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Re: Prototype Rails weather

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 2, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Mike Brock wrote:

We at Prototype Rails are not the least bit concerned about the
threat of
"cold" weather. For one thing, most folks from far away lands such as
Colorado, the Midwest [ wherever that is ], and the New England
states...if
they are still inhabited...will no doubt find the Cocoa Beach
temperatures
in the dead of winter to be absolutely balmy.
To say nothing of the residents, where "balmy" hardly covers it.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Shipping models to Cocoa Beach - I'll deliver them

Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

If anyone is flying from the DC/Baltimore area I will be glad to drive your models down. I'll be leaving sometime Tuesday.

I will be bringing a nice sceniced display stand. Sadly none of the models I intended to finish will be done before I leave, so I might have some extra display space.

Contact me off list if you want me to transport your models.

Ned Carey


Re: AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:

Matt Herson
 

Tim,

Thanks for your response. My question should have been more specific. Were
the NP 70000 series hopper cars purchased new or used and if used from what
source.



One of these cars was still around a few years ago on MRL in Missoula.



Matt Herson



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:50 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:






Matt the captions in the NP Color Guide say these were rebuilt from
USRA clones 70000-70048 in 1957. And one of the photos is from your
collection!

Tim O'Connor

At 1/2/2010 07:23 PM Saturday, you wrote:
The car comes from the NP 207400-207427 series used in company sand service
as lettered on the car. They were originally NP 70000-70048 series hoppers
built in 1922 and rebuilt for sand service in 1957 and 1959. This from NP
diagram sheets posted at

www.nprha.org

Another question regarding these cars: Were they purchased new or used by
the NP?

Thanks for any replys,

Matt Herson


Re: Shipping models to Cocoa Beach

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

And all this time I just thought that normal interchange rules
were in effect. Is someone implying that southbound loads
are exceeding the number of northbound empties?
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Schneider" <bschneider424@...> wrote:

So THAT'S where it went.... ;>)

Bill Schneider
http://home.comcast.net/~oandw/


From: Mike Brock
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:21 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Shipping models to Cocoa Beach



Denny Anspach says:

H-mmm. Have you ever noticed how like the thin edge of the wedge
Mike's layout roster mysteriously grows with ever finer cars after
each Meet?
Actually...it's true. I just noticed the other day that an NYO&W hopper car
is sitting under the coaling shute at Harriman. It's even loaded with coal.
Strange...

Mike Brock





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Re: Prototype Rails weather

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tom Madden writes:


Mike, I see the extended forecast for next Friday and Saturday at Cocoa Beach is rain with highs in the mid-50's (Friday) and low 60's (Saturday). Can you work on improving that over the next few days?
We at Prototype Rails are not the least bit concerned about the threat of "cold" weather. For one thing, most folks from far away lands such as Colorado, the Midwest [ wherever that is ], and the New England states...if they are still inhabited...will no doubt find the Cocoa Beach temperatures in the dead of winter to be absolutely balmy. To add to that, of course, is the fact that the hot air generated by the attendees [ including, naturally, myself ] will be more cause of concern for adequate air conditioning than heat.

OTOH, believing in hedging one's bets...I'd bring a jacket...

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails CEO


Re: AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Just saw this pic on rrpicturearchives.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1709105
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1709105>

It looks like an old AAR hopper rebuilt into a covered hopper. Any opinions?

thanks

Dave J.

This was not uncommon. DL&W was a leader in using covered hoppers for cement service. They
installed steeper slope sheets, because of the angle of repose of cement, and added a roof. Later
they had purpose-built cars, but in the beginning they used modified coal hoppers.

SGL





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Re: AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:

Tim O'Connor
 

Matt the captions in the NP Color Guide say these were rebuilt from
USRA clones 70000-70048 in 1957. And one of the photos is from your
collection!

Tim O'Connor

At 1/2/2010 07:23 PM Saturday, you wrote:
The car comes from the NP 207400-207427 series used in company sand service
as lettered on the car. They were originally NP 70000-70048 series hoppers
built in 1922 and rebuilt for sand service in 1957 and 1959. This from NP
diagram sheets posted at

www.nprha.org

Another question regarding these cars: Were they purchased new or used by
the NP?

Thanks for any replys,

Matt Herson


Re: AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:

Matt Herson
 

The car comes from the NP 207400-207427 series used in company sand service
as lettered on the car. They were originally NP 70000-70048 series hoppers
built in 1922 and rebuilt for sand service in 1957 and 1959. This from NP
diagram sheets posted at

www.nprha.org



Another question regarding these cars: Were they purchased new or used by
the NP?



Thanks for any replys,



Matt Herson



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ironhorsefarm2000
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:





Just saw this pic on rrpicturearchives.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1709105

It looks like an old AAR hopper rebuilt into a covered hopper. Any opinions?

thanks

Dave J.


Re: Prototype Rails weather

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Tom,
 
         I will gladly trade you the 16 inches, and growing, snow cover at my home in Vermont
for the balmy 50's in FL.  This is why we call it building season up north.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, pullmanboss <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net> wrote:


From: pullmanboss <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Prototype Rails weather
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 7:12 PM


 



Mike, I see the extended forecast for next Friday and Saturday at Cocoa Beach is rain with highs in the mid-50's (Friday) and low 60's (Saturday). Can you work on improving that over the next few days?

Tom Madden




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Prototype Rails weather

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Mike, I see the extended forecast for next Friday and Saturday at Cocoa Beach is rain with highs in the mid-50's (Friday) and low 60's (Saturday). Can you work on improving that over the next few days?

Tom Madden


Re: Arch bar trucks.....

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Denny Anspach wrote:
One of the more bizarre instances of a car with arch bar trucks being interchanged long after 1940 is Nevada Northern RR coal-fired steam wrecking crane "A" (1908) which in 1966 was borrowed by the Western Pacific RR to substitute for one of their own wreckers which had failed.
But the "ban" simply gave the receiving road the right to refuse a car with outlawed trucks, it did not REQUIRE them to refuse it. Obviously in the case the WP was delighted to accept the loaned crane.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Arch bar trucks.....

docdenny34 <danspach@...>
 

One of the more bizarre instances of a car with arch bar trucks being interchanged long after 1940 is Nevada Northern RR coal-fired steam wrecking crane "A" (1908) which in 1966 was borrowed by the Western Pacific RR to substitute for one of their own wreckers which had failed. What made this interesting transaction even more interesting was that the original arch bar trucks were replaced by the WP with yet another set of archbar trucks fitted with ROLLER BEARINGs that had been removed from one of their own previously retired cranes!

This crane underwent it last heavy servicing in the early 1980's. It remains serviceable and operable in East Ely, NV today.

Denny


Re: Grand Trunk flat series number

frograbbit602
 

Brian,

Thank You for the information.

Happy New Year,
Lester Breuer
Minneapolis, MN

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:


Listed in the March, 1925 ORER, #64300-65299, 948 cars total.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "frograbbit602" <frograbbit602@> wrote:

Grand Trunk flat number 64300 photo on p. 172, Fig. 135 in Train Shed Cyc. No. 62 from the 1925 Car Builders or photo in 1928 Car Builders Cyc. p. 190, Fig. 143. I do not have an ORER to get number series. Can someone tell me the number series this car was in?

Lester Breuer


Re: Arch bar trucks.....

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
The other side of that coin is that if you have NO exceptional or rare examples then your entire railroad is exceptional and unusual. After all, exceptional and rare cars collectively were actually a common sight on major railroads... just like that NYO&W hopper under Mike's coal tipple. :-)
Sure, full agreement. But we all have "favorite things" that we can't resist, like a "Ball Line" yellow box car. I'm just advocating not ADDING to those beloved rarities with stuff like archbar trucks in 1950.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Arch bar trucks.....

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

The other side of that coin is that if you have NO exceptional or
rare examples then your entire railroad is exceptional and unusual.
After all, exceptional and rare cars collectively were actually a
common sight on major railroads... just like that NYO&W hopper under
Mike's coal tipple. :-)

Tim O'Connor

Well, I'm a strong believer in NOT modeling exceptions and
rarities. The fact that archbars weren't impossible after the
interchange ban date doesn't mean you want even one such interchange
car on your layout if you model post-1940. Of course you can have
fleets of them on work equipment.

Tony Thompson


AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:

Dave Johnson
 

Just saw this pic on rrpicturearchives.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1709105

It looks like an old AAR hopper rebuilt into a covered hopper. Any opinions?

thanks

Dave J.


Re: Arch bar trucks.....

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

Does anyone have Supplements 1 and 2 of the 1940 Code of Rules...for the Interchange of Traffic...? If so, could you contact me off line.

karig@sprintmail.com

Thanks,

Bob Karig

Arch Bar side frames were banned (in interchange) on and after July 1,

1940. There was no further extension past that date. The reference to August
1941 (actually August 1, 1941) is the modification date of the note following
the fourth paragraph of Rule 3, section (t). You can read the differences
in the note between the 1941 and 1942 entries while no change occurred to
Section (t), Paragraph (4) prohibiting arch bars in interchange.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Shipping models to Cocoa Beach

Bill Schneider
 

So THAT'S where it went.... ;>)

Bill Schneider
http://home.comcast.net/~oandw/


From: Mike Brock
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:21 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Shipping models to Cocoa Beach



Denny Anspach says:

H-mmm. Have you ever noticed how like the thin edge of the wedge
Mike's layout roster mysteriously grows with ever finer cars after
each Meet?
Actually...it's true. I just noticed the other day that an NYO&W hopper car
is sitting under the coaling shute at Harriman. It's even loaded with coal.
Strange...

Mike Brock


Re: Arch bar trucks.....

water.kresse@...
 

I believe the C&O moved some those early cast frame trucks used on 55-ton hopper cars for use under 40-ton box cars that had arch-bar trucks.



Al Kresse

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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 2:13:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Arch bar trucks.....

Cyril Durrenberger wrote:
The DM&IR had small fleet of wood refrigerator and box cars with  
arch bar trucks that they used for service on their line.  They were  
used into the 1970's.  But this may be a unique case.
     On-line use of course is not subject to the INTERCHANGE ban. Many  
roads had archbars under MOW cars for lots of years after the ban. In  
the case of SP, they had adopted cast-steel trucks quite early, but  
those early Vulcans from the WW I era were surplus by WW II and  
migrated to much work equipment.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: Arch bar trucks.....

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Cyril Durrenberger wrote:
The DM&IR had small fleet of wood refrigerator and box cars with arch bar trucks that they used for service on their line. They were used into the 1970's. But this may be a unique case.
On-line use of course is not subject to the INTERCHANGE ban. Many roads had archbars under MOW cars for lots of years after the ban. In the case of SP, they had adopted cast-steel trucks quite early, but those early Vulcans from the WW I era were surplus by WW II and migrated to much work equipment.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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