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Re: Need help identifying a tank car

Frank Greene
 

Tony, Richard, and Mike, thanks. We can always count on y'all for useful information.

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Removing ladder detail

DIllini1@...
 

I heard that Ted Culotta had a great method of removing these details and described it in RC. Can anyone recall this?

Mike Wilson
Terre Haute, IN


Re: Heap Shields

Andrew Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

The C&O "dreadnaught" style ribbed hopper car ends, were made by a now defunct hobby shop in Hampton VA. He was going out of business when I first found him almost ten years ago. I talked him into opening one of the boxes packed up for the bacnkrupcy auction and sell me the ends.

BTW I also had to modify the sides of the Athearn hopper to produce the three twin rows of rivits on the alternate std AAR car.

regards,

Andy Miller

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Heap Shields




Nope. They were made for the Athearn car. Al's parts are
all from his kits.

At 11/19/2009 09:22 PM Thursday, you wrote:
>Westerfield.A Premo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim O'Connor
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:19 PM
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Heap Shields
>
>
>
>
> Andy Miller once found some resin castings that represented
> C&O "dreadnaught" style ribbed hopper car ends, that were made
> to fit the Athearn car. Anyone remember who made them?
>
> Tim O'Connor


Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)

Misc Clark
 

A modified (width of the blade narrowed) chisel blade for your Exacto handle
works well, also... just be careful which direction you are applying the
pressure (away from your body parts)...
Clark Cone

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:35 AM, <tmolsen@udel.edu> wrote:



Al,

Micro-Mark makes a tool that you can use to remove cast-on ladders, grabs
and other offending items without damaging the car bodies. I have the
standard sized model and really does work!

It is a stainless steel chisel, 6-1/2" long and 4mm wide. The catalog
description and part number is: #80893 Plastic Modeler's Chisel @ $18.95.

It also comes in a smaller version. The catalog description and part number
is: #82709 Special Narrow Version with 2mm wide cutting edge @ $18.95.

You can order on-line at: http://www.micromark.com/

The tool is listed in the Holiday Catalog on page 33.

Best regards,
Tom Olsen

Thomas M. Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu <tmolsen%40udel.edu>


Re: Heap Shields was Re: Re: Accurail Offset Twin

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. wrote:
I remember these parts. I know that someone knows the source of these but my curiosity has the best of me. Were they sold as Capart?
That may be right. They also made square hatches for covered hoppers, back when you had to backdate MDC covered hoppers. I have a set of the hatches, really very nice brass parts, likely lost wax.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Heap Shields was Re: Re: Accurail Offset Twin

rdgbuff56
 

I remember these parts. I know that someone knows the source of these but my curiosity has the best of me. Were they sold as Capart?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. in Sunbury, Pa.




________________________________
From: pullmanboss <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 12:04:58 PM
Subject: Heap Shields was Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail Offset Twin


Al Kresse:

Can a limited run set of resin-cast parts be easily made off of
soft tooling made off these brass model ends?
If CJR wants to make the brass ends available for that, yes.

Tom Madden


Heap Shields was Re: Re: Accurail Offset Twin

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Al Kresse:

Can a limited run set of resin-cast parts be easily made off of
soft tooling made off these brass model ends?
If CJR wants to make the brass ends available for that, yes.

Tom Madden


Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "StephenK" <thekays100@...> wrote:

Actually there used to be a tool that is ideal for removing molded-on grabs...

Unfortunately, Klein doesn't make them any more...
Were they like the "Premium End Nippers" at the bottom of this page?

http://www.ppe.com/10cat/0152.pdf

I THINK PPE will take credit cards, but they may have a minimum order. If so, check their web site for other shaped nippers (gate cutters) all of which are flush cutting, and also check out their selection of needle files and rifflers.

Dennis


Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Tim & Al,
 
              One of the best ways to eliminate the scarring on plastic surfaces is to use 0000 fine steel wool. It polishes the surface while removing trace scratches. I've used this material for 30 years and have been satisfied with the results. Once finished, rinse the item to remove any fines that remain, and clean with a soft cloth. This now leaves a smooth surface to paint and apply decals.
 
This will work on resin kits as well >>> just don't scrub too hard! Hope this helps with your projects.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 4:02 AM


 




I tried a new method this week that works very well -- I used
my 'fine' sprue nippers to remove ladder rungs from a box car
ladder, including the bolt detail. Then I glued them in place
as replacements on a broken ladder on a car. As long as the
grabs are not "drop" style, this will work on any car. It was
a lot faster and easier than drilling holes etc for wire rungs.

Tim O'Connor

This may get me raided by the Prototype Police, but I don't mind clipping molded grab irons off an open-top car and replacing them with wire, providing the car body is dimensionally OK. I don't mind doing that on a house car, either: it's a good trade-off for price. However, I find it easier to remove molded grab irons and install a ladder, than to remove a molded ladder and install ladder *grabs*. That one's hard to do without scarring the car side. One weathers heavily and hopes purists don't notice.

Ducking for cover as sirens wail,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Bill Welch <fgexbill@.. .> wrote:

Dennis is correct. Heap shields for the cars we are talking about,
BTW well illustrated in several volumes of RP CYC, were a single
piece of steel. Regarding the MDC/Roundhouse part to create a heap
end, it is meant to go with a 3-bay ribbed side hopper in that line.
I have some of these to do a Southern version.

I have a some Athearn undec with heap shields so I can "sort of" get
to the L&N cars I want. I have plenty to keep me busy so I will give
Athearn some time to see if they redo their offset twin with separate
grabs.

I will grab some of Dennis' new car and I have 3 Atlas cars w/radial
ends and sets of Martin's "Alternate Sides" to do 3 Clinchfield cars.

I just would rather not spend time carving and drilling. Oh well!

Bill Welch







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digests

Ray Meyer
 

I love the discussions going on here, but as a favor to those of us who read
this in digest form, could posters please refrain from quoting every prior
post in the thread in their replies? It makes the discussion harder to
follow scrolling through all the quoted material. Thanx.

--
Atty Raymond G. Meyer
110 E. Main St
Port Washington, WI 53074
262-284-5566
rgmeyer2@gmail.com


Re: Heap Shields was Re: Re: Accurail Offset Twin

water.kresse@...
 

Can a limited run set of resin-cast parts be easily made off of soft tooling made off these brass model ends?



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "cj riley" <cjriley42@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:00:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Heap Shields  was  Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail Offset Twin

The biggest problem is the "heap shields" used during the era twin hoppers were built were an integral part pf the end… that is, the end sheet and whatever bracing was used on the end just extended unbroken above the level of the top of the sides. Some later applications to larger hoppers built in the sixties had heap shields that appeared to be add-ons that were attached to the top chord of the end framing. These would be a natural for a separate detail part (and somebody did offer them at one time) but don't do any good for the steam era twins.>
I still have several sets of brass castings of an entire end with heap shield that date back to perhaps the '70s or '80s designed for the Athearn hopper. I also have some plastic heap shield castings from (I believe) Roundhouse. Never used any of them and would love a good model that included them.
CJ RileyBainbridge Island WA

Istill have several sets of brss


 



  






      

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Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)

StephenK
 

Actually there used to be a tool that is ideal for removing molded-on grabs. I was lucky enough to get one about 30 years ago from Klein Tools. (I worked for an electrical distributor that carried Klein and I ordered a set of mini pliers and this came with it.) The tool is a end cutter that is only about 1/8" wide at the end. It will clip off molded-on details with ease--just a little scraping to clean things up.

Unfortunately, Klein doesn't make them any more. I spoke to the Klein rep at a trade show a few years ago and he said they haven't had it for years. Too bad--it's a great tool!

Steve Kay

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


That's a good one... for about the same price I've picked up a
dozen stainless steel dental instruments with various shapes and
sizes of cutting heads. They don't flex like the X-Acto blade
does when trying to remove stuff. (I grind X-Acto blades to
desired shapes and round off the edges too.)

Tim O'Connor


At 11/20/2009 02:35 AM Friday, you wrote:
Al,

Micro-Mark makes a tool that you can use to remove cast-on ladders, grabs and other offending items without damaging the car bodies. I have the standard sized model and really does work!

It is a stainless steel chisel, 6-1/2" long and 4mm wide. The catalog description and part number is: #80893 Plastic Modeler's Chisel @ $18.95.

It also comes in a smaller version. The catalog description and part number is: #82709 Special Narrow Version with 2mm wide cutting edge @ $18.95.

You can order on-line at: http://www.micromark.com/

The tool is listed in the Holiday Catalog on page 33.

Best regards,
Tom Olsen

Thomas M. Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: Heap Shields

water.kresse@...
 

Roy Hurlburt, then a member of the C&O Historical society made them . . . . way back in the 90s.  They were offered through the Society.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:11:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Heap Shields


Nope. They were made for the Athearn car. Al's parts are
all from his kits.


At 11/19/2009 09:22 PM Thursday, you wrote:
Westerfield.A Premo
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Tim O'Connor
 To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:19 PM
 Subject: [STMFC] Re: Heap Shields


   

 Andy Miller once found some resin castings that represented
 C&O "dreadnaught" style ribbed hopper car ends, that were made
 to fit the Athearn car. Anyone remember who made them?

 Tim O'Connor


Re: Heap Shields

Armand Premo
 

Correct! .A.Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Heap Shields




Nope. They were made for the Athearn car. Al's parts are
all from his kits.

At 11/19/2009 09:22 PM Thursday, you wrote:
>Westerfield.A Premo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim O'Connor
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:19 PM
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Heap Shields
>
>
>
>
> Andy Miller once found some resin castings that represented
> C&O "dreadnaught" style ribbed hopper car ends, that were made
> to fit the Athearn car. Anyone remember who made them?
>
> Tim O'Connor






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Re: DT&I hopper in Tracy CA (was Re: Accurail Offset Twin)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Rich;

Peters Creek is the one I am thinking of, and I also wonder if there was any
link to the Westinghouse site and/or USSteel.

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
SUVCWORR@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:02 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: DT&I hopper in Tracy CA (was Re: Accurail Offset
Twin)






-----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil
<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil> >
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 1:01 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: DT&I hopper in Tracy CA (was Re: Accurail Offset
Twin)

<snip>

BTW, I found a strategic stockpile facility served on my section of the PRR.
Hmmm.

Elden,

Is that the one on the Peter's Creek Branch or have you found another?

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Dave Nelson
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:44 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: DT&I hopper in Tracy CA (was Re: Accurail Offset
Twin)

Another possibility is with the Holly sugar mill (perhaps under a different
name in 1947) in Tracy -- or any of the several nearby sugar mills. Sugar
mills use coke for purification purposes and I've seen evidence in the WP
papers in Sacramento that coke was brought from as far away as Alabama for
this purpose. No idea why Utah Coke, Colorado Coke, Arkansas Coke, or locally
produced Petroleum Coke was not used... but hey, there's that record of the
Alabama Coke that shows that sometimes at least, it wasn't.

With that in mind, scratch out coal and plug in coke and everything else in
Tim's message makes perfect sense to me.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----

Simple: Coal sometimes travels long distances for some particular industrial
use (IOW not so much for heating or steam production).
Since DT&I served Michigan & Ohio (AAR District #15) a DT&I car on ANY
railroad in MI, OH or IN (which comprise District #15) could be loaded for
ANY destination in North America without regard to its ownership by the DT&I,
once the rules about loading a car off its home road were observed (i.e.
basically no more suitable equivalent car was immediately available).
Since the most suitable car in this case would have been an SP (T&NO) hopper,
it's reasonable to think that the chances of an SP hopper in Ohio were no
better than the chances of a DT&I hopper in California... So the roll of the
dice gave us the DT&I hopper in Tracy on this occasion. (And on another
occasion someone photographed T&NO #4406 on the Nickel Plate...)

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: Heap Shields

Tim O'Connor
 

Nope. They were made for the Athearn car. Al's parts are
all from his kits.

At 11/19/2009 09:22 PM Thursday, you wrote:
Westerfield.A Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Heap Shields




Andy Miller once found some resin castings that represented
C&O "dreadnaught" style ribbed hopper car ends, that were made
to fit the Athearn car. Anyone remember who made them?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)

Tim O'Connor
 

That's a good one... for about the same price I've picked up a
dozen stainless steel dental instruments with various shapes and
sizes of cutting heads. They don't flex like the X-Acto blade
does when trying to remove stuff. (I grind X-Acto blades to
desired shapes and round off the edges too.)

Tim O'Connor

At 11/20/2009 02:35 AM Friday, you wrote:
Al,

Micro-Mark makes a tool that you can use to remove cast-on ladders, grabs and other offending items without damaging the car bodies. I have the standard sized model and really does work!

It is a stainless steel chisel, 6-1/2" long and 4mm wide. The catalog description and part number is: #80893 Plastic Modeler's Chisel @ $18.95.

It also comes in a smaller version. The catalog description and part number is: #82709 Special Narrow Version with 2mm wide cutting edge @ $18.95.

You can order on-line at: http://www.micromark.com/

The tool is listed in the Holiday Catalog on page 33.

Best regards,
Tom Olsen

Thomas M. Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)

Tim O'Connor
 

I tried a new method this week that works very well -- I used
my 'fine' sprue nippers to remove ladder rungs from a box car
ladder, including the bolt detail. Then I glued them in place
as replacements on a broken ladder on a car. As long as the
grabs are not "drop" style, this will work on any car. It was
a lot faster and easier than drilling holes etc for wire rungs.

Tim O'Connor

This may get me raided by the Prototype Police, but I don't mind clipping molded grab irons off an open-top car and replacing them with wire, providing the car body is dimensionally OK. I don't mind doing that on a house car, either: it's a good trade-off for price. However, I find it easier to remove molded grab irons and install a ladder, than to remove a molded ladder and install ladder *grabs*. That one's hard to do without scarring the car side. One weathers heavily and hopes purists don't notice.

Ducking for cover as sirens wail,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Dennis is correct. Heap shields for the cars we are talking about,
BTW well illustrated in several volumes of RP CYC, were a single
piece of steel. Regarding the MDC/Roundhouse part to create a heap
end, it is meant to go with a 3-bay ribbed side hopper in that line.
I have some of these to do a Southern version.

I have a some Athearn undec with heap shields so I can "sort of" get
to the L&N cars I want. I have plenty to keep me busy so I will give
Athearn some time to see if they redo their offset twin with separate
grabs.

I will grab some of Dennis' new car and I have 3 Atlas cars w/radial
ends and sets of Martin's "Alternate Sides" to do 3 Clinchfield cars.

I just would rather not spend time carving and drilling. Oh well!

Bill Welch


Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)

tmolsen@...
 

Al,

Micro-Mark makes a tool that you can use to remove cast-on ladders, grabs and other offending items without damaging the car bodies. I have the standard sized model and really does work!

It is a stainless steel chisel, 6-1/2" long and 4mm wide. The catalog description and part number is: #80893 Plastic Modeler's Chisel @ $18.95.

It also comes in a smaller version. The catalog description and part number is: #82709 Special Narrow Version with 2mm wide cutting edge @ $18.95.

You can order on-line at: http://www.micromark.com/

The tool is listed in the Holiday Catalog on page 33.

Best regards,
Tom Olsen

Thomas M. Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: Strategic Reserves

Jason C
 

Tim,

The Casad Depot outside of New Haven is slowly turning into an industrial park.  I believe the entire property will be turned over to the city or county within the next few years. 

Jason Cook
New Haven, IN

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Strategic Reserves
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:14 PM







 











Here is another one, near the huge NYC classification yard at

Selkirk. This facility was served by both D&H and NYC. Now it's

just an 'industrial park' but I saw stockpiles of ingot material

there in the 1990's.



http://www.bing. com/maps/ ?v=2&cp=42. 68532898339442~ -73.941825688854 41&lvl=14& sty=r&where1= Selkirk%2C% 20NY



Tim O'Connor



At 11/19/2009 03:25 PM Thursday, you wrote:

The Casad Depot alongside the former Nickle Plate just outside of New Haven, IN had some fairly large piles of different ores or minerals when I moved to the area in 1997. I believe it's only been in the past 3-6 years that they disposed of whatever was stockpiled there. If this link works, you will see a number of piles of something on the east edge of the facility. That tan Butler building and assortment of rusty looking equipment at the top edge of the view is the Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society. The folks that own the 765.
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http://www.bing. com/maps/ ?v=2&cp=qvchj77x ny2g&scene= 13499039& lvl=1&sty= b
Â
For those of you interested, this Depot was served by both the Nickle Plate and the Wabash which passed just north of this facility. The Wabash had a spur that came south along South Ryan Rd which is to the west of Casad. By scrolling to the west and then north, you can see the remains of the roadbed and the outline of the connector track in the trees where it tied into the Wabash. This place would make for a HUGE switching layout back in it's prime.
Â
Jason Cook
New Haven, IN
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@ usace.army. mil> wrote:
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@ usace.army. mil>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: DT&I hopper in Tracy CA (was Re: Accurail Offset Twin)
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 1:49 PM
Â
Interesting! I have been told by ex-Army folks that this was a huge deal
during the Cold War. We were worried that the Soviets would blockade us and
we would not be able to get critical metals for aircraft production, amongst
others.
I have always wondered what special additives might have been used in nuclear
vessel/reactor construction, and what things might have been shipped around
the country for our military or specialty steel production, as it was a far
larger "industry" than most might expect, and most of us don't model it. And
it didn't just move around in "U.S. Army" box cars, as some might think.
Those strategic minerals went by regular RR car.
The stockpile facility near me was behind a cyclone fence, with a gate and
guard. It was up a branch in the woods hidden from view, but had only a
trailer office and small piles of different colored ores piled here and
there. Yes, the local USSteel and other steel-makers were nearby, and yes,
they did make "specialty" steels, so none of this should be surprising, but
all the same, I sure would like to know what was coming from where, and in
whose cars!
Elden Gatwood
-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
richtownsend@ netscape. net
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: DT&I hopper in Tracy CA (was Re: Accurail Offset
Twin)
Back in the early 1960s I lived on the New Cumberland Army Depot, which is
across the Susquehanna River from and a little south of Harrisburg. It is
immediately adjacent to the PRR's four-track main line along the west shore
of the river. There were scattered small stockpiles of exotic ores on the
base (when I say small I mean about single carload size). They were labeled
with what they were and where they came from. The one I remember was chromium
ore from the USSR. The stockpiles were pretty exciting for this childhood
rock collector with their exotic contents and sources.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@ usace.army. mil
<mailto:elden. j.gatwood% 40usace.army. mil> >
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:01 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: DT&I hopper in Tracy CA (was Re: Accurail Offset
Twin)
Here's another one. During the post-WW2 period, the U.S. government and
critical industries, were importing, and sometimes stockpiling vital minerals
and metals only found in economically viable quantities outside the U.S.
Many entered the U.S. through east coast ports, particularly Chromium (40% of
US needs from Turkey, 38% from South Africa; 79% of all US needs from
abroad), Cobalt (77% imported, much from the Congo), Columbium (most from
Nigeria and Belgian Congo), Manganese (majority from India, South Africa,
Gold Coast, Cuba, Belgian Congo and Brazil), some Tungsten (that coming from
Spain, Portugal and Brazil). All of this entering from eastern US ports would
have most likely been loaded into eastern road hoppers, for shipment
elsewhere.
Since shipment of these commodities was done on the railroads, some research
into what industries are served by your railroad might come up with some
interesting answers.
BTW, I found a strategic stockpile facility served on my section of the PRR.
Hmmm.
Elden Gatwood
-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. com>
[mailto:STMFC@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. com> ] On Behalf Of
Dave Nelson
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:44 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: DT&I hopper in Tracy CA (was Re: Accurail Offset
Twin)
Another possibility is with the Holly sugar mill (perhaps under a different
name in 1947) in Tracy -- or any of the several nearby sugar mills. Sugar
mills use coke for purification purposes and I've seen evidence in the WP
papers in Sacramento that coke was brought from as far away as Alabama for
this purpose. No idea why Utah Coke, Colorado Coke, Arkansas Coke, or locally
produced Petroleum Coke was not used... but hey, there's that record of the
Alabama Coke that shows that sometimes at least, it wasn't.
With that in mind, scratch out coal and plug in coke and everything else in
Tim's message makes perfect sense to me.
Dave Nelson
-----Original Message-----
Simple: Coal sometimes travels long distances for some particular industrial
use (IOW not so much for heating or steam production).
Since DT&I served Michigan & Ohio (AAR District #15) a DT&I car on ANY
railroad in MI, OH or IN (which comprise District #15) could be loaded for
ANY destination in North America without regard to its ownership by the DT&I,
once the rules about loading a car off its home road were observed (i.e.
basically no more suitable equivalent car was immediately available).
Since the most suitable car in this case would have been an SP (T&NO) hopper,
it's reasonable to think that the chances of an SP hopper in Ohio were no
better than the chances of a DT&I hopper in California.. . So the roll of the
dice gave us the DT&I hopper in Tracy on this occasion. (And on another
occasion someone photographed T&NO #4406 on the Nickel Plate...)
























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