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Re: GM&O color recommendation

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes, the CN Red #11 has a rich oxide color, not as bright as the regular
Scalecoat Oxide Red (SC #2), The Red #12 is a deeper more Tuscan Red.

Scalecoat also nows makes SC-87 (Boxcar Red #2) and SC-88 (Boxcar Red #3)
and SC-81 (PRR Freight Car Red) as well as the old SC-13 (Boxcar Red) which
has a slightly more maroonish hue. They're all great for mixing & matching!

Tim O'Connor

At 1/24/2010 08:30 AM Sunday, you wrote:
It may have been a slip or typo but Scalecoat #11 is what Ed told me. I suspect he meant the CN red #11 as Armand pointed out. I don't know it's accuracy but notice Modelflex has a paint called GM&O red;
#16-75 on http://www.tcpglobal.com/airbrushdepot/modelf.html
although that was probably for locomotives and passenger cars.
from my painting days this O-scale Alco with custom graphics:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/files/gmo1.jpg

Jerry Glow


Re: Removing Athearn Lettering

Tim O'Connor
 

When I recently stripped an Athearn 65' gondola in Chameleon stripper
I noticed the lettering sloughed off easily and separately from the
paint. So from this clue, if I wanted just to remove the letters, I
would first try to put a little stripper on a Q-Tip and see if that
would soften the letters without damaging the paint... Don't use any
stripper with isopropyl alcohol because that will really go after the
paint Athearn (i.e. China) is using now!

Tim O'Connor

At 1/23/2010 11:22 PM Saturday, you wrote:
I have an inquiry from a modeler who is not on this list about how to
remove lettering from an Athearn Santa Fe 50' refrigerator car
model. As I have no experience removing lettering (but not paint)
from current Athearn products, I would appreciate hearing from some
list subscribers who have done so. Thanks!

Richard Hendrickson


Re: GM&O color recommendation

Tim O'Connor
 

Armand

Yes my bottles say CN Lines SIG Red #11 and Red #12, but there
is no Scalecoat catalog number. I bought mine at Des Plaines Hobbies
and I think it was a custom mix for the CN SIG.

The Scalecoat CN Lines SIG Orange #12 is darn close to PFE Orange...

Tim O'Connor

At 1/23/2010 09:36 PM Saturday, you wrote:
I believe that Scalecoat makes a special paint labeled CN # 11 which may be close to GM&O red.Armand Premo
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Re: GM&O color recommendation

rdietrichson
 

Bob,
Can you please contact me off line Re: decals.
Thanks
Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob McCarthy
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] GM&O color recommendation



Good evening!

Can anyone state which colors by FLOQUIL can be combined to produce the correct color for GM&O boxcars in the late 1940's?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 7:17:14 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GM&O color recommendation


Jerry

Scalecoat #11 is White!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I just noticed on the Walthers web site that Scalecoat is sold
in 1 oz bottles! I have never seen a 1 oz bottle of Scalecoat. Is this
a new thing?

At 12/1/2009 12:14 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
>Thanks. Ed also replied off list that Scalecoat #11 is a good match.
>
>Jerry Glow
>
>--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:
>>
>> Jerry, The only info I can find deals with Accu-Paint. This was in the chart in Ed Hawkins RPC #3.
>> Â
>> Postwar Red Oxide 1 part #12 Oxide Brown + 1 part #54 Rich Oxide Brown
>> 1940's Red Brown           #12 Oxide Brown
>> Â
>> #12 long discontinued and of course Accu-Paint is out of business. Tru-Color has some Oxide Browns. I too wish that Modelflex would add the Oxide shades along with Mineral Brown & Red.
>> Â
>> Rich
>> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, jerryglow@.. . <jerryglow@. ..> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: jerryglow@.. . <jerryglow@. ..>
>>
>> ......... What's a good color recommendation for GM&O for this era into the '50s?
>>
>> Jerry Glow

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Re: GM&O color recommendation

Paul Lyons
 

Yes Ben, So well stated! I spend a great deal of time on construction sites, so I can certainly relate.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA.

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2010 6:28 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: GM&O color recommendation




Armand Premo wrote:
"It should be obvious that Jerry was looking for a red."

You've never had Sailors or junior officers working for you. What is
obvious for you and me doesn't work for a surprising number of people.

Ben Hom







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Re: GM&O color recommendation

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Armand Premo wrote:
"It should be obvious that Jerry was looking for a red."

You've never had Sailors or junior officers working for you. What is
obvious for you and me doesn't work for a surprising number of people.


Ben Hom


Re: GM&O color recommendation

jerryglow2
 

It may have been a slip or typo but Scalecoat #11 is what Ed told me. I suspect he meant the CN red #11 as Armand pointed out. I don't know it's accuracy but notice Modelflex has a paint called GM&O red;
#16-75 on http://www.tcpglobal.com/airbrushdepot/modelf.html
although that was probably for locomotives and passenger cars.
from my painting days this O-scale Alco with custom graphics:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/files/gmo1.jpg

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "A. Premo" <armprem2@...> wrote:

Ben,It should be obvious that Jerry was looking for a red.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Hom
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: GM&O color recommendation



Armand Premo wrote:
"I believe that Scalecoat makes a special paint labeled CN # 11 which may be
close to GM&O red."

Careful, Armand. When referencing the CN SIG paint designations, one must
give both colour and number.
http://cnlines.ca/modelling/paint.php

Ben Hom






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Re: GM&O color recommendation

Armand Premo
 

Ben,It should be obvious that Jerry was looking for a red.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Hom
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: GM&O color recommendation



Armand Premo wrote:
"I believe that Scalecoat makes a special paint labeled CN # 11 which may be
close to GM&O red."

Careful, Armand. When referencing the CN SIG paint designations, one must
give both colour and number.
http://cnlines.ca/modelling/paint.php

Ben Hom






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Removing Athearn Lettering

Richard Hendrickson
 

I have an inquiry from a modeler who is not on this list about how to
remove lettering from an Athearn Santa Fe 50' refrigerator car
model. As I have no experience removing lettering (but not paint)
from current Athearn products, I would appreciate hearing from some
list subscribers who have done so. Thanks!

Richard Hendrickson


GM&O color recommendation

Bob McCarthy
 

Good evening!

    Can anyone state which colors by FLOQUIL can be combined to produce the correct color for GM&O boxcars in the late 1940's?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy




________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 7:17:14 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GM&O color recommendation

 
Jerry

Scalecoat #11 is White!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I just noticed on the Walthers web site that Scalecoat is sold
in 1 oz bottles! I have never seen a 1 oz bottle of Scalecoat. Is this
a new thing?

At 12/1/2009 12:14 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Thanks. Ed also replied off list that Scalecoat #11 is a good match.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Jerry, The only info I can find deals with Accu-Paint. This was in the chart in Ed Hawkins RPC #3.
Â
Postwar Red Oxide 1 part #12 Oxide Brown + 1 part #54 Rich Oxide Brown
1940's Red Brown           #12 Oxide Brown
Â
#12 long discontinued and of course Accu-Paint is out of business. Tru-Color has some Oxide Browns. I too wish that Modelflex would add the Oxide shades along with Mineral Brown & Red.
Â
Rich
--- On Sat, 11/28/09, jerryglow@.. . <jerryglow@. ..> wrote:


From: jerryglow@.. . <jerryglow@. ..>

......... What's a good color recommendation for GM&O for this era into the '50s?

Jerry Glow






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Re: This Car Is...

John Riddell <jriddell@...>
 

This is one of 25 steel-frame narrow-gauge refrigerator cars built by
C.C.&F.- Montreal, (in lot 1689) in June 1945 for the Newfoundland Railways
- series 325-349. It has an overall length of 37', ih of 7-4 and 6-10 wide
hinged doors. Originally olive with black lettering.

CN acquired the NR in 1949 and subsequently renumbered them 7250-7274. They
were replaced with new reefers between 1953 and 1960.

There is a 1952 color photo of the cars in service on page 121 of Morning
Sun book 'CN Color Guide'.

John Riddell


Re: GM&O color recommendation

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Armand Premo wrote:
"I believe that Scalecoat makes a special paint labeled CN # 11 which may be
close to GM&O red."

Careful, Armand. When referencing the CN SIG paint designations, one must
give both colour and number.
http://cnlines.ca/modelling/paint.php


Ben Hom


Re: GM&O color recommendation

Armand Premo
 

I believe that Scalecoat makes a special paint labeled CN # 11 which may be close to GM&O red.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GM&O color recommendation



Jerry

Scalecoat #11 is White!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I just noticed on the Walthers web site that Scalecoat is sold
in 1 oz bottles! I have never seen a 1 oz bottle of Scalecoat. Is this
a new thing?

At 12/1/2009 12:14 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
>Thanks. Ed also replied off list that Scalecoat #11 is a good match.
>
>Jerry Glow
>
>--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:
>>
>> Jerry, The only info I can find deals with Accu-Paint. This was in the chart in Ed Hawkins RPC #3.
>> Â
>> Postwar Red Oxide 1 part #12 Oxide Brown + 1 part #54 Rich Oxide Brown
>> 1940's Red Brown           #12 Oxide Brown
>> Â
>> #12 long discontinued and of course Accu-Paint is out of business. Tru-Color has some Oxide Browns. I too wish that Modelflex would add the Oxide shades along with Mineral Brown & Red.
>> Â
>> Rich
>> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...>
>>
>> ......... What's a good color recommendation for GM&O for this era into the '50s?
>>
>> Jerry Glow






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Re: GM&O color recommendation

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

It's been around now for a couple of years.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Jerry

Scalecoat #11 is White!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I just noticed on the Walthers web site that Scalecoat is sold
in 1 oz bottles! I have never seen a 1 oz bottle of Scalecoat. Is this
a new thing?





At 12/1/2009 12:14 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Thanks. Ed also replied off list that Scalecoat #11 is a good match.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Rich C <rhcdmc@> wrote:

Jerry, The only info I can find deals with Accu-Paint. This was in the chart in Ed Hawkins RPC #3.
Â
Postwar Red Oxide 1 part #12 Oxide Brown + 1 part #54 Rich Oxide Brown
1940's Red Brown           #12 Oxide Brown
Â
#12 long discontinued and of course Accu-Paint is out of business. Tru-Color has some Oxide Browns. I too wish that Modelflex would add the Oxide shades along with Mineral Brown & Red.
Â
Rich
--- On Sat, 11/28/09, jerryglow@ <jerryglow@> wrote:


From: jerryglow@ <jerryglow@>

......... What's a good color recommendation for GM&O for this era into the '50s?

Jerry Glow


New Kadee SAL boxcar?

spsalso
 

Kadee has announced on their site a new SAL paint scheme for their 40' box. I'm not too familiar with Seaboard, and I can't make the photo out. Can anyone point out a better photo of the scheme and/or tell me of its significance?

Thanks, Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: GM&O color recommendation

Tim O'Connor
 

Jerry

Scalecoat #11 is White!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I just noticed on the Walthers web site that Scalecoat is sold
in 1 oz bottles! I have never seen a 1 oz bottle of Scalecoat. Is this
a new thing?

At 12/1/2009 12:14 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Thanks. Ed also replied off list that Scalecoat #11 is a good match.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Jerry, The only info I can find deals with Accu-Paint. This was in the chart in Ed Hawkins RPC #3.
�
Postwar Red Oxide 1 part #12 Oxide Brown + 1 part #54 Rich Oxide Brown
1940's Red Brown� � � � � � � � � � � #12 Oxide Brown
�
#12 long discontinued and of course Accu-Paint is out of business. Tru-Color has some Oxide Browns. I too wish that Modelflex would add the Oxide shades along with Mineral Brown & Red.
�
Rich
--- On Sat, 11/28/09, jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...> wrote:


From: jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...>

......... What's a good color recommendation for GM&O for this era into the '50s?

Jerry Glow


Re: This Car Is...

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Yes they did but I don't believe they looked like the car in the photos posted. They were built by Std Steel in the early 20s and photos are readily available

Roger Hinman
On Jan 22, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Didn't Maine Central have some rebuilt single sheathed milk cars?
FWIW my guess is that whoever owned it, it was in milk/creamery
service...

Tim O'Connor

At 1/22/2010 07:32 PM Friday, you wrote:
Quidi Vidi Brewing is in St. John's Newfoundland, which might stir someone's "mental list" of probable owners.

Scott Pitzer


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Re: Early freight car manufactures

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

The other more available resource would be John White's The American Railroad Freight Car which is an excellent tintroduction to this era


Roger Hinman

On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:00 PM, al.kresse wrote:

I know this is before this groups normal era (1870-1895 instead) of 1910-1956, but I believe editors and authors of books from this group have the expertice or knowledge.

Mr. K's ACF book states that Ensign Manufacturing Co(Huntington, WV) did NOT make freight cars (just cast steel/iron components)until the early 1880s. Annual reports show that the C&O had 150 wooden 4-wheel 6-ton hopper cars in the early 1870s. Who was making coal cars in the 1870s?

What technical journals might have these builders listed or advertised in them?

Al Kresse


Re: Early freight car manufactures

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

A good place to start would be the Wood Car Builder's website hosted now by the MidContinent Railway Museum; that will give you a feel for the companies in business during the timeframe of your interest. The railroad periodicals of the era often carried notice of railroads making a purchase order and often published plans if a carbuilder was willing to share them. The American publshed Railroad Gazette and the British published Engineering are two recommendations. Libraries in my neck of the woods still carry some of these


Roger Hinman
On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:00 PM, al.kresse wrote:

I know this is before this groups normal era (1870-1895 instead) of 1910-1956, but I believe editors and authors of books from this group have the expertice or knowledge.

Mr. K's ACF book states that Ensign Manufacturing Co(Huntington, WV) did NOT make freight cars (just cast steel/iron components)until the early 1880s. Annual reports show that the C&O had 150 wooden 4-wheel 6-ton hopper cars in the early 1870s. Who was making coal cars in the 1870s?

What technical journals might have these builders listed or advertised in them?

Al Kresse



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Re: Early freight car manufactures

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

If you have copies or any of the reproductions of the early Car Builder's Dictionary's, look in the back in the advertising section.

Bob Karig

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