Bill,



Hopefully, these various types of crates and their produce shipped in them will find their way into your box also?  I'm so ready to leave this "wonderful warm weather" up here in Michigan . . . if I could.



Al Kresse


----- Original Message -----
From: "feddersenmark" <feddersenmark@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 11:23:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Barrel Crates - How Common Were These?

In addition to working for DuPont in Clinton, Iowa, my father ran a one man insurance agency out of a desk in our dining room for Union Insurance Co. of Lincoln, Nebraska. Every summer for several years in the early 50's, the president of the company would send a gift of about a dozen cantaloupe, presumedly grown near Lincoln, boxed in a crate made of slats about 5" x 1/4" nailed to a 3/4" x whatever top and bottom and re-enforced with wire. They were delivered to our door by the REA and arrived in good condition. I don't know how they were routed from Lincoln to Clinton, but I assume (I know) it was via passenger train (UP/C&NW) in an express car. I always looked forward to their arrival as they were the best. Mark Feddersen




--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@> wrote:

Although the caption characterizes these as barrels, they are really more like cylindrical crates with slates to promote contact with cool air. I have accumulated several resources related to various forms of shipping containers for produce related to researching the FGE/WFE/BRE companies. What most of us would call and recognize as barrels were used to ship potatoes and apples. Most citrus was shipped in rectangular crates which one publication called simply "Orange and Grapefruit boxes."

Many crops required specifically designed shipping containers while potatoes, for example was also loaded in bulk into reefers and in paper or burlap bags. Peaches moved in specially designed baskets while asparagus were shipped in a box that was shaped like a trapezoid the given vegetables  shape once they were bundled and tied together.

Attendees at Cocoa Beach will get a little taste of containers in my presentation there (shameless self-promotion).

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Nolan Hinshaw <cearnog@> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bob C wrote:

This image is from the Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library's  
Burgert Brothers Photographic Archives.  The caption reads, "Barrel  
crates of Pinellas County citrus fruit loaded in boxcar for  
shipment: Elfers, Fla. The date is 1931.  (I believe the "boxcar"  
is actually a reefer.)

http://digital.hcplc.org/burgert/archive09/8263.jpg

I have never seen barrel crates before.  Were these very common?

Idunno, but I really appreciated an image illustrating hexagonal
closest packing of circles. Meanwhile the imagination runs rampant
with possibilities for a project I'm working on.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944
"[Vista is] about as stable as a one-legged elephant on a skateboard"
C. Daniels

Although the caption characterizes these as barrels, they are really more like cylindrical crates with slates to promote contact with cool air. I have accumulated several resources related to various forms of shipping containers for produce related to researching the FGE/WFE/BRE companies. What most of us would call and recognize as barrels were used to ship potatoes and apples. Most citrus was shipped in rectangular crates which one publication called simply "Orange and Grapefruit boxes."

Many crops required specifically designed shipping containers while potatoes, for example was also loaded in bulk into reefers and in paper or burlap bags. Peaches moved in specially designed baskets while asparagus were shipped in a box that was shaped like a trapezoid the given vegetables  shape once they were bundled and tied together.

Attendees at Cocoa Beach will get a little taste of containers in my presentation there (shameless self-promotion).

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Nolan Hinshaw <cearnog@> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bob C wrote:

This image is from the Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library's  
Burgert Brothers Photographic Archives.  The caption reads, "Barrel  
crates of Pinellas County citrus fruit loaded in boxcar for  
shipment: Elfers, Fla. The date is 1931.  (I believe the "boxcar"  
is actually a reefer.)

http://digital.hcplc.org/burgert/archive09/8263.jpg

I have never seen barrel crates before.  Were these very common?

Idunno, but I really appreciated an image illustrating hexagonal
closest packing of circles. Meanwhile the imagination runs rampant
with possibilities for a project I'm working on.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944
"[Vista is] about as stable as a one-legged elephant on a skateboard"
C. Daniels

Although the caption characterizes these as barrels, they are really more like cylindrical crates with slates to promote contact with cool air. I have accumulated several resources related to various forms of shipping containers for produce related to researching the FGE/WFE/BRE companies. What most of us would call and recognize as barrels were used to ship potatoes and apples. Most citrus was shipped in rectangular crates which one publication called simply "Orange and Grapefruit boxes."

Many crops required specifically designed shipping containers while potatoes, for example was also loaded in bulk into reefers and in paper or burlap bags. Peaches moved in specially designed baskets while asparagus were shipped in a box that was shaped like a trapezoid the given vegetables  shape once they were bundled and tied together.

Attendees at Cocoa Beach will get a little taste of containers in my presentation there (shameless self-promotion).

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Nolan Hinshaw <cearnog@> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bob C wrote:

This image is from the Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library's  
Burgert Brothers Photographic Archives.  The caption reads, "Barrel  
crates of Pinellas County citrus fruit loaded in boxcar for  
shipment: Elfers, Fla. The date is 1931.  (I believe the "boxcar"  
is actually a reefer.)

http://digital.hcplc.org/burgert/archive09/8263.jpg

I have never seen barrel crates before.  Were these very common?

Idunno, but I really appreciated an image illustrating hexagonal
closest packing of circles. Meanwhile the imagination runs rampant
with possibilities for a project I'm working on.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944
"[Vista is] about as stable as a one-legged elephant on a skateboard"
C. Daniels

Hi

I am looking for information on CNW/CMO slogan boxcars. So far this is what I have found.

April 1976 North Western Lines

April 1981 North Western Lines by Fred Hartwig

Summer 1983 North Western Lines by Clem Devine

December 1986 Prototype Modeler by Lloyd Rinehart

Fall 1996 North Western Lines by Jeff Koeller

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia volume 1 by Pat Wider and Ed Hawkins
_____________________________________________________

The early 1937 slogans. From what I can tell theses slogans were used on both sides of the car.

CMO's ROUTE OF THE 400

CNW's ROUTE OF THE 400 AND THE STREAMLINERS and later changed to just ROUTE OF THE 400
_____________________________________________________

And 5 slogans that started in 1944

THE OVERLAND ROUTE

ROUTE OF THE 400 FLEET

ROUTE OF THE 400 STREAMLINERS

ROUTE OF THE CHALLENGERS

ROUTE OF THE STREAMLINERS
_____________________________________________________


Thanks for any help.

Tim

Although the caption characterizes these as barrels, they are really more like cylindrical crates with slates to promote contact with cool air. I have accumulated several resources related to various forms of shipping containers for produce related to researching the FGE/WFE/BRE companies. What most of us would call and recognize as barrels were used to ship potatoes and apples. Most citrus was shipped in rectangular crates which one publication called simply "Orange and Grapefruit boxes."

Many crops required specifically designed shipping containers while potatoes, for example was also loaded in bulk into reefers and in paper or burlap bags. Peaches moved in specially designed baskets while asparagus were shipped in a box that was shaped like a trapezoid the given vegetables shape once they were bundled and tied together.

Attendees at Cocoa Beach will get a little taste of containers in my presentation there (shameless self-promotion).

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Nolan Hinshaw <cearnog@> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bob C wrote:

This image is from the Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library's
Burgert Brothers Photographic Archives. The caption reads, "Barrel
crates of Pinellas County citrus fruit loaded in boxcar for
shipment: Elfers, Fla. The date is 1931. (I believe the "boxcar"
is actually a reefer.)

http://digital.hcplc.org/burgert/archive09/8263.jpg

I have never seen barrel crates before. Were these very common?

Idunno, but I really appreciated an image illustrating hexagonal
closest packing of circles. Meanwhile the imagination runs rampant
with possibilities for a project I'm working on.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944
"[Vista is] about as stable as a one-legged elephant on a skateboard"
C. Daniels

On Jan 3, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bob C wrote:

This image is from the Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library's
Burgert Brothers Photographic Archives. The caption reads, "Barrel
crates of Pinellas County citrus fruit loaded in boxcar for
shipment: Elfers, Fla. The date is 1931. (I believe the "boxcar"
is actually a reefer.)

http://digital.hcplc.org/burgert/archive09/8263.jpg

I have never seen barrel crates before. Were these very common?

Idunno, but I really appreciated an image illustrating hexagonal
closest packing of circles. Meanwhile the imagination runs rampant
with possibilities for a project I'm working on.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944
"[Vista is] about as stable as a one-legged elephant on a skateboard"
C. Daniels

Or use the TMW-202 trucks and number the car as a Bx-11. There's only a slight difference in the ends and a couple correctable grab irons, and the trucks will be correct. That's what I'm going to do <g>.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?

Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
going to get.

Richard Hendrickson

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Many years ago, I was looking desperately for some PSC GP handrail
brackets. I ordered them from Walthers and kept getting an answer
"Out of stock at the manufacturer." This went on for months.
Finally, I realized that PSC was essentially up the road a ways - I
lived in San Francisco then, and at that time PSC was located in
Woodland CA, just up Interstate 80 a few miles. So, I called
information and got their phone number, called them up and asked
when they would be making more of the particular part I wanted. I
was greeted with laughter, not mean laughter, but laughter
nonetheless. When he regained his composure, he asked "How many
pounds of them would you like?"
That little story is to suggest that you should call PSC
directly. I suspect you could get several pounds of the "Brass
Angle Cock Brackets" if you do so.

Exactly. Walthers is like a lot of hobby shops. When they say "out
of stock," it may easily just mean "not convenient for us to order
right now," as Signature Press has learned also with MANY hobby shops
regarding our books.
I recently arranged a bulk order of PSC parts with little trouble
and a nice discount. DO call them.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?

Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
going to get.

Richard Hendrickson