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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
I guess I should step in here and mention the issue #7 of my newsletter WORK EXTRA is all about the Lidgerwood Rapid Unloader, including all the photos I have of them and plans. Those interested in purchasing a copy can contact me at the above e-mail address.
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita springs, FL
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From: Lloyd Keyser <lloydkeyser@...> To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2020 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: Lidgerwoods There is an excellent full page article on the C&NW Lidgerwood car pulling a ten wheeler backwards at the 40th Street shops in Chicago. The brake shoes are replaced with cutters to reshape the tire back into the proper contour without having to use a drop pit. The article has two pictures and drawings of the cutters. I cannot scan so it is on page 42 of Volume II C&NW in Color by Lloyd Keyser published by Morning Sun.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:48 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Don Valentine wrote:
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Re: June 1941. "Railroad yards. Milwaukee, WI
John Barry
Thanks Doug, I have a full set of the RPCs and have only begun to scratch the surface. John John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 08:16:04 PM EDT, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
Just about all meat packers used leased reefers from the 30s on. Those reefers could have the meat packers reporting marks or could have the reporting marks of the owner. Union Refrigeration, General American, Mather, North American were all major players in the leased meat reefer market. Even companies that had their own reporting marks, also used reefers with the owner’s reporting marks and the meat packers name or logo.
Dubuque, leased from several companies, including both Union Refrigeration and General American. I don’t have a color photo of a Dubuque meat reefer in the P/L as shown in the photo. But I do have a b/w photo, see attached.
URTX cars tended to be more orange, which can be verified by looking through Gene Green’s Refrigerator Color Guide by Morning Sun. This book has the later Dubuque scheme, but not the earlier P/L as seen in the 1941 MILW yard photo.
Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #14 has photos of General American Meat reefers, including a photo of car leased to Dubuque on p. 90. It is not lettered for Dubuque and has URTX reporting marks. Remember General American purchased Union Refrigeration in 1929.
Note the color variations on the two MDT reefers just beyond the Northern Refrigerator Car Co reefer.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Also of note is the URTX meat reefer marked for Dubuque Packing Company. What color is that, orange? Very different from the adjacent Northern Refrigerator to the right or the Milwaukee branded car to the left. And the dark lettering contrasts with the white seen on the tonally similar MILW boxes in the forground.
John Barry
ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA
707-490-9696
PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 02:03:13 PM EDT, John Larkin via groups.io <jflarkingrc@...> wrote:
That shot highlights 3 Milwaukee boxcars with 3 different paint schemes. I'm not a Milwaukee expert by any means but the cars appear to be built to the same plan. That's one of the best pix I've ever seen illustrating how paint schemes can vary on what appears to be identical cars.
John Larkin
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:09:21 PM CDT, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Lloyd Keyser
There is an excellent full page article on the C&NW Lidgerwood car pulling a ten wheeler backwards at the 40th Street shops in Chicago. The brake shoes are replaced with cutters to reshape the tire back into the proper contour without having to use a drop pit. The article has two pictures and drawings of the cutters. I cannot scan so it is on page 42 of Volume II C&NW in Color by Lloyd Keyser published by Morning Sun.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:48 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
It's a poor copy but you will get the idea.
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MP USRA gon, was FSA/OWI photos
mopacfirst
Looking closer at the broadside photo of the MP gon, the door latches are plainly visible. The MP diagram says these are Wine.
But I've also noticed that on the Intermountain model, there are no latches. Were there some drop door designs that didn't need these? I'm assuming not, but I'd like to throw that question out. Back to the prototype, there are four guys shoveling the contents over the side. Their aim was pretty good, since there are four discrete piles on the embankment. The doors probably wouldn't have been a good idea here. After these 3000 cars were built in 1919, MoPac ordered 750 clones in 1925, with 10 drop doors instead of 8. In typical MP practice, along with the AB brake upgrade the cars also got power brake gear Moving forward in time, by 1949 a number of the original cars were rebuilt with steel sides. The last of them lasted to the late fifties. Another note on the diagram says 'a few of these cars are fitted up to haul containers', meaning the small Youngstown limestone containers. Ron Merrick
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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
bill woelfel
Thats not really a wrecker, looks more like a locomotive crane for handling material, note the long, non solid boom. This may have been all that was available at the time, but still.......... I operated cranes like this at my brief tenure on the C&NW Proviso, Il. in the 70's. Never tried to lift a car. Bill W
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
A little OT, Lidgerwood is still in business, they make car pullers and ship winches.
-Hudson
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Tony Thompson
Don Valentine wrote:
Of course, but you no doubt realize that pulling the drivers off a steam locomotive to take them to the lathe might be more trouble that the Lidgerwood method, which is carried on without disassembling the running gear. Photo below, taken in 1949 at West Oakland. You can see the cable heading off to the left that pulls the locomotive (Arnold Menke collection). For those interested, the flat car is an old F-50-2. Tony Thompson
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Hi Tony, Jeez Tony, I thought that's what the made wheel lathes for! I'd like to see a photo of that. Thanks for offering one. Not sure when it was retired but know where to check. The Rutland had one at least up into the early into the early 1940's and rented it to the St.J. & L.C. from time to time as well. I'd agree that it must have been really tough on the ballast cars especially when any curvature of the track occurred, which we know it did quite often. The photos I have are evidence of that as well. Still neat equipment to my mind, however. Steam operated and mechanical. What could be better?? My best, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Boiler Loads
WILLIAM PARDIE
Can anyone suggest proper cribbing for a boiler load such as this? Bull Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> Date: 4/13/20 12:47 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boiler Loads Bob, And it's on a WP flat car. WP 2614 was part of series 2401-2700. These were ordered from Mt. Vernon, but actually built by AC&F. They are 50' cars, and were a match for series 2351-2400 built in 1937 by PC&F. Chad Boas offers a resin kit that matches either group. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:48 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941
Close examination shows missing boards in a couple of spots!
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of G.J. Irwin <groups@...>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 5:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941 Unloading 'coal' (looks like cinders or gravel to me) - MP USRA gondola
https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8a03846/ I dare say (and it IS "dare" in this group!) that the 1960's tooled Bachmann/Parkway issue N Scale model of this car doesn't look that bad against the prototype. This general MP paint scheme was offered. (It certainly helps that the view is from rather far away...) George Irwin
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Re: Photo: Boiler Loads
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Bob, And it's on a WP flat car. WP 2614 was part of series 2401-2700. These were ordered from Mt. Vernon, but actually built by AC&F. They are 50' cars, and were a match for series 2351-2400 built in 1937 by PC&F. Chad Boas offers a resin kit that matches either group. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:48 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Riding the Rods Part 2 GN 9996
Richard Remiarz
Nicely done car Bill! I also bought some of these “just in case” and have one more to build.
Rich Remiarz Vadnais Heights, MN
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:56 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Riding the Rods Part 2 GN 9996
Here is a Great Northern truss rod boxcar inspired by a circa 1954 photo by the late Bruce Meyer built w/a Westerfield kit I ordered when Al announced he was retiring and selling his business. i ordered several
kits "just in case" he did not find a buyer—Thank you Andrew Dahm! Pretty much out-of-the-box except for the scratch built Running Board system, and the brass wire and brass turnbuckles for the underframe. Decals are from the kit plus the GN medallion from
a Microscale set as I wanted to exactly copy the reference photo I used. The only variance is the GN reweigh location because I could not find the "Q" I needed. Obviously need to install the brake wheel. Painted w/Badger's
"Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red."
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Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941
G.J. Irwin
Unloading 'coal' (looks like cinders or gravel to me) - MP USRA gondola
https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8a03846/ I dare say (and it IS "dare" in this group!) that the 1960's tooled Bachmann/Parkway issue N Scale model of this car doesn't look that bad against the prototype. This general MP paint scheme was offered. (It certainly helps that the view is from rather far away...) George Irwin
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Re: June 1941. "Railroad yards. Milwaukee, WI
Ted Schnepf
Hello, Please notice the newest paint scheme with the herald (third car) still has a wood roof. Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 01:03:13 PM CDT, John Larkin via groups.io <jflarkingrc@...> wrote: That shot highlights 3 Milwaukee boxcars with 3 different paint schemes. I'm not a Milwaukee expert by any means but the cars appear to be built to the same plan. That's one of the best pix I've ever seen illustrating how paint schemes can vary on what appears to be identical cars. John Larkin On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:09:21 PM CDT, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:
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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
Tony Thompson
Don Valentine wrote:
Don, two comments. First, after about 1915, very few railroads used Lidgerwoods for plowing out side-door ballast cars. It was TERRIBLY hard on the cars. Second point, lots of railroads did use Lidgerwoods to pull locomotives (with cutters in place of brake shoes) for wheel tire contour truing. There are several pictures of the SP practice in Bob Church's steam books. I can send one if you like. Tony Thompson
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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
Bill Welch
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 03:39 PM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
It probably would work, IF the roof can be removed easily. Bill Welch
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Re: Rapido diesel accuracy was RE: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
spsalso
Schyler,
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I am glad I was able to clear up your error in making your assumption about SP&S people. I assure you, there are a goodly number of people, other than myself, that take the SP&S seriously, and advocate for it. Ed Edward Sutorik
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 01:45 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
Norm Buckhart
that’s not a problem - I will complete the sizing here - maybe half size or quarter size?
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On Apr 13, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote: The coupler sits a bit low. I need to add a shim but I will install short shank couplers first. The flat car's couplers are at the right height.
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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
Kemal Mumcu
The coupler sits a bit low. I need to add a shim but I will install short shank couplers first. The flat car's couplers are at the right height.
Colin Meikle
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