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Re: PRR Freighy Car Paint Mix

O Fenton Wells
 

Totally understand.  I dropped two etched tank car ladders(Sill steps) from a Southern Car and Foundry 3 dome tank car and I think by now they are in Mexico.  I then dropped a third and had to buy another brass etchings part from SC&F.  Thank goodness he had them.  My wife got me an apron to wear when using small parts but I forget to use it. Just say'in
Fenton

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:09 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 07:43 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
This morning while diligently looking for another lost part the plate magically appeared.
Proving once again that time travel is possible. The simple explanation is when you dropped the etching, it bounced into the future, and you just had to wait to catch up with it.

Dennis Storzek



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Re: PRR Freighy Car Paint Mix

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 07:43 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
This morning while diligently looking for another lost part the plate magically appeared.
Proving once again that time travel is possible. The simple explanation is when you dropped the etching, it bounced into the future, and you just had to wait to catch up with it.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)

Fred Swanson
 

I thought it meant shipped from that packing plant.
Fred Swanson 


Re: PRR Freighy Car Paint Mix

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bill,
 
Per Bruce Smith: “Scalecoat, 1930s - 4 parts Scalecoat Illinois Central Orange to 1 part Oxide Red.”
 
For comparison, he provided this too: “Scalecoat 1940s - 1 to 2 parts Scalecoat Illinois Central Orange to 1 part Oxide Red.”
 
Also per Greg Snook (but no era indicated): In Scalecoat paints, I use a 4:1 or 5:1 mix of oxide red and IC orange.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 10:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR Freighy Car Paint Mix
 
Had a nice surprise this morning.  Quite a while ba back I was working on a model of the Pnnsylvania X31c auto car.  Folks on this list were gracious and helpful in providing information on the chain tubes and brake component arrangement.
 
One of the details that I was adding was a set of etched trust plates.  I had acquired these years ago when someone made them available. While attaching them one flew poff into God Knows Where. The project sent o. the shelf.
 
This morning while diligently looking for another lost part the plate magically appeared. I would like to complete car this before there are any more mishaps.
 
I know this has been. covered before (many times). Searching the archives has proven to be above my skill level.  Could someone please  provide me with the formula for Scalecoat PRR freight car red.  This would be for the 1930 period before it became more orange.
 
Thanks for any help.
 
Bill Pardie
 
 
 
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PRR Freighy Car Paint Mix

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Had a nice surprise this morning.  Quite a while ba back I was working on a model of the Pnnsylvania X31c auto car.  Folks on this list were gracious and helpful in providing information on the chain tubes and brake component arrangement.

One of the details that I was adding was a set of etched trust plates.  I had acquired these years ago when someone made them available. While attaching them one flew poff into God Knows Where. The project sent o. the shelf.

This morning while diligently looking for another lost part the plate magically appeared. I would like to complete car this before there are any more mishaps.

I know this has been. covered before (many times). Searching the archives has proven to be above my skill level.  Could someone please  provide me with the formula for Scalecoat PRR freight car red.  This would be for the 1930 period before it became more orange.

Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie



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Re: inexpensive kit-bash

rdietrichson
 



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From: "Rene LaVoise"
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday August 11 2020 10:47:18AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

I recently finished the same kitbash using the an undec IM USRA gon as the starting point. The spiral ends available from Shapeways are a drop in replacement of the kits ends. Very easy conversion.

The car is waiting its trip through the paint shop and now have a question on what color would be correct for the late 1920s, Freight Car Red or Black?

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René LaVoise
Kirkwood, MO


Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)

Andy Carlson
 

Or, maybe the 1st "San Juaquin Valley" shipment of oranges, as their becoming commercial citrus growers came long after Southern California's.
-Andy Carson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 12:03:25 PM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)
A photo from the Tulare County Library:
I think the caption for this photo is seriously incorrect, as I cannot believe that no oranges were shipped from the San Joaquin Valley before 1946.

     I agree, Bob, but note that the TITLE of the photo is "first refrigerator car," not "first orange shipment." I think you are reading the expanded caption wrong.
     But of course SFRD 13000 is quite a long ways from the "first refrigerator car," unless perhapse they meant "first stainless steel refrigerator car."

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)
A photo from the Tulare County Library:
I think the caption for this photo is seriously incorrect, as I cannot believe that no oranges were shipped from the San Joaquin Valley before 1946.

     I agree, Bob, but note that the TITLE of the photo is "first refrigerator car," not "first orange shipment." I think you are reading the expanded caption wrong.
     But of course SFRD 13000 is quite a long ways from the "first refrigerator car," unless perhapse they meant "first stainless steel refrigerator car."

Tony Thompson




Re: inexpensive kit-bash

James Brewer
 

Chuck,

Thanks for the feed back; much appreciated.

Jim Brewer


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Chuck and Jim,
 
I'm glad this topic was raised and discussed a little.
 
In N scale, we have far fewer decal options available than HO. AFAIK the entire Tichy decal line is available in N, so this makes them a significant pool to draw upon for my future projects.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

Group:  Thanks for all the positive comments.

 

Jim Brewer asked:  How were the Tichy decals to work with?

 

I know that Tichy decals have been discussed previously on this list and some have said that they are too thick and hard to work with.  However, I have used Tichy decals for a number of projects when the kit does not come with decals or I want to letter for a different road.  I have found them to be easy to work with and they look fine to me on the finished models.  I use the same process as with other decal products.  Attached are a few photos of models for which I used Tichy decals.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SFRD 13000 - Stainless Steel Reefer (1946)

A photo from the Tulare County Library:

https://californiarevealed.org/islandora/object/cavpp%3A177995

I think the caption for this photo is seriously incorrect, as I cannot believe that no oranges were shipped from the San Joaquin Valley before 1946.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:16 AM, Robert Chapman wrote:
Several years ago at Naperville, Chad Boas offered these spiral dreadnaught ends for sale
These are most definitely NOT Dreadnaught, and have no association with the Standard Railway Equipment Co., owner of the Dreadnaught name. Near as I can tell this was a proprietary design developed by car builder Haskell & Barker. I base this on the fact that all three groups of cars known to have these ends were built by H&B, and the fact that there are detail drawings in the H&B files now at the Pullman Library beyond what was typical for vendor supplied ends.

Dennis Storzek


Re: a little help from the ACL experts

golden1014
 

Hi Claus, there is zero photographic evidence that any ACL USRA SS cars were painted with a monogram like that. The rest of the paint and lettering at first glance APO pears satisfactory. John Golden


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Tony Thompson
 

Chuck Cover wrote:

I know that Tichy decals have been discussed previously on this list and some have said that they are too thick and hard to work with.  However, I have used Tichy decals for a number of projects when the kit does not come with decals or I want to letter for a different road.  I have found them to be easy to work with and they look fine to me on the finished models.  I use the same process as with other decal products.  

   I would agree, Chuck. I have not found them objectionable, though I would prefer not to have the (minimal) 3-D aspect.

Tony Thompson




Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Bob Chapman
 

Chuck --

Nice work, and brings back a modeling memory. Several years ago at Naperville, Chad Boas offered these spiral dreadnaught ends for sale, and I couldn't pass them up. The carbody is InterMountain (for considerably more than Chuck's dollar!), with the result attached.  

Monon had some fun rolling stock....

Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Mont Switzer
 

Rene,

 

As far as I know those cars were painted freight car red like the old Floquil Boxcar Red.

 

It appears that a few cars were rebuilt after WWII for on-line quarry to mill service.  Those cars appear to be black.

 

Roster notes indicate all of these cars were off of the revenue roster by the end of 1949.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rene LaVoise
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

I recently finished the same kitbash using the an undec IM USRA gon as the starting point. The spiral ends available from Shapeways are a drop in replacement of the kits ends. Very easy conversion.

The car is waiting its trip through the paint shop and now have a question on what color would be correct for the late 1920s, Freight Car Red or Black?

--
René LaVoise
Kirkwood, MO


Re: a little help from the ACL experts

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 06:29 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
In this case, Bob Hundman ran a set of lettering diagrams with his USRA DS boxcar drawings in an early issue of Mainline Modeler...
Far, far in antiquity, before Photoshop, before scanners, heck, before digital imaging altogether good art for railroad heralds (logos, monograms) was really, really hard to come by. There was a printed sheet, much prized by decal makers and the like, that reproduced two or three dozen assorted railroad monograms put out by the AAR in some of their promotional literature. It was practically "camera ready art" as was the term in those days. The only problem was, they weren't the heralds used on the cars, but rather "cuts" of the art used on time tables. Some of them were quite close to the stencils used on various company's cars, while others were totally different. I recognize that ACL herald from that sheet, also ACL public time tables from the sixties.

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice build, Rene!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rene LaVoise
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] inexpensive kit-bash

 

I recently finished the same kitbash using the an undec IM USRA gon as the starting point. The spiral ends available from Shapeways are a drop in replacement of the kits ends. Very easy conversion.

The car is waiting its trip through the paint shop and now have a question on what color would be correct for the late 1920s, Freight Car Red or Black?

--
René LaVoise
Kirkwood, MO


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Chuck Cover
 

Group:  Thanks for all the positive comments.

 

Jim Brewer asked:  How were the Tichy decals to work with?

 

I know that Tichy decals have been discussed previously on this list and some have said that they are too thick and hard to work with.  However, I have used Tichy decals for a number of projects when the kit does not come with decals or I want to letter for a different road.  I have found them to be easy to work with and they look fine to me on the finished models.  I use the same process as with other decal products.  Attached are a few photos of models for which I used Tichy decals.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: inexpensive kit-bash

Paul Doggett
 

That’s an unusual cars Chuck it looks really good.
Paul Doggett   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 11 Aug 2020, at 15:25, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:

Very nice, Chuck!
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