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Re: Roundhouse 50' End door Boxcar

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

I was just on the Horizon Hobbies/Roundhouse site(http://www.roundhousetrains.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=50%27+Single+Box&CatID=THRF&Page=1 ) , and stumbled onto listings for RTR versions of the 50' cars. Apparently a new run announced in January 2009, and are not shown as "discontinued". Of course they are being offered in many roads that never had them. The previous run, including the real prototype WP cars, are all discontinued.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff, who was looking for EMD Model 40s
Re: Good News and new Flatcar Load from Winterail

Tim O'Connor
 

What were the beginning and ending dates for this type of shipment?
David

I don't have a beginning date, but I can verify that large steel
plates are still shipped this way. The most recent photos I have
are from 2008. Steel plate has many other uses than just ships,
and steel fabricators are located all around the country.

Tim O'Connor
Re: Roundhouse 50' End door Boxcar

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I remember when the Walthers and Roundhouse cars came out.

I bought the Walthers car. Thought it was better looking. Shows what I knew!

I built it with the doors open and put a bunch of scrap on the floor. I ran it on the display layout we had at the time.

Guys liked it. Shows what they knew!!
Clark Propst
Re: Good News and new Flatcar Load from Winterail

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Dave,

Thanks for that good news!

I don't have a good answer to your highly-specific questions, but that
traffic was greater than what I once thought, and lasted a long time.

Those pre-fab sections were, as you know, an outgrowth of WW2 and the big
ship-building (and other) campaigns, where they wanted to knock out hundreds
of Liberty ships at widely varied locations, for example. They were also
building battleships, in different locations, and they required large armor
sheets and assemblies. Many large sheet and plate loads were made at
Homestead, PA at USS, and shipped all over the country. Long Beach Naval
shipyard was one destination, but there were many, on both coasts. A lot of
the ship-specific assemblies ended with the end of WW2, of course, but they
continued shipping assemblies and pieces of vessels, for things like the
nuclear sub program, long after the war.

I am fascinated with diagonal plate loading, and the PRR had a fleet of
dedicated diagonal plate-loading and boilerhead-loading flat cars and
gondolas. I just found a new photo of the interior of one of the later PRR
conversions, of a gondola, to a dedicated diagonal plate loader. Too cool.
The PRR cars were classed F25B, F25C, F25D, and F25E, plus they had later gon
conversions in class G36. The F25's are only in brass (so far), and I had to
scratchbuild my G36s; I just got the final photo I needed of the interior...

The B&O cars might have been a wartime expediency. Are they still classed as
general service flats? Do they have a "return..." stencil or card? I do
know that the PRR cars, when fitted with diagonal loading features, were
absolutely routed back empty, since the assemblies were expensive and
engineered, and worth the empty back-haul. I have a photo of a PRR F25E with
an assembly for diagonal loading that is some years old, and quite beat-up.

Lastly, there were the converted G25 gons the PRR did up for propeller/screw
service. They are the ultimate in cool loads in a great converted car. They
loaded them 2 to a gon, in opposite corners, with 2 of the 4 blades going
through a hole crafted in the floor. The stringers and cross-bearers had
been removed in those sections. The props sat on big pedestals, with rods
going down through the floor. I think Bruce Smith is going to build one...

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:10 AM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: [STMFC] Good News and new Flatcar Load from Winterail



Good News from Winterail in Stockton, CA, this last weekend, Martin and Trish
Lofton were there. When I visited their booth, Martin was away, but Trish
said that he was doing well.

News from Sunshine Models at Winterail: There is a great, new flat car load
Kit #F10 "Ship Plates Load" for $25. The information on the sheet says, in
part,

"Prefabricated sections of ships were built at various locations in the U. S.
and moved to shipyards for assembly.
Assembly steps, such as removal of lift eyes, seam welding, cutting, etc.
were marked on the plates. Flat cars or gondolas carried the sections. The
photos show such loads from Baltimore to the West Coast."

The two photos show an A-frame support with two plates on each side loaded on
B&O flatcars 106148 (with a reweigh date of 7-41) and 106686 in two different
lettering schemes. (Available in HO as F&C Kit 6720 - B&O P-11 flatcar, also
Sunshine Kit 30.10 B&O P-11 flatcar.)

What were the beginning and ending dates for this type of shipment?

Are there more specifics about manufacturing sources and destinations?

For my two loads waybilled to shipyards in Vancouver, WA, or Portland, OR,
from whom/where would they most likely be billed?

Any ideas on which other cars were used for this work?

It seems reasonable that the cars with the A-frame load support structures
were in dedicated service and were reverse routed to pick up more of the
same.

Thank you in advance for your information.

Cheers,
David Turner
Keeping the S. P. & S. Rwy. alive in Santa Rosa, California
Roundhouse 50' End door Boxcar

Paul Catapano
 

At Rocky Ops this past year I visited the Greeley Depot Club layout. On their "bargain table" I'd guess they had about 30 of these models in kit form, for about $3.50 each. Multiple road names.

Paul Catapano
Re: B&LE 4420 flatcar color photo

Scott Pitzer
 

Or else gag men working on "Buck Privates" with Abbott & Costello were thinking of updating Keaton's "cannon-on-a-train" bit from The General...
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

Apparently an experiment in firing a 105mm howitzer while loaded on a flatcar???

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=aberdeen+proving+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daberdeen%2Bproving%2Bsource:life%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1&imgurl=284094f54a4341da

KL
Re: Caboose Trucks

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Tichy has been offering free shipping for orders over $25, and an additional 20% off the total for orders over $50. I ordered a bunch 'o stuff while we were still in Florida after Prototype Rails (brake systems and underframes), and they were waiting when we got home.

No connection with Tichy etc. etc.

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, edward shoben <eshoben@...> wrote:

The Tichy web site, www.tichytraingroup.com, lists the caboose trucks, part
#3051 as in stock for $2.95 each. Should you happen to have a large fleet,
part #3052 consists of ten pairs and is also available and lists for
$15.50. Hope this helps Regards, Ed
Re: Caboose Trucks

edward shoben <eshoben@...>
 

The Tichy web site, www.tichytraingroup.com, lists the caboose trucks, part
#3051 as in stock for $2.95 each. Should you happen to have a large fleet,
part #3052 consists of ten pairs and is also available and lists for
$15.50. Hope this helps Regards, Ed
Good News and new Flatcar Load from Winterail

David Turner
 

Good News from Winterail in Stockton, CA, this last weekend, Martin and
Trish Lofton were there. When I visited their booth, Martin was away,
but Trish said that he was doing well.

News from Sunshine Models at Winterail: There is a great, new flat car
load Kit #F10 "Ship Plates Load" for $25. The information on the sheet
says, in part,

"Prefabricated sections of ships were built at various
locations in the U. S. and moved to shipyards for assembly.
Assembly steps, such as removal of lift eyes, seam welding,
cutting, etc. were marked on the plates. Flat cars or
gondolas carried the sections. The photos show such loads from
Baltimore to the West Coast."

The two photos show an A-frame support with two plates on each side
loaded on B&O flatcars 106148 (with a reweigh date of 7-41) and 106686
in two different lettering schemes. (Available in HO as F&C Kit 6720 -
B&O P-11 flatcar, also Sunshine Kit 30.10 B&O P-11 flatcar.)

What were the beginning and ending dates for this type of shipment?

Are there more specifics about manufacturing sources and destinations?

For my two loads waybilled to shipyards in Vancouver, WA, or Portland,
OR, from whom/where would they most likely be billed?

Any ideas on which other cars were used for this work?

It seems reasonable that the cars with the A-frame load support
structures were in dedicated service and were reverse routed to pick up
more of the same.

Thank you in advance for your information.

Cheers,
David Turner
Keeping the S. P. & S. Rwy. alive in Santa Rosa, California
Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Mark
 

I am thankful that no walthers 50' single sheath car is on my roster! I sold off my MDC and after finding out about the gems found some on eBay. They look sharp and someday they will get the treatment.

Mark Morgan

--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com> wrote:

From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:29 PM
On Mar 15, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Tim
O'Connor wrote:

Bill, if you get a chance would you mind posting
photos of your
cars, especially the SLSF and T&P cars? The only
scans I have of
the T&P cars are builder photos with Youngstown
doors.

Walthers also made a 50' car (no prototype) about the
same time
but it does have separate 3/3/3 ends -- Anyone used
those for
any projects? I have a friend (Leo Landry) who cut up
the Walthers
car to make a C&NW (I think) 40' car, but I don't
have any photos
and I don't know how he did it! He showed it to me and
I recall
the cuts were not obvious...
Out of the box, the Walthers model was a piece of crap –
generic 
design with no prototype, badly tooled ends, clumsy
molded-on 
details, etc.  Ted Richardson modified one to make a
very nice model 
of an Illinois Central car, which he showed at Naperville
several 
years ago, but IIRC it required a LOT of work.  Worse,
they rushed it 
into production so that it came out within a week or two of
the much 
better MDC car.  At the MRIA show that year (back in
the days when 
they were meeting at Rosemont, just outside Chicago) 
I asked one of 
the Walthers guys why they did that, and he sneered "we'll
show them 
who's number one in this hobby."  Unfortunately, with
their marketing 
muscle, they sold a bunch of them and thus cut way into the
profit 
MDC should have made on those models.

Richard Hendrickson







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Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 15, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Bill, if you get a chance would you mind posting photos of your
cars, especially the SLSF and T&P cars? The only scans I have of
the T&P cars are builder photos with Youngstown doors.

Walthers also made a 50' car (no prototype) about the same time
but it does have separate 3/3/3 ends -- Anyone used those for
any projects? I have a friend (Leo Landry) who cut up the Walthers
car to make a C&NW (I think) 40' car, but I don't have any photos
and I don't know how he did it! He showed it to me and I recall
the cuts were not obvious...
Out of the box, the Walthers model was a piece of crap – generic
design with no prototype, badly tooled ends, clumsy molded-on
details, etc. Ted Richardson modified one to make a very nice model
of an Illinois Central car, which he showed at Naperville several
years ago, but IIRC it required a LOT of work. Worse, they rushed it
into production so that it came out within a week or two of the much
better MDC car. At the MRIA show that year (back in the days when
they were meeting at Rosemont, just outside Chicago) I asked one of
the Walthers guys why they did that, and he sneered "we'll show them
who's number one in this hobby." Unfortunately, with their marketing
muscle, they sold a bunch of them and thus cut way into the profit
MDC should have made on those models.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill, if you get a chance would you mind posting photos of your
cars, especially the SLSF and T&P cars? The only scans I have of
the T&P cars are builder photos with Youngstown doors.

Walthers also made a 50' car (no prototype) about the same time
but it does have separate 3/3/3 ends -- Anyone used those for
any projects? I have a friend (Leo Landry) who cut up the Walthers
car to make a C&NW (I think) 40' car, but I don't have any photos
and I don't know how he did it! He showed it to me and I recall
the cuts were not obvious...

Tim O'Connor

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Bill Welch wrote

I used this kit, all undecorated, to model four cars:

WP, adding styrene to the door for the WP herald
MP
SL-SF, using a "Rocket Express" 3/3/3 Dreadnaught end on the "B" end
T&P with scratch built 8-foot Superior doors

All of the stand off details were removed except the ladders on the
Auto ends, nor did I try to remove the Lumber Door on the T&P and sculpt the end.
I think it is a great "canvas" to create interesting and accurate models.
Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Bill Welch
 

I used this kit, all undecorated, to model four cars:

WP, adding styrene to the door for the WP herald
MP
SL-SF, using a "Rocket Express" 3/3/3 Dreadnaught end on the "B" end
T&P with scratch built 8-foot Superior doors

All of the stand off details were removed except the ladders on the Auto ends, nor did I try to remove the Lumber Door on the T&P and sculpt the end.

I think it is a great "canvas" to create interesting and accurate models.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...> wrote:

Does this car have a prototype? I recently acquired 5 of them (the model
with the big steel plate on the door).and was wondering if they are
close to any real car.

Jeff White
Alma, IL
Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

I think (?) credit also is due to Page Porter, who had a lot to
do with MDC producing more prototypical models in that period of
time.

Tim O'Connor

Hi....FYI for credit where due......The group might be interested
to know that the masters for these cars were produced by Brian
Leppert
who is now Tahoe Model Works.....Jim Williams
You're right, Tim. I worked extensively with Page on the prototype
data, and the WP cars, both end door and non-end-door, were the basis
for the models, which are also quite close to some Texas & Pacific
cars. MDC wanted to produce a bunch of different variations on late
'20s 50' single sheathed auto box cars, and it was Page who argued
that they should make accurate models of something, even if most of
them turned out to be bogus. His departure from MDC was unfortunate,
but that's another story.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Andy Carlson
 

These cars are also good donors for fishbelly underframes, and Pullman Radial Roofs.

MP and T&P are cars built to this design, some side sill differences, along with some door changes. Any other road is pure fiction.
Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Jeffrey White
 

Thanks for all the replies. River City Railroad is selling off a lot of the old MDC parts. I bought 5 of these thrown together "kits" a few months ago for 14.99 (I was the only bidder). I don't have much use for the roller bearing trucks they are supplying but trucks are an easy fix.

I see they are selling 10 for the same opening bid now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/RCR-50FT-TRUSS-SIDE-SDD-TEN-10-CAR-PROJECT-SET_W0QQitemZ350328550311QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item51913573a7

Jeff White
Alma, IL

Jon Miller wrote:


Checking the roundhouse site they have two WP cars listed, #12075 and
#12148. In MDC's wisdom both of these cars are discontinued.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Tim O'Connor
 

I think (?) credit also is due to Page Porter, who had a lot to
do with MDC producing more prototypical models in that period of
time.

Tim O'Connor

Hi....FYI for credit where due......The group might be interested
to know that the masters for these cars were produced by Brian Leppert
who is now Tahoe Model Works.....Jim Williams
Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Checking the roundhouse site they have two WP cars listed, #12075 and #12148. In MDC's wisdom both of these cars are discontinued.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: Roundhouse 50', one end door automobile car

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

John,

Use the Microscale Minical set for these cars. Most of Richard's improvements are fairly simple, so an undec is a good start, though he salvaged the lettering on a decorated car.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff



Jon Miller wrote:

I tried for a long time to get this car with the correct WP paint/lettering. It was never in stock.


Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS




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