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Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Eric Hansmann
 

Here’s the Tahoe website for reference.

http://resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

 

For those who may haved missed it, Brian Leppert's Tahoe Model Works has a Barber S2 ride control 50-ton truck which is as close to perfect for the Milwaukee rib sided class of boxcars that will ever exist. He even tooled the truck for the uncommon for the period, but correct for the MILW, the truck spring planks. Substituting Tahoe's trucks for the kit's trucks would be my 1st improvement.

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

 

 
Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Andy Carlson
 

For those who may haved missed it, Brian Leppert's Tahoe Model Works has a Barber S2 ride control 50-ton truck which is as close to perfect for the Milwaukee rib sided class of boxcars that will ever exist. He even tooled the truck for the uncommon for the period, but correct for the MILW, the truck spring planks. Substituting Tahoe's trucks for the kit's trucks would be my 1st improvement.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



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Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Clark Propst
 

Glad to hear the rumors of the tooling's demise was exaggerated  ;   ))
CW Propst
Re: N&W Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim,

Ah!, Wabash. Thank you very much. So it is a true AC&F. 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:45 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

WABASH series 90000 to 90549 were welded box cars with 8 foot doors built by ACF in 1960.
The N&W lettered cars simply had a "3" prefix applied to the car number. And some cars were
never renumbered, evidently.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/27/2020 4:56 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

The attached photos are of an N&W MoW boxcar I photographed in the 1990s at Elkton, Virginia. As the detail photo shows, this car was "built" in 1960, so it fits within our period of interest. I have no data on these cars (my ORER is October 1958), and would appreciate any information the group can supply. 

The car appears to have a 7' door, certainly welded sides, and what appears to be a "banana-taper" late improved Dreadnaught end. It does not appear in Ed Hawkins' article on similar AC&F cars in the July 1999 RMJ. It am wondering if it was home-built or even a major rebuild, as the N&W had just done to their round roof boxcars.

I was initially attracted to the car by the Henesy "Side-well" device (which is not within our period), as at the time I was writing an article on these accessories. Mr. Henesy and I had a telephone conversation about his invention. He mentioned that the N&W applied these to some of their MoW boxcars because staff cuts meant that some MoW staging locations only had a single employee, so if the door stuck he could have hard a hard time opening the door. This Slide-well is actually broken. The wheel and gear box should be attached to the right edge of the door. Mr. Henesy said that roughg use (slamming the unit against its right-side stop) often resulted in stripped gears, which may be the case here. Later units had clutch of some sort in the gearbox that prevented this damage. As an aside, I sold the article to MR, but they never published same.
Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:32 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
WB looks too long as well. 
Yeah, the boxcar underframe isn't modified, so still has the 5'-6" kingpin to striker dimension. When you look at the car, the wheel has more or less the same relationship to the car end as the old PRR X29s with their 5'-0" kingpin to striker, which would indicate the passenger truck wheelbase can't be longer than 6'-6". The Tichy trucks claim 6'-0", which may be a bit short. I wonder if these cars had 36" wheels?

In the photo the trucks appear to have separate bolt on pedestals, so the Tichy truck is correct for that feature, but even in the enhanced photo I can't really see the shape of the top of the frame.

Dennis Storzek
Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:46 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

There must be a good reason for this...so what is the reason?

Bob Chaparro

That big plug door has to go somewhere when it's open. Just below the right end of the lower grab you'll find the door stop.

Dennis Storzek
Re: Grab Irons Extensions

mel perry
 

step looks shorter and closer to the end
of the side sill, thus putiing the hand grap
in a differen position than normal, why
the different position of the step?
mel perry

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 10:46 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Grab Irons Extensions

This boxcar appears to have extension mounts for the grab irons:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8253849334/in/album-72157632195829152/

And a few more:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8252776823/in/album-72157632195829152/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8252777001/in/album-72157632195829152/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8253849866/in/album-72157632195829152/

There must be a good reason for this...so what is the reason?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Todd Sullivan
 

Because the left-opening door would contact (smush) the grabs if they were mounted completely on the car side.

Todd Sullivan.
Re: Grab Irons Extensions

mel perry
 

same series of cars
mel perry


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 10:46 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Grab Irons Extensions

This boxcar appears to have extension mounts for the grab irons:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8253849334/in/album-72157632195829152/

And a few more:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8252776823/in/album-72157632195829152/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8252777001/in/album-72157632195829152/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8253849866/in/album-72157632195829152/

There must be a good reason for this...so what is the reason?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Grab Irons Extensions

Bob Chaparro
 

Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

WB looks too long as well. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



The TICHY is a little too old, and the ATHEARN (attached) a little too modern?

Tim O'Connor



On 2/26/2020 1:58 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 09:27 AM, Joseph wrote:
Any thoughts on the trucks under this guy in HO scale?
I can't tell what the top of the side frame looks like from the photo (too much shadow) but Tichy make a short wheelbase drop equalized truck that would fit:

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/trucks/p/3060/Default.aspx

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<model ATHEARN commonwealth 8ft express truck.jpg>
Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Tim O'Connor
 


Wrong mini-kit. The one you want is the DSS&A box car with 10-6 5/5 S corner ends. :-)

I suggest using the ends as masters for making copies. Sunshine also made 10-6 4/5
S corner ends for the SP A-50-12 kit. Those are in my "to be copied" pile as well.

Tim O'Connor



On 2/27/2020 1:07 PM, Rich C via Groups.Io wrote:
Tim, I mentioned to Tim yesterday, that the ends were "W" corner not square and posted a link to Steam Era Freight Cars for the PDF on the modified height cars

Rich Christie

On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:35:27 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Tim - solution is the SUNSHINE mini-kit which included those ends.




On 2/26/2020 2:38 PM, killercarp via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> Once you solve the truck problem there’s also the 10’6” high 5/5
> square corner ends to vex a builder.
>
> Tim VanMersbergen


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Rich C
 

Tim, I mentioned to Tim yesterday, that the ends were "W" corner not square and posted a link to Steam Era Freight Cars for the PDF on the modified height cars

Rich Christie

On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:35:27 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Tim - solution is the SUNSHINE mini-kit which included those ends.




On 2/26/2020 2:38 PM, killercarp via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> Once you solve the truck problem there’s also the 10’6” high 5/5
> square corner ends to vex a builder.
>
> Tim VanMersbergen
>
>


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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*
Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List

Tim O'Connor
 

On 2/26/2020 1:10 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Wondering if anyone has a complete list of the kits with stock numbers offered several years ago by "Yankee Clipper?" I understand these were done for Bill Dulmaine by Steve Funaro but still interested in knowing the kits included originally under the Yankee Clipper label. Thank you.

Bill Welch

Bill this is all I have --

1923D     B&M XM-1 steel w/ reverse Creco door
BMO       B&M XM-1 reverse Creco door
BM1       B&M XM-1 ribbed roof, Youngstown door
BM1A      B&M XM-1 flat roof, Youngstown door
BMSC      B&M XM-1 stockcar rebuilt 1945
MTC1      Mystic Terminal XM-1
WAG1      WAG boxcar ribbed roof
WAG1A     WAG boxcar flat roof
1000      BAR boxcar Hutchins end/wood door
1100      BAR boxcar flat end/wood door
3000      BAR boxcar Hutchins end/steel door
3100      BAR boxcar flat end/steel door
xxxx      PRR GSh gondola
xxxx      MEC GS gondola
xxxx      MEC GS gondola rebuilt w/ side extensions
xxxx      B&M GS gondola
1929      CP mini-box
1930.80   C&O 8000-9499 Creco door
1930.82   Pere Marquette 82000-83499
1930.85   C&O 8000-9499 Youngstown door
1930.95   C&O 9500-9999 double door
1932.00   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof NYC
1932.10   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof PRR #36986
1932.20   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof SOO
1932.21   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof SOO
1932.30   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof C&O owned 3 cars
1932.40   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof MP
1932.50   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof MEC
1932.60   1932 ARA steel box 5/4E rect roof BAR
1932.70   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof UP #182500
1932.80   1932 ARA steel box Dreadnaught ends rect roof CRR
1932.90   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof CofG
1932.100  1932 ARA steel box 4/4E viking roof Norfolk Southern
1932.110  1932 ARA steel box radial roof NKP
1932.120  1932 ARA steel box Buck ends viking roof ERIE
1932.310  1932 ARA steel box radial roof C&O
1932.410  1932 ARA steel box Murphy ends/panel door CGW


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: N&W Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


WABASH series 90000 to 90549 were welded box cars with 8 foot doors built by ACF in 1960.
The N&W lettered cars simply had a "3" prefix applied to the car number. And some cars were
never renumbered, evidently.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/27/2020 4:56 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

The attached photos are of an N&W MoW boxcar I photographed in the 1990s at Elkton, Virginia. As the detail photo shows, this car was "built" in 1960, so it fits within our period of interest. I have no data on these cars (my ORER is October 1958), and would appreciate any information the group can supply. 

The car appears to have a 7' door, certainly welded sides, and what appears to be a "banana-taper" late improved Dreadnaught end. It does not appear in Ed Hawkins' article on similar AC&F cars in the July 1999 RMJ. It am wondering if it was home-built or even a major rebuild, as the N&W had just done to their round roof boxcars.

I was initially attracted to the car by the Henesy "Side-well" device (which is not within our period), as at the time I was writing an article on these accessories. Mr. Henesy and I had a telephone conversation about his invention. He mentioned that the N&W applied these to some of their MoW boxcars because staff cuts meant that some MoW staging locations only had a single employee, so if the door stuck he could have hard a hard time opening the door. This Slide-well is actually broken. The wheel and gear box should be attached to the right edge of the door. Mr. Henesy said that roughg use (slamming the unit against its right-side stop) often resulted in stripped gears, which may be the case here. Later units had clutch of some sort in the gearbox that prevented this damage. As an aside, I sold the article to MR, but they never published same.
Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: NP Mystery Car

boro2ang
 

The use of hog fuel in the earlier era was generally for fuel in the boilers of sawmills. 
Later, some was burned in Tee Pee burners along with shavings and sawdust, though shavings became useful for animal bedding.
Hog fuel was typically bark and sapwood fiber that was collected during the process of debarking logs as they entered the mills or further collected at the edger.
Most wood chips at a mill are from the pieces of the ends of the logs that are collected as they are bucked to length after debarking.
Today, most hog fuel is further refined for what we now know as beauty bark.

Bryan Borovec
Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim - solution is the SUNSHINE mini-kit which included those ends.

On 2/26/2020 2:38 PM, killercarp via Groups.Io wrote:

Once you solve the truck problem there’s also the 10’6” high 5/5 square corner ends to vex a builder.

Tim VanMersbergen

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*
Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Tim O'Connor
 


The TICHY is a little too old, and the ATHEARN (attached) a little too modern?

Tim O'Connor



On 2/26/2020 1:58 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 09:27 AM, Joseph wrote:
Any thoughts on the trucks under this guy in HO scale?
I can't tell what the top of the side frame looks like from the photo (too much shadow) but Tichy make a short wheelbase drop equalized truck that would fit:

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/trucks/p/3060/Default.aspx

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Dennis Storzek
 

Clark,
We do. They will come out as I get time to work on them, and those are really filler jobs between large projects.
Dennis Storzek
Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Ken Adams
 

Dennis 

Thank you very much for the information on the mold history for what sounds like a series of Milwaukee rib sided cars from Accurail.  I have absolutely no complaint about the molded on grabs and short cuts in the brake gear underframe for the price of the car.  Again, personally I am not planning to be any sort of expert on these cars so not delving too deep.  I am however hoping our super detail experts on this and other resin/plastic model building group forums to come up with reasonable methods to enhance these wonderful cars and turn them into model works of art. 

If I ever get my Port Costa layout built to the point the mainline is working these cars will be "background" freight cars passing through as loads or returning empty on the SP mainline between the Bay Area and points east.