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Re: C&BT Upgrade

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

     How true that is Tim. Anyone who saw Saving Private Ryan must remember the German tank #314
only it isn't a German tank. It is a Russian T-34 with the glacis plate changed to make it look more like a 
German tank but for the few seconds you saw it in the film 99.9% of the viewers wouldn't know the 
difference. There is a railroad maintenance contractor and maintenance equipment rebuilder on the west 
side of US Rt. #15 not far south of the last trafiic lights in Dillsburg, PA that had this tank sitting outside
their shop for some months in 2011 while the put a rebuilt motor in it. It also had rubber tracks for parade
us. It is owned by a fellow from Penn. but what a shame to modify what was arguably the best tank in
WW II trying to make it into something it isn't. An impossible makeover given that the turret for all German
tanks was centered while the turret on all Soviet tanks were mounted forward of he center. Unlike the 
heavier German Tiger the Russian T-34 could be moved easily by rail without the need to replace its
it's tracks with a more narrow set. (required content)

My best, Don Valentine


IC box car, 2019 RPM Chicagoland Mini-Kit

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I have completed the kitbash project of the IC SS box car provided as the mini-kit at the 2019 Chicagoland RPM gathering. I have prime-painted the model and now need to finish it. Not being an IC fan I'm wondering what the appropriate color may be? The only photos I've found are B&W, and they vary from light to dark. Assuming the cars were Freight Car Red, was it a "brownish" or a "reddish" shade?


ID Help With Container Car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

The attached photo of a container car is well beyond our era of interest. I was hoping to learn more about the car itself to see if it would barely scrape into our last year or so.

The car in question is CCKX 281. The only reference I can find to this reporting mark is California 
Contemporary, Inc., which doesn't seem right. I shot this in the SP/UP Roseville yard near the RIP track around 1987. I suspect the car is loaded with toxic waste of some sort.

Any help with the car's origin and who it belonged to would be appreciated.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Resource about Freight Car Brakes and Braking

Bill Welch
 

Just the messenger Dennis, just the messenger.

Bill Welch


Re: Milk cars

Don Burn
 

If you mean ones that match the F&C kit.  The answer is no, those were a unique Borden design.  There were at least two GPEX cars that used a similar arrangement but were visibly different.

 

Don Burn

 

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

 

Did anyone besides Borden use the butterdish style cars?

Roger Huber


Re: Roof photo of a 7000-7099 Swift reefer

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Al,

If you can find a copy of John Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS, v. 3, there are two full-page panorama shots of Swift's Sioux City yard probably taken from the roof of a near-by building, as well as some other Swift cars in ground-level views. While I don't see any obvious 40' wooden cars, there are a number of 37' cars close to the camera which show good roof detail, especially the weathering. It appears that wooden cars in the red scheme had FCR red paint on their roofs, running boards and hatch covers. Most of the paint is gone on nearly every car showing dark gray weathered wood, though there are replacement boards in FCR. I can't find a single wooden car with a batten roof. Most Swift photos in this book are from 1954, and there are still a very few cars in the simple yellow scheme in evidence. Henderson includes a track-level 1961 view of SRLX 1020 in the silver scheme. Sadly, the roof is completely washed out and no details can be seen.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:33 PM Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:
I have an old Walthers 40' DS wood reefer with wood ends Swift 932-2428. With all the new 37' reefer models by Rapido, I began researching info on Swift reefers. I found a photo of SRLX 7045 that shows the B end and sides, this is a 40' length series of swift reefers. I think I can kitbash a reasonable model of this series using the Walthers kit. The cars were built in the 1930's so I am assuming they had a wood roof like the 37' Rapido cars. I model 1955 and my 1958 ORER shows there were still 81 cars in existence, so I think this would be car to contrast with the 37' wood and 40' steel Swift reefers in my fleet.

Any help with info on the roofs of these cars would be most helpful.

Thanks

Al Smith
Sonora CA


Milk cars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Did anyone besides Borden use the butterdish style cars?

Roger Huber


Re: Resource about Freight Car Brakes and Braking

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 03:19 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
A friend on Facebook found this resource and posted the link for it: http://sld-nmra.ca/freight_car/ref_material/braking_trains.pdf?fbclid=IwAR17qjVSUv_iuhFYt7PPsxfB0s2i-9GHQp-78PG96-tDDnc418RvfpzCIko
Bill,

Hate to say it, but there are better references around, with fewer errors of both fact and interpretation.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

bill stanton
 

It also looks to me like the single herald versions of the r-40-19 and r-30-21 are using the incorrect later ("fatter") UP logo dating from about june 1946 whereas the rebuild dates are from march 1946 at least that's what i gather from reading Tony's PFE book...any commentary or correction most welcomed on this as i would otherwise have bought these cars...(interestingly the single herald version of the r-30-18 rebuilt 9-42 looks to have the correct UP logo with the narrower waist)...


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers
 
Andy Cich wrote:

I haven’t tried to fix it yet. I’m not sure how easy it will be to pry the valve off. Also, the brake cylinder is too far away from the center sill and doesn’t connect to the lever. And the rod that connects between the levers should be inside the center sill. It is in the spot where the cylinder should go.

      The PFE car I just received is the same as Andy's photo. The (rather coarse) chain attached to the brake cylinder is just glued to the center sill, no lever attachment, and the brake rodding is completely mixed up. Obviously quality control not in effect -- they have done a lot of these before.
     At the same time, the rodding errors  won't be visible in operation. The visually disturbing parts are the valve and reservoir being set so far from the floor.

Tony Thompson




Re: Roof photo of a 7000-7099 Swift reefer

Richard Townsend
 

How about this:


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Roof photo of a 7000-7099 Swift reefer

I have an old Walthers 40' DS wood reefer with wood ends Swift 932-2428. With all the new 37' reefer models by Rapido, I began researching info on Swift reefers. I found a photo of SRLX 7045 that shows the B end and sides, this is a 40' length series of swift reefers. I think I can kitbash a reasonable model of this series using the Walthers kit. The cars were built in the 1930's so I am assuming they had a wood roof like the 37' Rapido cars. I model 1955 and my 1958 ORER shows there were still 81 cars in existence, so I think this would be car to contrast with the 37' wood and 40' steel Swift reefers in my fleet.

Any help with info on the roofs of these cars would be most helpful.

Thanks

Al Smith
Sonora CA


Roof photo of a 7000-7099 Swift reefer

Allan Smith
 

I have an old Walthers 40' DS wood reefer with wood ends Swift 932-2428. With all the new 37' reefer models by Rapido, I began researching info on Swift reefers. I found a photo of SRLX 7045 that shows the B end and sides, this is a 40' length series of swift reefers. I think I can kitbash a reasonable model of this series using the Walthers kit. The cars were built in the 1930's so I am assuming they had a wood roof like the 37' Rapido cars. I model 1955 and my 1958 ORER shows there were still 81 cars in existence, so I think this would be car to contrast with the 37' wood and 40' steel Swift reefers in my fleet.

Any help with info on the roofs of these cars would be most helpful.

Thanks

Al Smith
Sonora CA


Re: Oyster Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Dale Minard commented...

While reading the Oyster Car article (NMRA Sunrise Trail Division Cannon Ball Fall 2014 issue), I noticed that Part 2 was to be published in the following issue (Winter 2014).  A quick request to the editor resulted in the following link (in case anyone is interested):

http://sunrisetraildiv.com/Cannonballs/4404Winter2014.pdf

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

John Sykes III
 

Just a thought, but is this their first batch of cars out of the new factory in China?

-- John


Resource about Freight Car Brakes and Braking

Bill Welch
 


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

John Sykes III
 

UPS just dropped them off.  Ditto here on the twin logo ones.  Y'a know I wouldn't be upset if these were $12 Tyco cars, but at $42.95 each???????  I think we've been robbed.

-- John


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Cich wrote:

I haven’t tried to fix it yet. I’m not sure how easy it will be to pry the valve off. Also, the brake cylinder is too far away from the center sill and doesn’t connect to the lever. And the rod that connects between the levers should be inside the center sill. It is in the spot where the cylinder should go.

      The PFE car I just received is the same as Andy's photo. The (rather coarse) chain attached to the brake cylinder is just glued to the center sill, no lever attachment, and the brake rodding is completely mixed up. Obviously quality control not in effect -- they have done a lot of these before.
     At the same time, the rodding errors  won't be visible in operation. The visually disturbing parts are the valve and reservoir being set so far from the floor.

Tony Thompson




Photo: Boxcars IHB 5689 and NP 29177

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

Boxcars  IHB 5689 and NP 29177


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


Yikes!! It looks like they specified WIRE for the rods (a good thing) but didn't bother to tell people
how to arrange the bits. Or maybe the factory just decided to save assembly time...

Another reason not to buy RTR, if the kits are available.


On 5/11/2020 2:56 PM, Andy Cich wrote:

I recently received a few of the latest cars from Intermountain. All of mine are assembled as shown in the photo. Did anybody receive cars that are correctly assembled? I wonder if the whole run was done this way. Or just one person on the assembly line had a problem.

 

I haven’t tried to fix it yet. I’m not sure how easy it will be to pry the valve off. Also, the brake cylinder is too far away from the center sill and doesn’t connect to the lever. And the rod that connects between the levers should be inside the center sill. It is in the spot where the cylinder should go.

 

 

Andy Cich

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: C&BT Upgrade

Tim O'Connor
 


Chuck, a LOT of people (including me) have paid a ridiculous amount of attention to underframes that cannot
be seen in normal operation. I remember Richard Hendrickson's analogy of Hollywood movie props - that are
often just a piece of complete junk - and for the brief 1/2 second you see them on screen your mind fills in the
details, so why bother? I have a Hendrickson 65 foot mill gondola and the entire underside has little lead weights
glued under the floor - no other details at all. Why bother? :-D



On 5/11/2020 1:05 PM, Charles Peck wrote:
When I want a showcase model, little things matter.
When Charlton Heston did a big scene with a cast of thousands, I doubt that 
everyone one of them got full makeup, full exact costume, and the proper 
period haircut.  
Just so, some of my 100 plus hopper cars might have some plastic blob that 
only halfway resembles a Wine door latch.  
Chuck Peck

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:13 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
Andy Carlson writes:
A real risk of offending folks on this subject, but I heavily disagree on the acceptance of the CB&T Shops car body. I think the Bad reputation is deserved.

Andy --
No offense here. We all model at different levels with different priorities, and the height of the bar is consistently changing with time. In the 80s, the C&BT carbodies were among the leaders, in prototype fidelity as well as offering variations in door width, number of panels, etc.

Today there are many more options on the table, including some with the right number of rivets. Were I wanting to do start from a zero-base to do the RI boxcar project today, I'd probably choose a different starting point than a C&BT kit. This not being the case, it's been fun to dress up the C&BT pig and see how good we can make her look. 

Regards,
Bob Chapman  

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: -- C&BT Upgrade

Tom Madden
 

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 01:51 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Tom, one thing I notice - you have used Detail Associates 22" bracket grab irons! Instead of the correct 18" style.
How do I know this? Because when the IMWX box cars were released, the bracket grabs were HORRIBLE and
so I used DA 22" grabs instead! :-D

(Those DA grabs were made for their GS gondola kits and I think they were correct for the gondolas.)
That's one of the things I would do differently, and I'd also attach the left ends of the grabs to the car ends and not to the car sides. But those DA grabs were the best available at the time and I know a lot more now than I did then. I did scratchbuild the ladders with 0.010" styrene rungs.

Tom Madden
 

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