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Re: Update on PrototypeRails 2010
SUVCWORR@...
Can't open the document, Mike. You posted a Word 2007 formatted document which is not backward compatible with early versions of Word. Anyone who has not shelled out the money for an upgrade to Office 2007 won't be able to read this.
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Rich Orr
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From: Mike Brock <brockm@brevard.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:19 pm Subject: [STMFC] Update on PrototypeRails 2010 I have placed the latest flyer including an update on the list of clinicians that will perform at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach next Jan. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/PR2010FlyerWDOct14.docx Mike Brock ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Update on PrototypeRails 2010
jerryglow2
I've spent more time trying to view this than building some of my models (slight exageration). How do we view it? Or better yet, why not just an Excel file like in the past?
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Jerry Glow
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Dennis Storzek
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Thanks, Richard. Force of habit, I guess. The first place I ran into these cars (well, the Class X variant with the underframe)the Gregg reprint of the 1906 Car Builder's Dictionary, lists them as 6000 gal., obviously just the nominal capacity. Sorry, I don't have these, so I can't help.They're not lost, just MIA. They'll turn up. Dennis
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 27, 2009, at 8:02 PM, <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So when would a car like this have been removed from service?Most surviving UTL Class V cars were retired in the 1930s, though some were put back into service during WW II and a few lasted into the early 1950s. In any case, most of the survivors were restricted to carrying "non-regulatory" commodities - i.e., liquids that wouldn't explode, burn, or corrode. Richard Hendrickson
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Update on PrototypeRails 2010
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
I have placed the latest flyer including an update on the list of clinicians that will perform at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach next Jan.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/PR2010FlyerWDOct14.docx Mike Brock
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Steve SANDIFER
So when would a car like this have been removed from service?
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From: Anthony Thompson To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wine Tank Cars Richard Hendrickson wrote: > Note that this car was built - and probably converted to a three > compartment car - before the 1917 tank car specs. were adopted by > the ARA. I'm sure this is true, but lest it become accepted that double rivet-row joints = post-1917 tank cars, I'd point out that the double riveting was recommended as early as 1904, and at least some buyers of tank cars did order their cars that way. The 1910 adoption of these various "Class II" MCB recommendations as standard provided that HEAD seams (the joining of the tank ends to the cylindrical body) SHOULD be double-riveted, but that was not yet required until 1917. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Note that this car was built - and probably converted to a three compartment car - before the 1917 tank car specs. were adopted by the ARA.I'm sure this is true, but lest it become accepted that double rivet-row joints = post-1917 tank cars, I'd point out that the double riveting was recommended as early as 1904, and at least some buyers of tank cars did order their cars that way. The 1910 adoption of these various "Class II" MCB recommendations as standard provided that HEAD seams (the joining of the tank ends to the cylindrical body) SHOULD be double-riveted, but that was not yet required until 1917. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Bituminous mystery car
PBowers
There is an old tank from a tank car at an abandoned plant in Owen Sound, ON Canada. Originally there were two but one was scrapped many years ago.
These cars in their last use was use to store bituminous (tar) by a local contractor. In the last years their has been lettering starting to appear though the silver paint and tar. While no number or id has appeared it appears that part of the wording on the left hand side includes "Bituminous." It looks like the same lettering is under the first so it is likely the lettering is from the days when it was in revenue service. So my question is, does any one know of a company that lettered their cars with bituminous on the left hand side. Writing is more of a written italic like style although letters appear as individual letters. http://www.uer.ca/locations/show.asp?locid=22114 and http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal.asp?picid=74497 show the tank car location. Peter Bowers --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091026-0, 26/10/2009 Tested on: 27/10/2009 5:16:34 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Thanks Richard. So that is an excellent spotting feature to
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recognize a pre-1917 multi-dome rebuild tank car! :-) Tim
At 10/27/2009 04:25 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:The majority of 3-dome tank car photos I have show twoNote that this car was built - and probably converted to a three
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 26, 2009, at 9:04 PM, soolinehistory wrote:
Richard,No guesswork necessary. It was definitely a 6,500 gal. Type V (the smallest of both the Type V and Type X cars were 6,500 gal., not 6,000 gal.). The internal diaphragms were even riveted into the tank at exactly the same place as the original rivet courses for the three section tank, so it would be a pretty easy conversion. How many such cars there were is another question, however. Certainly not many. I've never seen an in-service photo of one, though I do have one photo of a Type X converted to a two compartment car (with domes the same size but one compartment larger than the other). Sorry, I don't have these, so I can't help. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Wine Tank Cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
The majority of 3-dome tank car photos I have show twoNote that this car was built - and probably converted to a three compartment car - before the 1917 tank car specs. were adopted by the ARA. The intermediate rivet courses were in exactly the same location as they were on the original single dome tank, so the easy way to convert the car would have been to fit single diaphragms between the compartments at the point where the tank and bottom sheet were already drilled for rivets. Later conversions done in the 1920s and '30s had two diaphragms between each compartment with a small air space in between, as required by the more rigorous 1917 specs. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Missing links
lrkdbn
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LR King
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Re: missing links
lrkdbn
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car. LR King
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Re: Proto 2000 8K tanks cars - are arch bars possible?
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 26, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:
One additional point, the SUN OILS car on page 101 of Kaminski'sAt least through mid-1926, but changed to SUNX by 3/28. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Re Ventilated Boxcars
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Bill McCoywrote:
A friend of mine was a clerk for the RF&P in the tower at Potomac Yard. Droves of empty vent boxes came back south returing to the SAL and ACL at Richmond and were humped into the classification bowl. Jim noticed huge black clouds would come up when additional cars were humped into tracks with vent empties already in them.This fits exactly with what retired PFE people told me in interviews for the PFE book: the receivers of produce typically left all the spoiled or unsold produce right in the car, and even threw in the trash lying around on the platform, such as rotten fruit of a kind not even in the original cargo, along with dunnage, broken boxes, paper, etc. Obviously it was efficient trash service for them, as a switch crew would come soon and take it all away! Cleaning returning empties was therefore an important job with reefers. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re Ventilated Boxcars
A friend of mine was a clerk for the RF&P in the tower at Potomac Yard. Droves of empty vent boxes came back south returing to the SAL and ACL at Richmond and were humped into the classification bowl. Jim noticed huge black clouds would come up when additional cars were humped into tracks with vent empties already in them.
A clerk was sent to investigate and discovered they were clouds of fruit flies feasting on the broken and bad mellons left in the cars. They would fly up with each hard coupling. I hope no one at BLI reads this since this may be their next action toy. Bill McCoy Jax, FL. at
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Re: Skid and Cover Cars
water.kresse@...
Remind me next week after Naperville.
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From: "Elden J SAD Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:58:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars Thanks, Al! I have never seen a pic (or in person) one of those C&O cars, only the later Evans cars. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of water.kresse@comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:07 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars The C&O in the mid-50s converted regular C&O and PM 70-ton gondola cars into these. They reference the PRR skid system longitudinal shocks absorber springs in their experiments. They even made one with canvass covers. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@virginia.edu <mailto:ggg9y%40virginia.edu> > To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:37:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote: and such. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Skid and Cover Cars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks, Al! I have never seen a pic (or in person) one of those C&O cars,
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only the later Evans cars. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of water.kresse@comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:07 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars The C&O in the mid-50s converted regular C&O and PM 70-ton gondola cars into these. They reference the PRR skid system longitudinal shocks absorber springs in their experiments. They even made one with canvass covers. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@virginia.edu <mailto:ggg9y%40virginia.edu> > To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:37:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Skid and Cover Cars Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote: and such.
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New ART reefer available
asychis@...
Hi y'all,
The Amarillo Railroad Museum and the Missouri Pacific Historical Society are pleased to announce that the third run of ART ice reefers produced for us by InterMountain will be arriving in the next week. These are the 32000 series ART cars with the lap side horizontal rivet strip. We've done the 24000 series in the ART herald only scheme, and the 32000 series with Preco fans in the classic ART three herald scheme. These runs sold out quickly. The 33000 series represents original 24000 cars with Equipco air circulating fans. These are also in the classic three herald scheme that was used from 1950 to around 1958 when the colored heralds were replaced by black outline heralds (probably our next run). However, the scheme used on these cars lasted well into the 1960s era (albeit on somewhat weathered cars). We will have six numbers available on assembled cars, and kits with no numbers but a decal set included to number the cars as you prefer. Note, that the kits can also represent the 32000 series with no modification except the number. The Preco and Equipco fans used by ART were not visible although some 32000 series cars with Preco fans had a circular stencil noting that the cars were so equipped, or even a circular metal plate in place of the stencil where cars such as PFE R40-25s had an actual fan pulley cover. For prices, and information on ordering, check out the Amarillo Railroad Museum website (_www.amarillorailmuseum.com_ (http://www.amarillorailmuseum.com/) ). I expect the cars to be announced later this week on the website. This is an advanced notice,and we'll need time to sort and inventory the cars. MPHS and ARM members receive a 10% discount. Thanks, Jerry Michels Amarillo Railroad Museum
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Re: Missing Links-Resin
al_brown03
No ... the V-9 (SAL 28000-29249 and 89000-89899) and V-10 (SAL 79000-79999) ventilators were 36' double-sheathed wood cars. See Goolsby in Lines South, 1st/98, pp 22-25. Sunshine kit 21.23 models 40' steel express vents (SAL 700-754) converted from 1932 ARA box cars in class B-6. See Culotta's '32 ARA book, pp 194-205. The express vents weren't stencilled with a class of their own, and I don't know if they had one. Seaboard was less than manic about re-classifications.
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The V-9 and V-10 were different enough from other roads' vents that they would be bears to kit-bash. Resin kits would be most welcome! :-) Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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