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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars
Dave Nelson
Tim, I made several mistakes: not finding the HH Copeland report, a
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definiative source, was #1. Typing w/o first refreshing my memory was clearly #2. My bad. Dave Nelson
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:00 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars Dave Nelson, I hope you're paying attention! :-) The list below is 247 cars, just 1/100 of the numbers (00-99). If the distribution of numbers is uniform (I know, fat chance) that would be 247*100 or 24,700 cars through Bieber in 3 months -- My original guess was 20,000 to 30,000 cars. Your estimate was 4,000 cars, IIRC. Tim O'Connor
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Re: tools (was Re: Molded-on Grab Irons)
One of my favorite tools is this "seam scraper" from MicroMark.
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Actually, I use it as a REAMER. It is very sharp and pointed, and it can ream out very small holes and cuts through Delrin etc beautifully. It's probably good for seam scraping too. :-) http://www.micromark.com/SEAM-SCRAPER,7547.html Tim O'Connor
At 11/21/2009 03:25 PM Saturday, you wrote:
The flush end-nippers that Klein once made, and that PPE still
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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars
Dave Nelson, I hope you're paying attention! :-) The list below
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is 247 cars, just 1/100 of the numbers (00-99). If the distribution of numbers is uniform (I know, fat chance) that would be 247*100 or 24,700 cars through Bieber in 3 months -- My original guess was 20,000 to 30,000 cars. Your estimate was 4,000 cars, IIRC. Tim O'Connor
At 11/21/2009 01:46 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Cars through Bieber 1947 4th quarter ending 02
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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device
I believe AMB makes an acrylic grab iron bending jig with
multiple sizes. Also Tichy includes jigs of various kinds in their kits such as ladder drilling jigs. My workspace is littered with jigs of all kinds, some of them homemade. Tim O'Connor
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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
The flush end-nippers that Klein once made, and that PPE still supplies are the handiest off all tools for removing the bulk of cast- on molded detailing. By removing most of the "overburden" with these flush-cutters, this then allows the use of a sharp chisel blade to finish the work with minimal chance of collateral damage. My " sharp chisel blade" is one of several X-acto blades that have been ground to shape, i.e. to a narrower profile, and have the corners rounded off.
IMHO, the most important issue with the good use of these blades is to keep them SHARP! My small Arkansas whet stone is out on the bench along with a piece of scrap leather as a strop, and I will commonly whet and strop the blade several times during a sitting or session. I do the same with razor blades, and in this regard, both X-acto and good razor blades will last an entire season; and they are sharper and smoother in doing so than when they were first removed from their packaging. When the blades become nicked or the profiles are no longer level -and will no longer hold an edge-, only then do they get the heave-ho. I have the Micro Mark chisel, and although I do like it, its use has not yet persuaded me to give up my handy-dandy razor and X-acto blades. Denny Denny S. Anspach MD Sacramento
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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars
Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
I don't know what RDY is, but CRP is Central of Pennsylvania, which was a subsidiary of Central of New Jersey for tax purposes. IIRC it was a court order in 1952(?) that forced CNJ to abolish the CRP. Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC
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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)
Allen Rueter
Just one CN 47902
-- Allen Rueter StLouis MO
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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)
Robert kirkham
So not a single Canadian car moving on this line with a car number ending with either 01 or 02?
Rob Kirkham -------------------------------------------------- From: "allen_282" <allen_282@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:26 AM To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction) Well craps, these are the *01 cars, not *02
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Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars
Allen Rueter
Cars through Bieber 1947 4th quarter ending 02
GN - 35 ATSF - 27 PFE - 23 DRGW - 21 WP - 13 SP - 12 UP - 10 PRR - 10 Milw - 10 NYC - 7 NP - 6 IC - 6 CRIP - 6 WFE - 5 MDT - 5 ART - 5 FGE - 5 Wab - 3 UCR - 3 Sou - 3 NW - 3 strays Soo,SLSF,SCCX,SAL,LN,GMO,CSVX,CBQ,BRE,BO, WLE, UTLX, SFRD, RDY, RDG, PE, NRC, MP,MOP,LV,LA,ITC,CRP CNJ,CN, CMO, CG, CA, BLE, ACL not sure about a few of these like CRP 1902, RDY 1902 Allen Rueter
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Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)
Allen Rueter
Well craps, these are the *01 cars, not *02
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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device
Dennis Williams
I have one of these benders and would like to sell it. Just don't need it. Dennis
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Dennis Williams Munhall, Pa. www.resinbuilders4u.com
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From: cobrapsl@aol.com <cobrapsl@aol.com> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 8:05 AM Schuyler, You need to buy the tool and you will see what I am talking about! It is not anywhere as simple as putting a piece of tape on a tapered nose pliers--which I also have in my toolbox. Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA -----Original Message----- From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@ verizon.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:28 am Subject: RE: [STMFC] Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device What is "misleading? " If you're making grabs with it, you need to know what the width is in full-size inch or metric measure, which isn't too terribly much to ask, or you can use your scale rule to find the right width. The world doesn't owe HO modelers (and I am one) everything marked to HO scale. I was (and still am) thinking that could be a very useful tool. I confess to being a toolaholic, however. I generally find the right place on my tapered-jaw needlenose pliers to place the wire to bend grabs to the right width. Mark it with a bit of tape, and I get repeatable results. SGL Ken,E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13750 http://www.pctools. com/en/spyware- doctor-antivirus / [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device
Paul Lyons
Schuyler,
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You need to buy the tool and you will see what I am talking about! It is not anywhere as simple as putting a piece of tape on a tapered nose pliers--which I also have in my toolbox. Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA
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From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:28 am Subject: RE: [STMFC] Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device What is "misleading?" If you're making grabs with it, you need to know what the width is in full-size inch or metric measure, which isn't too terribly much to ask, or you can use your scale rule to find the right width. The world doesn't owe HO modelers (and I am one) everything marked to HO scale. I was (and still am) thinking that could be a very useful tool. I confess to being a toolaholic, however. I generally find the right place on my tapered-jaw needlenose pliers to place the wire to bend grabs to the right width. Mark it with a bit of tape, and I get repeatable results. SGL Ken,E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13750 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device
Schuyler Larrabee
What is "misleading?" If you're making grabs with it, you need to know what the width is in full-size inch or metric measure, which isn't too terribly much to ask, or you can use your scale rule to find the right width. The world doesn't owe HO modelers (and I am one) everything marked to HO scale. I was (and still am) thinking that could be a very useful tool. I confess to being a toolaholic, however. I generally find the right place on my tapered-jaw needlenose pliers to place the wire to bend grabs to the right width. Mark it with a bit of tape, and I get repeatable results.
SGL Ken, E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13750 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device
Paul Lyons
Ken,
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Your post is a bit mis-leading regarding the the Mission Models M10-06 "Grabhandler". It is a fanastic tool, but the manufactured "spacings" are not HO scale and of little use unless you customize the tool as I have done. Paul Lyons Laguna NIguel, CA
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From: va661midlo@comcast.net To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 5:46 am Subject: Re: [STMFC] Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device 1. Grab iron removal: I have used the #18 chisel blade from X-acto after rounding off the corners to avoid gouging. I started doing so in the 1980's, and presented several clinics at NMRA regional and national conventions on this process. I did not have any problems with the blade being too flexible. It can be re-sharpened with a whetstone. In addition to the Micro-Mark chisel, a very nice (and very sharp) chisel is made by Mission Models (M10-09). The Mission Models chisel would be my first choice -- sharper replaceable blade with a smaller chisel face, and lighter weight than Micro-Mark chisel. For me, the trick to removing cast-on grab irons, ladders, etc., is not to try to remove every bit of the cast-on item by using the chisel. After removing all but a fine layer of the cast-on item, I then used increasingly fine grades of "sandpaper" to remove the remaining part of the cast-on item. Then, as another participant in this group suggested, use 0000 (4 zeros) grade steel wool to finish off any trace of the former cast-on item. 2. Grab irons. Mission Models also makes a device for creating grabirons with varying widths between the ends. The part number is M10-06. Mission Models also has other tools for bending frets, etc. of etched brass. Their line of tools is impressive. Mission Models website is: www.missionmodels.com. The company appears to cater to mililtary modelers as well as model railroaders. Ken Montero [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)
Schuyler Larrabee
Thanks, Bill, for the product numbers. They seem pretty thick, and one advantage of the Xacto
blades (if you knock off the corners) is that they are thin. Do you not find these tools sort of bottom out on adjacent, um, "stuff?" SGL I agree with Tom. It's a great tool. None of the collateral damamge that comes with Xacto chiselblades. sharpening. items without damaging the car bodies. I have the standard sized model and really does work!number is: #80893 Plastic Modeler's Chisel @ $18.95.Narrow Version with 2mm wide cutting edge @ $18.95. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13750 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device
Kenneth Montero
1. Grab iron removal:
I have used the #18 chisel blade from X-acto after rounding off the corners to avoid gouging. I started doing so in the 1980's, and presented several clinics at NMRA regional and national conventions on this process. I did not have any problems with the blade being too flexible. It can be re-sharpened with a whetstone. In addition to the Micro-Mark chisel, a very nice (and very sharp) chisel is made by Mission Models (M10-09). The Mission Models chisel would be my first choice -- sharper replaceable blade with a smaller chisel face, and lighter weight than Micro-Mark chisel. For me, the trick to removing cast-on grab irons, ladders, etc., is not to try to remove every bit of the cast-on item by using the chisel. After removing all but a fine layer of the cast-on item, I then used increasingly fine grades of "sandpaper" to remove the remaining part of the cast-on item. Then, as another participant in this group suggested, use 0000 (4 zeros) grade steel wool to finish off any trace of the former cast-on item. 2. Grab irons. Mission Models also makes a device for creating grabirons with varying widths between the ends. The part number is M10-06. Mission Models also has other tools for bending frets, etc. of etched brass. Their line of tools is impressive. Mission Models website is: www.missionmodels.com. The company appears to cater to mililtary modelers as well as model railroaders. Ken Montero
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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)
I agree with Tom. It's a great tool. None of the collateral damamge that comes with Xacto chisel blades.
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You will need to keep your whetstone handy for continued good performance. It does need periodic sharpening. Bill McCoy Jax. FL
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UP Gondola
roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
Hi to all
This message was posted on the Union Pacific list can anyone help out?? Rob Union Pacific has donated GS gondola UP 61078 to the Pacific Locomotive Association. It has been moved recently to the PLA's Niles Canyon Railway in Sunol, CA. This car had sat for a number of years in Eugene, OR. I'm new to the list so I hope you guys can help me. I maintain the roster for the PLA and I'm looking for any information you can give on this car. I need the following info: UP class: Year built: If any extra info such as what year it was upgraded with roller bearing trucks or operational history is available, I can include that info too. The little bit of info I have found on-line shows two different paint schemes. One with a small UNION PACIFIC over the reporting marks (see the Red Caboose HO scale model) and as it is painted today with a big UNION PACIFIC centered on the side. When did UP go to the big lettering? I also saw a model where the ends were black and the sides boxcar red (or whatever UP calls their standard freight car color). Was this a standard and if so when was it used? The reason I would like to know about paint history is that our museum covers the period of 1930 to 1960 so when we repaint equipment we try to match the way it would have looked within that period. Thanks for any help you can give. Joe Mann Pacific Locmotive Assn.
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Re: Heap Shields was Re: Re: Accurail Offset Twin
CJ Riley
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Can a limited run set of resin-cast parts be easily made off of soft tooling made off these brass model ends? If CJR wants to make the brass ends available for that, yes.> Despite having once been in the resin casting business, I'm not inclined to do it, but I would be cooperative if someone else wanted to. CJ Riley Recent Activity: New Members 2 New Photos 5 New Files 2 Visit Your Group Start a New Topic MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .
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Re: Need help identifying a tank car
Frank Greene
Tony, Richard, and Mike, thanks. We can always count on y'all for useful information.
-- Frank Greene Memphis, TN
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