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Re: InterMountain 70 ton flat car kits

Andy <eandyjr1@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:05 AM, William Keene wrote:

I have not seen the 70-ton flat cars yet. What is the method of
installing the couplers on these cars. The experience I had with the
IM reefers with the press fit coupler box cover resulted in removal
of the entire box and installation of new boxes to install the
Sergent couplers. Hopefully the flat car uses some other method than
the press fit coupler box cover.
Bill, the coupler box covers on the IM flat cars are neatly held in
place by small flat head screws.


Richard Hendrickson
Have been using a countersink to make 2-56 flat head screws fit flush on the cover. Also tap the old pin hole for 2-56s. BTW McMaster-Carr & others are a good source for small screws at much better prices than your LHS.


Re: NYC freight car lettering

Brian Carlson
 

Al: I wasn't sure of the date the reporting marks changed so I didn't want
to assume anything. Hopefully someone on here knows for sure.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



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al_brown03
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:14 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC freight car lettering





Very helpful reference. NYC also changed from Roman to Gothic for reporting
marks and the rest of the lettering, though; Mr. Link's site doesn't address
the date of that (at least in the places I looked).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: NYC freight car lettering

al_brown03
 

Very helpful reference. NYC also changed from Roman to Gothic for reporting marks and the rest of the lettering, though; Mr. Link's site doesn't address the date of that (at least in the places I looked).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Tom:

Are you referring to Gothic in the herald? That happened in august 1955
according to Terry Link's site.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



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tmolsen@...
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:17 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] NYC freight car lettering





List,

Can anyone advise as to when the New York Central went to the Gothic
lettering for freight equipment? My time period and area of choice is PRR
Middle Division Harrisburg/Enola to Altoona in late 1953.

It is a relevant question in as how for every PRR car on the property, there
were a like number of NYC cars at the same time due to the numerous points
on interchange (much to the dismay of the great unwashed number of SPF's).







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Re: NYC freight car lettering

Brian Carlson
 

Tom:

Are you referring to Gothic in the herald? That happened in august 1955
according to Terry Link's site.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



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tmolsen@UDel.Edu
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:17 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] NYC freight car lettering





List,

Can anyone advise as to when the New York Central went to the Gothic
lettering for freight equipment? My time period and area of choice is PRR
Middle Division Harrisburg/Enola to Altoona in late 1953.

It is a relevant question in as how for every PRR car on the property, there
were a like number of NYC cars at the same time due to the numerous points
on interchange (much to the dismay of the great unwashed number of SPF's).


Grab Iron tool

SUVCWORR@...
 

That article was in Mainline Modeler but I don't recall the issue and my copies are currently
in storage. The tool works very well and depending on the angle you use, it will allow you to make any wi
width grab iron in small or large increments. The shallower the angle the smaller the steps in width. You
need two pieces of styrene. The first you cut in the shape of a (politically incorrect term coming) Christmas
tree. The trunk becomes the handle. Overlay the branch area with the scribed siding styrene. Then
deepen the scribe lines with either a knife or razor saw. One pass of a saw is usually all that is needed.


Rich Orr

Sometime back one of the magazines ran an article where a piece of sheet
plastic with manufactured scribed slots (siding?) was cut in a triangular
shape with the slots running parallel to the base of the triangle. Then,
you pick the slot that matches the width that you need and lay a piece of
wire in it and simply bend it over the edges of the plastic. Bingo, a grab
iron. The taller the triangle combined with a narrow base gives you a LOT
of slots which vary in length only slightly as you go from one slot to the
next.



I built one of these for a zero cost using scraps from the plastic box and
it works great.



Hopefully my description makes sense.



Allen Cain


Re: Grab Iron tool

asychis@...
 

"The first you cut in the shape of a (politically incorrect term coming)
Christmas
tree."

Do we really need these sort of comments?

Jerry Michels


NYC freight car lettering

tmolsen@...
 

List,

Can anyone advise as to when the New York Central went to the Gothic lettering for freight equipment? My time period and area of choice is PRR Middle Division Harrisburg/Enola to Altoona in late 1953.

It is a relevant question in as how for every PRR car on the property, there were a like number of NYC cars at the same time due to the numerous points on interchange (much to the dismay of the great unwashed number of SPF's).

Best regards,
Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: Wabash large flag lettering scheme

Tim O'Connor
 

It's very odd that 50 had racks in 1957, but only 33 in 1959
(their numbers are listed in Note DD), and then all 50 again
later.

So -- about those CNJ gondolas. Were those Bethlehem gondolas,
like the Sunshine kits? (I hope)

Tim O'Connor

The January 1, 1957 Wabash equipment book shows all 50 cars equipped
with racks in 1956. Those equipped with Ford frame racks had an "8" stenciled above the reporting marks and the cars with Merecury frame racks were stenciled "54". BEWARE, THE REST OF THE MESSAGE GOES BEYOND 1960. I have a color photo of the 12614 repainted in the freight car red with the 33" WABASH and a small flag. The reweigh date appears to be XD 10-64. The 11000 series gons Tim refers to were purchased from the CNJ in 1962 and did have larger flags.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Canadian tank cars south of 49; also, Coutts, Montana

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Reading the messages about cars through Bieber I got curious as to whether
anyone of you who've gone through wheel reports of US roads have found
(m)any Canadian-registered tank cars in trains in the US. Or, photos of
such cars taken in the US. I'd most especially be interested in hearing
about cars lettered for IOX, PRPX, BMMX, SUPX, COBX, CSGX, BAOX and CGTX,
but anything Canadian would be interesting.

I do know from photographic evidence that cars lettered for Imperial Oil
crossed the border in the 1930s and before (amongst others, whole trains
of IOX cars into Coutts, Montana), but haven't found anything after 1935.

Speaking of Coutts, MT, what road was that on, was it the GN? I'm not
clear on whether the photo I found of a whole string of Imperial Oil tank
cars there was delivering product or picking up crude, though I'd suspect
the latter.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: CNJ-CRP tax dodge [was Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Yeah, and 'sides, it's just an eastern road . . .8^/
(Maybe we should talk about coal cars for a while . . .)
Long as it's freight cars, not taxes and tax rates.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Wabash large flag lettering scheme

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

David

Digging through the ORER's, sometime between 1955 and 1959 Wabash
converted 33 of the 50 Wabash 12600-12649 series to Ford auto frame
loading service. By 1963 all 50 cars were equipped for auto frames.

As it happens, the TANGENT model I bought, 12625, was not converted
by 1959. Phew!

All of the ORER's show these Wabash gondolas listed as COAL cars! Weird.

I have photos of two repainted Wabash 52' gondolas (11615/11623) with huge
WABASH roadname and a small flag to the right of the name. However it does
appear that 11623's flag is slightly larger (maybe 10-15%) than 11615's.

Curiouser and curiouser...


The January 1, 1957 Wabash equipment book shows all 50 cars equipped
with racks in 1956. Those equipped with Ford frame racks had an "8" stenciled above the reporting marks and the cars with Merecury frame racks were stenciled "54". BEWARE, THE REST OF THE MESSAGE GOES BEYOND 1960. I have a color photo of the 12614 repainted in the freight car red with the 33" WABASH and a small flag. The reweigh date appears to be XD 10-64. The 11000 series gons Tim refers to were purchased from the CNJ in 1962 and did have larger flags.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: CNJ-CRP tax dodge [was Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars]

Schuyler Larrabee
 

William Bryk wrote:
More comments on this would be welcome.
Maybe not to all of us. Seems to have minimal importance for
freight cars--we already know the validity period of the reporting
marks.

Tony Thompson
Yeah, and 'sides, it's just an eastern road . . .8^/

SGL

(Maybe we should talk about coal cars for a while . . .)





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Re: Wabash large flag lettering scheme

Tim O'Connor
 

David,

Looking further, the 1965 ORER (post-N&W merger) shows all 50 of
the gondolas still lettered for Wabash, and the 1972 ORER shows
that 24 of them still had Wabash reporting marks.

Since the cars were reasonably new when the Wabash merged into the
N&W I would not be surprised to find that none of them was repainted
while in Wabash service.

Sure would be good to find a photo of one of the auto frame cars!

Tim O'Connor

While on the subject of Wabash repaints, does anyone have shots of the ACF 70-ton welded gondolas repainted into any Wabash schemes? We are looking for repaint possibilities for the Tangent Scale Models HO scale gondola model.

Thank you!

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: CNJ-CRP tax dodge [was Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

William Bryk wrote:
More comments on this would be welcome.
Maybe not to all of us. Seems to have minimal importance for freight cars--we already know the validity period of the reporting marks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Wabash large flag lettering scheme

Tim O'Connor
 

David

Digging through the ORER's, sometime between 1955 and 1959 Wabash
converted 33 of the 50 Wabash 12600-12649 series to Ford auto frame
loading service. By 1963 all 50 cars were equipped for auto frames.

As it happens, the TANGENT model I bought, 12625, was not converted
by 1959. Phew!

All of the ORER's show these Wabash gondolas listed as COAL cars! Weird.

I have photos of two repainted Wabash 52' gondolas (11615/11623) with huge
WABASH roadname and a small flag to the right of the name. However it does
appear that 11623's flag is slightly larger (maybe 10-15%) than 11615's.

Curiouser and curiouser...

Tim O'Connor

At 11/22/2009 11:27 PM Sunday, you wrote:
While on the subject of Wabash repaints, does anyone have shots of the ACF 70-ton welded gondolas repainted into any Wabash schemes? We are looking for repaint possibilities for the Tangent Scale Models HO scale gondola model.

Thank you!

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: Wabash large flag lettering scheme

bnsd45
 

While on the subject of Wabash repaints, does anyone have shots of the ACF 70-ton welded gondolas repainted into any Wabash schemes?  We are looking for repaint possibilities for the Tangent Scale Models HO scale gondola model.

Thank you!

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models




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Re: Making grab irons

jerryglow2
 

When I lived in SoCal Terry Wegman engraved a pair of "duckbill" pliers to make drop grabs for P2K gondolas as they do not match any commercially available grabs. You made the U shape the usual way and inserted it into the engraved slot and bent the legs over. Another Dan Smith achieved the same by ACCing a stop on the inside face of one side of his pliers.
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/files/pliers.jpg

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Doug Polinder <mikado3399@...> wrote:

Allen is referring to, I believe, the sidebar on p. 89 in Ted Culotta's fourth installment of the Essential Freight Car series in the July 2003 RMC on NP's double-sheathed boxcars. In the same issue on p. 66 Mike Rose also illustrates building straight and drop grabs (although on cars out of scope for STMFC).

This issue is one of RMC's high-water marks for mid-century freight-car modelers, what with the above articles and techniques as well as two product reviews, one of Sylvan's HO Canadian National autobox and the other of Lionel's O PS-5, and a pictorial of a layout of Hamilton ON in 1958 and Keith Kohlmann's description of the American Motors auto loading facility for its plant in Kenosha WI.

Doug Polinder
Grand Rapids MI




________________________________
Re: Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device
Posted by: "Allen Cain" allencain@... allen_cain
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:29 pm ((PST))

Folks,



The Mission Model bending jig looks really nice but $90 puts it out of may
range for a specialty tool.



Sometime back one of the magazines ran an article where a piece of sheet
plastic with manufactured scribed slots (siding?) was cut in a triangular
shape with the slots running parallel to the base of the triangle. Then,
you pick the slot that matches the width that you need and lay a piece of
wire in it and simply bend it over the edges of the plastic. Bingo, a grab
iron. The taller the triangle combined with a narrow base gives you a LOT
of slots which vary in length only slightly as you go from one slot to the
next.



I built one of these for a zero cost using scraps from the plastic box and
it works great.



Hopefully my description makes sense.



Allen Cain






Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

tmolsen@...
 

Thanks Richard,
I did not have the earlier register, but your post really narrows it done to some time between April 1944 and October 1944 since the register cover dates are three months after the effective dates.

I used to live in Merchantville NJ and the portion of the Pemberton Branch that ran through the limits of the town boundaries paid enough taxes to fund the schools in town. They did not call New Jersey the "Gestapo" state for nothing when it comes to property taxes! The railroads have always paid a disproportionate share of the property taxes because they were an easy target.

Best regards,
Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292


Making grab irons

Doug Polinder
 

Allen is referring to, I believe, the sidebar on p. 89 in Ted Culotta's fourth installment of the Essential Freight Car series in the July 2003 RMC on NP's double-sheathed boxcars. In the same issue on p. 66 Mike Rose also illustrates building straight and drop grabs (although on cars out of scope for STMFC).

This issue is one of RMC's high-water marks for mid-century freight-car modelers, what with the above articles and techniques as well as two product reviews, one of Sylvan's HO Canadian National autobox and the other of Lionel's O PS-5, and a pictorial of a layout of Hamilton ON in 1958 and Keith Kohlmann's description of the American Motors auto loading facility for its plant in Kenosha WI.

Doug Polinder
Grand Rapids MI




________________________________
Re: Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device
Posted by: "Allen Cain" allencain@tampabay.rr.com allen_cain
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:29 pm ((PST))

Folks,



The Mission Model bending jig looks really nice but $90 puts it out of may
range for a specialty tool.



Sometime back one of the magazines ran an article where a piece of sheet
plastic with manufactured scribed slots (siding?) was cut in a triangular
shape with the slots running parallel to the base of the triangle. Then,
you pick the slot that matches the width that you need and lay a piece of
wire in it and simply bend it over the edges of the plastic. Bingo, a grab
iron. The taller the triangle combined with a narrow base gives you a LOT
of slots which vary in length only slightly as you go from one slot to the
next.



I built one of these for a zero cost using scraps from the plastic box and
it works great.



Hopefully my description makes sense.



Allen Cain


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Robert kirkham
 

ironic: "type" should read "typo"

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From: "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@live.ca>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 1:56 PM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Good catch Steve! With "01" tacked on, we'd have a 7 digit number. Allen -
can you clarify if there is a type here?

Rob Kirkham

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From: "steve l" <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:19 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Allen--47902 would be a correct number for a company-service CN car that
was confined to CN rails. But CN 47902_ would have been a 40', 10' i.h.
steel boxcar, built by Canadian Car and Foundry with a flat panel roof and
square-corner SDE's in May or June, 1940 (Swain series 10). I take it
that the final digit of the car number is missing, or ??

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Allen Rueter <allen_282@...> wrote:

Just one CN 47902

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Allen Rueter StLouis MO







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