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Re: Wine Tank Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rod Miller wrote:
Directly behind the loco are at least two (the center two) wine tank cars. It isn't possible to see if the first car has additional domes. I suspect all four are a block of wine cars.
There were single-dome wine cars as well as multiple-dome cars.

If someone knows where I can find out more about wine transport by rail (beyond Jim Lancaster's Chateau
Martin site and what has been discussed here previously), I'd appreciate them letting me know.
Richard Hendrickson may want to chime in here--because I know he's preparing to give a clinic at Naperville ENTIRELY about wine tank cars, and a written version of it will be published in due course.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Oil Distributor and Wine Tank Cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

Found this in Eureka, Kansas. What is it?
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J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Rod Miller
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:10 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Oil Distributor and Wine Tank Cars


This photo on eBay

http://tinyurl.com/ygyqql9

has a couple of interesting aspects.

For Gordon who was asking about oil distributors, it
shows a portion of the Standard Oil distributor's
facility.

Directly behind the loco are at least two (the
center two) wine tank cars. The dome diameter on
the fourth car indicates wine - see

http://users.snowcrest.net/photobob/sj23.html

It isn't possible
to see if the first car has additional domes. I
suspect all four are a block of wine cars. If
someone knows where I can find out more about wine
transport by rail (beyond Jim Lancaster's Chateau
Martin site and what has been discussed here
previously), I'd appreciate them letting me know.

Rod


Re: CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon and related uses out of season

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob McCarthy wrote:
FGEX was created by the UP and SP to forward western produce east. Both railroads had ventilator cars, but moved to iced reefers starting on 1906 to move perishable cargo to the east coast.
All three "facts" cited here are wrong. UP and SP created PFE, not FGE; both had iced refrigerator cars long before 1906, and were using them, often in solid trains to the east, long before 1906.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Oil industry info sought

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Tony, thanks for the correction. As always I am continually learning, including learning what I thought I knew but did not.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Oil Distributor and Wine Tank Cars

W.R.Dixon
 

Rod Miller wrote:
This photo on eBay
http://tinyurl.com/ygyqql9
has a couple of interesting aspects.
For Gordon who was asking about oil distributors, it
shows a portion of the Standard Oil distributor's
facility.
Directly behind the loco are at least two (the
center two) wine tank cars. The dome diameter on
the fourth car indicates wine - see
The first car behind the tender looks to be a three dome car converted from a single dome car. Notice the large center dome and the two smaller domes flanking that.

The second car appears to be the same.

The third card is a six dome wine car.

The fourth car appears to be a single dome car of the same kinship as the first two cars.

Bill Dixon


Oil Distributor and Wine Tank Cars

Rod Miller
 

This photo on eBay

http://tinyurl.com/ygyqql9

has a couple of interesting aspects.

For Gordon who was asking about oil distributors, it
shows a portion of the Standard Oil distributor's
facility.

Directly behind the loco are at least two (the
center two) wine tank cars. The dome diameter on
the fourth car indicates wine - see

http://users.snowcrest.net/photobob/sj23.html

It isn't possible
to see if the first car has additional domes. I
suspect all four are a block of wine cars. If
someone knows where I can find out more about wine
transport by rail (beyond Jim Lancaster's Chateau
Martin site and what has been discussed here
previously), I'd appreciate them letting me know.

Rod


Re: Wanted: CofG ventilater kit

Jim King
 

Bill,



I produced 100 vent boxes with the new roof for the CGHS earlier this year.
They have sold well; not sure if Allen still has some but you can contact
him via the CGRHS web site. He's also close to selling out the pulpwood
racks I made last year . a very popular car.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>;


Re: Proto 2000 8K tanks cars - are arch bars possible?

Dean Payne
 

The only 10K type 21 car I have is SUN OILS! And... it's already built! (One of Life's Little Victories) I'll have to make the truck swap pronto! I'll also need to backdate to K brakes, so I'm not done yet... Then I can think about starting on the UTLX cars.
Thanks!

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Dean: Kaminski's ACF tank car book shows numerous ACF Type 21's on archbars.
One model that I know P2k did was SUN OILS. However, I believe the UTLX cars
were acquired second hand when UTLX purchased other fleets, later in life so
I don't know if they would still have had arch bars then. Heck the UTLX car
you have could actually be out of your era since you model pre-40. I am sure
Richard Hendrickson will have more information.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:02 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Proto 2000 8K tanks cars - are arch bars possible?





I have a couple of P2K tank cars (8,000 gallons) to build, and was thinking
they might be a good way to show off the Tahoe arch bar trucks, with
semi-scale wheels. These are in the UTLX 77,000-series, but they say "built
5-20", so I don't know whether they were built with arch bars or had cast
sideframe trucks. If not, would any other commonly available tank cars have
been delivered with arch bars? I model prior to the 1940 arch bar ban, of
course.

Dean Payne





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Re: Wanted: CofG ventilater kit

Paul Lyons
 

Bill,

I am positive. I got two from Alan the day he recieved them from Smokey Mountain back in August. My understanding is they only made 50, but I do not know that for a fact. No, neither of mine are for sale, sorry! I am looking for one of the Wegman ART reefers that I would trade for.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:34 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Wanted: CofG ventilater kit






Paul, are you certain CofG reran this kit. I have regularly checked
their website and just checked. There is nothing mentioned under
modeling in HO. There is an "S" scale with the as delivered roof.

Bill Welch


Re: Missing links

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Armand Premo wrote:

What did I get myself into? This thread has offered many
suggestions,but
there seems to be so many differing ideas as to just what is needed
that
coming to any degree of consensus seems next to impossible.
And you're surprised? Come on, Armand, what prototype modelers most
need varies all over the map according to the date and location they
model. The eastern RR guys foam at the mouth about hopper cars,
whereas the five hopper models I already have are about four more
than I really need. Lately we've had a thread about southeastern RR
ventilated box cars in watermelon service. Now, I'll grant that
those cars traveled widely in the off season when they were used as
XMs, so I can maybe justify having one, but definitely not with the
ventilator doors in place and a load of watermelons inside. Out
west, watermelons weren't an important crop and what there were of
them were usually shipped in stock cars.

I'm a strong supporter of Tangent Models because I think David is
making intelligent choices of prototypes and is raising the bar on
quality and accuracy, but I'm not going to buy one of his new gons
for the simple reason that the first of them were built about a year
too late for me to operate them on my 10/47 diorama. On the other
hand, as we've recently been discussing, many list members have
little justification for USRA box car and gondola models because
almost all of them had been retired or rebuilt by the 1950s.

No wonder consensus seems next to impossible.

And, having said that, I'll propose some prototypes that I think many
of us really do need. Certainly the UTLX X-3 and GATC Type 30 tank
cars that others have mentioned are high on the list for just about
everyone, as they were very numerous all over North America from the
1930s through the 1960s. How about postwar AAR steel box cars with
3/4 IDEs and 10'0" IH? Several major RRs owned bunches of these,
including NYC, B&O, C&O, NH, and SP. Personally, what I most want
are single sheathed box cars built before 1932, as these cars are
ubiquitous in the train and yard photos from the 1940s and '50s. The
problem is, there were hardly any two alike, so what's a manufacturer
of styrene models to do? Sure, a lot of them are available in resin,
but building the number of such cars I need from resin kits would
consume a lot of time an effort I'd rather devote to other things.
I'll support the idea of a good model of an MDT wood reefer, as
well. Personally, I only need one (if that) but they were very
common in the eastern half of the country throughout the steam and
transition eras and had, at various times, a wide variety of
different P/L schemes. I'd really like a good styrene model of a 6K
gal. HP chlorine tank car; unfortunately the Trix disaster poisoned
the well on that one. I think there's a good market for a 6K gal.
three compartment AC&F tank car, too, as there are many authentic P/L
schemes for those, including some colorful private owner versions for
the train set bozos.

Anyway, talk is cheap. What manufacturers need are not yet more
ideas for future projects but detailed drawings and extensive photo
and data coverage. Even being able to provide those is (as some of
us know all too well) no guarantee that something will come of it,
but without them the brightest idea in the world is a non-starter.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Ventilated Box Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Garth Groff wrote:
I'm surprised Tony hasn't taken you to task for this statement. I suspect that the Central Pacific/Southern Pacific was the largest operator of these cars. I haven't memorized the totals in Tony's SP boxcar book, but I am willing to bet their fleet was much larger than 2000. Of course, these were largely 19th century cars, but many were still going strong in the early years of the 20th.
Quite true, Garth, but when I read Bill's remark, I assumed he meant in more recent times. The CP/SP cars were "combination cars," with a pair of doors on each side, one for vent service, much like the more recent cars Bill was referring to. The biggest use of the "vent" application was for stock shipping, and large numbers of true stock cars were built at the beginning of the Common Standard era in 1895.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Wanted: CofG ventilater kit

Bill Welch
 

Paul, are you certain CofG reran this kit. I have regularly checked their website and just checked. There is nothing mentioned under modeling in HO. There is an "S" scale with the as delivered roof.

Bill Welch


Missing links

Armand Premo
 

What did I get myself into? This thread has offered many suggestions,but there seems to be so many differing ideas as to just what is needed that coming to any degree of consensus seems next to impossible.Any suggestions?Armand Premo


Re: CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service

Rich Yoder
 

Some one out there sells 1/4" scale watermellons.

I hope to find that source myself and use those for my upcoming ACL ventilated box car project in "O".

Watch for the anouncement in up coming magazines and on my web site.

Sincerely,

Rich Yoder

www.richyodermodels.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "proto48er" <atkott@swbell.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:11:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service

Guys -

In "O" scale, Lorell Joiner had an ACL watermellon car that was a styrene copy of my old All Nation car.  That wood kit was the first scale car I ever built - in 1959.  Al Boos, another member of Lorell's "Monday Night Mafia," used my model to make him a duplicate car.

Lorell used painted "Jelly Belly" jelly beans for "O" scale watermellons.  Do not do this!  Within a couple of years, bugs had eaten parts of the load in the car!  He should have put real mesh screen in the car door!

A.T. Kott


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Lee,
    I have used painted Navy beans as  watermelons in the past. From what
I've heard, the floor of a watermelon car was  covered with a heavy layer of
straw then the melons were loaded into the car,  supposedly with out further
straw.
    A CofG car very well could have come  into Clifton Forge.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad,
Virginia Division
 



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Re: CG Ventilated Box Cars - Watermellon Service

proto48er
 

Guys -

In "O" scale, Lorell Joiner had an ACL watermellon car that was a styrene copy of my old All Nation car. That wood kit was the first scale car I ever built - in 1959. Al Boos, another member of Lorell's "Monday Night Mafia," used my model to make him a duplicate car.

Lorell used painted "Jelly Belly" jelly beans for "O" scale watermellons. Do not do this! Within a couple of years, bugs had eaten parts of the load in the car! He should have put real mesh screen in the car door!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Lee,
I have used painted Navy beans as watermelons in the past. From what
I've heard, the floor of a watermelon car was covered with a heavy layer of
straw then the melons were loaded into the car, supposedly with out further
straw.
A CofG car very well could have come into Clifton Forge.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad,
Virginia Division


Re: Wanted: CofG ventilater kit

Paul Lyons
 

Bill,

The Cof G society recently re-ran this kit with hutchins roof. if Alan is going to be at Naperville he may still have some for sale.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, Ca

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 10:31 am
Subject: [STMFC] Wanted: CofG ventilater kit






Because the HO kit of the Central of Georgia ventilator had an Outside Metal Roof instead of the improved cars with the Hutchins like roof, I passed on buying one as I could not imagine how to create a Hutchins roof for the car. Now I have figured it out and the kits have disappeared. I am curious if anyones knows where there is a kit that needs a good home?

You can contact me offline at fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

Bill Welch


Re: Help needed - ATSF stock car paint scheme

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Peter,

I see that Andy has already responded to your inquiry. I just want to
second what Andy has stated. I too, model all of my ATSF stock cars
with roofs painted Mineral Brown.

I have just checked my slides of ATSF stock cars -- the meager amount
that I have -- and all the cars I have photographed have brown roofs.
Additionally, a review of the stock cars in ATSF COLOR GUIDE TO
FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT, Lloyd Stagner, Morning Sun Book,
1995, results in the finding that every stock car illustrated has (or
had) a brown roof. I add "or had" because on several the paint has
pealed off the galvanized roof material.

Happy modeling.

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:33 AM, peteraue wrote:

I am currently building a bunch of ATSF stock cars from Westerfield,
Sunshine and InterMountain kits as they would have looked in 1950. I
wonder about the color of the roof. Normal ATSF freight car roof
color 1931-1951 was Anti-Slip Black however Richard Hendrickson
wrote in his Santa Fe Painting & Lettering Guide: "The available
evidence indicates that this compound (Anti-Slip Black) was
inconsistently applied to stock cars, some of which had brown roofs!"
The color photo of the Sk-3 on the front cover of Ellington, Berry
and Marten's Stock Car Book shows a brown roof and galvanized
running boards so this was definitely the original paint scheme when
the car was rebuilt in 1947. I found no clear evidence of any black
roofs when I looked through the black & white pictures in the above
book, though I realize that this is a very questionable judgement.
I'd hate to paint the cars wrong so I would greatly appreciate
advise about the roof color of the following stock car classes in
1950:
SK-L/N/P/Q/R/S/T/U/Z Sk-2 and Sk-3

Peter Aue



Re: Wanted

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Joe,

Have you tried eBay? Or your local train show? These things are fairly common, and can usually be had for a reasonable price.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

Joseph Lofland wrote:
Dear List

I am looking for an HO Proto 2000 50 ft. double door box car , no end doors
non auto car.

Does anyone have one they are willing to part with?

Please contact me off list.

Joe Lofland
jjlofland@gmail.com
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Wanted

Joseph Lofland
 

Dear List

I am looking for an HO Proto 2000 50 ft. double door box car , no end doors
non auto car.

Does anyone have one they are willing to part with?

Please contact me off list.

Joe Lofland
jjlofland@gmail.com


Re: Ventilated Box Cars

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Bill,

I'm surprised Tony hasn't taken you to task for this statement. I suspect that the Central Pacific/Southern Pacific was the largest operator of these cars. I haven't memorized the totals in Tony's SP boxcar book, but I am willing to bet their fleet was much larger than 2000. Of course, these were largely 19th century cars, but many were still going strong in the early years of the 20th.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

lnbill wrote:

The L&N, CofG, SAL and ACL were the largest owners of Vents with about 2000 per fleet at their peak while the N&W, Southern, C&O, and C&WC were much much smaller fleets of 100 to 400 approximately.
Bill Welch

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