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Re: Steam Era Freight Cars web site

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Ops, wrong. I just glanced at the name but now notice it's some type of freight company. Not sure what is going on. Someone needs to call Ted.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Steam Era Freight Cars web site

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Brian,
I just tried it and it's there!

Jon Miller
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Member SFRH&MS


Re: Scalecoat Boxcar Red's

railwayman <stevelucas3@...>
 

I'll add some notes about standard CN Red #11.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "fltenwheeler" <floridatenwheeler@...> wrote:

Hi

I would like to know if anyone has an equivalent list in Scalecoat?


Red #2 - CN, CNW, UP - Accupaint #54 Rich Oxide Brown or 50/50 mix of
Floquil 175 SOU Freight Car Brown and 186 Oxide Red
For CN cars, Scalecoat or Modelflex Light Tuscan Oxide Red paint provides a slightly lighter version of standard CN Red #11. Or you can use the CN Sig's Red #11 from either Scalecoat or Modelflex.

Tim


Re: Branchline reefer rolling resistance

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

There are so many variables to contend with according to your post that it is impossible to render any single bit of advice as to how to proceed.

Probably the most productive place to start is determining the length of the axles. The most important thing to keep in mind is that model trucks are most distinctly NOT precision assemblies (we could not even begin to afford them if they were!), and that within wide parameters, they are for the most part designed only to roll above a certain minimum standard. For those widely interested in increasing truck rollability, this standard is commonly found to be relatively low, while for the general market, the standard is widely accepted as OK.

Most mass produced trucks are sized to routinely handle axle sets nominally of 1.015" length. Because of the natural variability that occurs in the plastic injection process, however, two trucks from the same batch with the same wheel sets may vary considerably when it comes to rolling ability. If a given axle/truck fit is not optimal, no amount of other changes will improve things.

Maximum rolling ability often clashes with another issue: minimum axle end play- an issue ever more important with the increasing use and acceptance of scale-sized couplers. Although not too often- but often enough- maximum rolling ability is accompanied by the truck sliding/ rocking from side to side like a drunken sailor because of excessive axle end play. No wonder these cars will not couple easily!

1) The Branchline metal wheel sets had axles that routinely measured 1.018" in length, versus the long-time popular Intermountain sets that most commonly measured 1.012" (nominal 1.015"). This excessive length can and has caused problems, sometimes with Branchline's own products.

2) The shape and contour of the axle ends make a difference, as does the material with which they are made. The thin needle-like axle ends of the Reboxx , Intermountain, and Branchline wheel sets offer the best rolling potential. The wide axle ends of the otherwise beautiful NWSL wheels turn out to be a significant relative disadvantage when measuring comparable rollability. The plastic ends of the high quality Kadee wheels ditto (all of Kadee's own trucks gain added rollability when fitted with measured Reboxx wheel sets). For reasons that I cannot explain, the Reboxx wheels of the same nominal length consistently out-roll the Branchlines.

3) Over the past year or two, IM has changed the China sourcing for their wheels, a change that I and others have discovered has resulted in a reduction in routine axle length from 1.012" to 1.007", albeit with some perceived smoothing of the axle tips. This is a significant change- not for the good- that has caused at least one premium aftermarket truck manufacturer to change metal wheel suppliers (although IM and Reboxx are owned by the same entity, Reboxx wheels are still sourced from their original factory, and in my experience still maintain their very high quality).

As has been pointed out by many on this list over the years, the limited "science" that can be applied to this rollability issue has itself to be applied with a large dollop of art because of the composite nature of so many variables.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Steam Era Freight Cars web site

brianleppert@att.net
 

What has happened to Ted Culotta's old web site for steam era freight cars (steamfreightcars.com)?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Branchline reefer rolling resistance

railwayman <stevelucas3@...>
 

I highly recommend P-B-L Neolube for use on axle ends, journal boxes, truck centre plates, Kadee couplers, and switch points (provided that the points are of the same polarity as the stock rails). All move a lot more freely when Neolube is used on them.

http://www.p-b-l.com/pbl2000/Neolube.html

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Buy some Neolube from P-B-L also. You can "paint" this graphite
into the journals of your trucks. It -WILL- make a difference
and it looks like spilled oil when it's dry.

Tim O'Connor


Re: ORER Help Needed - Dec 1950 - AW 103

al_brown03
 

To bound things at the other end, the 1/53 ORER doesn't show any revenue freight cars for the Ahnapee & Western.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "andy.laurent" <andy.laurent@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@> wrote:

On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:50 AM, andy.laurent wrote:

Gents,

I am searching for information on a flatcar owned by the Ahnapee &
Western Railway...AW 103. It was put in service in 1949 or '50, and
is referenced in an ICC report as being "in use in interchange
service at the end of 1950."

The car was converted from an ex-MDT refrigerator car (and ex-AW
3000 series), and was equipped with cradles for carrying boats
built in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc.

If someone has a late 1950 or early 1951 ORER and can check the A&W
listing, I would greatly appreciate it.

Andy, the 10/50 ORER shows only three refrigerator cars (with ice
bunkers sealed and unusable) in revenue service, A&W 3000, 3003, and
3004. Under Miscellaneous Equipment not in interchange service 1
flat car is listed, but there is no information about it.

Richard Hendrickson

Richard, thank you for checking your 10/50 ORER. Perhaps an early 1951 issue will have the car, because the ICC report specifically mentions the car being in interchange service and the A&W receiving car hire for it offline.

Andy L.


Re: ORER Help Needed - Dec 1950 - AW 103

Andy Laurent
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:50 AM, andy.laurent wrote:

Gents,

I am searching for information on a flatcar owned by the Ahnapee &
Western Railway...AW 103. It was put in service in 1949 or '50, and
is referenced in an ICC report as being "in use in interchange
service at the end of 1950."

The car was converted from an ex-MDT refrigerator car (and ex-AW
3000 series), and was equipped with cradles for carrying boats
built in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc.

If someone has a late 1950 or early 1951 ORER and can check the A&W
listing, I would greatly appreciate it.

Andy, the 10/50 ORER shows only three refrigerator cars (with ice
bunkers sealed and unusable) in revenue service, A&W 3000, 3003, and
3004. Under Miscellaneous Equipment not in interchange service 1
flat car is listed, but there is no information about it.

Richard Hendrickson

Richard, thank you for checking your 10/50 ORER. Perhaps an early 1951 issue will have the car, because the ICC report specifically mentions the car being in interchange service and the A&W receiving car hire for it offline.

Andy L.


Re: Grab Iron Change

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 1/19/2010 11:09:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
flyingy@sunset.net writes:


Could someone give me an idea of when the railroads started adding the
second grab iron to the left side of freight cars?
Required on all house cars, hopper cars and high side gondola cars built
new or rebuilt on, or after August 1, 1933. I was also recommended when cars
received Class I repairs they were to be so equipped.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Scalecoat Boxcar Red's

Tim Meyer
 

Hi

I would like to know if anyone has an equivalent list in Scalecoat?

Red #1 - B&O, WM - Accupaint #59 Iron Oxide or Floquile #601 Zinc Chromate
Primer - bright red oxide

Red #1.5 – PRR – 50/50 mix of #1 and #2

Red #2 - CN, CNW, UP - Accupaint #54 Rich Oxide Brown or 50/50 mix of
Floquil 175 SOU Freight Car Brown and 186 Oxide Red

Red #3 - MKT - Accupaint #12 Oxide Brown

Red #4 - Erie (some), C&O, NKP (some) , NYC (some) - 50/50 mix of Floquil
74 Boxcar Red and 186 Oxide Red

Red #5 - ATSF, Erie (some) NYC (early), NKP (some) - Floquil 179 Mineral
Brown.


Thanks

Tim


Re: Branchline reefer rolling resistance

Tim O'Connor
 

Dean, I regularly roll test new models and I try different
combinations of wheels and trucks. I have observed that same
or similar performance as you describe at various times.

First, I would try the SAME pair of trucks on all three cars.

If they roll the same, then you know the problem is with the
other trucks. In that case compare the exact length of the
slow wheels to the free rolling truck wheels. If they're all
the same, then you may need to use the "Tool" to ream out the
journals. Also visually inspect the trucks -- some trucks are
not molded perfectly 4-square. If that happens, then the wheels
are not parallel to the rails and they're going to slide. Bad.

If they roll differently, then you probably have over-tightened
the screws on the slower cars. This can result in the trucks
having a slight "crab" roll which greatly increases friction.

Buy some Neolube from P-B-L also. You can "paint" this graphite
into the journals of your trucks. It -WILL- make a difference
and it looks like spilled oil when it's dry.

Tim O'Connor

At 1/18/2010 11:39 PM Monday, you wrote:
I just tested, my Branchline GB&W and NKP reefers roll no better than fair down an incline, but my MILW reefer rolls fantastically! Same manufacturer� same model, same trucks... but the MILW has shiny metal wheels (due to be fixed in my final round with the wheel painting jig). The wheels appear to be the same (based on the profile of their backs). The slow ones actually stop on the incline, before the curve, while the MILW rolls through the curve and up the incline on the other side, then back...
The MILW reefer was bought first, has plastic pins instead of metal screws to hold the trucks on (paradoxically, I think they mount more securely in this instance, but that wouldn't explain the rolling disparity of the wheels.)
Why would this be? Does the blackening of the wheels actually slow them down that much? Or, did something happen in the manufacturing process? All my other metal wheels roll better, and even some plastic ones do!

Dean Payne


Re: Branchline reefer rolling resistance

Brian Carlson
 

Dean: couple things, Did you use the Reboxx tool on the trucks? Also,
branchline changed wheels at some point in production, the newer wheels were
better, and were shiny turned wheels, the older ones were duller and maybe
cast. I am not sure since I change my trucks to Reboxx wheels.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:40 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Branchline reefer rolling resistance





I just tested, my Branchline GB&W and NKP reefers roll no better than fair
down an incline, but my MILW reefer rolls fantastically! Same manufacturer.
same model, same trucks... but the MILW has shiny metal wheels (due to be
fixed in my final round with the wheel painting jig). The wheels appear to
be the same (based on the profile of their backs). The slow ones actually
stop on the incline, before the curve, while the MILW rolls through the
curve and up the incline on the other side, then back...
The MILW reefer was bought first, has plastic pins instead of metal screws
to hold the trucks on (paradoxically, I think they mount more securely in
this instance, but that wouldn't explain the rolling disparity of the
wheels.)
Why would this be? Does the blackening of the wheels actually slow them down
that much? Or, did something happen in the manufacturing process? All my
other metal wheels roll better, and even some plastic ones do!

Dean Payne


Branchline reefer rolling resistance

Dean Payne
 

I just tested, my Branchline GB&W and NKP reefers roll no better than fair down an incline, but my MILW reefer rolls fantastically! Same manufacturer… same model, same trucks... but the MILW has shiny metal wheels (due to be fixed in my final round with the wheel painting jig). The wheels appear to be the same (based on the profile of their backs). The slow ones actually stop on the incline, before the curve, while the MILW rolls through the curve and up the incline on the other side, then back...
The MILW reefer was bought first, has plastic pins instead of metal screws to hold the trucks on (paradoxically, I think they mount more securely in this instance, but that wouldn't explain the rolling disparity of the wheels.)
Why would this be? Does the blackening of the wheels actually slow them down that much? Or, did something happen in the manufacturing process? All my other metal wheels roll better, and even some plastic ones do!

Dean Payne


Re: NP Magazine

David Sieber
 

Francis,

While the Northern Pacific Railway Historical Society's quarterly magazine is not online, they have many other resources online, including (1) a Resource Library with a growing number of databases and lists, with equipment and station rosters, equipment, structure, and track diagrams, photos, etc.; plus (2) NP modeling articles on rolling stock, depots, NP layouts and projects. See http://www.nprha.org

The Spokane, Portland and Seattle Railway Historical Society also has a quarterly magazine that is not online, but they have limited prototype and modeling resources available online, with photos "coming soon," at http://www.spshs.org/index.html

To your second question, the Chicago & North Western Historical Society Modeler is another online modeling magazine, separate from the Society's print magazine which has a prototype emphasis. All four issues are online at http://www.cnwhs.org/modeling.htm

I know of no other railroad historical society webzines than the three you mentioned (B&O Modeler, Keystone Modeler, and S-CL Modeler) and the C&NW Modeler. These four are specifically for modelers, while the Society's corresponding print magazines consist primarily of prototype and historical articles.

Additionally, there is a non-historical-society webzine, the Model Railroad Hobbyist (aptly described by its title), at http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/

I hope this helps, and if anyone knows of any other Society webzines, please add to this list!

Dave Sieber, Reno NV



To: RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com
CC: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: rdgbuff56@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:56:35 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] NP Magazine




I asked this question but was unable to find what I was looking for. There was a post, I'm sure, on one of the three main groups (RPM-forum, STMFC and bbfcl) about a NP magazine being available to down load. I downloaded three issues but lost them before I could make back-up copies. I saw the post since Thanksgiving. I was wondering if someone knew where to go to get these again. If not, I will have to search the archives. The only other thing is it may have been the SP&S, but Iam almost positive it was NP.

Are there any other societies that have magazine downloads other than The Keystone, S-CL Modeler, B&O Modeler and the one I am searching for?

I belong to three societies and cannot afford all the magazines from different societies. I appreciated these societies for doing this.

Thank You!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. in Sunbury, Pa..

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C&NW not NP Mag

rdgbuff56
 

To Rich and Chris,
It was C&NW not NP. The only thing I had right was north. Senility!

Thanks!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. in Sunbury, Pa.






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From: "SUVCWORR@aol.com" <SUVCWORR@aol.com>
To: RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com; STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 10:11:31 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NP Magazine



Francis,

The Anthracite Railroad Historical Society, C&NW historical society and C&O historical society have all produced e-zines. The ARHS and C&NW are currently producing them. The C&O did 4 issues in 2007 but I have not seen any new issues recently.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. <rdgbuff56@yahoo. com>
To: RPM-forum@yahoogrou ps.com
Cc: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:56 pm
Subject: [RPM-forum] NP Magazine

I asked this question but was unable to find what I was looking for. There was a post, I'm sure, on one of the three main groups (RPM-forum, STMFC and bbfcl) about a NP magazine being available to down load. I downloaded three issues but lost them before I could make back-up copies. I saw the post since Thanksgiving. I was wondering if someone knew where to go to get these again. If not, I will have to search the archives. The only other thing is it may have been the SP&S, but Iam almost positive it was NP.

Are there any other societies that have magazine downloads other than The Keystone, S-CL Modeler, B&O Modeler and the one I am searching for?

I belong to three societies and cannot afford all the magazines from different societies. I appreciated these societies for doing this.

Thank You!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. in Sunbury, Pa..

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Re: SP B-50-13 handbrakes

bflynnd1
 

Tony,
Thanks for the reply. After looking at the decals, the easiest numbers would probably be 27870 to 27879 or, 28850 to 28859. This way I would only have to change the last number. If this is too much trouble to look up, can you give me just a couple of car numbers in this range? I model 1953. Thanks again for your help.
Brian Flynn

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SP B-50-13 handbrakes


Brian Flynn wrote:
I am in the process of building a Sunshine B-50-13 kit and have a
question about the handbrakes for these cars. The instructions
state that the cars tended to keep the original vertical handbrakes
after upgrade to AB's, but some received Ajax handbrakes. Is there
any information as to what cars or how many received the Ajax
brakes? Or what the most common handbrakes were?
Changes in handbrakes were recorded in the car ledgers
aintained by the SP Mechanical Department. I have the original
edgers in my possession. To answer your question car by car would be
xtremely tedious to research and extremely voluminous to report
there were 3700 of these cars). If you want to choose a car number, I
an tell you if it had a horizontal-shaft handbrake; or if you want a
umber for one style or the other, let me know and I will find one.
'd recommend the former for convenience in decaling.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: NP Magazine

SUVCWORR@...
 

Francis,

The Anthracite Railroad Historical Society, C&NW historical society and C&O historical society have all produced e-zines. The ARHS and C&NW are currently producing them. The C&O did 4 issues in 2007 but I have not seen any new issues recently.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. <rdgbuff56@yahoo.com>
To: RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com
Cc: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:56 pm
Subject: [RPM-forum] NP Magazine





I asked this question but was unable to find what I was looking for. There was a post, I'm sure, on one of the three main groups (RPM-forum, STMFC and bbfcl) about a NP magazine being available to down load. I downloaded three issues but lost them before I could make back-up copies. I saw the post since Thanksgiving. I was wondering if someone knew where to go to get these again. If not, I will have to search the archives. The only other thing is it may have been the SP&S, but Iam almost positive it was NP.

Are there any other societies that have magazine downloads other than The Keystone, S-CL Modeler, B&O Modeler and the one I am searching for?

I belong to three societies and cannot afford all the magazines from different societies. I appreciated these societies for doing this.

Thank You!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. in Sunbury, Pa..


Re: ORER Help Needed - Dec 1950 - AW 103

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:50 AM, andy.laurent wrote:

Gents,

I am searching for information on a flatcar owned by the Ahnapee &
Western Railway...AW 103. It was put in service in 1949 or '50, and
is referenced in an ICC report as being "in use in interchange
service at the end of 1950."

The car was converted from an ex-MDT refrigerator car (and ex-AW
3000 series), and was equipped with cradles for carrying boats
built in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc.

If someone has a late 1950 or early 1951 ORER and can check the A&W
listing, I would greatly appreciate it.

Andy, the 10/50 ORER shows only three refrigerator cars (with ice
bunkers sealed and unusable) in revenue service, A&W 3000, 3003, and
3004. Under Miscellaneous Equipment not in interchange service 1
flat car is listed, but there is no information about it.

Richard Hendrickson


NP Magazine

rdgbuff56
 

I asked this question but was unable to find what I was looking for. There was a post, I'm sure, on one of the three main groups (RPM-forum, STMFC and bbfcl) about a NP magazine being available to down load. I downloaded three issues but lost them before I could make back-up copies. I saw the post since Thanksgiving. I was wondering if someone knew where to go to get these again. If not, I will have to search the archives. The only other thing is it may have been the SP&S, but Iam almost positive it was NP.

Are there any other societies that have magazine downloads other than The Keystone, S-CL Modeler, B&O Modeler and the one I am searching for?

I belong to three societies and cannot afford all the magazines from different societies. I appreciated these societies for doing this.

Thank You!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. in Sunbury, Pa..


Re: 70-Ton ASF 70-ton A3 trucks - Bulk pricing

SUVCWORR@...
 

David,

Or the side frames without wheel sets.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: David Sieber <ealabhan0@live.com>
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:15 pm
Subject: FW: [STMFC] Re: 70-Ton ASF 70-ton A3 trucks - Bulk pricing



David,



Love those ACF welded 70T gons, and since I could use a number of your ASF A3
70T trucks, I appreciate you offering them at bulk pricing. However, I am among
the increasing number of modelers who greatly prefer 0.088 semi-scale tread
wheelsets - especially for open end frame hoppers, etc., where the wheels are
easily seen. When might we hope to see Tangent trucks with even better looking
semi-scale wheelsets?



Warm regards,

Dave Sieber

Reno NV


To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: bnsd45@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:04:10 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 70-Ton ASF 70-ton A3 trucks - Bulk pricing





After two false starts thanks to connectivity issues, we will try this again!

Tangent Scale Models is pleased to announce bulk pricing for our new ASF 70-ton
A3 Ride Control truck with all metal wheels! As you are already aware, this is a
very important truck to those modeling the 1950s and later, and was utilized
under many of the new freight cars - and rebuilds - from that era. Because of
this, we would like to offer bulk pricing of our finely-executed, free rolling
trucks.

Please feel free to visit our store at http://tangentscalemodels.com/acfgondolaundecoratedkitsandparts.aspx
to learn more.

We thank you for your support of our new, family-owned and operated company.
Please continue to send us your comments and suggestions - we love to hear from
our customers! And for those that are still looking for our popular ACF
gondolas, be aware we will be offering new goodies later this year - we will be
sure to update this list accordingly!

Best Regards,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models





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