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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:
The bodies of the cars were identical. The G-70-8 cars built in 1951 were originally painted black with white stencils. Technically, the Tangent model is actually more accurate for the G-70-8 because these prototype cars came with U.S. Gypsum brake steps that the model replicates nicely. The G-70-12 cars had Kerrigan brake steps, which were a rectangular open grid similar to Apex Tri-Lok. In addition to coverage of these SP gondola cars in Tony's book, RP CYC Vol. 19 has a comprehensive 53-page article covering all prototype cars . . .
Ed is correct, as photos in my book show. The other, very minor difference is that different draft gear was used in the two classes, and careful examination of the draft gear opening; in the car end will show the difference, but this is below the level of significance that any but the most meticulous modeler would recognize.
I hope that Tangent will presently release a black G-70-8 too!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


New models was Re: Naperville

Scott Pitzer
 

I figured "WT" stood for Wagon Top. Or maybe it means Wright-Trak. Or from Tom's perspective, it could mean Wasted Time?
Somehow "a work of art" is still a compliment while "a real piece of work" became an insult, some time ago.

You know with these kids today... if they say a car is "bad" they mean "good"! (Sounds like a 1970 episode of "Here's Lucy"...)

Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pullmanboss" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

The new B&O WT box car is a real piece of work.
Clark, back where I grew up that comment was invariably delivered with a head shake and was never meant as a compliment. I assume you mean it positively in this case??

Tom Madden


End of Naperville.

Dave Nelson
 

It was my understanding this was the last Naperville meet. Did Martin
provide an explanation? Any Sunshine business and/or soon-to-be-available
announcements?

Dave Nelson


New models was Re: Naperville

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

The new B&O WT box car is a real piece of work.
Clark, back where I grew up that comment was invariably delivered with a head shake and was never meant as a compliment. I assume you mean it positively in this case??

Tom Madden


New models was Re: Naperville

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Eldon, yes the new B&O model in the M53. If there are a ton of rivets on the other class of Tangent gon, I guess I'm glad I chose the RTR gondola then. I was just thinking of putting a row on each side to the side stakes. One doesn't thnk clearly Saturday morning in the sales room : )
Thanks for the Pennsy decal advice.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Clark;

>The new B&O WT box car is a real piece of work. I hesitated to buy one,
because I'd like to shed my Sunshine and F&C models first. Besides the flat
door was not available with this first batch of kits. I thought the SAL gon
was a real beauty too and may yet buy one.

The M-53?

Come to Trainfest in Milwaukee in a couple weeks and maybe sell me a couple
kits <VBG>
I also bought the new Tangent Gon. I was very tempted to buy the undec and
order some of the Archer rivets to make a different class car. Anyone else
have this idea?

I had that same idea, but you should see all the rivets!

I picked up my RP Cyc from Ed at the show which has an article on these
cars. I saw Ed presentation too, which gave me the idea. Are there decals
that will work for these cars?

You can do either PRR G31C or G31E using an undec and bashing the ends on the
latter. Middle Division had several sets that could be used. The Champ sets
are not so good. You could also use Al Westerfield's sets, with some mods.

Elden Gatwood


Re: New models was Re: Naperville

seaboard_1966
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] New models was Re: Naperville


Clark;

The new B&O WT box car is a real piece of work. I hesitated to buy one,
because I'd like to shed my Sunshine and F&C models first. Besides the flat
door was not available with this first batch of kits. I thought the SAL gon
was a real beauty too and may yet buy one.

The M-53?
Yes, WrightTRAK showed a brand new tooled M53/M53A. This is THE most accruate B&O wagontop car done to date. IT will be featured on the front page of our website starting tomorrow, when Gary gets home. Retail price is 49.95 with a 5% discount for 3 cars and a 10% discount for 5 or more cars. Shipping is going to be a flat $6.50 up to 5 cars. The decals for the car were done with the assistance of the B&O Historical Society and cover the life span of the car. Also, watch for a flat panel and a Creco door in the near future.

Denis Blake
Marketing Director
WrightTRAK Railroad Models, LLC


Re: New models was Re: Naperville

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Clark;

>The new B&O WT box car is a real piece of work. I hesitated to buy one,
because I'd like to shed my Sunshine and F&C models first. Besides the flat
door was not available with this first batch of kits. I thought the SAL gon
was a real beauty too and may yet buy one.

The M-53?

Come to Trainfest in Milwaukee in a couple weeks and maybe sell me a couple
kits <VBG>
I also bought the new Tangent Gon. I was very tempted to buy the undec and
order some of the Archer rivets to make a different class car. Anyone else
have this idea?

I had that same idea, but you should see all the rivets!

I picked up my RP Cyc from Ed at the show which has an article on these
cars. I saw Ed presentation too, which gave me the idea. Are there decals
that will work for these cars?

You can do either PRR G31C or G31E using an undec and bashing the ends on the
latter. Middle Division had several sets that could be used. The Champ sets
are not so good. You could also use Al Westerfield's sets, with some mods.

Elden Gatwood


Re: New models was Re: Naperville

seaboard_1966
 

Clark

We will indeed be at Trainfest, can we hold you to your word? <G>

Thanks for the comments on our new products, they did extremely well for us.

See you guys at Trainfest.

Denis Blake

----- Original Message -----
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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] New models was Re: Naperville




The new B&O WT box car is a real piece of work. I hesitated to buy one, because I'd like to shed my Sunshine and F&C models first. Besides the flat door was not available with this first batch of kits. I thought the SAL gon was a real beauty too and may yet buy one.

Come to Trainfest in Milwaukee in a couple weeks and maybe sell me a couple kits <VBG>

I also bought the new Tangent Gon. I was very tempted to buy the undec and order some of the Archer rivets to make a different class car. Anyone else have this idea? I picked up my RP Cyc from Ed at the show which has an article on these cars. I saw Ed presentation too, which gave me the idea. Are there decals that will work for these cars?

Clark Propst



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New models was Re: Naperville

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

The new B&O WT box car is a real piece of work. I hesitated to buy one, because I'd like to shed my Sunshine and F&C models first. Besides the flat door was not available with this first batch of kits. I thought the SAL gon was a real beauty too and may yet buy one.

Come to Trainfest in Milwaukee in a couple weeks and maybe sell me a couple kits <VBG>

I also bought the new Tangent Gon. I was very tempted to buy the undec and order some of the Archer rivets to make a different class car. Anyone else have this idea? I picked up my RP Cyc from Ed at the show which has an article on these cars. I saw Ed presentation too, which gave me the idea. Are there decals that will work for these cars?

Clark Propst


Re: 46 ft. Flatcars?

joth1930s
 

Hello,

Regarding the Q. on the CPR 46' flat cars:

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

The CPR built 800 46' flat cars between 1929 and 1938 starting with five-hundred CCF built 300000 through 300499 (the CPSIG website has a plan of this series built in 1929). 100 more were built in 1931 in the 300500- 300599 series. There is a photo of one of the last series of 46' cars (no. 300715) on the STMFC website which was part of the two-hundred car order built in August 1938 and numbered 300600-300799. Some cars cars of these series remained active until April 1988 having been re-numbered in 300900-300999 sereis.

Jonathan McConathy


Re: Naperville

Bill Welch
 

I would like to thank Gary & Denis and Jon Cagle for expanding the offerings available to those of us who enjoy building models in 1/87. Martin, Al, Steve, and Ted were/are never going to be able to do everything we all want, given the diversity of railroads we love and the lack of standard car building practices. My hat is off to all of them for being willing to do business in such a niche area where I am sure much of it is a labor of love.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Denis F. Blake" <dblake7@...> wrote:

We, WrightTRAK Railroad Models, would like to thank the Loftons for putting on another GREAT event. We would also like to thank them for the support of this meet over the many years that is has been going on.

We would also like to take a moment to thank all of those who stopped by our suite and our table over the course of the weekend to check out our new offerings, the M&O M53 boxcar and the new SAL lowside gon...Mandatory freight car content here....With continued support like what was show to us over the weekend you guys and the event can count on seeing us there for many more years...

Thanks.

Gary Wright
Denis Blake
The WrightTRAK Guys



New Owner for Naperville Prototype Meet

Rhbale@...
 

Martin Lofton, who previously expressed plans to retire as sponsor of the
annual Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meet, has announced that an agreement
has been reached with Joe D’Elia to take over the popular event held annually
at the Holiday Inn in Naperville, Illinois.
D’Elia, owner of A-Line, ProtoPower West and New Rail Models, has
considerable experience in managing events and has for many years been a
co-sponsor of the Western Prototype Modelers Meet held each year in Southern
California.
D’Elia told MRH he is committed to presenting the Naperville Meet with
few, if any, recognizable changes. By agreement with Martin Lofton, the
event will continue to be identified as the Sunshine Prototype Modelers Meet.
A contract has also been signed by D’Elia with the Naperville Holiday Inn
with the next meet scheduled for October 21 through 24, 2010. D’Elia said
that a web site now under development would indicate all pertinent details
of the meet including a list of the dates and hours of individual clinics.
Although Martin Lofton and his wife Tricia will no longer be involved in
managing future meets, they are expected to attend and promote Sunshine
products. Perhaps Martin will finally have time to present a clinic at the
popular event he launched eighteen years ago
Richard Bale, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine
www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com



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Re: Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 2, 2009, at 7:36 AM, jjgotrox wrote:

Tony,

It's been well established that the new Tangent AC&F gon is accurate
for SP's G-70-12 class, but are there any significant differences
between the G-70-12 and the -8 class?
Lee,
The bodies of the cars were identical. The G-70-8 cars built in 1951
were originally painted black with white stencils. Technically, the
Tangent model is actually more accurate for the G-70-8 because these
prototype cars came with U.S. Gypsum brake steps that the model
replicates nicely. The G-70-12 cars had Kerrigan brake steps, which
were a rectangular open grid similar to Apex Tri-Lok. In addition to
coverage of these SP gondola cars in Tony's book, RP CYC Vol. 19 has a
comprehensive 53-page article covering all prototype cars in which the
model was based (PRR G31B and other copies built by AC&F), including
similar riveted cars and others having steel floors.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Tangent G-70-12 for other classes

Lee Gautreaux
 

Tony,

It's been well established that the new Tangent AC&F gon is accurate for SP's G-70-12 class, but are there any significant differences between the G-70-12 and the -8 class? They appear to be identical designs with wood floors and drop ends. Also, I know that the G-70-16 class differs in steel floor vs. wood floor and the strapped ends. Are the any other differences that you can tell?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The Bayou Foamer
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: Speedwitch SR Gon Kit

Frank Greene
 

paulbizier wrote:
...Ted's directions don't make any truck recommendations. Do any of our "truck experts" have suggestions for appropriate trucks?

TIA,
Paul Bizier

The Southern diagram sheet for series 316250-316499 and 55000-55710 shows Scullen side frames, but the sheet for 55711-55960 says only "Cast Truck". Photos show spring planks. I used Accurail "Bettendorf" trucks, but I'm not a truck expert.

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: Current events

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Andy Carlson wrote:
I, as someone with an interest in Steam era freight cars and the Southern Pacific, am wondering if there is anything going on that might be of interest this weekend. Thanks in advance,
If you mean the SP Society's San Luis Obispo convention this weekend, we had 108 of the new Tangent SP gondolas (Class G-70-12) delivered, and they sold out in barely three hours. Superb models and precisely correct for the SP cars. The new WrightTRAK SP caboose, classes C-40-1 and C-40-3, was exhibited though not quite yet available for sale, and there was considerable interest in it, too. It's a beautiful kit.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SLSF XM 18050

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Gene wrote:

Can anyone confirm that the whole series that included SLSF XM 18050
was equipped with Ajax hand brakes?
Gene,
According to the Frisco diagram for 18050-18549, all 500 cars had Ajax
hand brakes.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for pointing out this interesting photo Steve. It had certainly travelled far! It is suprising how infrequently one sees a photo of a US railway boxcar spotted in an out-of-the way spot like Houston, although the fact it sits on the CNR main line may be the explanation. The pity is we can't tell if it is stopping here to load or unload, or just set off as bad order. I expect someone familiar with the trackage at Houston would have a better sense of what is going on.

My own informal studies of off-line cars in the Vancouver area from the 10's through 50's has led my to conclude that NYC boxcars may be statistically over-represented compared to other lines. I hope to have some time to look into it in more detail in the future. But my current impression from viewing yard photos is that the PRR is hardly evident - I may have two shots showing PRR boxcars here. The UP is almost non-existent - I have one shot prior to 1950. The B&O - I think I have reference info on two cars. But NYC, I've seen several cars. It's led me to wonder whether the NYC connection to the CPR via the TH&B (or some other connection) may have had an impact, but I don't know enough to go beyond formulating the question.

This is also an interesting find in light of comments on the Canadian Model Trains forum last week about the comparitive infrequency of US owned rolling stock in small town Canada during most of the steam era. Each photo of this type helps incrementally improve our sense of how things were....

Rob Kirkham
Surrey, B.C.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "steve l" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

On the CN main line in Houston, BC, summer 1950.--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=8556284&;id=37

Steve Lucas.


Re: 46 ft. Flatcars?

steve l <stevelucas3@...>
 

Claus--

The CPR had quite a few of the 46' cars. 800 straight-sided cars with a "fishbelly" underframe were built by Canadian Car and Foundry in 1937, series 300000 to 300799. Train Shed Cyclopedia #46 has a general arrangement drawing of these cars on page 197, and a photo of CP 300053 on page 203, fig. 189.

CN had 300 46' flat cars with "fishbelly" side sills built April/May, 1929, (Swain series C-1) in the 660200 to 660499 series.

CN also had 49 46' straight side sill flat cars built in August, 1937 to the CPR design that appears in the aforementioned Train Shed Cyclopedia. (Swain series D-1) were in the 660500-6660543 series, and (Swain series D-2) were in the 660544-660548 series. CN data is from a CN Lines Vol. 5/3 article by Stafford Swain. CN Lines Vol. 5/4 had an article by Stafford on modelling these cars.

Hope this helps,

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Ed and List Members,

Looking thru my TCS#46 (1931 CBC), I find photos of the following 45-46 foot flat cars:

CP (number not readable) (46 foot)
C&NW 42597 (46 foot)
IC 61078 (45 foot)
L&N 24560 (46 foot 9 1/4 in)

- Claus Schlund


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gene Green wrote:
Bruce,
Why did you feel a need to "correct" Steve? Steve didn't say it was surprising, just that it went far. In the message I read Steve didn't comment on the likelihood, frequency or possibility that a NYC box car was in British Columbia. My sense of distances has the distance between British Columbia and the nearest NYC tracks in the "far" category. All Steve said was "went far."
And Bruce said, "So what?" Are you objecting to the facts behind Bruce's response, Gene?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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