I am modeling a Wilson meat plant in the 1920s and I've collected photos of various Wilson meat reefers. I'm pretty confident that I know the different paint schemes that Wilson reefers wore from 1916 to the 1960s. And I have never seen a paint scheme like that. I think it was either made up or they saw a one-of-a-kind car and put it on this model. Either way, it wouldn't make sense to have this car on a layout unless you collect these kind of cars.



- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA



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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:45:34 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Wilson reefer (bogus?)





Please see eBay item #290293823411 HO Wilson Car Lines WCLX 8350 Box Car Item #509 j.

Is the paint scheme bogus or is there some basis in reality?

Gene Green
New Mexico





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Gene,
Quit wasting your time looking at toy trains on ebay and start building some of the prototype models you have : )))

Clark

Tim:

Not entirely true. The LA Times does not have a direct rail siding. Most
of the newsprint was received at the Southern Pacific's 8th Street paper
dock and trucked to the Times paper plant. They also received a portion

water at the LA Harbor and that newsprint was also trucked to them.

Paul C. Koehler

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Newsprint is delivered directly to printing plants. The rolls are
way too big and heavy for transloading at team tracks. I don't know
about your New England statement however -- newsprint comes from
many sources, especially Canada. I don't know of any newsprint mills
in New England, although maybe there were some in the 1950's.

Tim O'Connor

At 12/30/2009 11:37 AM Wednesday, you wrote:

SHIPMENT OF NEWSPRINT...In the 1950's would most of the paper mills have been in NewEngland and

would have been the route(s)to get the newsprint to cities like NY and Philia(and Boston).And in

been unloaded at the newspaper or off sight(team tracks)..

Thanks
Joel Norman

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Wouldn't make much difference if they did: the Tichy ends lack any bolt or rivrt detail on the

that wraps around the corner onto the car side, and has a considerable amount of drat in this

them narrower and then add a strip with embossed rivets.

Dennis

"Newsprint is delivered directly to printing plants. The rolls are
way too big and heavy for transloading at team tracks."

Not so fast, Tim. For many years the "Milwaukee Journal" received newsprint in boxcars at a concrete unloading dock at the south end of the Milwaukee Road's Beer Line. This was known as the "Journal Paper Dock." The big, heavy rolls of paper were unloaded there and reloaded into trucks for the trip to the printing plant in the basement of the Journal Building, which was only a few blocks away but not on any rail line. This transloading was still a regular operation when I first moved to Milwaukee in 1979.

Either when the Beer Line shut down or some time before, the Journal Co. began using the Hansen Storage warehouse on the west side of Milwaukee, along the Chicago & North Western's old freight line. Newsprint still came by rail to Hansen's warehouse, and was trucked downtown as needed. By the way, this is the same Hansen Storage warehouse Gordy Odegard modeled for our club layout in a March 1992 "Model Railroader" article.

It's been a while since I heard anything about how the Journal Co. gets its paper, but the newspaper business being as it is, I'm sure it doesn't buy nearly as much as it once did.

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag. com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142

Thanks, this is all very interesting. So where were the StLB&M express
reefers out of the Rio Grande Valley handed over to passenger trains? Or
did passenger trains stop and pick them up directly, like at Fullerton CA?

I remember open produce sheds in Texas... was born in San Antonio and have
been back many times since. There were some large galvanized steel sheds in
town too.

Tim O'Connor

Thanks, this is all very interesting. So where were the StLB&M express
reefers out of the Rio Grande Valley handed over to passenger trains? Or
did passenger trains stop and pick them up directly, like at Fullerton CA?

I remember open produce sheds in Texas... was born in San Antonio and have
been back many times since. There were some large galvanized steel sheds in
town too.

Tim O'Connor

"Newsprint is delivered directly to printing plants. The rolls are
way too big and heavy for transloading at team tracks."

Not so fast, Tim. For many years the "Milwaukee Journal" received newsprint in boxcars at a concrete unloading dock at the south end of the Milwaukee Road's Beer Line. This was known as the "Journal Paper Dock." The big, heavy rolls of paper were unloaded there and reloaded into trucks for the trip to the printing plant in the basement of the Journal Building, which was only a few blocks away but not on any rail line. This transloading was still a regular operation when I first moved to Milwaukee in 1979.

Either when the Beer Line shut down or some time before, the Journal Co. began using the Hansen Storage warehouse on the west side of Milwaukee, along the Chicago & North Western's old freight line. Newsprint still came by rail to Hansen's warehouse, and was trucked downtown as needed. By the way, this is the same Hansen Storage warehouse Gordy Odegard modeled for our club layout in a March 1992 "Model Railroader" article.

It's been a while since I heard anything about how the Journal Co. gets its paper, but the newspaper business being as it is, I'm sure it doesn't buy nearly as much as it once did.

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142

SHIPMENT OF NEWSPRINT...In the 1950's would most of the paper mills have been in NewEngland and if so,what would have been the route(s)to get the newsprint to cities like NY and Philia(and Boston).And in cities would the cars been unloaded at the newspaper or off sight(team tracks)..
Thanks
Joel Norman

Wouldn't make much difference if they did: the Tichy ends lack any bolt or rivrt detail on the part that models the flange that wraps around the corner onto the car side, and has a considerable amount of drat in this area. So, you'd have to file them narrower and then add a strip with embossed rivets.
Dennis