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Re: Brass tank car

Craig Wilson
 

I recall a discussion of this car a while ago.  It does have a prototype albeit not a common one.  Arnt Gerritsen (draftsman and researcher for Overland Models) found it at the NIPSCO power plant in Michigan City Indiana.  At the time it was used for storage and was not in interchange service.  I don't believe any photos of a similar car have ever surfaced.  Arnt said it had a private reporting mark for NIPSCO but no evidence of any previous mark (GATX, ACFX, etc).  I painted one of these models for a friend years ago and lacking any other information we went though the equipment register listing for GATX and picked a number from an "empty" series.  You could do the same and just hide it when the prototype police show up at the door.

Craig Wilson


Re: Brass tank car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Good point John.  I also have the two dohme model which was produced at the same time. I also have some reservations about the sizing of that one.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
Date: 8/16/20 5:12 PM (GMT-10:00)
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brass tank car

On 8/16/2020 6:46 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

The top photo is Tangent and Overland.

    Excellent photo however the original discussion was about a brass 2 dome tank car.

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Re: Brass tank car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 8/16/2020 6:46 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

The top photo is Tangent and Overland.

    Excellent photo however the original discussion was about a brass 2 dome tank car.

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Re: Brass tank car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

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FOR COMPARISON:

The top photo is Tangent and Overland.  While I was there I tossed in a Tangent and Precision Scale photo.

Bilol Pardie


Re: Brass tank car

mopacfirst
 

I get what Bruce is saying, look at the rivet lines where the internal heads are attached.  Now subtract a good bit of the distance between the pairs of rivet lines, which is dead air space (the volume outside of the heads, that are attached by those pairs of rivet lines).  If these were separate tanks, it would be more obvious. That may account for a lot of the difference in volume you're discussing.

A separate issue is the fact that, for whatever reason, two-compartment tanks are much rarer than three-compartment ones.

Ron Merrick


Re: Brass tank car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 8/16/2020 4:25 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
Tangent three dome car and set it next to the Overland car.

    The Tangent tank is a 6K car.  The Ajin is an 8K and maybe the size of a 9K as Bruce Smith said.  The size difference is very obvious.

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Re: Brass tank car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Overland did many excellent models of freight cars, however, they also did a few that are questionable.
I have both the two and three dohmw models which I detailed and painted back in the eighties.
I was pleased with them until recently.  I purchased a Tangent three dome car and set it next to the Overland car.  It looked like one was HO and the other N scale.  I I got the old Mainline Modeler article on yhree dome cars from Mike Schliegh.
The Overland model seemed to be oversized. zThe domes were certainly larger than any photos that zi found.

I would certainly like to vindicate these cars by finding out what Overland used for their research.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Date: 8/16/20 12:51 PM (GMT-10:00)
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brass tank car

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 01:02 PM, vapeurchapelon wrote:

Johannes,

Do not forget that on a two dome tank car, there are two compartments. The center end of each tank has a hemispherical end riveted into the car, giving the additional rivet lines on the car side. Thus, there is a space between the two tanks that makes the tank appear larger than its actual capacity. While I don't have the model in question to measure, I suspect that the size of the tank on the model is actually accurate.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

> The model is supposed to be an 8000 gal car, but the tank unfortunately is
> somewhat larger, I would guess about 9000 when I compare with a true 8000 and
> a 10000 gal car.




Re: Brass tank car

Bruce Smith
 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 01:02 PM, vapeurchapelon wrote:

Johannes,

Do not forget that on a two dome tank car, there are two compartments. The center end of each tank has a hemispherical end riveted into the car, giving the additional rivet lines on the car side. Thus, there is a space between the two tanks that makes the tank appear larger than its actual capacity. While I don't have the model in question to measure, I suspect that the size of the tank on the model is actually accurate.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

The model is supposed to be an 8000 gal car, but the tank unfortunately is
somewhat larger, I would guess about 9000 when I compare with a true 8000 and
a 10000 gal car.


Re: Interesting cars on the left

David Smith
 

Just messaged the seller on eBay. I’ll pass on anything interesting he knows. 


Dave


Re: What's on my workbench

Richard Townsend
 

Are there decals available for these cars?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2020 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What's on my workbench

David,

As I correct in assuming that these two cars had diagonal panel roofs after rebuilding?

These are both cars I've contemplated kitbashing from Front Range bodies for a long time. Will I ever get to them? I don't know.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 9:47 AM David via groups.io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
These are mid-'50s rebuilds of N&W's round-roof box cars originally in
classes B-1 and B-2.

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns3254
https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns2907

David Thompson





What's on my workbench

David
 

The drawing does show a diagonal-panel roof.
https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=15608

David Thompson


Re: Brass tank car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 8/16/2020 11:02 AM, vapeurchapelon wrote:
I suppose it's this one?:

    Appears to be.  Notice that yours has 2 ladders on one side only.  Mine has only one ladder on both sides.  I have no box!  I bought second hand so have no idea what the original owner did to it.  $200 WOW!

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Re: Brass tank car

vapeurchapelon
 

Jello Jon,
 
I suppose it's this one?:
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Overland-3131-HO-BRASS-ACF-8-000-Gal-Double-Dome-Tank-Car-Unpainted-EX-Box/392901430442?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
 
I, too have one of these. Don't know much about accuracy, but two ladders on one side is somewhat odd, although about a year ago there has been linked a photo of a similar car here in this group. Would have to look where I have that Email.
The model is supposed to be an 8000 gal car, but the tank unfortunately is somewhat larger, I would guess about 9000 when I compare with a true 8000 and a 10000 gal car. But it doesn't hurt me much as I would run the car lonely between other than tank cars.
I soldered on the brake hoses and coupler lift bars and converted to Tahoe trucks - and in my eyes it is a very nice model.
 
I am also VERY interested in decals, but for the early post-war years.
 
Regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Brass tank car

    I have a nice looking brass tank car.  It's 2 dome and etched on the bottom of the frame is AJIN,   10-1988.  It is painted gloss black and that's the way I bought it.  It has trucks with .066 (+/-) wheel sets which is interesting.  Bought years ago (probably eBay) and wonder if anyone knows of available decals (for my time era) that would work.  Also how accurate is this car?  I think there is 1 in the CBC's that match.

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Brass tank car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

    I have a nice looking brass tank car.  It's 2 dome and etched on the bottom of the frame is AJIN,   10-1988.  It is painted gloss black and that's the way I bought it.  It has trucks with .066 (+/-) wheel sets which is interesting.  Bought years ago (probably eBay) and wonder if anyone knows of available decals (for my time era) that would work.  Also how accurate is this car?  I think there is 1 in the CBC's that match.

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Re: What's on my workbench

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

David,

As I correct in assuming that these two cars had diagonal panel roofs after rebuilding?

These are both cars I've contemplated kitbashing from Front Range bodies for a long time. Will I ever get to them? I don't know.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 9:47 AM David via groups.io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
These are mid-'50s rebuilds of N&W's round-roof box cars originally in
classes B-1 and B-2.

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns3254
https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns2907

David Thompson





Re: WM Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #3

Nelson Moyer
 

Nicely done, Bob. I need to pay more attention to some of the plastic kit upgrades on my list, and you’re providing lots of inspiration.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] WM Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #3

 

WM #4009 was one of series #4001-4050 built 7/51. The prototype featured a 7-foot panel door with unusual rib spacing at panel #3 to accommodate the tack board, improved dreadnaught ends, and a diagonal panel roof.

 

The Front Range model’s deep-fishbelly sidesill was modified to duplicate the prototype’s tabbed design, and its eight-foot door opening narrowed to the prototype’s seven feet. The height of the third panel of a Detail Associates door was increased to match the prototype’s unusual spacing. Other detail adds include Kadee 7/7 ladders/grabs/Equipco brakewheel, Yarmouth Apex runningboard, and Kato ASF A-3 trucks. Decals are Speedwitch.      

 

Regards,

Bob Chapman

 

 


Re: WM Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #3

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Bob, I especially like the way you handled the door.  Where do you get your door hardware from?
I will have a few Front Range and CB&T cars to enter into the "I wanna model the older plastic kits like Bob" contest in a few days.
Love what you are doing keep it up
Fenton

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Robert Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:
WM #4009 was one of series #4001-4050 built 7/51. The prototype featured a 7-foot panel door with unusual rib spacing at panel #3 to accommodate the tack board, improved dreadnaught ends, and a diagonal panel roof.

The Front Range model’s deep-fishbelly sidesill was modified to duplicate the prototype’s tabbed design, and its eight-foot door opening narrowed to the prototype’s seven feet. The height of the third panel of a Detail Associates door was increased to match the prototype’s unusual spacing. Other detail adds include Kadee 7/7 ladders/grabs/Equipco brakewheel, Yarmouth Apex runningboard, and Kato ASF A-3 trucks. Decals are Speedwitch.      

Regards,
Bob Chapman




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WM Postwar AAR Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #3

Bob Chapman
 

WM #4009 was one of series #4001-4050 built 7/51. The prototype featured a 7-foot panel door with unusual rib spacing at panel #3 to accommodate the tack board, improved dreadnaught ends, and a diagonal panel roof.

The Front Range model’s deep-fishbelly sidesill was modified to duplicate the prototype’s tabbed design, and its eight-foot door opening narrowed to the prototype’s seven feet. The height of the third panel of a Detail Associates door was increased to match the prototype’s unusual spacing. Other detail adds include Kadee 7/7 ladders/grabs/Equipco brakewheel, Yarmouth Apex runningboard, and Kato ASF A-3 trucks. Decals are Speedwitch.      

Regards,
Bob Chapman



What's on my workbench

David
 

These are mid-'50s rebuilds of N&W's round-roof box cars originally in classes B-1 and B-2.

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns3254
https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns2907

David Thompson


Re: Interesting cars on the left

tommy boyle
 

The railroad in the photo is the Boston & Maine Regards, Tom Travers

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