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Re: Milk cars

Don Burn
 

Allen,

 

       The Intermountain cars are standard GPEX cars, not the “butterdish like” GPEX 803 and 804 see the picture on the top of the cover of https://www.riverraisinmodels.com/libraryData/milktrains.pdf

 

Don Burn

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

 

Roger 

 

Arriving a little late to this discussion but I have some H.P. Hood & Sons milk cars that I would like to sell.  Need to check when I get home but THINK they were made by Intermountain or BrNchline?  Have at least two and maybe more. Also have the dame car in some other lines.

 

If anyone is interested contact me off list and I will dig them out and make a deal.

 

Allen Cain


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Aren’t these all in the future . . .???

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ID Help With Container Car

 

Just to be clear, the electric arc furnace was for steel making:  Judson Steel.

My January 1976 ORER shows the CCKX mark as being owned by California Contemporary, Inc.  It appears CC was the owner, not the shipper.  Oddly, all 95 cars they owned appear to have been container flats, similar to the subject cars.  They owned NOT ONE furniture shipping boxcar.  Weird, eh?

Home points are listed as ACF, Portland; Reading Railroad, Reading; Cape Fear Car Service, Fayetteville; New Haven RR, Maybrook; and Fabricated Metals, Modena PA and San Leandro CA.

Note that San Leandro is about 10 miles south of my photo location.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: 10' High by 8' Wide Superior Doors

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 01:53 PM, Allan Smith wrote:
Superior doors had different spacing for the panels.
I just realized we are talking 10' high doors to fit a 10'-6" I.H. boxcar. If that's the case, Accurail #124 might work.
http://accurail.com/accurail/Direct/124.jpg

Found at the middle of this page:
http://accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm

Dennis Storzek


Re: Milk cars

Allen Cain
 

Roger 

Arriving a little late to this discussion but I have some H.P. Hood & Sons milk cars that I would like to sell.  Need to check when I get home but THINK they were made by Intermountain or BrNchline?  Have at least two and maybe more. Also have the dame car in some other lines.

If anyone is interested contact me off list and I will dig them out and make a deal.

Allen Cain


Re: ID Help With Container Car

spsalso
 

Just to be clear, the electric arc furnace was for steel making:  Judson Steel.

My January 1976 ORER shows the CCKX mark as being owned by California Contemporary, Inc.  It appears CC was the owner, not the shipper.  Oddly, all 95 cars they owned appear to have been container flats, similar to the subject cars.  They owned NOT ONE furniture shipping boxcar.  Weird, eh?

Home points are listed as ACF, Portland; Reading Railroad, Reading; Cape Fear Car Service, Fayetteville; New Haven RR, Maybrook; and Fabricated Metals, Modena PA and San Leandro CA.

Note that San Leandro is about 10 miles south of my photo location.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: ID Help With Container Car

spsalso
 

Below is a shot I took of CCKX 268 in Emeryville CA, in March or April of 1976.

In reading Claus's blog article, I saw the mention of electric arc furnaces.  Interestingly, there was one about half a mile south of the photo location.  I spent a goodly bit of time hanging around the edge of the facility, but don't recall seeing such a car entering, leaving, or inside.  But I've missed lots of other things, too.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: 10' High by 8' Wide Superior Doors

Allan Smith
 

Superior doors had different spacing for the panels. Check a photo of the car for which you want to build the doors. Attached are photos of 8'x10' doors I make for an EJ&E 60416 boxcar, notice that the top and bottom panels are a different size.

I started with Evergreen 0.020 sheet cut to the size of the door, then drew the rib horizontal spacing lines with a small square, the pencil lines won't show after you glue the ribs in place. I use Evergreen #8204 HO Scale 2x4 for the ribs. Glue a vertical rib on the left side of the door, length doesn't matter at this point. After the glue is dry cut the vertical rib to the length of the door, this sets the left end of the horizontal ribs. Glue the horizontal ribs top to bottom, again length is not critical. After the glue is dry lay a vertical rib parallel over the right side of the door and cut with a razor the ends of the horizontal ribs. The vertical rib should now fit between the ends of the horizontal ribs and the right edge of the door, again if to long trim to fit.

Details Associates part FC 6213, if you can find one, has handles latches and tack boards.

Hope this helps

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:31:04 PM PDT, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


The C&BT boxcars with 8' doors have 7-panel Superior doors that measure 10' tall. Ditto for Branchline. I don't know if that is too tall for your needs (yes, I know the underlying kits are for cars taller than 10' - I'm just trying to be helpful and informative). I also have a pair of 8' Superior doors from an unknown source that measure 10'3" tall. They seem to be from a Robin's Rails PS-1 kit.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Jesionowski via groups.io <dti406@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:26 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 10' High by 8' Wide Superior Doors

Is there any source of 8' wide Superior Doors for a 10' IH Boxcar?

If not looks like scratcbulding time.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

Dick Harley
 


Bill,

For the past 20 years or so (maybe more), I believe most Korean factory lettered brass has used what I understand to be a "thermal" decal process.  In that process the lettering is on a film which is applied to the model.  Then, it is heated to set the lettering on the model, and the film is removed.  It looks like pad printing, since there is no film left on the model, but it is very much more difficult to remove.  I have not yet done too much experimenting, and I should do more.  I have yet to find a chemical that softens the lettering.  It may be that the lettering needs to be removed mechanically (it's on top of the base colors), and then the surface buffed back to a smooth finish.  


Probably not what you wanted to hear,
Dick Harley


Re: Resource about Freight Car Brakes and Braking

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Dennis,

Thank you.  It's hard to know what's right or wrong when you don't know.  And I've been a subscriber for a while, but don't recall seeing documentation that was as clearly illustrated (which I felt that presentation was pretty simple and clear, if wrong).  Historical info scans aren't always easy to read and the instruction kit info is hardly clear, or in my experience, without mistakes.   So really knowing what is what is hard.

I am interested in the K brakes a lot, since I model '34 freight cars and many used this system.  My Dad was the mechanical engineer and was precise.  I'm mostly a statistician, so if the info has as many errors in each direction, to me it's about on average, and I'm ok :-).

Thanks for helping me make my modeling a little better!   I might try and take the slide deck and modify it with these corrections and Tim's supplied documents as my "go to guide" on brakes.

Dave

Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 10:08:09 AM, you wrote:


I hate picking apart someone else's work, but in the interest of not furthering misinformation:

Page nine has a cut-away view of a KC brake having an integral cut-out cock; this may well be an illustration from the patent for the original H equipment, since K equipment doesn't have this cut-out.

Page ten snows a pictorial view of K brake equipment with the release valve properly shown at the center of the top of the reservoir (the side toward the floor.

Page twelve shows the author's model with the release rod terminating at the triple valve rather than at the aforementioned release valve.

None of the material on AB brakes shows the release valve or its rod at all, On AB equipment the release valve is on the control valve.

Page 21 gives the pipe sizes as the Outside Diameter, while the dimensions cited are actually the trade size of the pipe, the OD (what we model) is larger.

The model observation car has a UC-12 control valve, which hadn't yet been developed when that car was built, and those cars had a short life.

He presents a PC brake diagram, but not PM or LN or UC-12, all much more common systems.

I can't comment on the vacuum brakes.

Dennis Storzek



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
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____________________________
David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34


Re: 10' High by 8' Wide Superior Doors

Richard Townsend
 

The C&BT boxcars with 8' doors have 7-panel Superior doors that measure 10' tall. Ditto for Branchline. I don't know if that is too tall for your needs (yes, I know the underlying kits are for cars taller than 10' - I'm just trying to be helpful and informative). I also have a pair of 8' Superior doors from an unknown source that measure 10'3" tall. They seem to be from a Robin's Rails PS-1 kit.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Jesionowski via groups.io <dti406@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:26 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 10' High by 8' Wide Superior Doors

Is there any source of 8' wide Superior Doors for a 10' IH Boxcar?

If not looks like scratcbulding time.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Dick Harley
 


Most Chinese assembled cars are pre-painted and glued with CA, so a little bit of torque will break the glue bonds.  Disassembling a model is not difficult.

For those wanting to know what the correct lettering looks like for any era, the PFE painting and lettering book that I wrote and illustrated is still available:
https://sphts.myshopify.com/collections/books/products/southern-pacific-freight-car-painting-and-lettering-guide
While it is titled Southern Pacific, about 40% of the book is PFE.

FWIW, I redrew all seven lettering schemes for these cars about two years ago and gave that artwork to InterMountain.  The previous artwork had the incorrect UP medallion for the -19 and -21 single medallion cars, among other errors.  So, whether any of my new artwork was used for this current run of cars, I cannot say, since I have not seen any of these latest cars up close.  If you think you are frustrated ...


Stay Safe & Healthy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA


Re: ID Help With Container Car

mark_landgraf
 

When you add water to CC you get acetylene gas that is most commonly used in welding. 

Yes it was used in hand lamps, headlites on cars and locos as well as mining helmets. 

The gas becomes well unstable at greater than 15 lbs of pressure. 

Mark Landgraf


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:41 PM, Andy Jackson
<lajrmdlr@...> wrote:
The "cans" look like ones used to move "dirty dirt". BNSF used similar cars when the dirt under the old hydraulic retarders was hauled away to be burned to get rid of the fluid & returned clean.


Re: ID Help With Container Car

 

The "cans" look like ones used to move "dirty dirt". BNSF used similar cars when the dirt under the old hydraulic retarders was hauled away to be burned to get rid of the fluid & returned clean.


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I think that CC can also be used in headlamps used in mines, but not sure about that.

   Yes, I remember it well from my excursions into caving. Bright and dependable light.

Tony Thompson




Re: REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks for the reply Mel.  I don't really know how to determine the type of lettering.

Bill Pardue



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: mel perry <clipper841@...>
Date: 5/12/20 7:37 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

what kind of lettering?, pad printed?
dry transfers? decals?
:-)
mel perry

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 10:09 AM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

We have had quite a few posts recently on removing factory lettering from plastic cars.
Does anyone have a recommendation for removing lettering from brass cars while preserving the factory paint?

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 5/12/20 6:41 AM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Hi Fred:

I would love to see photos id your revamped cars.

Bill Parsie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io>
Date: 5/12/20 4:54 AM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

I am now glad I exhibited amazing sloth about ordering these in advance . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Guys,
I own six R18,19 & 21 cars of their previous 'Wegmann' runs.
ALL of them had severe underframe and brake system problems, wrong heralds and or dates, etc.
So during all those years nothing -except the price- has changed so it seems...;-((
Dismantled the underframes and brake systems, mounted new improved parts.
Took the decals and paint off (they were kind of mud-ish orange) and repainted/redecaled.
Still have to refurbish 4 of them..., just like the prototypes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: Milk cars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Don,

Would you please send photos of the 803-804 cars? Does anyone make an HO model of them?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 09:08:35 AM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


That is correct Don. You are refering specifically to GPEX #803 and #804 both of which 
were rebuilds of earlier wood sheathed milk tank cars. General American used a cover
for the two 3,000 gal. tanks each on these two cars that was similar to, but different, from 
that used by the cars that Borden owned outright. The two GPEX cars were leased to
H.P. Hood & Sons thus being seen in service only in New England or as far out of it as 
the large Hood plant in Eagle Bridge, NY. If someone needs a photo to show the 
difference between the two Hood cars and the Borden cars I could post photos of the two
Hood cars with some guidance as I've had no luck in doing so since the change was made
to groups.io. I have both builder's photos and in service photos of the two Hood cars and 
expect everyone knows what the Borden cars looked like.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

mel perry
 

what kind of lettering?, pad printed?
dry transfers? decals?
:-)
mel perry

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 10:09 AM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

We have had quite a few posts recently on removing factory lettering from plastic cars.
Does anyone have a recommendation for removing lettering from brass cars while preserving the factory paint?

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 5/12/20 6:41 AM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Hi Fred:

I would love to see photos id your revamped cars.

Bill Parsie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io>
Date: 5/12/20 4:54 AM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

I am now glad I exhibited amazing sloth about ordering these in advance . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Guys,
I own six R18,19 & 21 cars of their previous 'Wegmann' runs.
ALL of them had severe underframe and brake system problems, wrong heralds and or dates, etc.
So during all those years nothing -except the price- has changed so it seems...;-((
Dismantled the underframes and brake systems, mounted new improved parts.
Took the decals and paint off (they were kind of mud-ish orange) and repainted/redecaled.
Still have to refurbish 4 of them..., just like the prototypes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Photo: DL&W Gondola 60327

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: DL&W Gondola 60327

This is a photo from the Erie Lackawanna E-Mail List Photo Archive:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-05-20/C2768.jpg

I assume this is a gondola and not a flat car fitted with sides.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


We have had quite a few posts recently on removing factory lettering from plastic cars.
Does anyone have a recommendation for removing lettering from brass cars while preserving the factory paint?

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 5/12/20 6:41 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Hi Fred:

I would love to see photos id your revamped cars.

Bill Parsie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Date: 5/12/20 4:54 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

I am now glad I exhibited amazing sloth about ordering these in advance . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Guys,
I own six R18,19 & 21 cars of their previous 'Wegmann' runs.
ALL of them had severe underframe and brake system problems, wrong heralds and or dates, etc.
So during all those years nothing -except the price- has changed so it seems...;-((
Dismantled the underframes and brake systems, mounted new improved parts.
Took the decals and paint off (they were kind of mud-ish orange) and repainted/redecaled.
Still have to refurbish 4 of them..., just like the prototypes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: 1910 view of a NYC&HR composite gon...

lrkdbn
 

This was actually a very common car on the NYC Lines-they had some 16000 of them. Some later rebuilt to outside stake cars,last ones in service about 1925.
Larry King

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