George
There is a picture of #37072 in the March 1993 Railmodel Journal on page 6
Don Ford
Kanab UT

Jerry, The only info I can find deals with Accu-Paint. This was in the chart in Ed Hawkins RPC #3.
 
Postwar Red Oxide 1 part #12 Oxide Brown + 1 part #54 Rich Oxide Brown
1940's Red Brown            #12 Oxide Brown
 
#12 long discontinued and of course Accu-Paint is out of business. Tru-Color has some Oxide Browns. I too wish that Modelflex would add the Oxide shades along with Mineral Brown & Red.
 
Rich

Tom,

Since we cannot see the photo, could you send a scan to us individually so we
could comment further?

If it is a 50-foot IL fishbelly center sill car with straight sides and fixed
ends, it may be one of the USSteel cars that went to Lake Terminal, Union RR,
B&LE, McKeesport Connecting and others. They got swapped around a lot, and I
have been tracing their history for years. They were superceded by sturdier
cars.

It is a car that widely traveled, and we all need it in HO.

Elden Gatwood

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <tmolsen@...> wrote:

Can anyone identify this car and the reporting marks "NTX"?

Tom,

According to Ian Cranstone's web site, NTX is National Tube Co., 8/1920 to 4/1938.

http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportn.html

National Tube was part of US Steel.

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/United-States-Steel-Corporation-Company-History.html


John Hile

Guys;

Jack's P&WV decals, and others he did (Union RR, Donora So., McKeesport
Connecting gons), may still be offered by A.B Charles, the hobby shop, in
Pittsburgh. I am not aware of any stock he has retained. Give A.B. a
search/call and tell us what you find. I need a couple sets myself.

Brian, I do not have that MM issue at hand, but it was on the NKP double door
50-footers. I will also see if I can dig it up. Pretty hefty project....

Elden Gatwood

List,

I have a builder's broadside photo of a 70-Ton gondola numbered NTX-1859. The car is lettered with a Capacity of 140000 lbs, a LT. WT. of 53900 lbs, and Cu. CAPY. of 1170 Cu. Ft. The car has a "New" date of 8-37. The lettering is on the left 2nd through 4th panels. There is no other lettering on the car side. The photo apparently was made before the balance of the lettering was applied.

The sides are composed of 11 panels. The left and right end panels and the center panel are longer in length than the remaining 8, which are of the same size. There are 10 side stakes with triangular gussets attaching where they meet the bottom of the top chord. The ends have extended sills and the car is equipped with archbar trucks. I have no end shots of the car.

Can anyone identify this car and the reporting marks "NTX"?

Regards,
Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-74749
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edus

Thanks Al,  I look and see if I've got those.

George

There's an in-service photo of A&WP 37972 in Model Railroading (MRG) 1/89, p4, and two builder's photos of A&WP 37989 appear in MRG 4/98, p58.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

I need help finding an A&WP photo, preferably a PS-1 37900-37989 series built in 11/52. Builder's Photo or book reference?

Thanks,

George

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
http://www.micro-trains.com/sr-0912-hollwedelWP.php
http://www.atlasrr.com/special.htm
http://www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/nsr.htm

Wow! The menu for the Columbia looks GREAT!  Nothing like that up here in Michigan.



Al Kresse

The Advisory Mech Comm roads under the Van Sweregen Bros "kind of" standardized with some specialty variants their design for common Pere Marquette, C&O, Erie and NKP for mid-20s through WW2 steel cabeeses.



Al Kresse

Thanks Allen!

This year we shall be known as Bash at the Beach ~ Shake N Take....

Here is how we stand so far and I am stopping here.

I have gone out on a limb here and I am going to come up with six (6)
additional kits... I might find them at a swap meet locally.

Thanks to Mont, Dave and Tim who are providing their own kits as there is
a
twist to this little project.

If you would like to follow along with a set of Handouts let me know as
they too will be limited as well.

I am stopping here and going to leave eleven spots for walk-ins at the
event.

Remember email me off list. __tgregmrtn@aol._tg_
(mailto:_tgregmrtn@aol.com) _ (mailto:_tgregmrtn@aol.tgr_ (mailto:tgregmrtn@aol.com) )

I have split the list for those that are looking for ends, trucks, decals
and
handout.

Greg Martin

1.) Armand Premo
2.) John Burroughs
3.) Mike Moore
4.) Denny Anspach
5.) John Greedy
6.) Tony Thompson
7.)Dave Hussey
8.) Lindsay Raley
9.) Bill Welch
10.) Jim Singer
11.) Roger Hinman
12.) John Cantlay
13.) Gary Laaskso
14.) Schuyler Larabee
15.) Al Brown
16.) Ned Carey
17.) Jerry Glow
18.) John Wheeler
19.) Bruce Smith
20.) Monte Zelazny
21.) Jared Harper
22.) Chet French
23.) Stan Rydarowicz (via cell phone)
24.) Rob Simpson
25.) Bill McCoy
26.)

Kits Self Provided:
1.) Dave Sieber (memo to myself~does not require a kit~ends, trucks,
handout and decals only)
2.) Mont Switzer (memo to myself~does not require a kit~ends, trucks,
handout and decals only)
3.) Tim O'Connor (memo to myself~does not require a kit~ends, trucks,
handout and decals only)

Handouts only:
1.) Brian Carlson

Jim,



If you come to Tampa, remember that the Happy Hobo shop recently moved.
Their new address is:



10019 N. Dale Mabry HWY

Suite 600

Tampa,FL 33618



(813) 908-5072



Kevin Pytlak is the owner and a nice fellow. I have not been to his new
shop yet but the old one had a nice layout and lots of stuff to look at.



And while in town, take your wife to the Columbia Restaurant in Ybor City
for some authentic Cuban food.

<http://www.columbiarestaurant.com/>; Columbia Restaurant

www.columbiarestaurant.com

2117 E 7th Ave
Tampa, FL 33605-3903
(813) 248-4961



Allen Cain

A common caboose, at least in the NW and built in the '50s and '60s was the
International steel caboose with either standard or wide cupola.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:06 PM, <MOFWCABOOSE@aol.com> wrote:

Attempt #2

The most widespread caboose style seen on several railroads was the
so-called "Northeastern" caboose which was first built by the Reading in
1924. It was an all-steel and slightly lengthened version of an AC&F USRA
design (wooden body; steel underframe) which was offered in 1920. The AC&F
caboose was standard only on the Pittsburg & Shawmut and the Pittsburgh &
West Virginia, but a few ran on other railroads, such as the Central
Vermont.

The "Northeastern" design spread from the Reading to the Central Railroad
of New Jersey, the Lehigh Valley, and the Western Maryland. On those
railroads it became predominate, but the Pittsburgh & West Virginia, Lehigh
& New England and Lehigh & Hudson River each had a few. The L&HR cabooses
were actually wood bodied with steel underframe (a WWII variant), built by
the Reading.

Each railroad's version of the "Northeastern" desigh differed in detail,
much like freight cars.

Most other railroads did have their own characteristic caboose designs. No
one would ever mistake a Pennsylvania Railroad caboose for a New York
Central caboose, or vice versa.

The most characteristic NYC wooden caboose design, three windows followed
by the cupola, was a common style during the steam era. In addition to the
NYC, the configuration was common on the Maine Central, Rutland, Central
Vermont, Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, Missouri Pacific, St. Louis-San
Francisco, Denver & Rio Grande, Western Pacific, and Great Northern. Again,
each railroad's design differed from the others. For example, cupolas on the
NYC cabooses were noticeably squatty, due to low overhead clearances.

The NE5 design was followed by the NE6, which was lower, with a squattier
cupola, and was seen on a number of railroads, especially the New Haven, but
neither design ever became truly widespread.

The "clear vision" or "extended vision" caboose. with the cupola wider then
the car body, was not built commercially until the transition era was over,
but wooden versions were operated in the steam era by PRR, NYC, and CGW.

Most bay window cabooses during the transition era were designs peculiar to
the railroads that owned them.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: cornbeltroute <cornbeltroute@mchsi.com <cornbeltroute%40mchsi.com>>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:48 am
Subject: [STMFC] Steam-era caboose types?

We TT scale types are in sore need of cabeese models (and everything else,
too). This need is the source of my caboose question (spurred by the
Intermountain caboose thread).

Were there some caboose styles/types from the transition era that could be
found on several railroads, or were most cabeese homebuilt and, thus, not
widespread?

I would think the International bay window caboose of the mid-'50s is one
design that might have been found on multiple railroads. The CGW in the late
'40s began purchasing NE-5's, I recall, which were first rolling on the NH
and B&M, I believe.

Much appreciate any information fellow modelers here can provide.

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

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Attempt #2

The most widespread caboose style seen on several railroads was the so-called "Northeastern" caboose which was first built by the Reading in 1924. It was an all-steel and slightly lengthened version of an AC&F USRA design (wooden body; steel underframe) which was offered in 1920. The AC&F caboose was standard only on the Pittsburg & Shawmut and the Pittsburgh & West Virginia, but a few ran on other railroads, such as the Central Vermont.

The "Northeastern" design spread from the Reading to the Central Railroad of New Jersey, the Lehigh Valley, and the Western Maryland. On those railroads it became predominate, but the Pittsburgh & West Virginia, Lehigh & New England and Lehigh & Hudson River each had a few. The L&HR cabooses were actually wood bodied with steel underframe (a WWII variant), built by the Reading.

Each railroad's version of the "Northeastern" desigh differed in detail, much like freight cars.

Most other railroads did have their own characteristic caboose designs. No one would ever mistake a Pennsylvania Railroad caboose for a New York Central caboose, or vice versa.

The most characteristic NYC wooden caboose design, three windows followed by the cupola, was a common style during the steam era. In addition to the NYC, the configuration was common on the Maine Central, Rutland, Central Vermont, Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, Missouri Pacific, St. Louis-San Francisco, Denver & Rio Grande, Western Pacific, and Great Northern. Again, each railroad's design differed from the others. For example, cupolas on the NYC cabooses were noticeably squatty, due to low overhead clearances.

The NE5 design was followed by the NE6, which was lower, with a squattier cupola, and was seen on a number of railroads, especially the New Haven, but neither design ever became truly widespread.

The "clear vision" or "extended vision" caboose. with the cupola wider then the car body, was not built commercially until the transition era was over, but wooden versions were operated in the steam era by PRR, NYC, and CGW.

Most bay window cabooses during the transition era were designs peculiar to the railroads that owned them.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

Charlie,

I am sure Gary will get them out soon, he indicted to me this weekend that they should be out this week as my order is waiting on them. For those of you who have other manufacturer's M-53 boxcar models and need great lettering, the B&ORRHS is going to offer a four car decal set using the same artwork developed for the WrightTrak kit. The B&O, like many roads, used its own unique lettering shapes and many previous decals did not capture this very well. The HS website should have this item added to the Company Store in a few weeks.

Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Summerfield, NC

Hi folks,

Today's the day!

The studio is ready. The outline has been finalized. The props are finished...well almost.

The crew will be arriving at 4:00 to set up their equipment run tests, and do a full rehearsal (They don't trust me!). then it will be on the air and live at 8:00 p.m.

The pilot episode of "Scotty Mason Live", a one-hour live Internet, streaming video show, will air tonight at 8:00 est. I will be demonstrating in clinic fashion, techniques to finish your scenery.

THIS IS A FREE SHOW!

There will be a link on my website to connect to the program. See you tonight!

Scott
www.scottymason.com

We TT scale types are in sore need of cabeese models (and everything else, too). This need is the source of my caboose question (spurred by the Intermountain caboose thread).

Were there some caboose styles/types from the transition era that could be found on several railroads, or were most cabeese homebuilt and, thus, not widespread?

I would think the International bay window caboose of the mid-'50s is one design that might have been found on multiple railroads. The CGW in the late '40s began purchasing NE-5's, I recall, which were first rolling on the NH and B&M, I believe.

Much appreciate any information fellow modelers here can provide.

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

Good morning Steve & Group,

In my response I was only thinking about trains #95-96.

What I find interesting is the difference in freight traffic between the Howard Branch and the Gridley Branch. The two of them being more or less just over the hill from each other. This difference is not so much in the amount of traffic; thou there is much less traffic on the lint to Gridley; but in the type of traffic. There were no rock trains on the Gridley Branch. And where there were several stock extras on the Howard Branch, there were less on the Gridley Branch. And work extras were few on its dirt ballasted route.

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Nov 29, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Steve Sandifer wrote:

The regularly scheduled 95/96 trains on the Howard branch ran with a mixed
combine until 1960. However, there were occasional stock, rock, and work
extra on the branch. In addition, the Howard interchanged with the South
Kansas Division at Moline and the Eastern Division at Emporia, both served
by "caboose" trains.

In going through the documentation of James Burke I found mention of 1727 on
the S. Kansas at Moline, the 1375 (wood side) at Moline, and the 1901 on
four occasions at Climax or Eureka with a stock extra. The 1893 was seen by
Burke 5 times in El Dorado and Chanute, so I am confidence it was through
Moline several times. I will model all of these for my Howard Branch mode.
Unfortunately the only one I have a photo of is the 1727. I welcome photos
from any source.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Keene" <wakeene@jps.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain ATSF caboose

Jared,

In a word... NO. You will not be alone on such a list... limited as it may
be.

The doodlebug powered mixed trains (#79-80) on the Gridley Branch did not
use a caboose. Even when the motorcar was on occasion replaced with a more
conventional type of motive power, the train carried a
Coach-Baggage-Caboose mixed train combine.

I also believe that Steve Sandifer's Howard Branch operations will be
"cabooseless."

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA




On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:22 AM, almabranch wrote:

Will I be the only steam era Santa Fe modeler that won't have one of the
versions of a steel or wooden caboose on their layout?
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...> wrote:

Thanks Steve,

That's very useful. I'm working on four of these cars right now myself.
I've already decided to use Tahoe Model Works Bettendorf Swing-Motion
trucks, and LaserKit window screens, both of which look more like the
real thing than the kit parts.

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142

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