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Tangent Scale Models

Paul Catapano
 

Can any of the "SPF"'s comment on the new PRR G31B gondola offer by Tangent?
 
http://tangentscalemodels.com/
 
Thank you in advance for your time.

Paul Catapano


Re: Missing links

Tim O'Connor
 

Armand

No one has done a mass production RTR USRA single sheathed box car.
Not that I think they should, but it's strange no one has done it.

A ridiculously desperately needed high quality car is the PRR X31
round roof cars. And the X32 as well. You know, something to go
with all those excellent Red Cabosoe X29's.

A good candidate for a one railroad car would be the SLSF single
sheathed cars, including the cars with replacement steel sheathing.
Those cars got around the country and lasted into the 1970's.

I gave up lobbying for the 1950's PC&F 40 foot plug door reefers.
No one seems interested in the later 1950's... but if anyone does
do it PLEASE do the ends correctly (no one ever has in plastic, resin
or brass) and make them available as separate parts (I need at least
20 pairs of replacement ends)

Tim O'Connor

At 10/23/2009 03:10 PM Friday, you wrote:
Elden,While there are many "missing links" some of the nominees are relatively rare or are examples of regional bias.I was hoping,as a group, we could come up with a list of cars represented by either large numbers or with more universal appeal..Armand Premo.


Re: 46 ft. Flatcars?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Ed and list members,

Bruce wrote:

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
One of the TSC reprints has a pic of a C&NW flat in this length.

- Claus Schlund


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:smithbf@auburn.edu]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:23 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 46 ft. Flatcars?


On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and
unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?
Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more
inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC 46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Well put, Tony!

Elden Gatwood

Bob, never attribute to coincidence what you can assign to careful planning
<g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history
Elden and Tony,
Trust me guys, I never seriously thought that it was a coincidence. Thanks to everyone who played a role in bringing this model to market.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Sorry Chet. Since Tangent announced they'd be at Naperville and you said
'line up in front of' I assumed you were talking about lining up in front of
their table at Naperville. "Assume" - always a bad thing to do.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Tim O'Connor
 

David, is the floor a separate part or is it cast with the body?

Awesome, I am extremely happy that TANGENT did this car and did
it right. Take that, TRAINMAN!

Tim O'Connor

Tangent Scale Models is pleased to announce our entry into the Steam-Diesel transition era modeling market with our stunning 52-6 welded 70-ton drop-end gondola car as produced by ACF, the third all-new model in our HO scale product line. First produced in 1948 for Pennsylvania Railroad as class G31, PRR alone purchased 11,600 welded cars of this body style in the G31/G31A/G31B/G35, serving the "Standard Railroad of the World" in every corner of North America in many customer applications. If you model somewhere in North America, you can use a PRR model; PRR had more of these gons than some railroads had cars! Besides PRR, other railroads also purchased these gondolas from ACF, and some former PRR cars were purchased second-hand by various railroads. Most of these gondolas were phased from revenue service during the 1990s.

The Tangent Scale Models prototype replica of the ACF-produced PRR G31B has never been produced in HO scale, making it a distinctive addition to any freight car fleet. And as typical of our products, we take the time to focus on execution of all the small details. We studied the prototype to accurately reproduce it with the following:

- Thoroughly-researched colors
- Exact fonts and lettering placement
- Scale-sized side tie-downs
- See through tie down holes
- Stand-off ladders
- Wire grab irons and coupler lift bars
- See-through brake platforms
- Interior detail
- Road-specific handbrakes applied to match production specifications
- Air hoses

The Tangent Scale Models gondola rides upon our well-executed new 70-ton ASF A-3 Ride-Control truck with free-rolling metal wheels. Our ready-to-operate replica is finished with coupler lift bars accompanying Kadee� scale couplers and sufficient hidden weights to ensure the model operates as good as it looks.

The model comes ready-to-run in three highly-accurate paint schemes, including:
- Pennsylvania Railroad G31B, original 1951 scheme PRR Freight Car Red, 24 road numbers available

- Southern Pacific G-70-12, original 1953 scheme SP Freight Car Red, 12 road numbers available

- Wabash, original 1951 scheme black, 6 road numbers

As always, we also offer undecorated kits, plus ready-to-run undecorated models.

Pricing for our new RTR gondolas is $28.95 each. See http://tangentscalemodels.com/acf70tongondolareplicas.aspx for a link to the new models!

All of these are available NOW on our website at www.tangentscalemodels.com or by ordering directly from us at 828-279-6106, or via your favorite dealer.

A supply of our new replicas will be available from the Southern Pacific Historical and Technical Society meet in San Luis Obispo CA on October 28 � November 1. They will also be available for purchase directly from Tangent Scale Models at the Sunshine Modelers Meet in Naperville IL, on October 29 � 31.

That wraps up our update for today! We thank you for continuing to support the little guys in our big industry!

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models
www.tangentscalemodels.com
tangentscalemodels@yahoo.com


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim, Larry Grubb arrived at Naperville with test shots of the new
Proto 2000 Greenville gondola only a short time after Martin had
produced resin kits for the very same car... So it's all in keeping
with tradition.

Tim O'Connor

At 10/23/2009 03:29 PM Friday, you wrote:
I'm not real sure asking Tangent to make UTLX & GATC tank cars in plastic
should be done at a Sunshine sponsored event where Sunshine UTLX & GATC tank
cars are offered.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

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Maybe David and Tangent Scale Models would be a good person to line
up in front of with our UTLX X-3 photos. We could bring some GATX
photos also.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

PRR did not specify, but received black trucks, when new, which wore off in a
matters of days, to bare steel. They were not repainted as either serviced
or rebuilt, so the color provided is good for 99% of their lives in service.
Was that what you asked for?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Green
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:30 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded
drop-end Gondola available now!!



I can't help but be curious about the correct truck colors. Does anyone have
advice?

Gary Green
Aptos, CA


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

Jim,

I never mentioned Naperville.

Chet French
Dixon, IL

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

I'm not real sure asking Tangent to make UTLX & GATC tank cars in plastic
should be done at a Sunshine sponsored event where Sunshine UTLX & GATC tank
cars are offered.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

--------------------------------
Maybe David and Tangent Scale Models would be a good person to line
up in front of with our UTLX X-3 photos. We could bring some GATX
photos also.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Gary Green <ggreen@...>
 

I can't help but be curious about the correct truck colors. Does anyone
have advice?

Gary Green
Aptos, CA


Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I'm not real sure asking Tangent to make UTLX & GATC tank cars in plastic
should be done at a Sunshine sponsored event where Sunshine UTLX & GATC tank
cars are offered.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

--------------------------------
Maybe David and Tangent Scale Models would be a good person to line
up in front of with our UTLX X-3 photos. We could bring some GATX
photos also.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: 46 ft. Flatcars?

Bruce Smith
 

On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Q1xamacarthur1 wrote:

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?
Ed,

First, you might try searching an ORER... that might be more inclusive than a CBC ;^)

Second (from Sunshine's all time kit list)

C&NW 46' flatcar 43001,45001 series
TC 46' flatcar 2701 series

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: Tangent Scale Models: NEW HO ACF 70-ton welded drop-end Gondola available now!!

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

All;

I have to say, this made my day...no, week!

I hope you all take a close look at this car. Dave has worked very hard on
this car, with the goal of producing the finest RTR PRR freight car ever done
in HO scale. I think you will also find the execution of each detail, and
the paint and lettering, to be something not seen in a gondola model before
this, in RTR or even plastic kit form.

While those modeling the PRR will need a number, those not modeling the PRR
should also highly consider at least one. They went everywhere, were very
numerous and popular with shippers. You Wabash and SP guys should also be
very happy!


One Wabash guy is happy to see them. The Wabash cars, 12600-12649
were built by AC&F's Berwick plant in September 1951. While my
modeling focus is the summer months of 1951, I'll definately have a
few of cars even though they might appear a few months before they were built. I think that most of the prototype police are close to
retirement age anyway.

Maybe David and Tangent Scale Models would be a good person to line
up in front of with our UTLX X-3 photos. We could bring some GATX
photos also.

The PRR and SP car also look as good as the Wabash car.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Missing links

David Sieber
 

Jim,

Agree; I'd love to see Sunshine Mini-Kits of their old Uni-Body offerings, and others as well. Beyond modification kits for BL or IM 10ft6in IH cars, they could also consider mod kits for IMWX/RC & IM 10ft IH ARR boxcars.

However, it's not unlikely that Martin would hesitate to scale down on these cars since he's already invested in masters, castings, et al, to issue many of them as full kits at full price. See 64.20-22 for PRR X29c & 64.35-35 for 29b; 64.23-34 for ATSF Bx-32,33,36 & 64.37-48 for Bx-28,31; 64.52-53 for Wabash; 64.75-77 for T&P 81000s; and 64.78-83 for A&WP, WofA, and GA - at least these, if not any other 10ft to 10ft6in IH 10-panel side boxcars I may have missed.

Additionally, for example, rather than full kits for the 1937 ARR oddities in 18.1-3, they could package just ends, roofs, doors and decals for the Erie 78000s (and the Naval Powder Factory cars) with Buckeye ends and Viking roofs, and for the C&O 5400s with Deco ends, Viking roofs, and Creco doors - plus expand to the rest of the C&O 4000-5400s with Viking roofs, but different ends and doors.

By issuing more cars as Mini-Kits, Sunshine could use decals already bought and on-hand, but cast only the unique parts instead of the entire car kit. Question is, would this make economic sense to the Loftons, given their investments so far in the full kits?

Submitted for your consideration,
Dave Sieber
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

This sounds like a reason for Martin to expand AND CATALOG more mini-kits.
In many cases he could also dispense with decals resulting in a minimum
investment for Sunshine. A few resin parts, a one page PDS/instruction
sheet, a plastic bag and a tag. Presto - he's offering the same type of
product available to armor & aircraft modelers. I'm going to mention it to
Martin at Naperville. All you other Napervillers should too.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

--------------------------------
The method of taking a BL body kit and mating it with resin parts suitable
for a particular road's car has been done by Sunshine in their Uni-body
series, but as I understand it, could not be continued due to the issue of
having to buy large numbers of kits for a speculative future market.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Missing links

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Eldon, if we get a positive response from Martin, developing a list of
suggestions for Mini-Kits to do is a good idea. In addition to what we want,
we should also include a contact person for each suggestion.

A place to start might be looking at Sunshine discontinued kits. If we could
suggest something that would include parts from an existing mold to be used
with an existing plastic kit, we might be one step closer. After all, some
Mini-Kits are the old Unibody kits without the C&BT body.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:42 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Missing links

Thanks, Jim! That is a great idea, and if you would, when it gets to the
point of discussing WHAT cars, we should take a poll and be prepared to then
discuss:

A) how many

B) what road(s)

C) what timeframe

D) what details would need to be created...

E) to mate with what kit

F) decal availability (they won't sell otherwise)

G) research and photo availability

What do you think?

Elden Gatwood


Re: Missing links

Armand Premo
 

Elden,While there are many "missing links" some of the nominees are relatively rare or are examples of regional bias.I was hoping,as a group, we could come up with a list of cars represented by either large numbers or with more universal appeal..Armand Premo.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Missing links


Thanks, Jim! That is a great idea, and if you would, when it gets to the
point of discussing WHAT cars, we should take a poll and be prepared to then
discuss:

A) how many

B) what road(s)

C) what timeframe

D) what details would need to be created...

E) to mate with what kit

F) decal availability (they won't sell otherwise)

G) research and photo availability

What do you think?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim &
Lisa Hayes
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:07 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Missing links

This sounds like a reason for Martin to expand AND CATALOG more mini-kits.
In many cases he could also dispense with decals resulting in a minimum
investment for Sunshine. A few resin parts, a one page PDS/instruction sheet,
a plastic bag and a tag. Presto - he's offering the same type of product
available to armor & aircraft modelers. I'm going to mention it to Martin at
Naperville. All you other Napervillers should too.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

--------------------------------
The method of taking a BL body kit and mating it with resin parts suitable
for a particular road's car has been done by Sunshine in their Uni-body
series, but as I understand it, could not be continued due to the issue of
having to buy large numbers of kits for a speculative future market.

Elden Gatwood






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Re: J&L 20K tank cars...later in life

mforsyth127
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

And, it may be added, zero evidence that any of them were ever
operated by anyone else, or ever used in any other service than that
for which they were built; we've been down this road before, at great
length. Good grief, guys, will you please give up trying to
rationalize the use of models of these cars in anything but the J&L
company service for which they were intended! Let's have no more
posts about these things cluttering up the list unless someone can
come up with some hard evidence that we don't already know about.
Sorry, Richard...

Was not trying to clutter anything...only looking for info. Was not aware of the exhaustive discussion that had already occured in reference to these cars; having been a memeber of this list for less than a year.

Matt Forsyth


46 ft. Flatcars?

Q1xamacarthur1 <Q1xaMacArthur1@...>
 

I have a question on 46 ft. flatcars, they seem to be a rare and unusual
size.

So far while looking in a 1940 CBC I found only two in that issue.
On page 205 has figure 194 a picture of L&N 24560 a fishbelly
sided flattop one built 6-30.

Figure 192 is a plan for a CP car with straight side sills.
With no picture I wonder what number series these were.

I am working on several models in S scale that are this length.

Anyone know of any other roads that used this size?

I know the B&O did not have any this size and the NYC diagram book has
none.
The PRR Flat car book has none also.
Edwin C. Kirstatter.
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Re: Missing links

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Jim! That is a great idea, and if you would, when it gets to the
point of discussing WHAT cars, we should take a poll and be prepared to then
discuss:

A) how many

B) what road(s)

C) what timeframe

D) what details would need to be created...

E) to mate with what kit

F) decal availability (they won't sell otherwise)

G) research and photo availability

What do you think?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim &
Lisa Hayes
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:07 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Missing links



This sounds like a reason for Martin to expand AND CATALOG more mini-kits.
In many cases he could also dispense with decals resulting in a minimum
investment for Sunshine. A few resin parts, a one page PDS/instruction sheet,
a plastic bag and a tag. Presto - he's offering the same type of product
available to armor & aircraft modelers. I'm going to mention it to Martin at
Naperville. All you other Napervillers should too.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

--------------------------------
The method of taking a BL body kit and mating it with resin parts suitable
for a particular road's car has been done by Sunshine in their Uni-body
series, but as I understand it, could not be continued due to the issue of
having to buy large numbers of kits for a speculative future market.

Elden Gatwood


Re: missing links

Brian Carlson
 

Which after reading you email again, realize you knew they were in resin, oops.
 Brian Carlson

--- On Fri, 10/23/09, Brian Carlson <prrk41361@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Brian Carlson <prrk41361@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] missing links
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 2:30 PM


 



Ed:
Those are the new Sunshine releases for this year.
Brian J. Carlson.

--- On Fri, 10/23/09, ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo. com>
Subject: [STMFC] missing links
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 2:15 PM

 

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