A common caboose, at least in the NW and built in the '50s and '60s was the
International steel caboose with either standard or wide cupola.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:06 PM, <MOFWCABOOSE@aol.com> wrote:

Attempt #2

The most widespread caboose style seen on several railroads was the
so-called "Northeastern" caboose which was first built by the Reading in
1924. It was an all-steel and slightly lengthened version of an AC&F USRA
design (wooden body; steel underframe) which was offered in 1920. The AC&F
caboose was standard only on the Pittsburg & Shawmut and the Pittsburgh &
West Virginia, but a few ran on other railroads, such as the Central
Vermont.

The "Northeastern" design spread from the Reading to the Central Railroad
of New Jersey, the Lehigh Valley, and the Western Maryland. On those
railroads it became predominate, but the Pittsburgh & West Virginia, Lehigh
& New England and Lehigh & Hudson River each had a few. The L&HR cabooses
were actually wood bodied with steel underframe (a WWII variant), built by
the Reading.

Each railroad's version of the "Northeastern" desigh differed in detail,
much like freight cars.

Most other railroads did have their own characteristic caboose designs. No
one would ever mistake a Pennsylvania Railroad caboose for a New York
Central caboose, or vice versa.

The most characteristic NYC wooden caboose design, three windows followed
by the cupola, was a common style during the steam era. In addition to the
NYC, the configuration was common on the Maine Central, Rutland, Central
Vermont, Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, Missouri Pacific, St. Louis-San
Francisco, Denver & Rio Grande, Western Pacific, and Great Northern. Again,
each railroad's design differed from the others. For example, cupolas on the
NYC cabooses were noticeably squatty, due to low overhead clearances.

The NE5 design was followed by the NE6, which was lower, with a squattier
cupola, and was seen on a number of railroads, especially the New Haven, but
neither design ever became truly widespread.

The "clear vision" or "extended vision" caboose. with the cupola wider then
the car body, was not built commercially until the transition era was over,
but wooden versions were operated in the steam era by PRR, NYC, and CGW.

Most bay window cabooses during the transition era were designs peculiar to
the railroads that owned them.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

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Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:48 am
Subject: [STMFC] Steam-era caboose types?

We TT scale types are in sore need of cabeese models (and everything else,
too). This need is the source of my caboose question (spurred by the
Intermountain caboose thread).

Were there some caboose styles/types from the transition era that could be
found on several railroads, or were most cabeese homebuilt and, thus, not
widespread?

I would think the International bay window caboose of the mid-'50s is one
design that might have been found on multiple railroads. The CGW in the late
'40s began purchasing NE-5's, I recall, which were first rolling on the NH
and B&M, I believe.

Much appreciate any information fellow modelers here can provide.

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

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Attempt #2

The most widespread caboose style seen on several railroads was the so-called "Northeastern" caboose which was first built by the Reading in 1924. It was an all-steel and slightly lengthened version of an AC&F USRA design (wooden body; steel underframe) which was offered in 1920. The AC&F caboose was standard only on the Pittsburg & Shawmut and the Pittsburgh & West Virginia, but a few ran on other railroads, such as the Central Vermont.

The "Northeastern" design spread from the Reading to the Central Railroad of New Jersey, the Lehigh Valley, and the Western Maryland. On those railroads it became predominate, but the Pittsburgh & West Virginia, Lehigh & New England and Lehigh & Hudson River each had a few. The L&HR cabooses were actually wood bodied with steel underframe (a WWII variant), built by the Reading.

Each railroad's version of the "Northeastern" desigh differed in detail, much like freight cars.

Most other railroads did have their own characteristic caboose designs. No one would ever mistake a Pennsylvania Railroad caboose for a New York Central caboose, or vice versa.

The most characteristic NYC wooden caboose design, three windows followed by the cupola, was a common style during the steam era. In addition to the NYC, the configuration was common on the Maine Central, Rutland, Central Vermont, Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, Missouri Pacific, St. Louis-San Francisco, Denver & Rio Grande, Western Pacific, and Great Northern. Again, each railroad's design differed from the others. For example, cupolas on the NYC cabooses were noticeably squatty, due to low overhead clearances.

The NE5 design was followed by the NE6, which was lower, with a squattier cupola, and was seen on a number of railroads, especially the New Haven, but neither design ever became truly widespread.

The "clear vision" or "extended vision" caboose. with the cupola wider then the car body, was not built commercially until the transition era was over, but wooden versions were operated in the steam era by PRR, NYC, and CGW.

Most bay window cabooses during the transition era were designs peculiar to the railroads that owned them.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

Charlie,

I am sure Gary will get them out soon, he indicted to me this weekend that they should be out this week as my order is waiting on them. For those of you who have other manufacturer's M-53 boxcar models and need great lettering, the B&ORRHS is going to offer a four car decal set using the same artwork developed for the WrightTrak kit. The B&O, like many roads, used its own unique lettering shapes and many previous decals did not capture this very well. The HS website should have this item added to the Company Store in a few weeks.

Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Summerfield, NC

Hi folks,

Today's the day!

The studio is ready. The outline has been finalized. The props are finished...well almost.

The crew will be arriving at 4:00 to set up their equipment run tests, and do a full rehearsal (They don't trust me!). then it will be on the air and live at 8:00 p.m.

The pilot episode of "Scotty Mason Live", a one-hour live Internet, streaming video show, will air tonight at 8:00 est. I will be demonstrating in clinic fashion, techniques to finish your scenery.

THIS IS A FREE SHOW!

There will be a link on my website to connect to the program. See you tonight!

Scott
www.scottymason.com

We TT scale types are in sore need of cabeese models (and everything else, too). This need is the source of my caboose question (spurred by the Intermountain caboose thread).

Were there some caboose styles/types from the transition era that could be found on several railroads, or were most cabeese homebuilt and, thus, not widespread?

I would think the International bay window caboose of the mid-'50s is one design that might have been found on multiple railroads. The CGW in the late '40s began purchasing NE-5's, I recall, which were first rolling on the NH and B&M, I believe.

Much appreciate any information fellow modelers here can provide.

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

Good morning Steve & Group,

In my response I was only thinking about trains #95-96.

What I find interesting is the difference in freight traffic between the Howard Branch and the Gridley Branch. The two of them being more or less just over the hill from each other. This difference is not so much in the amount of traffic; thou there is much less traffic on the lint to Gridley; but in the type of traffic. There were no rock trains on the Gridley Branch. And where there were several stock extras on the Howard Branch, there were less on the Gridley Branch. And work extras were few on its dirt ballasted route.

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Nov 29, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Steve Sandifer wrote:

The regularly scheduled 95/96 trains on the Howard branch ran with a mixed
combine until 1960. However, there were occasional stock, rock, and work
extra on the branch. In addition, the Howard interchanged with the South
Kansas Division at Moline and the Eastern Division at Emporia, both served
by "caboose" trains.

In going through the documentation of James Burke I found mention of 1727 on
the S. Kansas at Moline, the 1375 (wood side) at Moline, and the 1901 on
four occasions at Climax or Eureka with a stock extra. The 1893 was seen by
Burke 5 times in El Dorado and Chanute, so I am confidence it was through
Moline several times. I will model all of these for my Howard Branch mode.
Unfortunately the only one I have a photo of is the 1727. I welcome photos
from any source.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417

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From: "William Keene" <wakeene@jps.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain ATSF caboose

Jared,

In a word... NO. You will not be alone on such a list... limited as it may
be.

The doodlebug powered mixed trains (#79-80) on the Gridley Branch did not
use a caboose. Even when the motorcar was on occasion replaced with a more
conventional type of motive power, the train carried a
Coach-Baggage-Caboose mixed train combine.

I also believe that Steve Sandifer's Howard Branch operations will be
"cabooseless."

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA




On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:22 AM, almabranch wrote:

Will I be the only steam era Santa Fe modeler that won't have one of the
versions of a steel or wooden caboose on their layout?
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...> wrote:

Thanks Steve,

That's very useful. I'm working on four of these cars right now myself.
I've already decided to use Tahoe Model Works Bettendorf Swing-Motion
trucks, and LaserKit window screens, both of which look more like the
real thing than the kit parts.

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142

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Thanks Jerry!

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

I have posted two files from John Moore on the Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society website.

1. Freight Cars not used in Interchange Remaining to be Equipped with "AB" Brakes as of 12-1-52.

2. Interchange Freight Cars Remaining to be Equipped with "AB" Brakes as of 12-1-52.

Steve,

Thanks for posting these resources!

John Hile

Brian;

Having done cars with Champ, Walthers, and Jack Consoli's decals, I heartily
recommend the latter. I am finishing up a PS-1 using Jack's decals, and they
are really sharp and accurate.

BTW, if you are considering doing the 1500 series boxes, recommend you get
the Mainline Modeler issue that has Bob Hundman's article on these ex-NKP
cars, the Paul Dunn photo of that car, plus a good Viking roof.

I look forward to seeing your model!

Elden Gatwood

If you want to head up to Tampa, Happy Hobo is an excellent shop. Maybe combine the trip with a visit to Tarpon Springs and some excellent Greek food.

Jerry Glow

Thanks John!

Another Duryea underframe class and am wondering if anyone might have suggestions for trucks, and is this an enclosed underframe.

Car numbers 282000-283149

Thanks in advance.
Mark Morgan

At the risk of being in moderation jail because this is quite off-topic for this group:

There are no decent hobby shops now any closer then Naples (Family Hobby Center, 155 10th Street North), which is about a 35-mile slog from Fort Myers Beach.

There is a model railroad club in North Ft. Myers, Scale Rails of Southwest Florida, and another layout (sometimes open to the public) at Shell Point Retirement Community, and another at a development in Bonita Springs (open by appointment), the details of which escape me at the moment. Both of these latter layouts are occasionally written up in the papers at this time of year.

In Naples there is a small railroad museum at the old Seaboard Station downtown, and operated in conjunction with it, a very large Lionel layout. This operation is on the left about one block after US41 turns sharply to the east in downtown Naples.

And that is all I know about in SW Florida.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

Jim Brewer wrote:

If I get bored drinking Coronas on the beach, I'd like to check out the local model rr scene! :-)

Alternatively, drink a tastier beer and you won't get so bored <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

All,



My wife and I will be vacationing at Ft. Myers Beach in early December.  Are there any decent hobby shops within a reasonable area?  Last time I was in that area I found a hobby shop in Cape Coral, but it was RC planes/boats, etc; no trains.  There was a hobby shop listed in the Yellow Pages off RT 41, but it had closed and gone out of business.



If I get bored drinking Coronas on the beach, I'd like to check out the local model rr scene! :-)



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD


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Thanks, Jerry, sorry for a delayed reply; I was away.

SGL

Why is the order of the two heralds reversed on the model from the
prototype photo just above it?
Was the other side of the prototype similarly reversed?

Typically the MP herald was toward the B end of the car, but as you can see
from the prototype photo, this wasn't always the case. I do not have a
photo of the other side of the prototype, but if the paint shop followed
directions, it should be reversed from this side.

Is the Rock Island boxcar an assembled model or a kit? It's not clear in
the write-up.

Assembled

Jerry Michels

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The regularly scheduled 95/96 trains on the Howard branch ran with a mixed combine until 1960. However, there were occasional stock, rock, and work extra on the branch. In addition, the Howard interchanged with the South Kansas Division at Moline and the Eastern Division at Emporia, both served by "caboose" trains.

In going through the documentation of James Burke I found mention of 1727 on the S. Kansas at Moline, the 1375 (wood side) at Moline, and the 1901 on four occasions at Climax or Eureka with a stock extra. The 1893 was seen by Burke 5 times in El Dorado and Chanute, so I am confidence it was through Moline several times. I will model all of these for my Howard Branch mode. Unfortunately the only one I have a photo of is the 1727. I welcome photos from any source.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Denis F. Blake" <dblake7@...> wrote:

Yes, we are still in business. the car is shown on the front page of the
website at www.wrighttrak.com I know that Gary and his wife were going to
be updating the page this weekend.

Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models, LLC
-

Maybe you can let them know that the M53 does not appear on the pull down menu of their order form (all of their other models appear to be on the order form )
Regards, Jim Cummings









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From: "jimbojk2003" <jkcummings@...>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Wright Trak Models HO M53/M53A wagon top boxcar

I've been trying to order the HO M53/M53A boxcar on their site with no
luck. Are they still in business ?
Jim Cummings



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I would have liked to be in the Shake and Take group last year, but somehow I missed the call. A stock car is something I can use on my layout.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Jared,

In a word... NO. You will not be alone on such a list... limited as it may be.

The doodlebug powered mixed trains (#79-80) on the Gridley Branch did not use a caboose. Even when the motorcar was on occasion replaced with a more conventional type of motive power, the train carried a Coach-Baggage-Caboose mixed train combine.

I also believe that Steve Sandifer's Howard Branch operations will be "cabooseless."

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA




On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:22 AM, almabranch wrote:

Will I be the only steam era Santa Fe modeler that won't have one of the versions of a steel or wooden caboose on their layout?
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...> wrote:

Thanks Steve,

That's very useful. I'm working on four of these cars right now myself. I've already decided to use Tahoe Model Works Bettendorf Swing-Motion trucks, and LaserKit window screens, both of which look more like the real thing than the kit parts.

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


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