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Re: GM&O and A&WP colors

Tim O'Connor
 


Ben, what is so funny about the PRR decals?



On 4/14/2020 7:04 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
George Courtney wrote:
"My curiosity on Georgia Gondola is also aroused.  I respect Bill Welch's research but noted that Tichy decals show a black gondola.  I presume the difference is either two different time periods or different paint colors for different classes of Georgia gondolas.  I''m wanting to do a black gondola and saw the Tichy decals as a possible choice."

If you're taking a Tichy lettering diagram as gospel, I know a Nigerian prince that needs some help handling cash.  Behold these howlers:


Ben Hom


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Re: GM&O and A&WP colors

Tim O'Connor
 


SUNSHINE had Farmall decals for their resin kit. I bought extras when LifeLike
did their tractors.



On 4/14/2020 11:29 AM, D. Scott Chatfield wrote:
My friend Joe Sullivan asked me the following:


1.  What color were GM&O flat cars in 1952 - 1954 time period?  The 42' 50T "USRA-ish" ones.

2.  I am assuming that A&WP flat cars and GA RR gondolas (specifically the ones rebuilt from flat cars) of that period were freight car brown (Langley Jr., Hanson & Silcox won't argue) .  Does anyone here dissent?  Does anyone dissent from assumption that the GA/A&WP freight car brown resembled the L&N color, except maybe a bit more LIGHT brownish that pure oxide red?

3. Does anyone know or a photo of one of the few CofGa 40' 1937 door-and-a-half boxcars with SUPERIOR doors?

4.  There's an online rumor of the existence of HO scale Farmall tractor decals.  Does such a thing actually exist??

Thanks

Scott Chatfield


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Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 08:46 PM, spsalso wrote:
And I ran my calcs again (twice), and got the same dimension (6 3/4').  In this case:  (20 x 3.3) / 9.5 = 6.9
Ed,
Don't let it get you down. I replicated your methodology and came up with a truck wheelbase slightly over 6-1/2 feet, and also really can't explain why.  Two things come to mind:

The journals and faces of the wheels aren't actually in the same plane as the car sides.

The car isn't square to the focal plane of the camera, as evidenced by the apparent angle of the car end

But I can't see how either of those would cause that much error. It remains a mystery.

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors

Mont Switzer
 

All Monon steel gondolas, built in the late 1940's,  were painted a freight car red color with white lettering EXCEPT a few 40 ft. gondolas which received black paint and yellow lettering about 1958.  Monon also painted a few boxcars and hopper cars this way before going back to freight car red with white lettering.

Outside the bounds of this list, In 1969 one hundred Monon steel gondolas were rebuilt off line in Washington, IN.  They came back painted black with white lettering----and no heralds.  These cars lasted up until about 1980 under L&N ownership.

Mont Switzer 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Gatwood, Elden J SAD [elden.j.gatwood@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 9:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors

To add to elsewhere:  B&O, P&LE and NYC from fifties, Lake Terminal, Union RR (of Pgh), McKeesport Connecting, DRGW, Monongahela Rwy, Montour, C&I, EJ&E

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors

 

Trying to not be defensive but IIRC my paint choice was based on AC&F Builder's info.

Black gons in the south: Southern, Virginian, N&W, ACL for sure

Elsewhere: Reading, MEC, Wabash, P&WV, off the top of my head.

Model On!
Bill Welch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

To add to elsewhere:  B&O, P&LE and NYC from fifties, Lake Terminal, Union RR (of Pgh), McKeesport Connecting, DRGW, Monongahela Rwy, Montour, C&I, EJ&E

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors

 

Trying to not be defensive but IIRC my paint choice was based on AC&F Builder's info.

Black gons in the south: Southern, Virginian, N&W, ACL for sure

Elsewhere: Reading, MEC, Wabash, P&WV, off the top of my head.

Model On!
Bill Welch


Speaking of decals

Scott H. Haycock
 

Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of this company's decals? I'm looking specifically at this set:   https://modernrails.com/products?keywords=georgia%2C+florida+%26+alabama .

Thanks

Scott Haycock


Re: GM&O and A&WP colors

BillM
 

I believe FEC hoppers and gons were black in steam era and into the 1970s.

Bill Michael

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: April 15, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors

 

Trying to not be defensive but IIRC my paint choice was based on AC&F Builder's info.

Black gons in the south: Southern, Virginian, N&W, ACL for sure

Elsewhere: Reading, MEC, Wabash, P&WV, off the top of my head.

Model On!
Bill Welch


Re: GM&O and A&WP colors

Bill Welch
 

Trying to not be defensive but IIRC my paint choice was based on AC&F Builder's info.

Black gons in the south: Southern, Virginian, N&W, ACL for sure

Elsewhere: Reading, MEC, Wabash, P&WV, off the top of my head.

Model On!
Bill Welch


The "Authoritative" Tichy Decal Line

Bill Welch
 

If you're taking a Tichy lettering diagram as gospel, I know a Nigerian prince that needs some help handling cash.  Behold these howlers:
 
Ben Hom
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This is same company that advises customers to use Elmer's White Glue for best adhesion with their larger decals. Hmm, sounds like some kind of sticker to me, not a decal.

Model On!
Bill Welch


Re: GM&O and A&WP colors

Benjamin Scanlon
 
Edited

The few pics I have of GA gons, look more like oxide brown or red, often with most of the paint fallen off, so they look black.  But they are out of era for this group. 

GA/WPR had a Yahoo group but don't think it ever transitioned to groups.io, but this topic was raised there IIRC. Unfortunately don't remember what the consensus was. 
 
Trouble with Georgia/West Point Route stock is it's oftimes hard to work out whether you are looking at a something painted oxide red with all the paint fallen off, or black but covered in rust or clay dust. 
 
They did have black hoppers tho. 
 
Ben Scanlon
London, England

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Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can

Scott
 

I have switched to Mr Hobby super clear flat.  It is by far the best of the rattle can flats I have used.  Doesn't get very frosty at all.  It looks like it goes on heavy but it really evaporates and shrinks back.  It does stink really bad and has to be sprayed outside.  Also you want to leave it in the garage or someplace for a while as it dries so you don't stink up the inside.

Ebay link to Mr Hobby Super Clear Flat.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

Richard Townsend
 

MR had plans and an article of scratchbuilding such a car way back, probably in the 60s.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Melhorn <toyman@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Apr 14, 2020 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

Hi Don,
Yes, Beaver Creek was the importer, Samhongsa was the builder and 1986 was the first year imported. Southern Pacific was the road, I have #6965 and I believe it is from the 1994 Run.
 
Joe Melhorn
Sahuarita, AZ
 


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

spsalso
 

Dennis,

I just did the same, twice; and I agree.  A very reasonable alternate method.

1.)  I decided the center of the car was halfway between the inner wheelsets.

2.)  I used the length of 40', as in the ORER.

And I ran my calcs again (twice), and got the same dimension (6 3/4').  In this case:  (20 x 3.3) / 9.5 = 6.9


Ah, well.  'Tis a puzzlement.

Thanks,


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can

John Monrad
 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM, Craig Zeni wrote:
I've been trying to get some of their paint, with very limited success. The paint seems to be sold in sets and i don't really need a variety of Luftwaffe or Japanese Naval colors... 
Spruebrothers carries Hataka individual Orange Line (lacquer) colors in 17ml bottles.

John Monrad


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:33 PM, spsalso wrote:
I agree that the wheelbase length I got is very strange.  If someone would care to examine the (American Smelting) photo and tell me where I went wrong, I'd surely like to hear.  I would prefer to be wrong, because it's the simplest solution.

It was a simple case of measuring the length of a known dimension (half of the IL) and measuring the wheelbase length in the photo, and doing a ratio.
I went about it a different way... I downloaded the high res TIF, blew the area up, and reasoning that at that distance the adjacent hopper car is essentially the same distance from the camera, simply used a caliper to compare the wheelbase to the T section Bettendorf trucks on the hopper. They are essentially the same. Possible explanation for your results: 1) what you thought was the center wasn't, or 2) the gon is 40 feet long rather than 46.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods

greg kennelly
 

The late Bill Hewlett was an avid modeller of the Pacific Great Eastern and a prolific photographer.  In the mid-1960s he became the first member of the Pacific Northwest Region of the NMRA to earn the Master Model Railroader designation (#18).  His collection of PGE photographs is the property of the 7th Division, PNR, NMRA (Canada) and the current Superintendent, John Martin, has given me permission to post the attached photo of Bill's, showing PGE X-152, a Lidgerwood skidder.  The photo was taken on Canada Day, July 1, 1958 at Squamish, BC.  If anyone would like a larger copy of this, contact me off-list please.  Hope the image comes through.

Cheers,
Greg Kennelly



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Re: Striker Castings

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:42 PM, George Eichelberger wrote:
The Google Drive link for SF-2217 (another big file!) is:
 
 
Ike
That looks better. Note on the partial end view the nuts show at the bottom left corner of the casting, along with a call out for the bolt, which I just can't quite read, but looks like 1-3/8" diameter.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

mel perry
 

there was also a construction article
in the 2/65 issue of MR, by gib kennedy
of the espee car
mel perry


Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

maynard stowe
 

Don,
Yes Beaver Creek brought in Southern Pacific Silk and Tea cars. Nicely  painted and lettered. I have one for sale never been out of the box.  If anyone is interested contact me off list at: ctsper1947@... 
Maynard Stowe

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

   Did not Beaver Creek or some small importer bring in a run of silk cars around 1987? Was not 
something like that on display at the NMRA National at Eugene,OR that August. Cannot recall
what prototype but seem to recall something like that, Perhaps So Pac?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: National Soap Company Tank Car LBRX 201

Bob Chaparro
 

Tim is correct. Message  #75971, 09/27/08.

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