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Re: New ART Steel Reefer Fans

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jerry Michels wrote:
That being said, some cars had a stencil or a flat metal plate where a fan pulley would be located above the truck. According to Ed Hawkins this might have been to alert employees that the cars had fans.
That's the reason PFE did the same thing, according to the retired Chief Mechanical Officer I interviewed.

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Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ned Carey says:

My current goal is to actually complete some past projects. I have 6 freight cars I plan to have finished by Cocoa Beach.

Here's my list and you can all hold me accountable
2 PSC Van Dyke tank cars
1 Speedwitch Pressed steel tank
2 Sunshine WM DD box
1 Tichy War Emergency Gon
All fine and good. Does that mean that you are bringing them down to Cocoa Beach? If so...I will reserve space for you on my table [ I somehow always seem to manage to find room to display my own stuff, lucky I guess...Strange how Marty Megregian finds room for me...although Armand Premo has been showing me up lately...the guy's prolific ] <G>.

Mike Brock
Marty's Boss


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Run Is In

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ed Hawkins writes:

According to the ART painting & lettering diagram for this scheme used
during the 1950s, the MP emblem was located nearest the "B" end and the
Wabash flag nearest the "A" end (see RP CYC Volume 2 pages 54-55). This
means that the location of the emblems were reversed on opposite sides
of the car.
I note that the reweigh date yr is 1955. Since I hate to model in the future, when might this paint scheme have been implemented? IOW, could an earlier reweigh date be correct for this paint scheme...like in the range 1951-54?

Mike Brock


Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Dennis Williams writes:

"This sounds like something I would like to try. Can I get some details?? Thank you. Dennis"

Easy as....well...letting Greg Martin know TGREGMRTN@aol.com that you wish to be one of the participants in the Shake/Take clinic and then get down to Cocoa Beach, FL Jan 7-9. We don't care HOW you get here...airplane, train [ preferred method ], car, thumb, walk, Missouri mule...

BTW, for those REALLY curious about the car...I have the raw material in boxes out in the train room. So...for...lets call it...well...a bribe, I might be able to disclose certain aspects. BTW, hint...I could use another Athearn Big Boy.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Bigshot


Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
Who can't build one model in a year?

Actually to me it happens regularly. I work on a model until I get stuck and don't know how to proceed. Sometimes it is a part I need, sometimes unclear instructions or often simply figuring out how to hold, fasten, shape, create or install a particular part.

Once the project has stalled another shiny new object comes into view and becomes the next project.

My current goal is to actually complete some past projects. I have 6 freight cars I plan to have finished by Cocoa Beach.

Here's my list and you can all hold me accountable
2 PSC Van Dyke tank cars
1 Speedwitch Pressed steel tank
2 Sunshine WM DD box
1 Tichy War Emergency Gon

Ned Carey


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Run Is In

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I have two questions:

Why is the order of the two heralds reversed on the model from the
prototype photo just above it?
Was the other side of the prototype similarly reversed?
Schuyler,
According to the ART painting & lettering diagram for this scheme used
during the 1950s, the MP emblem was located nearest the "B" end and the
Wabash flag nearest the "A" end (see RP CYC Volume 2 pages 54-55). This
means that the location of the emblems were reversed on opposite sides
of the car.

In the photo of ART 33320, the right side of the car was stenciled
incorrectly since the Wabash flag is closest to the "B" end. It is
unknown how carefully ART followed their own lettering diagram. Most
photos show the diagram was correctly followed, but 33320 was not. For
the model, the diagram was followed.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

Aley, Jeff A
 

Schuyler,

No, never a deep dark secret. The Shake-N-Take car is always announced about a month prior to the meet.

Let's see, Prototype Rails is January 7 - 10, 2010, so we should see an announcement in the next week (or sooner). Be on the lookout for an email that starts, "Hey Yuze Gize...". :)

Regards,

-Jeff



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As you well know, Clark, a deep dark secret until you're in Cocoa . . .

Happy Thanksgiving.

SGL

What's this year's car?
Clark Propst
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Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

Dennis Williams
 

This sounds like something I would like to try. Can I get some details??  Thank you.  Dennis
 
Dennis Williams
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Denny Anspach <danspach@macnexus.org> wrote:


From: Denny Anspach <danspach@macnexus.org>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:59 AM


 



Shake/Take is an outstanding Clinic concept dreamed up by Greg Martin
about four years ago for Prototype Rails, and then executed by Greg
and his partner in the shadows, Jim Singer. The concept was an old
fashioned one: kit bash an existing commercial freight car, core, or
kit to represent an interesting and/or distinctive car not otherwise
modeled or available. The cars done so far: A KCS USRA rebuild box
car; A Kahns Meat Reefer; A PRR 50' welded boxcar; and this years
car, a UP rebuild stock car. The core parts and special decals (if
needed) are donated by very generous manufacturers and individuals.
Greg selects the project, works it up, creates masters (if required)
and then authors basic instructions. Jim researches what's
available, and then rounds up special materials. It is left up to
modeler to provide labor, imagination, skill, and basic raw materials,
i.e. styrene, wire, etc.

The two of them cannot get enough kudos for their sheer generosity.

Although Mike kindly gives me some credit, my *only* function has been
to blather on.

These projects place squarely on the front burner the considerable
traditional skills and creative demands of scratch building coupled
to the very core of those subscribing to the concept of Prototype
modeling, i.e. modeling from photos of the real thing. It is totally
fascinating to me to observe what different "takes" very different
very skilled and imaginative modelers have as to just exactly what
replicating the prototype demands, and then deciding how to replicate
it with the materials available, or- to modify it, finesse it, or
simply ignore it!

To better foster the collaborative nature of these projects, Schuyler
Larabee and Jeff Aley initiated a Shake/Take Yahoo! Group that serves
as a central clearing and meeting house for those working on these
projects. Speaking personally, it has been immensely helpful as other
participants turn up helpful photos, and plans to share. Most helpful
of all are the observations of other modelers as they discuss their
takes and modeling methods, and the compromises that they are willing
or not willing to take. Always startling is a participant pointing out
to the rest of us an essential prototype detail that has been front
and center of every single photo, but has been utterly missed by any
one or more of us (I completely tore out an entire meticulously
fabricated "origami" underframe after one such shameful episode!).

I have not the slightest idea what Greg and Jim have cooked up for the
2010 edition. Right now, I am utterly immersed in completing this
year's project.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento











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Re: joining group

charles slater
 

It's about time Joe. Happy turkey day.

Charlie Slater



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From: thompson@signaturepress.com
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:28:48 -0800
Subject: Re: [STMFC] joining group





Joe Delia wrote:
Thanks for letting me join the group.
Welcome aboard, Joe. Glad to have you, and we'll look forward to
your insights.

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Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Shake/Take is an outstanding Clinic concept dreamed up by Greg Martin about four years ago for Prototype Rails, and then executed by Greg and his partner in the shadows, Jim Singer. The concept was an old fashioned one: kit bash an existing commercial freight car, core, or kit to represent an interesting and/or distinctive car not otherwise modeled or available. The cars done so far: A KCS USRA rebuild box car; A Kahns Meat Reefer; A PRR 50' welded boxcar; and this years car, a UP rebuild stock car. The core parts and special decals (if needed) are donated by very generous manufacturers and individuals. Greg selects the project, works it up, creates masters (if required) and then authors basic instructions. Jim researches what's available, and then rounds up special materials. It is left up to modeler to provide labor, imagination, skill, and basic raw materials, i.e. styrene, wire, etc.

The two of them cannot get enough kudos for their sheer generosity.

Although Mike kindly gives me some credit, my *only* function has been to blather on.

These projects place squarely on the front burner the considerable traditional skills and creative demands of scratch building coupled to the very core of those subscribing to the concept of Prototype modeling, i.e. modeling from photos of the real thing. It is totally fascinating to me to observe what different "takes" very different very skilled and imaginative modelers have as to just exactly what replicating the prototype demands, and then deciding how to replicate it with the materials available, or- to modify it, finesse it, or simply ignore it!

To better foster the collaborative nature of these projects, Schuyler Larabee and Jeff Aley initiated a Shake/Take Yahoo! Group that serves as a central clearing and meeting house for those working on these projects. Speaking personally, it has been immensely helpful as other participants turn up helpful photos, and plans to share. Most helpful of all are the observations of other modelers as they discuss their takes and modeling methods, and the compromises that they are willing or not willing to take. Always startling is a participant pointing out to the rest of us an essential prototype detail that has been front and center of every single photo, but has been utterly missed by any one or more of us (I completely tore out an entire meticulously fabricated "origami" underframe after one such shameful episode!).

I have not the slightest idea what Greg and Jim have cooked up for the 2010 edition. Right now, I am utterly immersed in completing this year's project.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Happy Thanksgiving

Dennis Williams
 

resinbuilders4u.com wishes everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. Dennis Williams Owner


Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

"the rivet counter in me shows up and I just have to make a couple of more changes"...Bruce Smith


Bruce I understand, but that's not what these kits are about. We are to build them as per the very high quality instructions. They offer techniques most have not have tried.

The KCS car is a prime example, most of the 10 or so models that showed up the next year used a different body. I built mine as the "Shake 'n' Take" crew intended. Brought it back to diplay, then gave it away : )))
We were operating on the guys layout I gave it to the other week and the car looks good!

But, I think the bottom line is "You can take a guy to the model, but you can't make him build it".
Clark Propst


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Run Is In

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I have two questions:

Why is the order of the two heralds reversed on the model from the prototype photo just above it?
Was the other side of the prototype similarly reversed?

Is the Rock Island boxcar an assembled model or a kit? It's not clear in the write-up.

SGL

I couldn't make out the reweigh date or the build date from the photos. Can someone offer up the
dates?
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , asychis@... wrote:

Hello everyone!

The Amarillo Railroad Museum and Missouri Pacific Historical Society are
pleased to announce that our newest run of ART steel ice reefers arrived
today. These are painted in the classic reefer yellow and boxcar red scheme
with Missouri Pacific and Wabash heralds and the ART shield. They are
numbered in the 33000 series which denotes 24000 series cars which had Equipco
mechanical fans added in the early 1950s. There are six numbers available,
all are RTR, no kits right now. Price is $32.95 each plus shipping. ARM and
MPHS members get a 10% discount. Texas residents must add 8.25% sales tax.

Order from our web site now: _www.amarillorailmusuem.com_
(http://www.amarillorailmusuem.com <http://www.amarillorailmusuem.com>; ) .

Great Christmas gifts!
There are only 293 cars in this run.
They will soon be listed on e-Bay.

Thanks,

Jerry Michels










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Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

"rockroll50401" <cepropst@netconx.net <mailto:cepropst%40netconx.net> > 11/26/09 8:55 AM >>>
These 'Shake/Take' models the guys come up with are really neat little
challenging projects, very satisfying, if you show the respect of
building them. I really feel bad when I see less than a third show up on
the display table the next year. Who can't build one model in a year?

Clark, if you wait until Nov 1 to start, like I did, then the pressure's
on! Then, in the midst of making progress, the rivet counter in me
shows up and I just have to make a couple of more changes... My S-40-10
will be there, although in what shape I have no idea! I do have an
additional 2 reefers based on the Kahn's project of several years ago
that will I'll bring as well - part of the group of cars that DID get
built this year <G>.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Geez, Bruce, why did you start so early? ;^)

SGL





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Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

As you well know, Clark, a deep dark secret until you're in Cocoa . . .

Happy Thanksgiving.

SGL

What's this year's car?
Clark Propst




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Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

Bruce Smith
 

"rockroll50401" <cepropst@netconx.net> 11/26/09 8:55 AM >>>
These 'Shake/Take' models the guys come up with are really neat little
challenging projects, very satisfying, if you show the respect of
building them. I really feel bad when I see less rhan a third show up on
the display table the next year. Who can't build one model in a year?

Clark, if you wait until Nov 1 to start, like I did, then the pressure's
on! Then, in the midst of making progress, the rivet counter in me
shows up and I just have to make a couple of more changes... My S-40-10
will be there, although in what shape I have no idea! I do have an
additional 2 reefers based on the Kahn's project of several years ago
that will I'll bring as well - part of the group of cars that DID get
built this year <G>.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

These 'Shake/Take' models the guys come up with are really neat little challenging projects, very satisfying, if you show the respect of building them. I really feel bad when I see less rhan a third show up on the display table the next year. Who can't build one model in a year?

Giving thanks for that crew that keeps cranking out the quality projects.

Clark Propst


Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

What's this years car?
Clark Propst


Re: Stan's long stock car

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks, someone emailed the article to me.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...> wrote:

Clark
There is a article in MR January 1998 pp. 94-97 about building a NKP 50 foot car that might help you.
Don Ford
Kanab ut


________________________________
From: Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 8:54:48 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Stan's long stock car

 
I picked up one of Stan Rydarowicz's new 50' Mathers stock cars at Naperville. I'm about finished with assembly.

The kit is basically a P2K stock car with styrene and resin parts for the doors and center extension of the frame.

All parts needed for assembly are included. The instructions made me laugh because they are written just like Stan talks. He did not included several of the assembly steps, so like most small maker kits, you're on your own. He does provide some poor photocopies of the constructed model. I was impressed by the thought Stan put into this model.

This is a time consuming kit. Heck, the P2K kit is time consuming alone. There is no good photo of a completed model or prototype. The decals included do have a drawing of the cars. A friend supplied photos of the prototype which were quite helpful.

Next time I talk to Stan I'll recommend he amends his instructions to make each step clearer to the builder.

The kit is priced at $35. These cars were built in the early 60s, but are so cool I had to have one!

Stan sells an extensive line of resin supplemented kits including several modified reefers.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa











R-40-2 Re: MTH PFE Reefers

pwkrueger <kruegerp@...>
 

I was able to get a picture of the MTH R-40-2 last weekend.

Here it is if anyone is curious....
http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/hh230/pwkrueger/WGH%20Seattle%202009/?action=view&;current=PB210392.jpg

Were all of these cars rebuilt into something else before WW2?

Thanks,
Paul
Seattle, WA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Walters" <eddie_walters@...> wrote:

I just realised, I didn't make it clear I was referring to MTH's HO
line. Not that it seems to be that much different to their O gauge line
in accuracy!

Ed
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Walters" <eddie_walters@> wrote:

I hate to mention toy trains on this list, but perhaps it's worth
getting the record straight on it!

What's the expert opinion on the new MTH PFE reefers shown in their
catalog, along with their articulated UP 4-12-2 and "Operating Action
Cars"... clearly their copy writers have at least skimmed through the
esteemed Mr Thompson's tome on the subject, as they've quoted a
paragraph from it, but is the model actually any good? I have my
doubts, but perhaps eventully MTH will get SOMETHING right and they
would be worth picking up.

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