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Re: Photo: Heinz Wagon On Flatcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
Thanks for the great images. It is a PRR flat, probably a PRR class FM flat. It rolls on archbar trucks.
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:41 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Heinz Wagon On Flatcar

Photo: Heinz Wagon On Flatcar

A 1911 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3AMSP57.B014.I02/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Description: "Along with the high quality of its products, H.J. Heinz Company was known for the elegance of its delivery service. Horse-drawn delivery wagons (likely white with green trimmings) carried boxes of Heinz goods, including mince meat, apple butter, and tomato relish. This type of delivery wagon (pictured here) was drawn by a pair of prize-winning draft horses favored by H.J. Heinz, an expert on horses. The company’s more than 200 horses, mostly pure Percherons, pulled the delivery wagons."

Too bad there is not more of the flatcar visible.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Chicago & Alton Gondola 20694 With Coal Load

David
 

One of 800 gondolas in series 20000-20799 built by Pressed Steel Car in 1900, the last 200 with drop doors.

David Thompson


Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 2010-2019

John H. Reinhardt
 

On 7/14/2020 3:44 PM, Nolan Hinshaw via groups.io wrote:
On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:53, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt@...> wrote:

I know it's been a while but I just got the 10-Year Archive 2010-2019 for my birthday and they arrived today. 
[has no problems with it]

I can't be bothered; on the other hand, I'd buy a boxed set of discs of the first 40 or 50 years of high-quality reproductions without batting the proverbial eye. I, too, have access to the digital archive and keep looking at stuff yea, even unto volume 1 issue 1 on occasion, and keep finding gems.

One part of me wishes I'd bought the original 1934-2009 DVD set, but then again those PDFs *WERE* encrypted and the only way to decode them was the app that came on the DVD.  Unfortunately, as a Mac user, that app only worked up until a certain version of MacOS (somewhere around 10.9 or 10.10 - 7 years ago) and they never updated it so it would be useless for me now.  I would also snap up an un-encrypted re-issue if they ever made it available.  But I am slowly doing a print to PDF of the online archive so at some point it won't really matter although I think the DVD results would be better.

-- 
John H. Reinhardt
  PRRT&HS  #8909
  C&O HS  #11530
  N-Trak   #7566 


Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 2010-2019

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:53, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org> wrote:

I know it's been a while but I just got the 10-Year Archive 2010-2019 for my birthday and they arrived today.
[has no problems with it]

I can't be bothered; on the other hand, I'd buy a boxed set of discs of the first 40 or 50 years of high-quality reproductions without batting the proverbial eye. I, too, have access to the digital archive and keep looking at stuff yea, even unto volume 1 issue 1 on occasion, and keep finding gems.


Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 2010-2019

John H. Reinhardt
 

On 5/5/2020 8:20 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I purchased the subject DVD with the intent of loading the database to my desktop and searching across issues for freight car data like I do with the 40 year MR archive. Unfortunately, neither seems possible, as the disk is copy protected, and the only search function is for each individual monthly issue open as a pdf file. Even more objectionable to me is that the archive comes on two DVDs, meaning one must physically change DVDs to view the entire archive. None of this was revealed prior to purchase. Caveat Emptor!!

 

Nelson Moyer

_._,_._,_

I know it's been a while but I just got the 10-Year Archive 2010-2019 for my birthday and they arrived today.  I use a Mac so I haven't looked at what happens on a Windows or even Linux system, but my disks are NOT copy protected. There is no DRM that I can find.  I copied the contents of the two DVD (about 13.8GB) to my Mac's hard drive and I can open any issue with Apple's Preview (Adobe Acrobat clone) with no problem.  The PDF files are hidden in an invisible "PDFs" folder but I copied them out to a visible folder and everything still worked.  There is a basic "index" PDF, one for each disk, which links to "page" PDF files for each year.  The page PDF has a picture of each issue that you click and the appropriate issue opens up.  There is a one-page "How to Use" PDF which explains the basics.

As mentioned there is no in-depth index though so you need some other sort of index to find what you want unless you want to scan each issue.

I have access to the online all encompassing archive and the few issues that I have looked at seem to be of slightly better quality than the issues I have printed to PDF from the online archive.

I wish they had included the GMR and MRP yearly issues instead of the "Special" issues, but that's just me.


Nelson, if you find that hidden "PDFs" folder you should be able to copy it to the hard drive on your computer.

-- 
John H. Reinhardt
  PRRT&HS  #8909
  C&O HS  #11530
  N-Trak   #7566 


Tangent General American 1952 Tank Car GATX Number

pennsylvania1954
 

I have one of these beautiful 8000 gal. models which is now an undec. Tangent says most of these cars had billboard schemes for their lessee operators, but not all. Can anyone point to a mid-50's photo of one of these cars in plain black with GATX reporting marks? Thanks!
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

Steve and Barb Hile
 


This is one of the ones I was referring to the other day.  A wooden car that had been rebuilt with a steel center sill from Bettendorf, but retaining truss rods for a wood framed double sheathed body, steel ends and doors.  Most served through WWII but disappeared rapidly after the war.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io"
Sent: Jul 14, 2020 12:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

A 1939 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809687/resource/

Click on the TIFF version to see the most details of the car and the grain elevator.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Chicago & Alton Gondola 20694 With Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Chicago & Alton Gondola 20694 With Coal Load

A circa 1900-1905 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/item/2016811460/

Use the Download box for larger versions of this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

A 1939 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809687/resource/

Click on the TIFF version to see the most details of the car and the grain elevator.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NP Boxcar 11760

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NP Boxcar 11760

A 1939 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809730/resource/

Click on the TIFF version to see the most details of the car.

Good view of radial car roof and "B" end with lever brake handle.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Erie 1937 AAR Boxcar – IMWX Upgrade #2

Michael Gross
 

Another nice build, Bob.  You're making good use of your Covid-19 isolation!!!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Erie 1937 AAR Boxcar – IMWX Upgrade #2

Bob Chapman
 

Brian Carlson asks:
Bob. I’m working on one of these. What paint color did you use?

Uh oh -- a COLOR question! First, let's skip all the usual prototype color disclaimers. Brian -- I'm not an Erie modeler, so went to sources for information. In 11/90 RMJ, Ed Hawkins recommended Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown for the 4/49 ACF #90500-91199 series (not a 1937 AAR). In the RPC Vol 3 "colors by road" table, A 50-50 mix of Floquil BCR and Oxide was suggested for Erie in the 40s. 1949 is near my era, and in the dinosaur cave here I had some Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown, so I went with it. The Erie guys are probably rolling their eyes, but I like it.

Regards,
Bob Chapman


Photo: Ballast Cleaning Train With PRR Hopper Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Ballast Cleaning Train With PRR Hopper Cars

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A200905.233.HF/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

This post corrects the comment that these car were receiving coal.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Garth and List Members,
 
If you closely examine the image you sent out to us all, one can easily see that the stake pockets near the center of the car have been modified for some specialized use - they look to be securing some kind of steel pivot plate or other loadbearing surface
 
So I'm not too bothered by the stake pocket count. It would not come as a great surprise to me if the stake pockets were modified for use with one or more specific loads, since this is such a very specialized car moving even more specialized loads
 
Trucks are also different between the two photos, having gone from arch bar to a more modern design
 
The overall profile of the car looks to be a dead on match, even down to the unique rectangular openings in the car frame at the body bolster locations.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Claus and Jim,

Thanks for your help with the P&LE flat car ID. One problem though. The 1941 car has only seven stake pockets, while the car in the earlier photo Jim presented has 12. A rebuild is a likely possibility. Or perhaps this is 6883 and it had a different number of stake pockets from 6884.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:48 PM pdnapp via groups.io <pdnapp=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Garth, I think this is the P&LE 30' flat in the background. 

There was an article about this car in the American Engineer and Railroad Journal 1905, page 324 (although for online scrolling purposes, it's page 344).
https://archive.org/details/americanengineer79newy/page/n343/mode/2up

James Dawkins


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Friends,

Did anyone else notice what appears to be a rather short P&LE flat car on the hill just above the gondola? I was able to pull the attached photo off the web site. Can't read the number.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:34 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: PRR Gondola 384661
A 1941 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Match and Strawboard Making

ron christensen
 

This is the first time I have heard strawboard, it makes sense that the Cherry paper mill in Tama, Iowa, was making that product .
 In the late 40 the school toured the plant. They had many bales of straw, and paper all to be mixed together in huge kettles.
At the time the paper product was made into the folding egg separators in wood egg cases.
The plant changed hands several times and is still inspiration today. I believe it is now Tama Paperboard.
Doing a bit of research it was know as a strawboard plant
See the history at
https://books.google.com/books?id=N1UiAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA3-PA14&lpg=RA3-PA14&dq=history+tama+Cherry+paper+mill&source=bl&ots=8xT6qUY1No&sig=ACfU3U022vs7rAs8vXHXznBo2_VTf-6huw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiq4uqD4szqAhVDVc0KHbSZAqAQ6AEwAXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=history%20tama%20Cherry%20paper%20mill&f=false
Probably too long to work I googled this   history tama Cherry paper mill
Ron Christensen


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Claus and Jim,

Thanks for your help with the P&LE flat car ID. One problem though. The 1941 car has only seven stake pockets, while the car in the earlier photo Jim presented has 12. A rebuild is a likely possibility. Or perhaps this is 6883 and it had a different number of stake pockets from 6884.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:48 PM pdnapp via groups.io <pdnapp=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Garth, I think this is the P&LE 30' flat in the background. 

There was an article about this car in the American Engineer and Railroad Journal 1905, page 324 (although for online scrolling purposes, it's page 344).
https://archive.org/details/americanengineer79newy/page/n343/mode/2up

James Dawkins


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Friends,

Did anyone else notice what appears to be a rather short P&LE flat car on the hill just above the gondola? I was able to pull the attached photo off the web site. Can't read the number.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:34 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: PRR Gondola 384661
A 1941 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP 50ft double door box cars some with Viking roofs questions

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Tim!  Great idea.

 

I think you can guess I am somewhat obsessed with these cars.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 8:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP 50ft double door box cars some with Viking roofs questions

 


Elwood I am under the impression these cars can be modeled with the Proto 2000 models with
replacement Viking roofs. That's what I did, anyway.

The D&TS photo appears to be a car painted in their "oxide red" scheme, not blue. All of the blue cars
I've seen are postwar box cars.

Oops, hah! I called you Elwood. Sorry Elden. :-D







On 7/13/2020 11:15 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Thanks again, Tim!  I think they are fascinating cars, and worthy of at least a resin kit, but auto and auto parts cars seem strangely of less interest.  Sunshine did a nice group of auto parts cars, but I expect this was a pattern-maker interest not general public.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 11:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP 50ft double door box cars some with Viking roofs questions

 


Elden, some of the them were sold to the D&TS


On 7/10/2020 10:49 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Group;

 

I have searched in vain for my copy of the MM issue in which Bob Hundman outlined the NKP all-steel 50-foot double door box cars, in two series, one of which had Viking roofs.

 

Does anyone on the list know much about these cars?  Were they built for automobile or auto parts service?  I know NKP had plants on-line.

 

They look unique in several ways.  Did some have racks?  Were some or all originally “Damage Free” cars, or did that come later?

 

Do you know anything about the cars that went to P&WV?  They appear to have stenciling that would indicate as assignment.  Any idea to whom?  See attached.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Elden Gatwood

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PLE 6889 HD flat was PRR Gondola 384661

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

Here’s a good photo of 6889 in that group of five. 

 

The wheel car is behind it.

 

What an incredibly cool car!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 6:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

 

Hi Garth,

 

Looking into my 12-1930 ORER, I see that P&LE has very few flat cars - in fact, this is all I could find:

 

P&LE 6883-6884  30ft length  150,000 lb  (2 cars total)
P&LE 6885-6889  36ft length  200,000 lb  (5 cars total)

 

If I strain my eyes, and use a little imagination, I could just about get myself to say that the number on the side of the flatcar image you send reads as "6884".

 

The image is dated 1941 (11 years later than my ORER), but it might be as simple as it's got to be one of these 7 cars, and 6884 just might be it! If this is so, you found one member of a two-car class - wow!

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:46 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

 

Friends,

 

Did anyone else notice what appears to be a rather short P&LE flat car on the hill just above the gondola? I was able to pull the attached photo off the web site. Can't read the number.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:34 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Intermountain HO Scale Roof Needed

Tim O'Connor
 


John, I have extra IMWX - Red Caboose roofs you can have.


On 7/12/2020 11:05 AM, golden1014 via groups.io wrote:
Hi Guys,

Does anyone have a spare roof for an Intermountain 1937 box car?  I'm rebuilding an old Sunshine war emergency car and am in need of a replacement roof.  The original part was too big, but after a few measurements a replacement from Intermountain--or Red Caboose I guess--will work.

If you've got something please let me know offline at Golden1014@....

Danke!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

pdnapp
 

Garth, I think this is the P&LE 30' flat in the background. 

There was an article about this car in the American Engineer and Railroad Journal 1905, page 324 (although for online scrolling purposes, it's page 344).

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Friends,

Did anyone else notice what appears to be a rather short P&LE flat car on the hill just above the gondola? I was able to pull the attached photo off the web site. Can't read the number.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:34 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: PRR Gondola 384661
A 1941 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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