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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PLE 6889 HD flat was PRR Gondola 384661

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

Here’s a good photo of 6889 in that group of five. 

 

The wheel car is behind it.

 

What an incredibly cool car!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 6:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

 

Hi Garth,

 

Looking into my 12-1930 ORER, I see that P&LE has very few flat cars - in fact, this is all I could find:

 

P&LE 6883-6884  30ft length  150,000 lb  (2 cars total)
P&LE 6885-6889  36ft length  200,000 lb  (5 cars total)

 

If I strain my eyes, and use a little imagination, I could just about get myself to say that the number on the side of the flatcar image you send reads as "6884".

 

The image is dated 1941 (11 years later than my ORER), but it might be as simple as it's got to be one of these 7 cars, and 6884 just might be it! If this is so, you found one member of a two-car class - wow!

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

 

Friends,

 

Did anyone else notice what appears to be a rather short P&LE flat car on the hill just above the gondola? I was able to pull the attached photo off the web site. Can't read the number.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:34 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Intermountain HO Scale Roof Needed

Tim O'Connor
 


John, I have extra IMWX - Red Caboose roofs you can have.


On 7/12/2020 11:05 AM, golden1014 via groups.io wrote:
Hi Guys,

Does anyone have a spare roof for an Intermountain 1937 box car?  I'm rebuilding an old Sunshine war emergency car and am in need of a replacement roof.  The original part was too big, but after a few measurements a replacement from Intermountain--or Red Caboose I guess--will work.

If you've got something please let me know offline at Golden1014@....

Danke!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany



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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

pdnapp
 

Garth, I think this is the P&LE 30' flat in the background. 

There was an article about this car in the American Engineer and Railroad Journal 1905, page 324 (although for online scrolling purposes, it's page 344).

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Friends,

Did anyone else notice what appears to be a rather short P&LE flat car on the hill just above the gondola? I was able to pull the attached photo off the web site. Can't read the number.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:34 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: PRR Gondola 384661
A 1941 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: NKP 50ft double door box cars some with Viking roofs questions

Tim O'Connor
 


Elwood I am under the impression these cars can be modeled with the Proto 2000 models with
replacement Viking roofs. That's what I did, anyway.

The D&TS photo appears to be a car painted in their "oxide red" scheme, not blue. All of the blue cars
I've seen are postwar box cars.

Oops, hah! I called you Elwood. Sorry Elden. :-D







On 7/13/2020 11:15 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Thanks again, Tim!  I think they are fascinating cars, and worthy of at least a resin kit, but auto and auto parts cars seem strangely of less interest.  Sunshine did a nice group of auto parts cars, but I expect this was a pattern-maker interest not general public.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 11:00 AM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP 50ft double door box cars some with Viking roofs questions

 


Elden, some of the them were sold to the D&TS


On 7/10/2020 10:49 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Group;

 

I have searched in vain for my copy of the MM issue in which Bob Hundman outlined the NKP all-steel 50-foot double door box cars, in two series, one of which had Viking roofs.

 

Does anyone on the list know much about these cars?  Were they built for automobile or auto parts service?  I know NKP had plants on-line.

 

They look unique in several ways.  Did some have racks?  Were some or all originally “Damage Free” cars, or did that come later?

 

Do you know anything about the cars that went to P&WV?  They appear to have stenciling that would indicate as assignment.  Any idea to whom?  See attached.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Elden Gatwood

 


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Photos: Pittsburgh, McKeesport & Youghiogheny Hoppers 63133 With Coal Loads

David
 

C&O had 3000 similar skirted quads built in 1916-7, but theirs were all "rebodied" into USRA triples and offset quads a decade later. SSC built another batch of these for several industrial users in 1920, and many of those eventually found their way to NYC or P&LE. Interstate leased 99 of the KOPX cars for a while in the 1920s, though.

David Thompson


B&M 7200 series

David
 

Is this the series of cars that ended up on the B&M as the B&M 7200 series (new to B&M in 1962)?

??https://www.bmrrhs.org/hopper_7200_series/

If that group is ex-WM, then the ORER dimensions given are very wrong. If the ORER is correct, then the cars are not ex-WM.
70-ton trucks on a hopper that size are very uncommon.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: Ward Boiler On Illinois Central Flatcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:21 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:

Interesting trucks of a design I don’t recall ever seeing before. Wonder what the height of the

deck above the rail is for tis IC flat car?

Don, Those are Ajax trucks, an early cast steel pedestal type truck. If you squint hard at the photo, you can barely see AJAX cast in large letters in the sideframe. Ajax trucks, which were manufactured by American Steel Foundries early in the twentieth century, rate one photo in the 1906 Car Builder's Dictionary. That better photo shows that the bolster or transoms (I haven't determined if these are floating bolster trucks) attach to the top of the sideframe, so the center plate is at normal height.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Garth,
 
Looking into my 12-1930 ORER, I see that P&LE has very few flat cars - in fact, this is all I could find:
 
P&LE 6883-6884  30ft length  150,000 lb  (2 cars total)
P&LE 6885-6889  36ft length  200,000 lb  (5 cars total)
 
If I strain my eyes, and use a little imagination, I could just about get myself to say that the number on the side of the flatcar image you send reads as "6884".
 
The image is dated 1941 (11 years later than my ORER), but it might be as simple as it's got to be one of these 7 cars, and 6884 just might be it! If this is so, you found one member of a two-car class - wow!
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Friends,

Did anyone else notice what appears to be a rather short P&LE flat car on the hill just above the gondola? I was able to pull the attached photo off the web site. Can't read the number.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:34 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Erie 1937 AAR Boxcar – IMWX Upgrade #2

O Fenton Wells
 

Good looking build and nothing better than making lemonade out of lemons.
Fenton

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:17 PM Robert Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:
Upon opening the second of my two 1937 AAR IMWX boxcar kits from my deep stash, I discovered not much more than a carbody. No roof, no detail sprue. Then came the recall – the kit was a parts donor for a kitbash project. 

The missing roof presented the opportunity to substitute a Viking roof from Des Plaines Hobbies, and the missing parts to be replaced with contemporary upgrades. Among 1937 AAR’s equipped with the Viking roof was the Erie, an good prototype to further diversify the boxcar fleet.

Added details include Tichy 8/8 ladders, Apex running board from Yarmouth Models, Kadee Ajax brakewheel, and the interesting National Type B trucks from Proto 2000. The prototype had grabs with brackets much smaller than Kadee’s -- almost looking like wire grabs. Decals are Speedwitch Media.

The prototype often sported black ends and sometimes a black roof; I opted for both. I'll welcome any suggestions and/or photos re a weathering approach that would look credible on a black Viking roof....

The missing parts proved a stroke of good fortune, resulting in a distinctive model.

Regards,
Bob Chapman 


 



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Re: Erie 1937 AAR Boxcar – IMWX Upgrade #2

Brian Carlson
 

Bob. I’m working on one of these. Waist paint color did you use? 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 13, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Robert Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:


Upon opening the second of my two 1937 AAR IMWX boxcar kits from my deep stash, I discovered not much more than a carbody. No roof, no detail sprue. Then came the recall – the kit was a parts donor for a kitbash project. 

The missing roof presented the opportunity to substitute a Viking roof from Des Plaines Hobbies, and the missing parts to be replaced with contemporary upgrades. Among 1937 AAR’s equipped with the Viking roof was the Erie, an good prototype to further diversify the boxcar fleet.

Added details include Tichy 8/8 ladders, Apex running board from Yarmouth Models, Kadee Ajax brakewheel, and the interesting National Type B trucks from Proto 2000. The prototype had grabs with brackets much smaller than Kadee’s -- almost looking like wire grabs. Decals are Speedwitch Media.

The prototype often sported black ends and sometimes a black roof; I opted for both. I'll welcome any suggestions and/or photos re a weathering approach that would look credible on a black Viking roof....

The missing parts proved a stroke of good fortune, resulting in a distinctive model.

Regards,
Bob Chapman 


 
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<Erie 1937 IMWX+.jpg>


Erie 1937 AAR Boxcar – IMWX Upgrade #2

Bob Chapman
 

Upon opening the second of my two 1937 AAR IMWX boxcar kits from my deep stash, I discovered not much more than a carbody. No roof, no detail sprue. Then came the recall – the kit was a parts donor for a kitbash project. 

The missing roof presented the opportunity to substitute a Viking roof from Des Plaines Hobbies, and the missing parts to be replaced with contemporary upgrades. Among 1937 AAR’s equipped with the Viking roof was the Erie, an good prototype to further diversify the boxcar fleet.

Added details include Tichy 8/8 ladders, Apex running board from Yarmouth Models, Kadee Ajax brakewheel, and the interesting National Type B trucks from Proto 2000. The prototype had grabs with brackets much smaller than Kadee’s -- almost looking like wire grabs. Decals are Speedwitch Media.

The prototype often sported black ends and sometimes a black roof; I opted for both. I'll welcome any suggestions and/or photos re a weathering approach that would look credible on a black Viking roof....

The missing parts proved a stroke of good fortune, resulting in a distinctive model.

Regards,
Bob Chapman 


 


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Did anyone else notice what appears to be a rather short P&LE flat car on the hill just above the gondola? I was able to pull the attached photo off the web site. Can't read the number.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:34 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Match and Strawboard Making

Matt Goodman
 

Thanks Eric - I’ll take a look through. It might fill out some of more details on strawboard in general. The ownership part is turning out to be a real rabbit hole - mainly thanks to Barber being involved in merging 22 strawboard companies into American Strawboard. At some point, I need to limit the scope creep. Maybe once the web page is done.

Thomas, Eric’s link may answer your question about Rittman. Barber moved the his Strawboard works from New Portage to Barberton around 1891. The source described the latter being west of the former, so… maybe?

Sources: Portage Strawboard (also search on Barberton for additional detail)

Matt

On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

This Atlas and Industrial Geography of Summit County (Ohio) is a fascinating look back at Akron, Barberton, and other communities. The maps are similar to Sanborn maps but document the infrastructure. Barberton index is on page 85. Maps featuring Diamond Match, American Strawboard, Babcock & Wilcox, and the American Sewer Pipe plant (later becoming American Vitrified) are on pages 87, 88, and 93.
 
Barberton would make a great setting for manageable sized steam era layout. Don’t miss the pages in the last third of the book with period images of factories, homes, and businesses.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Klosterman
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 8:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Match and Strawboard Making
 
Yes, indeed, Barberton was New Portage early on. The location of the central part of each was not the quite same, but geographically close. The center of Barberton is a little south of New Portage, both on the Ohio Canal.

Are the early (or any of) these  companies related to the paper box company in Rittman, Ohio? This is west of Barberton on the old Erie.  I think it had the name of Ohio Straw Board for a while. 



Re: Floquil laquer over Tamiya Primer

Gary Ray
 

Thanks, Tony.  Going out to airbrush now.

Gary Ray

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Floquil laquer over Tamiya Primer

 

Gary Ray wrote:



I’m painting some aluminum siding and have primed it with Tamiya Primer.  I’m using some of my old Floquil.  Am I safe airbrushing it over the Tamiya?

 

     I have done the same with no problem, but I airbrush so the paint arrives not very wet, so my experience might not be definitive. 

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 




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Re: Floquil laquer over Tamiya Primer

Tony Thompson
 

Gary Ray wrote:

I’m painting some aluminum siding and have primed it with Tamiya Primer.  I’m using some of my old Floquil.  Am I safe airbrushing it over the Tamiya?


     I have done the same with no problem, but I airbrush so the paint arrives not very wet, so my experience might not be definitive. 

Tony Thompson




Floquil laquer over Tamiya Primer

Gary Ray
 

I’m painting some aluminum siding and have primed it with Tamiya Primer.  I’m using some of my old Floquil.  Am I safe airbrushing it over the Tamiya?

Thanks in advance,

Gary Ray

Magalia, CA

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Re: Non-standard height 1923 ARA Steel boxcars

Kevin von der Lippe
 

HPT&D did indeed sell off 20 of their 10’ IH 1923 ARA cars, per a letter to the O.C. Duryea Corp. dated November 1948, to the Exporting and Importing Company of Dallas, Texas.  According to the correspondence, ten of those cars went to Texas for ultimate use in Mexico.  The other ten were shipped to FEC in Jacksonville for repairs, ultimately ending up on the West India Fruit & Steamship Company.

 

Kevin W. von der Lippe

Oak Ridge, NC

 


Re: Intermountain HO Scale Roof Needed

Brian Carlson
 

John. I don’t any spare, But get the red caboose or IMWX one.  The Intermountain rectangular panel roof is tooled incorrectly. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 13, 2020, at 2:21 PM, golden1014 via groups.io <golden1014@...> wrote:


Hi Guys,

Does anyone have a spare roof for an Intermountain 1937 box car?  I'm rebuilding an old Sunshine war emergency car and am in need of a replacement roof.  The original part was too big, but after a few measurements a replacement from Intermountain--or Red Caboose I guess--will work.

If you've got something please let me know offline at Golden1014@....

Danke!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany

RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/


Intermountain HO Scale Roof Needed

golden1014
 

Hi Guys,

Does anyone have a spare roof for an Intermountain 1937 box car?  I'm rebuilding an old Sunshine war emergency car and am in need of a replacement roof.  The original part was too big, but after a few measurements a replacement from Intermountain--or Red Caboose I guess--will work.

If you've got something please let me know offline at Golden1014@....

Danke!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany

RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/


Re: Photo: Ward Boiler On Illinois Central Flatcar

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

   Interesting trucks of a design I don’t recall ever seeing before. Wonder what the height of the

deck above the rail is for tis IC flat car? Unless the body bolster is quite thick it would seem that

a lower deck height might be available with such trucks.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

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