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Re: IC green and yellow refrigerators

pennsylvania1954
 

Google Maps is a help. Search for McComb MS. Over to the right, click on McComb Railroad Museum. Click on the museum photo at upper left to get a street view at the museum. Now you can "walk" down the street and turn left to get a partial view of the steel IC ice reefer behind the steam engine. Seems to be white, maybe light grey, on sides, end, and roof with black lettering. Nice that this is all under a roof. Sorry, Lester; this isn't any help for you.
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Document: Rules For Loading Long Materials

Bob Chaparro
 

Document: Rules For Loading Long Materials

A 1908 PRR document archived by the PRR Railfan website:

http://prr.railfan.net/documents/pdf/GeneralNotices/GeneralNotice-176-F_RulesForLoadingLongMaterials_1908.pdf

This link may load very slowly.

The document has over 100 pages and contains charts and illustrations.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Chicago & Alton Hopper Car 25101

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Chicago & Alton Hopper Car 25101

A circa 1900 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/item/2016808838/

Use the Download box for larger versions of this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: IC green and yellow refrigerators

mopacfirst
 

I think there's one at McComb, Mississippi, on the west side of the main line right opposite the station.  It's under roof, along with some stuff that's not freight cars.  I've only seen the side of it that you can see from the train.  It's probably in the last scheme.

This car has significance for me because the line that brought the banana cars to my city was the MP, from St. Louis I presume.

Ron Merrick


Re: EJ&E diagonal plate loader

Rich C
 

This is located in Joliet on the Des Plaines river. It is part of the I & M canal. Just west of this photo it enters the canal locks.

I used to frequent this area quite a bit, when I lived there.

Rich Christie

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 09:05:31 AM CDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Group;

 

Do any of you know anything about the attached EJ&E diagonal plate loader?  Series?  Builder?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Elden Gatwood


EJ&E diagonal plate loader

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Do any of you know anything about the attached EJ&E diagonal plate loader?  Series?  Builder?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: IC green and yellow refrigerators

Bruce Smith
 

Lester,

I'm not sure why your search of the archives wasn't successful. A simple "IC reefer" got 155 messages from which it was easy to pull out the paint and lettering information. Now, I will admit that the information in those messages can be confusing and at times contradictory. The old search engine got every hit for "ice reefer" but the new one seems pretty good at pulling out the "IC".

The scheme on these Illinois Central refrigerator cars is pretty cool, and changed over time. In the interests of sanity (so it won't drive you "bananas" so to speak!), I have summarized what I have learned (in the process of gathering information for my 2 kits from Stan R).

As built 
50000-50299, 1937, square corner ends
yellow-orange sides, black underbody (including side tabs), olive green lettering, herald, ends, side sill and soffit stripe, ladders, grabs, side tack boards, door hardware, aluminum roof.

50300-50499, 1940-42, round corner ends
yellow-orange sides, black underbody (including side tabs), olive green lettering, herald, ends, and side sill stripe, and olive green roof.

Note that side tack boards were painted a contrasting olive or black at some point. 

Post WWII (1945), these cars were: 
yellow-orange sides, black ends, black underbody (including side tabs), roof, green lettering, herald and side sill stripe.

Mid to late 1950s - MDT/NRC scheme - orange sides, box car red roof, ends, black underbody, side sill/tabs, black lettering, green IC diamond. Some cars may have had black ends. 

A suggestion for the olive green was Southern Green, lightened slightly with white.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] IC green and yellow refrigerators
 
I see models from different manufactures of IC metal side refrigerators with yellow paint and green lettering on sides and some with black, or boxcar red or green ends and roof. Did any of these schemes appear in a prototype?  I ask this as search of archieves did not produce an answer.  Thank you in advance for help.
Lester Breuer


Re: Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

Mont Switzer
 

and Martin and Pat Lofton.  Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of mel perry [clipper841@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

sure hope they build some ptotection,
from the elements
mel perry

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 5:44 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
I have a friendship started at a Naperville decades ago. A good modeler, Ron also is very helpful to the local Montecello Illinois railroad museum. When Ron was told about a pair of tank cars at a local ADM plant which were to be scrapped Ron worked out a purchase for donating the tank car pair to the museum. He later gave an endowment of enough money to fund the restorations which has now been recently completed in glorious tank car nervana. Ron is a special guy, even beyond this tank car pair, for he has purchased a section of Iowa farm land which he has been working by hand to restore the property to High Grass Prarie condition. He has the property destined to be donated to a group dedicated to preserving Iowa High grass Prarie. A great modeler, and an even greater person!

I have mentioned to folks many times that when at Naperville I seemed to always be missing some clinic due to my being occupied in conversation with interesting modelers. From early 20th Century modeler Howard Garner, to late TOFC modeler, Richard Yaremko and numerous others in between, I have had great stays at Naperville. The loss of these events thisn year reminds me how much I appreciate the RPM meets. Thanks go to the pioneers, such as Richard Hendrickson and Tony Thompson who sensed the importance of such gatherings.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Hi Ron,

Finally done!  Lots of time spent getting cars shimmed to correct coupler height, repacked, and air systems worked over to get them tightened up so they'll work as intended.  The newer of the two, now AESX 105, put up a real fight with air leaks all over the place.  Had to replace nearly all the flange gaskets on the brake valve pipe bracket, re-seal the nipples/couplings at both angle cocks, replace the brake pipe cutout/dirt collector, and found the retainer/exhaust pipe was plugged with dirt that had become the consistency of concrete, causing the brakes to release really slow.  GATX 7297 wasn't nearly as recalcitrant, other than a badly corroded brake cylinder.

Kent

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Re: IC green and yellow refrigerators

Bill Welch
 

Sunshine offered a kit of the IC steel reefer too.

Bill Welch


Re: IC green and yellow refrigerators

Andy Cich
 

Lester,

 

The answer to your question is yes. See Ted Culotta’s Reference Manual #3, Refrigerator Cars, for black and white photos. Ted mentions the color scheme in the text. See Gene Green’s reefer book for color photos with NRC reporting marks. The IC Historical Society Magazine, The Green Diamond, April 1997 issue covered banana traffic on the railroad and offers good insight into the operation of these cars.

 

Stan Rydarowicz offered kits for the IC reefers. I am fortunate to have 2. See attached photos.

 

Andy Cich

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] IC green and yellow refrigerators

 

I see models from different manufactures of IC metal side refrigerators with yellow paint and green lettering on sides and some with black, or boxcar red or green ends and roof. Did any of these schemes appear in a prototype?  I ask this as search of archieves did not produce an answer.  Thank you in advance for help.
Lester Breuer


IC green and yellow refrigerators

Lester Breuer
 

I see models from different manufactures of IC metal side refrigerators with yellow paint and green lettering on sides and some with black, or boxcar red or green ends and roof. Did any of these schemes appear in a prototype?  I ask this as search of archieves did not produce an answer.  Thank you in advance for help.
Lester Breuer


Re: Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

mel perry
 

sure hope they build some ptotection,
from the elements
mel perry

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 5:44 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
I have a friendship started at a Naperville decades ago. A good modeler, Ron also is very helpful to the local Montecello Illinois railroad museum. When Ron was told about a pair of tank cars at a local ADM plant which were to be scrapped Ron worked out a purchase for donating the tank car pair to the museum. He later gave an endowment of enough money to fund the restorations which has now been recently completed in glorious tank car nervana. Ron is a special guy, even beyond this tank car pair, for he has purchased a section of Iowa farm land which he has been working by hand to restore the property to High Grass Prarie condition. He has the property destined to be donated to a group dedicated to preserving Iowa High grass Prarie. A great modeler, and an even greater person!

I have mentioned to folks many times that when at Naperville I seemed to always be missing some clinic due to my being occupied in conversation with interesting modelers. From early 20th Century modeler Howard Garner, to late TOFC modeler, Richard Yaremko and numerous others in between, I have had great stays at Naperville. The loss of these events thisn year reminds me how much I appreciate the RPM meets. Thanks go to the pioneers, such as Richard Hendrickson and Tony Thompson who sensed the importance of such gatherings.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Hi Ron,

Finally done!  Lots of time spent getting cars shimmed to correct coupler height, repacked, and air systems worked over to get them tightened up so they'll work as intended.  The newer of the two, now AESX 105, put up a real fight with air leaks all over the place.  Had to replace nearly all the flange gaskets on the brake valve pipe bracket, re-seal the nipples/couplings at both angle cocks, replace the brake pipe cutout/dirt collector, and found the retainer/exhaust pipe was plugged with dirt that had become the consistency of concrete, causing the brakes to release really slow.  GATX 7297 wasn't nearly as recalcitrant, other than a badly corroded brake cylinder.

Kent

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Re: Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

I have mentioned to folks many times that when at Naperville I seemed to always be missing some clinic due to my being occupied in conversation with interesting modelers. From early 20th Century modeler Howard Garner, to late TOFC modeler, Richard Yaremko and numerous others in between, I have had great stays at Naperville. The loss of these events thisn year reminds me how much I appreciate the RPM meets. Thanks go to the pioneers, such as Richard Hendrickson and Tony Thompson who sensed the importance of such gatherings.

   Richard and I used to call Naperville "the Freight Car National."

Tony Thompson




Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

Andy Carlson
 

I have a friendship started at a Naperville decades ago. A good modeler, Ron also is very helpful to the local Montecello Illinois railroad museum. When Ron was told about a pair of tank cars at a local ADM plant which were to be scrapped Ron worked out a purchase for donating the tank car pair to the museum. He later gave an endowment of enough money to fund the restorations which has now been recently completed in glorious tank car nervana. Ron is a special guy, even beyond this tank car pair, for he has purchased a section of Iowa farm land which he has been working by hand to restore the property to High Grass Prarie condition. He has the property destined to be donated to a group dedicated to preserving Iowa High grass Prarie. A great modeler, and an even greater person!

I have mentioned to folks many times that when at Naperville I seemed to always be missing some clinic due to my being occupied in conversation with interesting modelers. From early 20th Century modeler Howard Garner, to late TOFC modeler, Richard Yaremko and numerous others in between, I have had great stays at Naperville. The loss of these events thisn year reminds me how much I appreciate the RPM meets. Thanks go to the pioneers, such as Richard Hendrickson and Tony Thompson who sensed the importance of such gatherings.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Hi Ron,


Finally done!  Lots of time spent getting cars shimmed to correct coupler height, repacked, and air systems worked over to get them tightened up so they'll work as intended.  The newer of the two, now AESX 105, put up a real fight with air leaks all over the place.  Had to replace nearly all the flange gaskets on the brake valve pipe bracket, re-seal the nipples/couplings at both angle cocks, replace the brake pipe cutout/dirt collector, and found the retainer/exhaust pipe was plugged with dirt that had become the consistency of concrete, causing the brakes to release really slow.  GATX 7297 wasn't nearly as recalcitrant, other than a badly corroded brake cylinder.

Kent


Re: Photo: Heinz Wagon On Flatcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
Thanks for the great images. It is a PRR flat, probably a PRR class FM flat. It rolls on archbar trucks.
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:41 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Heinz Wagon On Flatcar

Photo: Heinz Wagon On Flatcar

A 1911 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3AMSP57.B014.I02/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Description: "Along with the high quality of its products, H.J. Heinz Company was known for the elegance of its delivery service. Horse-drawn delivery wagons (likely white with green trimmings) carried boxes of Heinz goods, including mince meat, apple butter, and tomato relish. This type of delivery wagon (pictured here) was drawn by a pair of prize-winning draft horses favored by H.J. Heinz, an expert on horses. The company’s more than 200 horses, mostly pure Percherons, pulled the delivery wagons."

Too bad there is not more of the flatcar visible.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Chicago & Alton Gondola 20694 With Coal Load

David
 

One of 800 gondolas in series 20000-20799 built by Pressed Steel Car in 1900, the last 200 with drop doors.

David Thompson


Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 2010-2019

John H. Reinhardt
 

On 7/14/2020 3:44 PM, Nolan Hinshaw via groups.io wrote:
On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:53, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt@...> wrote:

I know it's been a while but I just got the 10-Year Archive 2010-2019 for my birthday and they arrived today. 
[has no problems with it]

I can't be bothered; on the other hand, I'd buy a boxed set of discs of the first 40 or 50 years of high-quality reproductions without batting the proverbial eye. I, too, have access to the digital archive and keep looking at stuff yea, even unto volume 1 issue 1 on occasion, and keep finding gems.

One part of me wishes I'd bought the original 1934-2009 DVD set, but then again those PDFs *WERE* encrypted and the only way to decode them was the app that came on the DVD.  Unfortunately, as a Mac user, that app only worked up until a certain version of MacOS (somewhere around 10.9 or 10.10 - 7 years ago) and they never updated it so it would be useless for me now.  I would also snap up an un-encrypted re-issue if they ever made it available.  But I am slowly doing a print to PDF of the online archive so at some point it won't really matter although I think the DVD results would be better.

-- 
John H. Reinhardt
  PRRT&HS  #8909
  C&O HS  #11530
  N-Trak   #7566 


Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 2010-2019

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:53, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> wrote:

I know it's been a while but I just got the 10-Year Archive 2010-2019 for my birthday and they arrived today.
[has no problems with it]

I can't be bothered; on the other hand, I'd buy a boxed set of discs of the first 40 or 50 years of high-quality reproductions without batting the proverbial eye. I, too, have access to the digital archive and keep looking at stuff yea, even unto volume 1 issue 1 on occasion, and keep finding gems.


Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 2010-2019

John H. Reinhardt
 

On 5/5/2020 8:20 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I purchased the subject DVD with the intent of loading the database to my desktop and searching across issues for freight car data like I do with the 40 year MR archive. Unfortunately, neither seems possible, as the disk is copy protected, and the only search function is for each individual monthly issue open as a pdf file. Even more objectionable to me is that the archive comes on two DVDs, meaning one must physically change DVDs to view the entire archive. None of this was revealed prior to purchase. Caveat Emptor!!

 

Nelson Moyer

_._,_._,_

I know it's been a while but I just got the 10-Year Archive 2010-2019 for my birthday and they arrived today.  I use a Mac so I haven't looked at what happens on a Windows or even Linux system, but my disks are NOT copy protected. There is no DRM that I can find.  I copied the contents of the two DVD (about 13.8GB) to my Mac's hard drive and I can open any issue with Apple's Preview (Adobe Acrobat clone) with no problem.  The PDF files are hidden in an invisible "PDFs" folder but I copied them out to a visible folder and everything still worked.  There is a basic "index" PDF, one for each disk, which links to "page" PDF files for each year.  The page PDF has a picture of each issue that you click and the appropriate issue opens up.  There is a one-page "How to Use" PDF which explains the basics.

As mentioned there is no in-depth index though so you need some other sort of index to find what you want unless you want to scan each issue.

I have access to the online all encompassing archive and the few issues that I have looked at seem to be of slightly better quality than the issues I have printed to PDF from the online archive.

I wish they had included the GMR and MRP yearly issues instead of the "Special" issues, but that's just me.


Nelson, if you find that hidden "PDFs" folder you should be able to copy it to the hard drive on your computer.

-- 
John H. Reinhardt
  PRRT&HS  #8909
  C&O HS  #11530
  N-Trak   #7566 


Tangent General American 1952 Tank Car GATX Number

pennsylvania1954
 

I have one of these beautiful 8000 gal. models which is now an undec. Tangent says most of these cars had billboard schemes for their lessee operators, but not all. Can anyone point to a mid-50's photo of one of these cars in plain black with GATX reporting marks? Thanks!
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

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