly?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
From: Kemal Mumcu via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
 
One thing about these Rapido cars that could be corrected is the incorrect ride height.  They ride high on the trucks.  This was the same problem with the NP cars.  I had to make a jig and sand down the excess bolster material to bring down the car to ride at the right height. 

A possible solution:  Make the cars with the correct bolster ride height and add a fitted washer to deliver the cars.  The toy train types will be happy and more discerning modelers can remove the washer to bring down the car to the right height. 

Colin Meikle

A video from the Pacific Great Eastern of a GN USRA being righted after a wreck.  From the mid-fifties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdtnVk2M3YU&t=2s


Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

erieblt2
 

Logging continues, sometimes illegally. For example, stolen logs caused a landslide that destroyed a bridge on the former Milwaukee Main line (now a wonderful trail-with now a gap). I feel for the loggers. There is a sustainable lumber industry. It helps fund education in Washington State. Need to help those families, but there is no way to support modern mechanized lumbering. Trees can’t grow that fast. The old lumber railroads are fantastic. Be safe All Bill S.


On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:50 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Someone may have corrected you already Tony.

This is my daughter in 2011 in front of a 300+ foot tall Sitka Spruce, not very far from Forks, WA.


On 4/12/2020 2:19 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:


They look like Lodgepole pine logs. The Lodgepole grows like a weed in the northwestern
states and forms dense stands. It's not a Douglas Fir or one of the mighty Spruce trees
from the Olympic Peninsula (that grew well over 300 feet tall) or even Ponderosa pine,
but not all lumber needs to be high quality. :-)

      Tim has (probably unintentionally) garbled his statement a little. The 300-ft. trees on the Olympic Peninsula are Douglas fir, not spruce (for record spruce trees, visit Vancouver Island). Lodgepoles 100 feet tall would be a VERY tall tree of that species. As I said, this doesn't CONTRADICT what Tim said, hopefully clarifies it.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<Katy largest SitkaSpruce in the HohValley OlympicNatlPark 08-16-2011.jpg>


Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

Is the odor because of the sulfuric acid used in the production of kraft (brown) paper?
Or from some other chemicals, perhaps?

Tim O'Connor

On 4/12/2020 7:04 PM, espee4441 wrote:
Most likely for paper and pulp as you mention. The "Aroma of Tacoma" mainly is no longer evident due to the major cessation of the mills.

Port Townsend on the Olympic Peninsula has one too and they're on the last days of doing business if not outright closed. These mills always carry the distinctive smell and PT still has it. The MILW ran into and by this operation on its way to Port Angeles. As for logging the peninsula certain sections like the Duckabush must have been exceedingly challenging. I mtn bike the old roads and hillsides are incredibly steep.

Tony Pawley
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

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