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Re: Decal artwork (Was: Athearn Blue Box kit usefulness)

proto48er
 

Schuyler -

I am also in that O.F. category! I still occasionally use a slide rule!

My last set of scale drawings (for the Yoder AC&F Type 7 tank cars - 6 different cars) were done 33.33% larger than 1/4" scale in ink on drafting paper. My intent was to have them shot down with a stat camera so that I would have a true 1/4" scale 8" X 10" negative for each sheet. However, all of the local drafting supply places have now disposed of their stat cameras, and the closest one was in a smaller town 70 miles away. (We are the 9th largest U.S. city.) Times they are a changin' - for the worse! I did use Rapidograph pens of varying width, but also used a compass from an old drafting set to make the circular cross sections. It has the split points that can be adjusted for varying line widths, loaded in the old fashion way with ink from a bottle. The good old days!

When drawing freight car scale plans, I can produce finished drawings with a Rapidograph pen much faster than someone using CAD. CAD, however, is superior for drawing things with symmetrical curvilinear form, like trucks - just no soul to the finished drawing!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I didn't think I qualified as an old F__t, but apparently so. I did the lettering for a custom run
of reefers for the ELHS using ink on mylar. All I had was oblique photos, and an accurate model
(for once). It was all mathematical proportion work, but it came out perfectly. The most
disturbing thing was, since I was doing this mostly far after midnight, when I inadvertently did the
calculations for the second N in LACKAWANNA in spite of having just done them for the >>first<< N,
and they didn't come out the same. Now, I was VERY tired, but I was being VERY careful with this
work, and wondered about that. The next night, when I was a tad more alert, I looked VERY carefully
at the photos, and was able to establish to my satisfaction that the stencil that the manufacturer,
PC&F, cut had Ns of different width. Not by much, about a quarter or 3/8", but that is a .004-005"
difference on the model. When the builder built a second series of cars a few years later, they
used the same stencil, with the same mismatched Ns.

These were the EL's 5000 series orange mechanical reefers bought for exclusive service shipping Cool
Whip. And that is out of this list's era.

SGL

Tony,

I will gladly accept the "old f__ts" title with honor. Sure beats the
alternative.


Re: Ambroid Vinegar Car Plans

CJ Riley
 

A good source for kit instructions is the NMRA Kalmbach Library. They maintain a large collection of instruction sheets.

CJ Riley

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, rdietrichson <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com> wrote:

From: rdietrichson <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Ambroid Vinegar Car Plans
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 4:15 AM






 





Good morning all,

Does anyone out there have the plan sheet for the Ambroid vinegar car that could send it to me. I recently acquired the kit, but alas there is no plan sheet.

Thank you,

Rick Dietrichson

Wilmington, NC

Rdietrichson@ ec.rr.com































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Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car

seaboard_1966
 

Can we soon expect Signature Press do to a book on WM Fireballs and their various applications with regard to freight cars?


Denis Blake
North Hamlet Shop, OH

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--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com> wrote:

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 3:08 PM












Somebody please telephone Tony Thompson and tell him that his email has been hijacked by a WM fan.



Regards,



-Jeff

I happen to know first hand that AWT has been on many enthusiastic railfan trips on the WM while it was still operating just as I, an admitted Fireball Fanatic has railfanned the SP.
CJ Riley

























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Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car

CJ Riley
 

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com> wrote:

From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 3:08 PM






 





Somebody please telephone Tony Thompson and tell him that his email has been hijacked by a WM fan.



Regards,



-Jeff

I happen to know first hand that AWT has been on many enthusiastic railfan trips on the WM while it was still operating just as I, an admitted Fireball Fanatic has railfanned the SP.
CJ Riley





















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Re: Missing Links

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

List,
 
          Pat Harris in Atlanta has started a group to address the modeler's most requested items to be sent to interested manufacturers. The group is;
www.HOMMAG@yahoogroups.com; it is inteded to be a forum that can be sent to the indiviual manufacturer for specific items. With this, we may resolve the "missing links" issues by bringing them to the attention of the right folks. Can't hurt to try.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:


From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Missing Links
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 11:32 AM


 



For those of us modeling RR's east of the Mississippi River, I
suggest the following in styrene.

The most numerous wood sheathed MDT reefer (I think it is classified
as the Type 4 by Roger Hinman)

The ubiquitous AAR standard offset hopper done in a way that permits
production of the various ends and sides.

The PRR K8 stock car with ends permitting the L&N and I believe ACL
versions (I have not unpacked all of my photo albums but I know at
least two railroads duplicated the Pennsy's Pratt truss stock car
side configuration)

InterMountain do the Insulated Tank for their ACF Type 27 Underframe.

Someone offer photo-etched dome platforms for the ACF Type 27 8K and
decals for the cars with these platforms.

I echo the desire for UTLX and GATC tank cars

Bill Welch















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Missing Links

Bill Welch
 

For those of us modeling RR's east of the Mississippi River, I suggest the following in styrene.

The most numerous wood sheathed MDT reefer (I think it is classified as the Type 4 by Roger Hinman)

The ubiquitous AAR standard offset hopper done in a way that permits production of the various ends and sides.

The PRR K8 stock car with ends permitting the L&N and I believe ACL versions (I have not unpacked all of my photo albums but I know at least two railroads duplicated the Pennsy's Pratt truss stock car side configuration)

InterMountain do the Insulated Tank for their ACF Type 27 Underframe.

Someone offer photo-etched dome platforms for the ACF Type 27 8K and decals for the cars with these platforms.

I echo the desire for UTLX and GATC tank cars

Bill Welch


Re: Missing links

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

Yes, Tony, a hopper car. A basic offset side two bay hopper with
optional ends to cover flat, full heap shields, and notched heap
shields. Separate grabs and ladders. AND priced for those of us
who need dozens of them. Think solid trains of L&N cars on PRR rails
headed for the Great Lakes, Pittsburg, etc. Other roads too,
of course. Some roads bought them in lots of 1000 and more.
I personally don't need quite the full thousand.
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Armand Premo wrote:
Folks,Isn't it about time that we submit a list of those cars
needed, but missing.
I assume, Armand, that you meant "create," not "submit" (unless
you're in touch with a Higher Authority in the hobby than i know
about). Here's what I'd say:
>
4. There is some kinda hopper car that people argue about all the
time, about which I know little and can't use anyway, but from all the
flames and smoke it must be needed by SOMEONE. <vbg>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car--Another Version

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Hey, Brian, I went to Syracuse. I stand by my remarks. Internet doesn't equal
civilization, you
know. Let us know when you get back to civilization!

SGL


Wow, I'd hate to think of where I live is called : )

I did find all the colored pencil brands suggested to me by list memebers here tho.

Time to make a shopping list for the Chicago hobby shops,

Clark Propst


Re: Missing links

mopacfirst
 

And the GATC covered hopper, either 2-bay or 3-bay.

Ron Merrick


Re: Missing links

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Armand,

My votes are for General American 46' GS gondolas, both D&RGW and WP variants (they had different gate mechanisms); AC&F 10K high walkway and low walkway tanks; and SP 40' flatcars. All these are echoes of what others have asked for.

We are finally going to get an affordable Gould-design caboose as used by the D&RGW, MP, WP, SN, CCT and TS. See http://www.lakejunctionmodels.com/ .

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

Armand Premo wrote:

Folks,Isn't it about time that we submit a list of those cars needed,but missing.There will likely be geographical differences,but let's see if there are any common cars that have yet to see the light of day.Armand Premo


Re: Missing links

Tim O'Connor
 

4. UTL X-3 (etc.) tank cars
Dave Sieber
Reno NV
Dave that tank car has been on the wish list for so long
I think we've all just given up on it... The usual reason
given is that it had only one owner and a boring paint
scheme. But then Intermountain did a Santa Fe stock car,
and Red Caboose did an SP stock car, and so on -- surely
the X-3 travelled on MOST class 1 railroads did it not?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Missing links

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony, a big ditto here!

I dearly would like to have several prewar SP flat cars. Good
examples would be something like the F-50-9 and F-50-13 which
were very distinct from each other and both classes lasted past
1960. SP used to run long cuts of empty flat cars back to Oregon.
I've seen it in photos and even in Hollywood movies!

Tim O'Connor

3. I make it no. 3 only out of humility: the Harriman flat car with
straight side sills, either the 40-foot or 50-foot version (if we had
forties, we could kitbash the fifty-footers).

Tony Thompson


Re: WM and all that

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
As for Tony wanting body style 3 to be WM. I am hoping it will be the D&H welded version.
Just to demonstrate that I'm not foolin' about the WM, I once kitbashed a WM channel-side hopper even though I don't haul an awful lot of West Virginia coal on my SP Coast Line layout. In fact, the car was shown in MR's "Paint Shop" back when they had that column. I gotta run the car as a kind of wandering transient, usually empty. <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car--Another Version

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Hey, Brian, I went to Syracuse. I stand by my remarks. Internet doesn't equal civilization, you
know. Let us know when you get back to civilization!

SGL

Gee Thanks SGL, but they do have the internet in Syracuse NY. They also have Dinosaur BBQ but that
is another story.
I gave Jim Harr my review for the ELHS Diamond as I mentioned previously. I don't have my file
here with me, I'll
post more information when I return home next week. As you said the biggest change is the
underframe. Many other
small changes depending on how much work you want to do.

As for Tony wanting body style 3 to be WM. I am hoping it will be the D&H welded version.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.




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Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car--Another Version

Brian Carlson
 

Gee Thanks SGL, but they do have the internet in Syracuse NY. They also have Dinosaur BBQ but that is another story. I gave Jim Harr my review for the ELHS Diamond as I mentioned previously. I don't have my file here with me, I'll post more information when I return home next week. As you said the biggest change is the underframe.  Many other small changes depending on how much work you want to do.
 
As for Tony wanting body style 3 to be WM. I am hoping it will be the D&H welded version.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

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Re: Ambroid Vinegar Car Plans

Kenneth Montero
 

Rick,

The Kalmbach Memorial Library at the National Model Railroad Association's headquarters in Chattanooga, Tennessee, has a collection of kit plans which they can copy and provide to you if that kit plan is in their collection The NMRA website is: www.nmra.org.

Ken Montero, NMRA Life Member

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From: "rdietrichson" <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:15:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Ambroid Vinegar Car Plans






Good morning all,
Does anyone out there have the plan sheet for the Ambroid vinegar car that could send it to me. I recently acquired the kit, but alas there is no plan sheet.
Thank you,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC
Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com




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Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car--Another Version

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Steve, I have this model in hand, and I believe it's really quite well done. The issue is that not
all Buckeye ends were exactly the same. Some seem to have ribs that are more crisply defined than
others. These are less so, more rounded, but are on the mark for the prototype end as shown in the
linked end photo off the Fallen Flags site someone else posted.

While the end is well done, the u'frame is a standard version for all these three, maybe soon to be
four, types. And the ERIE's u'frame isn't the same, with the reservoir, triple valve, and brake
cylinder all between the crossbearers either side of the door. Brian Carlson's really dug into the
research on these and written a review for the ELHS newsletter. Brian's traveling and I don't think
has access to the list, but perhaps he will have more to say when he returns to civilization.

SGL

I would like to see a better photo of the ends. They don't look so great to me. I made an Erie
Express Box a number of
years ago and had to scratchbuild these ends, and I think mine look much close to the original.

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 1932 ARA Box Car--Another Version

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no photos of these unfortunately.
eBay to the rescue!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-20000324-HO-1932-ARA-Boxcar-ERIE-76944-
1932_W0QQitemZ390108546982QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains <http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-20000324-
HO-1932-ARA-Boxcar-ERIE-76944-1932_W0QQitemZ390108546982QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains>

or

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Re: Decal artwork (Was: Athearn Blue Box kit usefulness)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I didn't think I qualified as an old F__t, but apparently so. I did the lettering for a custom run
of reefers for the ELHS using ink on mylar. All I had was oblique photos, and an accurate model
(for once). It was all mathematical proportion work, but it came out perfectly. The most
disturbing thing was, since I was doing this mostly far after midnight, when I inadvertently did the
calculations for the second N in LACKAWANNA in spite of having just done them for the >>first<< N,
and they didn't come out the same. Now, I was VERY tired, but I was being VERY careful with this
work, and wondered about that. The next night, when I was a tad more alert, I looked VERY carefully
at the photos, and was able to establish to my satisfaction that the stencil that the manufacturer,
PC&F, cut had Ns of different width. Not by much, about a quarter or 3/8", but that is a .004-005"
difference on the model. When the builder built a second series of cars a few years later, they
used the same stencil, with the same mismatched Ns.

These were the EL's 5000 series orange mechanical reefers bought for exclusive service shipping Cool
Whip. And that is out of this list's era.

SGL

Tony,

I will gladly accept the "old f__ts" title with honor. Sure beats the
alternative.

BTW... After using ink and ruling pens I graduated up the technology
scale to dry transfer lettering for decal masters.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Oct 21, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Jerry Glow wrote:
Illustrator and CorelDraw are closer to CAD than Photoshop as the
first three are all vector and the latter bitmapped.
Absolutely right, Jerry, but not necessarily relevant. What
counts is whether the final decals are sharp. Some of the old f__ts on
this list can probably remember when it was done oversize with India
ink. And I'm pretty sure that ain't a vector application.

Tony





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Re: New HO and N Scale Airslide Hopper Decals

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Dan

Oh sure, NOW you do them, after I already lettered my NKP
car with CDS set #295... Now I guess I'll have to compare that
one with your information. :-)

See you at Naperville!
Tim O'Connor

Thanks, Tim, for doing that. That is, of course, what cleared the way for Dan to do these. It
always happens that way.

SGL





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NYC wood running board replacement

mopacfirst
 

Was it common for NYC boxcars originally built with wood running boards to have them replaced with steel? I'm thinking specifically of the 159000-159999 and 161000-161999 cars, built 1944-45.
Photos I have seen appear to show solid (i.e. wood) running boards and no lowering of tackboards until well after the introduction of Century Green. Problem with trying to view r/b from the side or on the ground is that only the shadow really identifies this, and dark days or shady car end make it very difficult.

Ron Merrick

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