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Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
Hello, Folks... Attached is a spreadsheet in which the 25,000 New Haven wood-sheathed, steel underframe cars built 1902-1912 are documented. They were all retired from service by 10-1950. There is a lot here to keep your eyeballs busy and which also corrects some misconceptions about renumbering and construction (like the history of the SS cars). The spreadsheet was constructed in service to my work on a database of all the box cars built 1-1910 through 12-1944. Eric, Homewood, IL
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:35 AM Randy Hammill <nhrr@...> wrote: I certainly don't question the late date.
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Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car
Clark Propst
I have to ask Dennis, do you have tooling for the other models. Short ribbed 40' and 50' cars?
Thanks for bring these back out! CW Propst
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Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
Donald B. Valentine
To Bob Witt, Thanks so much for posting Chris Barkan's sheet on B&O hopper lettering diagrams and thanks to Chris fr developing it. For whatever reason in northern Vermont we seemed to see more B&O hoppers in the post war era than hoppers from any other road, On the way back from Montreal late yesterday afternoon I had an opportunity to visit with fellow list member Armand Premo before continuing homeward and these very cars were one subject of discussion. We know, for example, that most of the coal burned by the Central Vermont arrived in B&O hoppers. Wjile we do not know where it originated we think it must have come across NY Harbor on car floats to the New Haven at Oak Point for delivery to the CV at New London but are not certain of that. Likewise B&O hoppers were quite common on the Rutland as we know from switch list that Armand has had for most of the fifty years we have known each other. Thus it is good to have something as definitive ' as the sheet Chris has put together and shared with us all to be sure such cars are lettered appropriately for our time frame. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List
Benjamin Hom
Robert Kirkham wrote:
"Well, I don’t have a list, but I do have kits: the CPR mini-box and the CPR big Otis gon." The CPR "Big Otis" gon was originally a Rensselaer Railroad Shop kit. Ben Hom
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N&W Boxcar
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, The attached photos are of an N&W MoW boxcar I photographed in the 1990s at Elkton, Virginia. As the detail photo shows, this car was "built" in 1960, so it fits within our period of interest. I have no data on these cars (my ORER is October 1958), and would appreciate any information the group can supply. The car appears to have a 7' door, certainly welded sides, and what appears to be a "banana-taper" late improved Dreadnaught end. It does not appear in Ed Hawkins' article on similar AC&F cars in the July 1999 RMJ. It am wondering if it was home-built or even a major rebuild, as the N&W had just done to their round roof boxcars. I was initially attracted to the car by the Henesy "Side-well" device (which is not within our period), as at the time I was writing an article on these accessories. Mr. Henesy and I had a telephone conversation about his invention. He mentioned that the N&W applied these to some of their MoW boxcars because staff cuts meant that some MoW staging locations only had a single employee, so if the door stuck he could have hard a hard time opening the door. This Slide-well is actually broken. The wheel and gear box should be attached to the right edge of the door. Mr. Henesy said that roughg use (slamming the unit against its right-side stop) often resulted in stripped gears, which may be the case here. Later units had clutch of some sort in the gearbox that prevented this damage. As an aside, I sold the article to MR, but they never published same. Yours Aye, Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge 🦆
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Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List
Robert kirkham
Well, I don’t have a list, but I do have kits: the CPR mini-box and the CPR big Otis gon.
Rob
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On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:11 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List
Wondering if anyone has a complete list of the kits with stock numbers offered several years ago by "Yankee Clipper?" I understand these were done for Bill Dulmaine by Steve Funaro but still interested in knowing the kits included originally
under the Yankee Clipper label. Thank you.
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Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 02:10 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
The doors are accurate. The "Rib Side" kits seem mixed regarding the grabs. I have only built the 40-ft DD and removed the mold-on grabs easily. I have the 50-ft w/6-ft door to build and the grabs are not molded-on. The brakes wheels are beautiful and correct I think. I replaced the molded on Sill Steps and scratch built new ladders for the DD version. The representation of the side ribs, the unique MILW roof and dreadnaught ends are well done. With some love these can be built into very nice models.Having inspected all the tooling, I find that only the first two releases, the 40' "long rib" single and double door cars, had molded on grabs. George then switched to supplying wire grabs, which, of course, the modeler had to paint himself. The Rib Side Cars line was certainly a labor of love for George Schmidt, he had excellent tooling built, unfortunately, I doubt he ever got his money back with it. It has some interesting quirks, almost like as bills were piling up he'd just throw up his hands and authorize some shortcut just to get the project done. Case in point; the detail work on the car sides is impressive, but the grab irons were totally devoid of any attachment detail. I added a representation of the Milwaukee's unique Z section attachment brackets when I did minor repairs to the single door car, and will do the same to the double door car before we release it. Likewise, there was no handbrake rod or bell crank, which I added to the parts group, and the brake wheel as tooled was impossible to mold, in fact, they had the gate welded shut, and were apparently supplying an after market part. I added a new Equipco brake wheel cavity, based on information supplied by the Milwaukee Road Historical society and our own Gene Green. Hopefully I'll get time to work over the 40' double door car this summer, in time for release at Milwaukee Trainfest next November. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
rwitt_2000
I wanted to include Chris Barkan's stencil diagrams for hopper cars.
Bob Witt
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FS- HO Freight Cars
Scott H. Haycock
I have a list of freight car models, Kit and RTR for sale. These models are from the era covered by this list, with a very few models a few years newer.
As I'm downsizing my ambitions due to age, I really need to sell these models. Any realistic offers will be considered. Contact me at OFF LIST at: shhaycockATcomcastDOTnet for a copy of this list. Thanks, Scott Haycock
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Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
rwitt_2000
Tim and Group,
To make the stenciling more specific, the B&O hopper in the photo has the Billboard "B&O" with a small ampersand which places it in the mid-1950s introduced in 1956 lasting to 1957. The next iteration eliminated the lines above and below the reporting marks and the initials and numbers were 9" high. This one was in effect from 1957 to 1962 when the C&O took control. Bob Witt
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Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car
Curt Fortenberry
RPC Volume 13 is the one you want. Curt Fortenberry
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Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car
Bill Welch
The doors are accurate. The "Rib Side" kits seem mixed regarding the grabs. I have only built the 40-ft DD and removed the mold-on grabs easily. I have the 50-ft w/6-ft door to build and the grabs are not molded-on. The brakes wheels are beautiful and correct I think. I replaced the molded on Sill Steps and scratch built new ladders for the DD version. The representation of the side ribs, the unique MILW roof and dreadnaught ends are well done. With some love these can be built into very nice models.
I suggest consulting the appropriate RP CYC that focused on the Rib Side designs as some of them had wood running boards while some were mixed with steel Longitudinal and wood Latitudinals. Bill Welch
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Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
Peter Ness
Hi Tim, I probably misread one of the earlier posts where I thought there was a comment that someone was not familiar with s.s. cars on the New Haven, and was trying to provide some background about this history of those cars.
Peter Ness
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:46 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
Peter,
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Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car
At long last the two Accurail Ribbed Sided Milwaukee box cars I have had on order for what seemed like eons arrived at my Local Hobby Shop today and I eagerly procured them and rushed home to unbox and see what I had acquired. These are "favorite" cars of mine although I know next to nothing about the prototype. At one time I think I once had an MDC version of this car from the 1970's or 80's but it is not in my current collection. According to what little I know Accurail acquired the Rib Side Cars original maker of this version.
I started to de-sprue but decided I needed more expert opinion before I went much further. This is the contents (not including the instruction sheet) of the Accurail box. I have cleaned up the running board/roof walk casting a bit removing flash and trimmed the large molding gate from the underside of the main car casting. The brake wheel appears to be a representation of an Equipco brake wheel. Is this correct? The door is rather unusual. How long did the cars retain these doors. The car has a representation of a metal running board with a rectangular grid pattern. The grabs are molded in as are all the grabs on the side of the body. The ends have a 5+5 rib pattern and are rounded enough to indicate a W post end frame. Note that the car side is lettered with New 7-40. That will have to be changed to a repack date as I model 1950-54. I assume this is the as-built lettering. The other car kit I bought is lettered for the Route of the Hiawathas and has a New 3-40 date. The color is a maroonish boxcar red which was the Milwaukee Roads standard box car color. All in all it appears to be a fairly nice kit. Accurail has certainly reworked the molding somewhat and it it unfortunate they were unable to include separate grab irons. But the kit cost under $20 (and i is marked made in the USA) so there is not much room for complaint. Comments, criticisms and references to the prototype are the reason I am posting before I start constructing and enhancing the kit (cast on grab irons must go.)
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Re: NP Mystery Car
spsalso
The car is surely originally from the NP transfer car series: 101000-101049 and 101050-101084, made famous in our circles by Red Ball, as I recall. Nominally 60' long, with two separate 5'-6" doors on each side. I believe "transfer" would likely equate to LCL service, and not wood chip or hog fuel.
The car number in the picture is 2X2 (as in 232, 242, 252, etc.)(my vote is 262). Those numbers were assigned to company service cars. In particular, numbers from 1 to 295 appear to have been assigned to scrap service at the time, and up until NP was merged. The cars in scrap service were certainly varied: 109 was a former tank car, and used "for hauling exhausted carbide from welding plant at Brainerd." 292 and 293 were "composite" gons formerly used as "oxygen" cars, and still retain the 8 side doors from that service. Their particular usage as scrap cars is not noted. 294 was converted from NP 14029, and called a "yard box", either before or after conversion (it's not clear). 295 was formerly cinder car 205754. All of the above information is available at the NPRHA site, except that I got the original car numbers from ORER. As can be seen from the photo modifications to 2X2 include 8-10 roof hatches, with covers, and 12 small side doors, with the doors sliding vertically. The small side doors are reminiscent of the doors on the oxygen cars. That would not explain the roof hatches, however. Dual or multiple usage might. I believe 2X2 was a company service scrap car. I have no idea what the scrap was. I am sure it was frequently loaded through the roof, as why else have the hatches? And the car and the load were likely not much damaged by the roof loading. The small side doors could also have been used for loading. Note, by the way, that, in the photo, some of the roof hatches are open; and 4 out of 6 small side doors are open. Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: NP Mystery Car
Dan true of the car in the original photo that started this thread. But not of the car in the photo with the coal piles, the car to which Dennis and I were referring.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 2:34 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Mystery Car
The car clearly has TWO doors on the visible side, with door-tracks still in place. NP and several other roads (GN, PRR, etc.) had such ~55-60’ four-door boxcars. It has since had several smaller low doors added, as well as roof hatches. This is quite similar to other cars used for wood chip, slash, and block service.
Dan Mitchell ========== On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:
Notice there is no door on the car, essentially making it an extremely tall gon. That says sawdust or wood chip car when sitting in the Pacific northwest.
Doug Harding
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:27 AM, np328 wrote: From the spur that the photographer was on in the prior photo. A D&RGW gon is being unloaded at A E Powell. Note all the different coal sizes.The car to the left appears to have limestone(?) Over the large pile of coal I believe are the towers of the other two train stations. Can't be limestone, waaay too big a car for any mineral product, must either be sawdust or slash. Was cut slash sold as firewood back in those years?
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Re: NP Mystery Car
The car clearly has TWO doors on the visible side, with door-tracks still in place. NP and several other roads (GN, PRR, etc.) had such ~55-60’ four-door boxcars. It has since had several smaller low doors added, as well as roof hatches. This is quite similar to other cars used for wood chip, slash, and block service.
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Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
Schleigh Mike
Tim & Group---- The Movie "It Happened to Jane," released in 1959 featured a New Haven SS boxcar, very likely off the roster for revenue but, still extant. Regards from Grove City, wet and cooling down in western Penna.---Mike Schleigh
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 11:45:32 AM EST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Peter,
Why do you think 1948 is relevant? The color photo of south Boston was taken in the late 1950's (a previous source I have says the date is August 1960). The Rock Island box car was built in 1952, and it is weathered and has a lube stencil patch. The B&O billboard letters were introduced in the early 1950's (after 1951, for sure). The MEC box car green paint is from the 1950's and the Cotton Belt double door box car was rebuilt in 1954. By 1959 the New Haven rostered ZERO wood sheathed box cars, according to the ORER. Tim O'Connor On 2/25/2020 2:34 PM, Peter Ness wrote: Those are all in service cars my friends. Those are not the RIP tracks in South Boston Freight Terminal. Look over by the brick smokestack and sand tower to see two switchers – the S-1 is working and smoking, the HH660 probably idling. Now, since Boston was a terminal, there is no telling how long the foreign road cars lingered before returning home.
There are three NH box cars in the photo; McGinnis scheme (black with large “NH”) behind the Superior reefer Script herald (BCR, very faded lettering) coupled to the right of the Superior reefer The storage car that is on the ground to the right of the script herald car and to the left of the RI box car. Notice there is a phone pole directly behind the script herald boxcar described above.
The storage car is one of the NHs old boxes, possibly 70200 series (I have a photo of NH 70218) which were rebuilt in 1935 with steel underframes from earlier NH 170000-170999-series 30-ton box cars.
The 40’ steel boxcars arrived beginning 1942 but there were still over 120 wood box cars in service in Sept 1948. Beginning post-war many of the wood cars were converted to non-revenue service, which is the fate of the car in this photo. A white “NH” is visible above the “W-series” work car number. Some cars were grounded and used for storage which appears to be the fate of this car. The yellow visible on the side is a patch of paint only so a black lettered stencil could be applied. This could have been applied while the car was still on trucks or not. Could have said anything from “sand service only” to “property of mechanical dept.”
Peter Ness
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[mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler
Larrabee via Groups.Io
Agreed it’s a patch, but I think it’s a painted patch, painting out something, like a “return to” notice. It’s a bit too ragged to be a carpenter’s parch.
Schuyler
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On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
steve_wintner
Nice thing about those trucks is the styrene sideframe. Easily modified. (Delrin bearings, styrene sideframe)
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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
Lloyd Keyser
The C&NW HS had a special run of these trucks made by Overland many years ago. Might check ebay . The brake system shown is a passenger UC brake system. Cal Scale AB300. Lloyd Keyser
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:21 PM Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote: Da Trucks
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