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WrightTrak B&O M-53

bdg1210 <Bruce_Griffin@...>
 

Guys,

I know several of you must have purchased this kit at Naperville. Any feedback? I have one person's opinion of the kit, but would like to hear others to be fair. Thanks.

Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Editor, The B&O Modeler
Summerfield, NC


Red caboose now intermountain

Paul <pdeis@...>
 

Is intermountain going to be releasing any of the Red Caboose cars?


Re: Shipping Christmas Trees

Robert kirkham
 

This article by researcher and author Ian Wilson is quite informative on the subject as well. <http://www.canadianbranchline.com/christma.htm>;

I wonder how many people choose the end of December as a modelling period?

Rob Kirkham
Surrey BC
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From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:11 PM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Shipping Christmas Trees

Paul, I found this abstract of an article on a web site:


Douglas-fir Christmas trees shipped in railroad box cars from the
Pacific Northwest to Los Angeles, Calif., suffer varying degrees of
deterioration, depending on treatment before shipment, length of time
in cars, and temperatures within loads during shipment. Test shipments
were made in 1962 in a standard box car and a mechanically refrigerated
car, with recording thermometers at three levels within the loads.

Additional shipments in standard box cars were made in 1964 using crushed
ice blown in on the loads as a coolant. At Los Angeles the 1962 trees were
mounted under simulated home conditions and their useful life measured for
11 days. Needle-drop proved a poor measure of deterioration but observations
of color, dryness, and needle-drop on the 10th day showed obvious differences.

Time of cutting, previous fertilizing, along with position in packing, and
shipping temperature affected the useful life and value of trees.


Tim O'Connor



Were Christmas Trees shipped in reefers? Were insulated boxcars around in
enough numbers to be a reasonable alternative? (I model 1952) Did they,
reefer loads of Christmas trees, need to be iced, or simply kept at a
reasonably cool temp?

Did these loads make up a significant "surge" in traffic to take up much of
the unused slack in reefer fleets during November and December?

I ASSume November and December are slow months for Reefers. I know that many
reefers were pressed into express service to handle the increased mail and
express load as we got closer to Christmas, but did the shipment of trees
make a dent in this use of reefers?

Were loads of cut trees sent to a metropolitan produce market's for
distribution to retail outlets? Were cut trees a sort of "produce"?

Tons of questions but it sparked an interest. Thank you all in advance.

Paul Catapano


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Intermountain ATSF caboose

Steve SANDIFER
 

For those building the kids for these new cars, some interesting information including better instructions have be posted on
http://atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Freight/IMRCaboose/Index.htm
______________
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mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417


GSI depressed center flat car

Tim O'Connor
 

Wow, I guess this demonstrates some amount of pent up desire
for these cars...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&;item=200405744090

Tim O'Connor


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *04 cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Allen Rueter wrote

What's with all the Southern cars?
Sou 261004 906 10/17 2127 10/17
Sou 166104 2005 10/13 258 10/13
Sou 261604 911 12/5 2017 12/5
Sou 148704 2126 11/21 203 11/21
Sou 13804 2107 11/7 203 11/7
Sou 13804 260 11/22 2019 11/22
Sou 11804 911 12/6 2007 12/6
Sou 116904 2127 10/13 906 10/13
Sou 116904 2127 12/7 911 12/7
Allen:

11804, 13804, 261004, 261104 are 1937 AAR box cars

116904 is a 41'6" flat car

148704 is a steel frame, wood sheathed, double door box car

166104 is a 36' wood box car w/ steel center sill

That's a nice assortment of Southern freight cars!!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Tim O'Connor
 

Allen

A photo with a digital camera should work quite well, if
the page is very flat, and you can mount the camera on a
tripod and get a sharp picture.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/23/2009 11:34 PM Monday, you wrote:
Dave,
I'll have to think about how to do that, the pages are about 14x17, much bigger than
a common scanner, to thick for a drum scanner that I have access to at work.
I could try just a corner.

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO


Re: NYC freight car lettering

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's interesting that NYC continued to use lines above and below the reporting marks until around 1960 even though most railroads discontinued that practice years earlier.
The lines were never a requirement but were a recommended practice, starting back in the WW I era. The AAR discontinued that recommendation very early in 1952 and many roads soon dropped the lines from their lettering diagrams.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Shipping Christmas Trees

Tim O'Connor
 

Paul, I found this abstract of an article on a web site:


Douglas-fir Christmas trees shipped in railroad box cars from the
Pacific Northwest to Los Angeles, Calif., suffer varying degrees of
deterioration, depending on treatment before shipment, length of time
in cars, and temperatures within loads during shipment. Test shipments
were made in 1962 in a standard box car and a mechanically refrigerated
car, with recording thermometers at three levels within the loads.

Additional shipments in standard box cars were made in 1964 using crushed
ice blown in on the loads as a coolant. At Los Angeles the 1962 trees were
mounted under simulated home conditions and their useful life measured for
11 days. Needle-drop proved a poor measure of deterioration but observations
of color, dryness, and needle-drop on the 10th day showed obvious differences.

Time of cutting, previous fertilizing, along with position in packing, and
shipping temperature affected the useful life and value of trees.


Tim O'Connor

Were Christmas Trees shipped in reefers? Were insulated boxcars around in
enough numbers to be a reasonable alternative? (I model 1952) Did they,
reefer loads of Christmas trees, need to be iced, or simply kept at a
reasonably cool temp?

Did these loads make up a significant "surge" in traffic to take up much of
the unused slack in reefer fleets during November and December?

I ASSume November and December are slow months for Reefers. I know that many
reefers were pressed into express service to handle the increased mail and
express load as we got closer to Christmas, but did the shipment of trees
make a dent in this use of reefers?

Were loads of cut trees sent to a metropolitan produce market's for
distribution to retail outlets? Were cut trees a sort of "produce"?

Tons of questions but it sparked an interest. Thank you all in advance.

Paul Catapano


Bieber 1947 4th quarter *04 cars

Allen Rueter
 

cars ending 04 thru Bieber 1947 4th quarter

GN 38
ATSF 24
PFE 16
WP 16
DRGW 14
SP 12
IC 10
PRR, SFRD, SOU 9
CBQ , CNW 6
ART, MP, NP, SAL, UTLX 4
BO, FGE, MILW, NKP, NYC 3
CSVX, IGN, LAPX, LN, MDT, PLE, UP, WFE, ALTON/CA 2
SPS 1
strays:
CG CGW CP CRIP DTI FGEX GATX GTW NH NW NWX ?OB
SCCX SSW UCR WLE

What's with all the Southern cars?
Sou 261004 906 10/17 2127 10/17
Sou 166104 2005 10/13 258 10/13
Sou 261604 911 12/5 2017 12/5
Sou 148704 2126 11/21 203 11/21
Sou 13804 2107 11/7 203 11/7
Sou 13804 260 11/22 2019 11/22
Sou 11804 911 12/6 2007 12/6
Sou 116904 2127 10/13 906 10/13
Sou 116904 2127 12/7 911 12/7

SAL
SAL 17304 254 11/9 2008 11/9
Sal 15604 2101 10/26 205 10/26
Sal 17604 202 11/11 2127 11/11
SAL 19704 2019 12/27 201 12/28

For Dave, till I get a photo it would look like:
...
"Recvd: SAL 17 304 254 11/9"
"Forwd: 2008 - "
...
"Recvd: Sal 15 604 2101 10/26"
"Forwd: 205 - "
...
"Recvd: Sal 17 604 202 11/11"
"Forwd: 2127 -"
...
"Recvd: SAL 19 704 2019 12/27"
"Forwd: 201 12/28"

WP engine numbers are < 1000, GN's are generally >1000.
so 17304 17604 were northbound, 15604, 19704 were south bound

the trailing 3 digits are preprinted in the book.
of course yahoo will mangle it.
Allen Rueter


Re: NYC freight car lettering

Tim O'Connor
 

Indeed, in 1954 new NYC cars were being delivered with the
Roman style lettering and by 1955 many new cars and repaints
were getting the extended Gothic lettering. It's interesting
that NYC continued to use lines above and below the reporting
marks until around 1960 even though most railroads discontinued
that practice years earlier.

There are many good NYC box car photos from the 1950's to early
1960's in Bob Liljestrand's (Bob's Photo) softcover book illustrating
the various paint & lettering schemes (and the dates).

Tim O'Connor

Brian, the earliest photos I have of NYC cars with the extended
Gothic stenciling show two box cars with reweigh/repaint dates of BG
(Beech Grove) 6-55. They were taken by Will Whittaker on the West
Coast and George Sisk in Kansas City, and it's a good guess that what
prompted both photos of otherwise very ordinary NYC cars was that it
was the first time the photographers had seen the new lettering style.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Allen Rueter
 

Dave,
I'll have to think about how to do that, the pages are about 14x17, much bigger than
a common scanner, to thick for a drum scanner that I have access to at work.
I could try just a corner.

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO


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From: Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@att.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 9:28:10 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)


Allen, can you post a scan or two in the files area so we can all see what
the original looks like?

Dave Nelson


Re: Shipping Christmas Trees

BERNARD SPINELLI <bspinelli@...>
 

on 11/23/09 10:00 PM, Paul Catapano at pc66ot@sbcglobal.net wrote:


Were Christmas Trees shipped in reefers? Were insulated boxcars around in
enough numbers to be a reasonable alternative? (I model 1952) Did they,
reefer loads of Christmas trees,  need to be iced, or simply kept at a
reasonably cool temp?
 
Did these loads make up a significant "surge" in traffic to take up much of
the unused slack in reefer fleets during November and December?
 
I ASSume November and December are slow months for Reefers. I know that many
reefers were pressed into express service to handle the increased mail and
express load as we got closer to Christmas, but did the shipment of trees
make a dent in this use of reefers?
 
Were loads of cut trees sent to a metropolitan produce market's for
distribution to retail outlets? Were cut trees a sort of "produce"?
 
Tons of questions but it sparked an interest. Thank you all in advance.

Paul Catapano

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Shipping Christmas Trees

Paul Catapano
 

Were Christmas Trees shipped in reefers? Were insulated boxcars around in enough numbers to be a reasonable alternative? (I model 1952) Did they, reefer loads of Christmas trees,  need to be iced, or simply kept at a reasonably cool temp?
 
Did these loads make up a significant "surge" in traffic to take up much of the unused slack in reefer fleets during November and December?
 
I ASSume November and December are slow months for Reefers. I know that many reefers were pressed into express service to handle the increased mail and express load as we got closer to Christmas, but did the shipment of trees make a dent in this use of reefers?
 
Were loads of cut trees sent to a metropolitan produce market's for distribution to retail outlets? Were cut trees a sort of "produce"?
 
Tons of questions but it sparked an interest. Thank you all in advance.

Paul Catapano

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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Dave Nelson
 

Allen, can you post a scan or two in the files area so we can all see what
the original looks like?

Dave Nelson


Re: Another Gentle Abrasive Material

jerryglow2
 

They are usually used in a vibrator type machine or at least that's how I've seen them used.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> wrote:

For those of you who are thinking, "Great, but where the hell am I going to get walnut shells and what can I use to grind them into a uniform, small size?".......

They are sold in any fine Hobby Shop under the stealth label of "Woodland Scenics Ballast". Large (O Scale), Medium (HO) and Fine (N).

I don't know if the "Fine" size is small enough to work in blaster heads but at least it will give you a base material to use in your wife's (probably soon to be ex-) coffee grinder
or food processor.

Charlie Vlk

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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Allen Rueter
 

Rob,
There are no types, you'll have to have an ORER handy, if you want to help with making a type table, just left me know.
I sure a few people have some railroad's types memorized.

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO




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From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 3:56:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)


Good catch Steve! With "01" tacked on, we'd have a 7 digit number. Allen -
can you clarify if there is a type here?

Rob Kirkham

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From: "steve l" <stevelucas3@ yahoo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:19 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Allen--47902 would be a correct number for a company-service CN car that
was confined to CN rails. But CN 47902_ would have been a 40', 10' i.h.
steel boxcar, built by Canadian Car and Foundry with a flat panel roof and
square-corner SDE's in May or June, 1940 (Swain series 10). I take it
that the final digit of the car number is missing, or ??

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Allen Rueter <allen_282@. ..> wrote:

Just one CN 47902

--
Allen Rueter StLouis MO




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Re: ADMIN: Christmas

Bob Slavinski
 

Thanks Mike......I agree with you 100%....Bob Slavinski 




________________________________
From: Mike Brock <brockm@brevard.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 7:16:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ADMIN: Christmas

 
OK, Guys,

As Tony Thompson says...the issue about being politically correct is WAY out
of bounds for the STMFC.

On the STMFC, any name of a United States holiday is completely permissable
IF it is associated with steam era frt cars....as would any other name not
normally associated with steam era frt cars. Certainly Christmas was a
national holiday during the steam era and the name is definitely usable on
the STMFC IF it is associated with steam era frt cars. How some people view
the name Christmas and other holidays such as Columbus Day { I mean...did he
really discover the new world? } now is up to them and, while such views are
their own business, any comments about the politically correctness of the
term is completely out of scope on the STMFC and will be interpreted as a
political statement [ not good ]. Reference to any other day of
significance. ..say, my birthday...is also permitted IF it has an association
with steam era frt cars.

Consider this message to be a warning of imminent jail time if ignored. The
STMFC is NOT going to be a forum for discussing political issues.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner







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ADMIN: Christmas...more

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I should perhaps note that the reason why the use of the name of a holiday on the STMFC is not permitted except when associated with steam era frt cars has nothing to do with any holiday but simply conforms to the STMFC rule:

"ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT
CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES."

Since this issue might be a bit sensitive to some, I will note for those not in the original 30 that formed the STMFC, a commitment was asked for by the 30...and given...that the STMFC would be restricted to frt car issues and we have tried to maintain that promise. Therefore, do not interpret the STMFC position with regard to the term Christmas...or Veteran's Day...or any other day of significance or government institution as if the STMFC management is opposed to the use of such term...except on the STMFC. In fact, casual use of a greeting containing the term Christmas is, of course, historically significant and is not going to be treated negatively if it occurs on the STMFC.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Canadian tank cars south of 49; also, Coutts, Montana

Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...>
 

Frank - Try Glenbow Archives:
 
NA-2849-22
 
Construction of Imperial Oil Calgary Refinery, Ogden, Alberta - 1923
 
First shipment of crude from Coutts, originating in Montana, United States.
 
Ross McLeod Calgary
 


 


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